Guest guest Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 wrote: > >>It might also help to just temporarily > increase the T4. Good luck finding a doc that will go along with that.<< > Chuck, > What would increased T4 do to help? T4 is the precursor that is turned into the active form, T3. Estrogen causes the ratio of T3 and reverse-T3 to shift, but increasing T4 would increase them both, thus restoring the initial level of T3. This would also increase T2 and T1, all of which have some effect on TSH. I wonder whether the many instances reported here of hypothyroid symptoms combined with low or low-normal TSH might not be related to estrogen or estrogen like chemicals. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 Chuck wrote: >>I wonder whether the many instances reported here of hypothyroid symptoms combined with low or low-normal TSH might not be related to estrogen or estrogen like chemicals.<< This is from the women to women site: What triggers hypothyroidism? Thyroid dysfunction develops more often during pregnancy, perimenopause and menopause than at other times, suggesting that fluctuations in hormone levels act as triggers. Dr. Lee has long argued that an excess of estrogen combined with low progesterone - the " estrogen dominance " typical of early perimenopause - is also a major trigger. Strong synthetic estrogens, such as those in Premarin, may exacerbate estrogen dominance. Dr. Lee argues that curbing estrogen dominance prevents many problems in perimenopause, including hypothyroidism. Supplemental progesterone can offset estrogen dominance, but women taking prescription-strength estrogen will generally need prescription-strength progesterone as well. hmmmm! sounds like you are right according to Dr. Lee. ) > > From: Chuck Blatchley <cblatchl@...> > Date: 2004/02/26 Thu PM 03:16:24 EST > hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: Cycles and soy Chuck > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 , You wrote: > > ... hmmmm! sounds like you are right according to Dr. Lee. Maybe on the same page but slightly different situations. He's talking about relatively temporary conditions triggered by hormone fluctuations. My daughter had this right after her last baby was born. A nurse practitioner put her on Synthroid. About two weeks later her OBGYN took her off, saying it would correct itself in another week or so, in which case the Synthroid dose would become hazardous. He was right. These conditions are well indicated by elevated TSH readings. I was thinking of the subclinical ones, where the TSH is in the low normal or even hyper- range, but the patient still has pronounced hypothyroid symptoms. These are the ones where many docs do not want to prescribe more T4 or T4+T3, because they are afraid of pushing into the hyperthyroid range. Part of Dr. 's theory for subclinical conditions is based on inefficient conversion of T4 to T3, part of which has evidently been contradicted by clinical testing, the part about locking in the process. Yet, something must be going on. My thought was to look for estrogen or estrogen mimetics, which might be causing the T4 to end up more as R-T3 than T3. Chuck B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 this is of course if you don't have a conversion problem. Good point about estrogen--all the females hormones are called into question especially if you don't get your period at all and many have that problem as well. This is where you should look into the adrenals for they make the majority of the female hormones as well as testosterone which men need as well as woman --along with dhea!! tsh has that negative feedback loop that we talked about maybe 4 months ago---I'll have to find it again. tina > > > >>It might also help to just temporarily > > increase the T4. Good luck finding a doc that will go along with that.<< > > Chuck, > > What would increased T4 do to help? > > T4 is the precursor that is turned into the active form, T3. Estrogen > causes the ratio of T3 and reverse-T3 to shift, but increasing T4 would > increase them both, thus restoring the initial level of T3. This would > also increase T2 and T1, all of which have some effect on TSH. > > I wonder whether the many instances reported here of hypothyroid > symptoms combined with low or low-normal TSH might not be related to > estrogen or estrogen like chemicals. > > Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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