I found help for my DRY SKIN!!!!!

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I've had dry skin all of my adult life. My job required that I " dress up "

so, I wore pantyhose all day at work. At night when I would undress, my

legs would be scaley and flakes would fall off of my legs and be all over my

pantyhose. About 5 years ago, a lady told me about a lotion she used and

guaranteed me that if I used this lotion I wouldn't have a problem anymore.

AND SHE WAS RIGHT!! I started using it and even after having my pantyhose

on all day, my skin on my legs was like silk! Of course I used it all over

my body too. I loved it!! Then later on...when I lost my job, I couldn't

afford it anymore, so I just started using whatever was available and

cheap..which didn't work..but it was better than nothing!

A couple of years ago, I was diagnosed with HypoT and then my skin was

horrible. I started going to the tanning bed recently, which believe it or

not...made it even worse! It seems that I'd bought every lotion Wal-Mart

had, but nothing worked!! I remembered how my skin used to feel with the

lotion I used to use, so I started looking for info on the internet.

Finally, I found the number for the lady I used to buy it from in an old

address book I had. She no longer sells it, so she gave me the number to

the company so that I could order from them. Well...in order to do that

....I had to sell the product for them.....and buy into their company. But

that's okay..because I got my first order in today and already sold 1/2 of

what I purchased! The lotion is called Rose Marie Collection " Fluid Body

Veil " and comes in an 8 oz bottle. The price is $10, and I don't know yet

what shipping will cost, but if you want something that really works..this

is it. All of their products contain " oil of mink " . This stuff is

awesome!! If any of you have the same problem as I do, I will be taking

orders for my next shipment...and if any of you are interested, please email

me at mountnmansangel2@....

Thanks, Beaty

selenium and iodine interactions----

INTERACTIONS BETWEEN SELENIUM AND IODINE

April 27, 1999

This article was posted at www.ithyroid.com and we thank the author,

, for his excellent research. The article has since been taken

down, and we have been unable to reach the author to request his

permission, but we respectfully give credit to the source.

According to the manufacturer, Thyodine contains about 40 mcg.

(micrograms) of iodine per tablet. The manufacturer has now added 100

mcg. of selenium per tablet. Thyodine now contains a relatively

balanced amount of selenium and iodine. We recommend a total daily

intake of 200-400 mcg./day of selenium, depending upon body size.

Selenium and iodine are two minerals which are critically important

in the proper functioning of the thyroid. While the importance of

iodine has been known a long time, the importance of selenium has

only been discovered and explored since 1990. Much research is

presently being conducted on the functions of these two minerals in

thyroid function and it is becoming clear that there is an

interaction between the two. Iodine has a seemingly simple role in

the thyroid-it is incorporated into the thyroid hormone molecule.

A deficiency of iodine will cause hypothyroidism and if this is

severe and occurs during pregnancy, the offspring will be mentally

damaged and is called a cretin. Cretinism, or myxeodematous cretinism

as it is sometimes called, is not only caused by an iodine

deficiency, but is also influenced by a selenium deficiency. Iodine

apparently has just one function in the body-in the thyroid.

Selenium, on the other hand, performs many functions. At the

beginning of the 1990s it was discovered that the deiodinase enzymes

which convert T4 (thyroxin, the thyroid prohormone) into T3

(triiodothyronine, the cellularly active hormone) and also convert T3

into T2, thereby degrading it, are selenium enzymes (formed with the

amino acid cysteine). This discovery has led to a lot of research

studies on the effects of selenium, iodine, and their interactions.

Selenium also performs other important roles in the body. The most

important of these is probably as its role as the body's best

antioxidant (anti-peroxidant). It performs this role as part of

glutathione peroxidase (GSHPx or GPX). As part of GPX, selenium

prevents lipids and fats from being peroxidized (oxidized), which

literally means that it prevents fats from going rancid (this can be

seen on your skin as " age spots " or " liver spots " (autopsies show

that skin " liver spots " are accompanied by similar spots of

peroxidized fats in the liver.) Therefore selenium protects all of

the cellular membranes, which are made up of fats, from peroxidation.

Peroxidation of cellular membranes reduces the ability of the

membrane to pass nutrients including minerals and vitamins, so

selenium deficiency is the first step toward developing the many

problems caused by nutrient deficiencies.

Wallach considers a selenium deficiency combined with high

intake of vegetable oils (salad dressings, margarine, cooking oils)

as the " quickest route to a heart attack and cancer. " It seems that

the body uses a lot of selenium to protect the fats from

peroxidation. Polyunsaturated fats which are hydrogenated or heated

become the same as rancid fats and large amounts of selenium are then

needed to protect the body. Consumption of these dietary fats can

thus lead to a selenium deficiency.

Selenium is also essential for the production of estrogen

sulfotranserfase which is the enzyme which breaks down estrogen. A

deficiency of selenium can thus lead to excessive amounts of

estrogen, which may depress thyroid function, and also upset the

progesterone-estrogen balance.

Wallach also lists other effects of selenium deficiency: anemia (red

blood cell fragility), fatigue, muscular weakness, myalgia (muscle

pain), muscular dystrophy (white muscle disease in animals),

cardiomyopathy (sudden death in athletes), heart palpitations,

irregular heartbeat, liver cirrhosis, pancreatitis, Lou Gehrig's and

Parkinson's diseases (mercury toxicity), Alzheimer's Disease (high

intake of vegetable oil), sudden infant death syndrome (and

possibly " breathlessness " in adults, jj), cancer, multiple sclerosis,

and sickle cell anemia.

Selenium is essential for the production of testosterone. A

deficiency seems to be involved in osteoarthritis. I've found studies

linking selenium deficiency to alopecia (hair loss) and to

degeneration of the knee joint (seen in Kashin-Beck disease). Since

selenium is necessary to produce GPX which is a major detoxifier of

man-made and environmental toxins, selenium deficiency can lead to

chemical and drug sensitivities.

These are some of the non-thyroidal effects of selenium deficiency.

The effects of selenium deficiency on thyroidal health is even more

interesting. One study I read indicated that in experimental animals,

selenium deficiency will increase T3 in the heart. This may be the

reason that selenium deficiency causes heart palpitations and rapid

heart beat, which is common in thyroid disease.

While we've seen that selenium deficiency will interfere with T4 to

T3 conversion and lead to functional hypothyroidism (low T3

phenomenon), selenium plays another vital role in the thyroid as part

of GPX. During the production of thyroid hormone, hydrogen peroxide

(H2O2) is produced. H2O2 is important for the production of thyroid

hormone, but excessive amounts lead to high production of thyroxin

(T4) and also damage to the cells of the thyroid. GPX plays the

extremely vital role of degrading H2O2 and thereby limiting hormone

production and preventing damage to the thyroid cells. This seems to

be the main way in which selenium protects the thyroid from

sustaining damage which can lead ultimately to cancer.

Without selenium, the thyroid gland becomes damaged and it is through

this mechanism that the main selenium and iodine interactions are

found. An iodine deficiency will cause goiter, an enlargement of the

thyroid gland produced by the body in an attempt to increase hormone

production from limited amount of iodine. Selenium deficiency

increases the weight of the thyroid in experimental animals, and a

selenium deficiency combined with an iodine deficiency leads to a

further increase in thyroidal weight (bigger goiter). In African

countries like Zaire, there are areas where both iodine and selenium

are very scarce in the soil (these deficiencies seem to run parallel

in most areas). Consequently a high percentage of the people have

goiters and hypothyroidism. An experimental attempt was made to

correct the selenium deficiency and the result was that the

hypothyroidism was made WORSE in the hypos and it produced

hypothyroidism in some euthroid subjects. This was entirely

unexpected and the experimenters issued a warning about supplementing

with selenium (and not iodine) when both deficiencies exist

concurrently.

The body has a compensatory mechanism to maintain T3 levels when

iodine is deficient--it increases the production of the deiodinase

Type I enzyme (DI-I). This is not a small increase, but has been

shown in cattle to be an increase of 10-12 times. This increase in ID-

I increases the conversion of the existing T4 to T3 to maintain T3

levels, but also increases the conversion of T3 to T2 (the degraded

by-product of T3). Because of the iodine deficiency, T4 is not

replenished and T3 ultimately decreases from the lack of sufficient

T4 leading to a worsening of the hypothyroidism.

This result is made worse by another phenomenon which hasn't been

thoroughly studied: a selenium deficiency causes an iodine deficiency

to get worse. This may be a protective adaptation by the body to

limit the damage caused to the thyroid when selenium is deficient and

iodine is adequate. Let's examine this part of the interaction.

We've all heard that many doctors tell hypo patients, especially

those with Hashimoto's thyroiditis, not to take iodine because it can

aggravate their condition. The reason seems to be that selenium

protects the thyroid gland from oxidative damage and this damage can

increase significantly if iodine is supplemented. Taking iodine will

increase thyroid hormone production and the production of H2O2 which

damages the thyroidal cells. The lack of selenium prevents GPX from

being able to protect the cells from this oxidative damage. While I

doubt if most doctors realize why iodine should be restricted (it

certainly seemed counter-intuitive to me at first), they have learned

through experience that iodine can increase the thyroid damage in

Hashimoto's. The information that selenium should be supplemented

along with iodine is so new that most of them are unaware of it.

Here's what we have: Studies have shown that if iodine is low,

selenium must also be kept low to prevent the hypothyroidism from

becoming worse (from increased DI-I and T4 depletion, as explained

above.) So if both minerals are low, then the person is hypo and gets

a goiter, but the damage to the thyroid is kept to a minimum. More

severe problems happen when either selenium or iodine is high and the

other is low. If selenium is high and iodine low, then T4 to T3 to T2

conversion is accelerated without T4 being replenished, leading to a

worsening of the hypoT. If iodine is high and selenium is low, then

H2O2 is not degraded by GPX. Since H2O2 drives the thyroid hormone

production, then the thyroid over-produces thyroid hormone (Grave's

hyperthyroidism), the thyroid is damaged from the oxidation by the

H2O2, and the end result is that the damaged thyroid ultimately

decreases activity and hypothyroidism results (Hashimoto's

thyroiditis). This could explain the observed progression of Grave's

to Hashimoto's.

If a selenium deficiency causes an iodine deficiency, leaving you

both selenium and iodine deficient, and supplementing with either

selenium or iodine causes severe problems, then the only solution is

to supplement both selenium and iodine simultaneously and gradually.

Even then you could experience an immediate boost (from increased

conversion of T4 to T3) with a subsequent letdown (lack of T4

production because of insufficient iodine or other necessary

nutrient). You have to be prepared to ride out the tough times and

continue increasing the selenium and iodine until those two

deficiencies are corrected and the respective metabolic pathways are

back working properly.

Everything that I've read about selenium indicates that it is

absolutely essential for proper functioning of the thyroid. A

deficiency of selenium may lead to either hyperthyroidism or

hypothyroidism. I've always wondered if high intake of selenium can

lead to hyperthyroidism and finally found someone who did the

experiment. They found that a high intake of selenium will not

increase T4 production and lead to hyperthyroidism.

If a person has hyperT, then it looks like taking selenium without

iodine will result in a decrease in production of T4 (although there

may be an initial transient increase in T4 to T3 conversion and hence

higher T3). I would suggest to start with a small amount of selenium

methionine (about 50 mcg) and gradually increase it. I cannot see any

way that thyroid function can be normalized without selenium.

For hypos the important message is that a selenium deficiency may

cause an iodine deficiency, so that even though you are taking iodine

you may not be assimilating it unless selenium is also being taken.

This would explain how people can have iodine deficiencies even

though salt and many foods have iodine added. Supplement with both

iodine and selenium. I would recommend starting with 100 mcg of

selenium and one kelp tablet and gradually work up to 400-600 mcg of

selenium and 2-4 tablets of kelp. [Note from the Green Willow Tree:

Our research indicates that there is an upper safety limit of 400

mcg./day for selenium, and we do not recommend taking more than that

amount. Also, kelp is extremely high in iodine, which is good for the

short term. However, excess iodine consumption long term can actually

depress thyroid function. Dulse, bladderwrack, and Irish moss--the

seaweeds found in Thyodine--are safer, in our opinion, for long term

use.]

While I've found research on the interactions of iodine and selenium,

there are two other minerals which need to be studied for their

interactions with these two: zinc and copper. I found one study which

examined the complex interactions of selenium, iodine, and zinc

(there are interactions), but none which have looked at all four

minerals in a 4 X 4 factorial design. Now that would be an

interesting study! Hopefully someone will do that soon.

I think one lesson from studying the interactions of selenium and

iodine is that the interrelationships between minerals are very

complicated. Supplementing with one or two can cause further

problems. You have to make sure that you correct every deficiency.

Health is built from a chain of nutrients and, like a chain, health

cannot be accomplished if one nutrient is missing. Sometimes it's

complicated putting the chain back together without running into

problems (like supplementing with either selenium or iodine, but not

both), but every deficiency has to be corrected. --

The information in this article is for educational purposes only, and

is not intended as medical advice.

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argh! people like this annoy me. we just went through this, but you never

know if this person joined the group just to promote the product and is

spamming. also, you could tell me that a product from an elephant would

cure my fatigue and I wouldn't use it. why kill minks to have moist skin.

shame on you! sorry had to vent

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Subject: I found help for my DRY SKIN!!!!!

Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:35:44 -0500

I've had dry skin all of my adult life. My job required that I " dress up "

so, I wore pantyhose all day at work. At night when I would undress, my

legs would be scaley and flakes would fall off of my legs and be all over my

pantyhose. About 5 years ago, a lady told me about a lotion she used and

guaranteed me that if I used this lotion I wouldn't have a problem anymore.

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For your information I've been in this group for a while...and just started

selling this stuff. As for killing minks...to cure dry skin? What other

products do you use or eat that comes from a dead animal. Sorry...I had to

vent too. I did this to help people that spend money on worthless lotions

that don't work. I'm disabled and thought that just ..just I could make

enough money to help cover my medical bills. Sorry if I offended you.

Thanks

.

I found help for my DRY SKIN!!!!!

Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:35:44 -0500

I've had dry skin all of my adult life. My job required that I " dress up "

so, I wore pantyhose all day at work. At night when I would undress, my

legs would be scaley and flakes would fall off of my legs and be all over my

pantyhose. About 5 years ago, a lady told me about a lotion she used and

guaranteed me that if I used this lotion I wouldn't have a problem anymore.

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By the way...I don't know what " spamming " is... And I have found a cure

for my fatigue...been on it too weeks and I feel like a different person. I

don't sell it though. It's called Adrenal/Spleen Homeopathic Remedy...and

it's great!

I found help for my DRY SKIN!!!!!

Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 21:35:44 -0500

I've had dry skin all of my adult life. My job required that I " dress up "

so, I wore pantyhose all day at work. At night when I would undress, my

legs would be scaley and flakes would fall off of my legs and be all over my

pantyhose. About 5 years ago, a lady told me about a lotion she used and

guaranteed me that if I used this lotion I wouldn't have a problem anymore.

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[Guest guest]

you know karen has a big mouth, and really just need to shut it up, she is

not the web site police, if people want to try a product let them decide for

themselves, we are all grown women here and don't need a web police. just

venting