RE: Do thyroid meds always lower cholesterol?

[Guest guest]

For those of you who have bought into the propaganda about cholesterol...

y'all need to read this book ASAP - " Cholesterol Myths: Exposing the

Fallacy that Saturated Fat and High Cholesterol Cause Heart Disease " by

Uffe Ravnskov, M.D. Everything you think you know about cholesterol is not

true. Anyone with half an open mind and willing to think for themselves

REALLY needs to see the incredible information Dr. Ravnskov has written

here.

Here's a link to the book on Amazon so you can read more about it:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0967089700/qid=1117336204/sr=8-1/r\

ef=pd_csp_1/102-8092274-0252108?v=glance & s=books & n=507846

Do thyroid meds always lower cholesterol?

> What if your cholesterol is already where it should be?

[Guest guest]

I have read parts of that book, bought it for my MIL actually, and

have read several other articles about the " myths " of cholesterol from

various online sources including the Weston A. Price foundation.

My concern is that my cholesterol levels are going to be too *low*

after taking thyroid meds, because they are already pretty low as it

is.

Everything you think you know about cholesterol is not

> true. Anyone with half an open mind and willing to think for

themselves

> REALLY needs to see the incredible information Dr. Ravnskov has

written

> here.

[Guest guest]

I don't know about anybody else , but my cholesterol has not went down since I

started my synthroid. I still have to take vytorin.

Bev

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[Guest guest]

IMO You have to take a high dose Bev otherwise it won't change your

cholesterol.

Kerry

Re: Do thyroid meds always lower cholesterol?

I don't know about anybody else , but my cholesterol has not went down

since I started my synthroid. I still have to take vytorin.

Bev

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Kerry, I will give that some thought when I talk to my doc. again about

all my symptoms.

Bev

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

IMO You have to take a high dose Bev otherwise it won't change your

cholesterol.

Kerry

Re: Do thyroid meds always lower cholesterol?

I don't know about anybody else , but my cholesterol has not went down

since I started my synthroid. I still have to take vytorin.

Bev

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[Guest guest]

Kerry, I'm wondering how high of a dose of synthroid would it take to start

lowering cholesterol?

thanks

Bev

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

IMO You have to take a high dose Bev otherwise it won't change your

cholesterol.

Kerry

Re: Do thyroid meds always lower cholesterol?

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[Guest guest]

Hi Bev,

I don't know exactly what dose - that would be different for each person

- but for me my cholesterol went from well over the top of the range to

high normal in a month or two - during that time I had gone from 50mcg

of T4 alone (at this dose I felt truly disgusting) to 200mcg of T4 plus

60mcg of T3 - I did this gradually over the 8 week period - so when I

had my cholesterol tested I had probably only been on the top dose for a

few weeks.

My feeling is that enough hormone to make you feel better will also be

enough to lower the cholesterol - however this is only going to work if

your high cholesterol is thyroid related. I knew mine was due to

thyroid intuitively, because it just kept going up even though I had

made no change in my diet and I'm not obese (just a bit cuddly really

My doctor was very sceptical that there was a connection but my

experience proved it - of course I didn't change my diet during this

time period either.

IMO the whole cholesterol thing is a big fat (pardon the pun) scare

tactic.........there is lots of info online about this.

kerry

Re: Do thyroid meds always lower cholesterol?

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[Guest guest]

most people report that Armour lowers cholesterol, not too many say that

$ynthroid does. High cholesterol levels used to be the way that

hypothyroidism was diagnosed, before TSH. I don't imagine that your doc

even knows this.

Gracia

> Kerry, I'm wondering how high of a dose of synthroid would it take to

start lowering cholesterol?

> thanks

> Bev

>

> Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

> IMO You have to take a high dose Bev otherwise it won't change your

> cholesterol.

> Kerry

>

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[Guest guest]

HI Kerry,

Just curious, does very many of your family die of heart attacks? I really don't

know what to believe there is so much out there. I have family history of

deaths from heart attacks. My doc. said that's where my high cholesterol is

coming from and not from my thyroid. I questioned him about it. So, I really

don;t know, or know how to find out for sure. I can read the stuff in the

articals but the articals can't test me for whatever. I'm getting more & more

confused.

Bev

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

Hi Bev,

I don't know exactly what dose - that would be different for each person

- but for me my cholesterol went from well over the top of the range to

high normal in a month or two - during that time I had gone from 50mcg

of T4 alone (at this dose I felt truly disgusting) to 200mcg of T4 plus

60mcg of T3 - I did this gradually over the 8 week period - so when I

had my cholesterol tested I had probably only been on the top dose for a

few weeks.

My feeling is that enough hormone to make you feel better will also be

enough to lower the cholesterol - however this is only going to work if

your high cholesterol is thyroid related. I knew mine was due to

thyroid intuitively, because it just kept going up even though I had

made no change in my diet and I'm not obese (just a bit cuddly really

My doctor was very sceptical that there was a connection but my

experience proved it - of course I didn't change my diet during this

time period either.

IMO the whole cholesterol thing is a big fat (pardon the pun) scare

tactic.........there is lots of info online about this.

kerry

Re: Do thyroid meds always lower cholesterol?

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[Guest guest]

Hi Bev,

no I don't have a history of heart attack in my family. You have to

make up your own mind about it really - I know there are some good sites

which debunk the cholesterol relationship to heart disease tho - just

google on it. At the end of the day if you trust conventional medecine

then you won't wat to believe althernative views - I am not saying that

is a good or bad thing - its just how it tends to be. Fo me I am a risk

taking person so I am comfortable with the things I believe and try out

- but I know we are not all made the same. So I suggest you try to go

with your gut instinct - where you feel most comfortable.

The only way to tell for sure is to see if your chol comes down as you

increase your thyroid dose. By the way I didn't mean to imply that it

was necessarily only T4 which worked - I took a combo at the time.

Kerry

Re: Do thyroid meds always lower cholesterol?

[Guest guest]

Hi Bev,

I meant to ask something - in what way does you family have heart attack

history - is it obesity, stress smoking?

Kerry

RE: Do thyroid meds always lower cholesterol?

HI Kerry,

Just curious, does very many of your family die of heart attacks? I

really don't know what to believe there is so much out there. I have

family history of deaths from heart attacks. My doc. said that's where

my high cholesterol is coming from and not from my thyroid. I

questioned him about it. So, I really don;t know, or know how to find

out for sure. I can read the stuff in the articals but the articals

can't test me for whatever. I'm getting more & more confused.

Bev

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

Hi Bev,

I don't know exactly what dose - that would be different for each person

- but for me my cholesterol went from well over the top of the range to

high normal in a month or two - during that time I had gone from 50mcg

of T4 alone (at this dose I felt truly disgusting) to 200mcg of T4 plus

60mcg of T3 - I did this gradually over the 8 week period - so when I

had my cholesterol tested I had probably only been on the top dose for a

few weeks.

My feeling is that enough hormone to make you feel better will also be

enough to lower the cholesterol - however this is only going to work if

your high cholesterol is thyroid related. I knew mine was due to

thyroid intuitively, because it just kept going up even though I had

made no change in my diet and I'm not obese (just a bit cuddly really

My doctor was very sceptical that there was a connection but my

experience proved it - of course I didn't change my diet during this

time period either.

IMO the whole cholesterol thing is a big fat (pardon the pun) scare

tactic.........there is lots of info online about this.

[Guest guest]

Hi Bev,

I meant to ask something - in what way does you family have heart attack

history - is it obesity, stress smoking?

Kerry

RE: Do thyroid meds always lower cholesterol?

HI Kerry,

Just curious, does very many of your family die of heart attacks? I

really don't know what to believe there is so much out there. I have

family history of deaths from heart attacks. My doc. said that's where

my high cholesterol is coming from and not from my thyroid. I

questioned him about it. So, I really don;t know, or know how to find

out for sure. I can read the stuff in the articals but the articals

can't test me for whatever. I'm getting more & more confused.

Bev

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

Hi Bev,

I don't know exactly what dose - that would be different for each person

- but for me my cholesterol went from well over the top of the range to

high normal in a month or two - during that time I had gone from 50mcg

of T4 alone (at this dose I felt truly disgusting) to 200mcg of T4 plus

60mcg of T3 - I did this gradually over the 8 week period - so when I

had my cholesterol tested I had probably only been on the top dose for a

few weeks.

My feeling is that enough hormone to make you feel better will also be

enough to lower the cholesterol - however this is only going to work if

your high cholesterol is thyroid related. I knew mine was due to

thyroid intuitively, because it just kept going up even though I had

made no change in my diet and I'm not obese (just a bit cuddly really

My doctor was very sceptical that there was a connection but my

experience proved it - of course I didn't change my diet during this

time period either.

IMO the whole cholesterol thing is a big fat (pardon the pun) scare

tactic.........there is lots of info online about this.

[Guest guest]

Kerry,

My grandmother and her sister died of heart attacks they didn't smoke, my

grandma wasn't obese, so I don't know really. But they were both up in there

years, grandma was 86, my aunt about 90 or so, my dad 64, gr grandfather 70

something, so we don't die young really. I think it is vascular. grandma &

sister were a little sedentary later on in life.

Bev

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

Hi Bev,

I meant to ask something - in what way does you family have heart attack

history - is it obesity, stress smoking?

Kerry

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

So do you know for sure they had high cholesterol Bev?

RE: Do thyroid meds always lower cholesterol?

Kerry,

My grandmother and her sister died of heart attacks they didn't smoke,

my grandma wasn't obese, so I don't know really. But they were both up

in there years, grandma was 86, my aunt about 90 or so, my dad 64, gr

grandfather 70 something, so we don't die young really. I think it is

vascular. grandma & sister were a little sedentary later on in life.

Bev

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

Hi Bev,

I meant to ask something - in what way does you family have heart attack

history - is it obesity, stress smoking?

Kerry

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

So do you know for sure they had high cholesterol Bev?

RE: Do thyroid meds always lower cholesterol?

Kerry,

My grandmother and her sister died of heart attacks they didn't smoke,

my grandma wasn't obese, so I don't know really. But they were both up

in there years, grandma was 86, my aunt about 90 or so, my dad 64, gr

grandfather 70 something, so we don't die young really. I think it is

vascular. grandma & sister were a little sedentary later on in life.

Bev

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

Hi Bev,

I meant to ask something - in what way does you family have heart attack

history - is it obesity, stress smoking?

Kerry

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Bev, I'm not a doc but in my own experience, I was at

the hospital overnight in 1998 for atrial fibrilation

(per HypoT Dx). The ER doc did blood tests after blood

test because they couldn't believe that someone is

their thirties (then) would have the symptoms I was

experiencing. One of the blood tests did show

borderline HypoT and that's when the journey of HypoT

was started. I had to stay overnight at the hospital

with a slow drip to bring the heart back into a normal

rythm which eventualy took place at about 6am the next

morning. I don't know if it was the fear of what was

coming next if the heart had not gotten back into

normal sinus wave (the electrical paddles that you see

in the movies for victims of heart attacks) or if it

was the slow drip that worked.

Now, my dad has had multiple heart attacks, 3 strokes

and a heart replaced although the docs never Dx him as

having HypoT, and his dad died at 45 of a heart

attack.

Having said all this, I am told (by the docs I've been

with) that there is a correlation between heart

activity (such as in my case) and the thyroid function

in a way that if the thyroid is hypo then heart

symptoms may be experienced.

Now I don't eat meat or smoke or drink (which are all

things my dad and his dad have done), so my risk is

" lower " which doesn't mean my path has not been paved

already although I refuse to accept it, only to

acknowledge that it took place in my family tree.

I was on Toprol for a while to minimize the potential

of another atrial fibrilation taking place. I have

taken myself off of it for over 6 mos now and the

heart seems to agree. I'm also a BIG fan of Kefir and

coconut oil (coconut in general), both for their

healing properties. I have now also started going back

to eating more and more raw stuff mostly due to the

re-education of foods and their effects on the body

(something that I was a big fan of when I was an

Olympic hopeful bicycle racer back in 1993 and 1994).

Hopefully this helps, if not, my fingers feel warmer

now. lol.

Mike

--- bev <bdowns45681@...> wrote:

> HI Kerry,

> Just curious, does very many of your family die of

> heart attacks? I really don't know what to believe

> there is so much out there. I have family history

> of deaths from heart attacks. My doc. said that's

> where my high cholesterol is coming from and not

> from my thyroid. I questioned him about it. So, I

> really don;t know, or know how to find out for sure.

> I can read the stuff in the articals but the

> articals can't test me for whatever. I'm getting

> more & more confused.

> Bev

>

> Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

> Hi Bev,

> I don't know exactly what dose - that would be

> different for each person

> - but for me my cholesterol went from well over the

> top of the range to

> high normal in a month or two - during that time I

> had gone from 50mcg

> of T4 alone (at this dose I felt truly disgusting)

> to 200mcg of T4 plus

> 60mcg of T3 - I did this gradually over the 8 week

> period - so when I

> had my cholesterol tested I had probably only been

> on the top dose for a

> few weeks.

>

> My feeling is that enough hormone to make you feel

> better will also be

> enough to lower the cholesterol - however this is

> only going to work if

> your high cholesterol is thyroid related. I knew

> mine was due to

> thyroid intuitively, because it just kept going up

> even though I had

> made no change in my diet and I'm not obese (just a

> bit cuddly really

>

> My doctor was very sceptical that there was a

> connection but my

> experience proved it - of course I didn't change my

> diet during this

> time period either.

>

> IMO the whole cholesterol thing is a big fat (pardon

> the pun) scare

> tactic.........there is lots of info online about

> this.

> kerry

>

> Re: Do thyroid meds always

> lower cholesterol?

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not for sure about my father , I didn't know him very well, but the rest had

to take meds. for it. My mom did to before she died, but she didn't die from

heart attack, she had car accident.

Bev

Kerry Ann Faithfull <kerry@...> wrote:

So do you know for sure they had high cholesterol Bev?

RE: Do thyroid meds always lower cholesterol?

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[Guest guest]

Mike,

Since you don't eat meat and can't eat soy, where does your protein come from?

thanks

Bev

Mike <mikeroyusa@...> wrote:

Bev, I'm not a doc but in my own experience, I was at

the hospital overnight in 1998 for atrial fibrilation

(per HypoT Dx). The ER doc did blood tests after blood

test because they couldn't believe that someone is

their thirties (then) would have the symptoms I was

experiencing. One of the blood tests did show

borderline HypoT and that's when the journey of HypoT

was started. I had to stay overnight at the hospital

with a slow drip to bring the heart back into a normal

rythm which eventualy took place at about 6am the next

morning. I don't know if it was the fear of what was

coming next if the heart had not gotten back into

normal sinus wave (the electrical paddles that you see

in the movies for victims of heart attacks) or if it

was the slow drip that worked.

Now, my dad has had multiple heart attacks, 3 strokes

and a heart replaced although the docs never Dx him as

having HypoT, and his dad died at 45 of a heart

attack.

Having said all this, I am told (by the docs I've been

with) that there is a correlation between heart

activity (such as in my case) and the thyroid function

in a way that if the thyroid is hypo then heart

symptoms may be experienced.

Now I don't eat meat or smoke or drink (which are all

things my dad and his dad have done), so my risk is

" lower " which doesn't mean my path has not been paved

already although I refuse to accept it, only to

acknowledge that it took place in my family tree.

I was on Toprol for a while to minimize the potential

of another atrial fibrilation taking place. I have

taken myself off of it for over 6 mos now and the

heart seems to agree. I'm also a BIG fan of Kefir and

coconut oil (coconut in general), both for their

healing properties. I have now also started going back

to eating more and more raw stuff mostly due to the

re-education of foods and their effects on the body

(something that I was a big fan of when I was an

Olympic hopeful bicycle racer back in 1993 and 1994).

Hopefully this helps, if not, my fingers feel warmer

now. lol.

Mike

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[Guest guest]

Lately, it's coming from Fish, milk, kefir, yogurt,

etc.

--- bev <bdowns45681@...> wrote:

> Mike,

> Since you don't eat meat and can't eat soy, where

> does your protein come from?

> thanks

> Bev

>

> Mike <mikeroyusa@...> wrote:

> Bev, I'm not a doc but in my own experience, I was

> at

> the hospital overnight in 1998 for atrial

> fibrilation

> (per HypoT Dx). The ER doc did blood tests after

> blood

> test because they couldn't believe that someone is

> their thirties (then) would have the symptoms I was

> experiencing. One of the blood tests did show

> borderline HypoT and that's when the journey of

> HypoT

> was started. I had to stay overnight at the hospital

> with a slow drip to bring the heart back into a

> normal

> rythm which eventualy took place at about 6am the

> next

> morning. I don't know if it was the fear of what was

> coming next if the heart had not gotten back into

> normal sinus wave (the electrical paddles that you

> see

> in the movies for victims of heart attacks) or if it

> was the slow drip that worked.

>

> Now, my dad has had multiple heart attacks, 3

> strokes

> and a heart replaced although the docs never Dx him

> as

> having HypoT, and his dad died at 45 of a heart

> attack.

>

> Having said all this, I am told (by the docs I've

> been

> with) that there is a correlation between heart

> activity (such as in my case) and the thyroid

> function

> in a way that if the thyroid is hypo then heart

> symptoms may be experienced.

>

> Now I don't eat meat or smoke or drink (which are

> all

> things my dad and his dad have done), so my risk is

> " lower " which doesn't mean my path has not been

> paved

> already although I refuse to accept it, only to

> acknowledge that it took place in my family tree.

>

> I was on Toprol for a while to minimize the

> potential

> of another atrial fibrilation taking place. I have

> taken myself off of it for over 6 mos now and the

> heart seems to agree. I'm also a BIG fan of Kefir

> and

> coconut oil (coconut in general), both for their

> healing properties. I have now also started going

> back

> to eating more and more raw stuff mostly due to the

> re-education of foods and their effects on the body

> (something that I was a big fan of when I was an

> Olympic hopeful bicycle racer back in 1993 and

> 1994).

>

> Hopefully this helps, if not, my fingers feel warmer

> now. lol.

>

> Mike

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Mike, what is kefir??

Bev

Mike <mikeroyusa@...> wrote:

Lately, it's coming from Fish, milk, kefir, yogurt,

etc.

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[Guest guest]

Kefir is a wonderful drink made with milk and kefir

grains. Similar process to yogurt but with stronger

probiotics (that's the good stuff for your tummy).

Typically you let the grains sit in milk out on the

counter for 24 hours more or less, then remove the

grains and do it over again. Once the grains are

removed, I usualy add a banana and maple syrup (grade

. YUMMY!

--- bev <bdowns45681@...> wrote:

> Mike, what is kefir??

> Bev

>

> Mike <mikeroyusa@...> wrote:

> Lately, it's coming from Fish, milk, kefir, yogurt,

> etc.

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Mike, you said you was going to be in the olympics or something? What happened

that you couldn't?

Bev

Mike <mikeroyusa@...> wrote:

Kefir is a wonderful drink made with milk and kefir

grains. Similar process to yogurt but with stronger

probiotics (that's the good stuff for your tummy).

Typically you let the grains sit in milk out on the

counter for 24 hours more or less, then remove the

grains and do it over again. Once the grains are

removed, I usualy add a banana and maple syrup (grade

. YUMMY!

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Back went out at one of my 5 day stage races. Also

overall fatigue was starting to set in and I was

loosing my edge. I think that's when HypoT all started

out even though I was not Dx until 1998. Although by

reading 's Syndrom website, I'm thinking maybe

that's my boat. My temp range today was from 94 to 98

swinging back and forth all day. Weird. My hands

didn't warm up till 12pm and feet followed suit at

about 1p.

:0

--- bev <bdowns45681@...> wrote:

> Mike, you said you was going to be in the olympics

> or something? What happened that you couldn't?

> Bev

>

> Mike <mikeroyusa@...> wrote:

> Kefir is a wonderful drink made with milk and kefir

> grains. Similar process to yogurt but with stronger

> probiotics (that's the good stuff for your tummy).

> Typically you let the grains sit in milk out on the

> counter for 24 hours more or less, then remove the

> grains and do it over again. Once the grains are

> removed, I usualy add a banana and maple syrup

> (grade

> . YUMMY!

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Discover

> Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM &

> more. Check it out!

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Do you ride now or exercise?

Bev

Mike <mikeroyusa@...> wrote:

Back went out at one of my 5 day stage races. Also

overall fatigue was starting to set in and I was

loosing my edge. I think that's when HypoT all started

out even though I was not Dx until 1998. Although by

reading 's Syndrom website, I'm thinking maybe

that's my boat. My temp range today was from 94 to 98

swinging back and forth all day. Weird. My hands

didn't warm up till 12pm and feet followed suit at

about 1p.

:0

--- bev <bdowns45681@...> wrote:

> Mike, you said you was going to be in the olympics

> or something? What happened that you couldn't?

> Bev

>

> Mike <mikeroyusa@...> wrote:

> Kefir is a wonderful drink made with milk and kefir

> grains. Similar process to yogurt but with stronger

> probiotics (that's the good stuff for your tummy).

> Typically you let the grains sit in milk out on the

> counter for 24 hours more or less, then remove the

> grains and do it over again. Once the grains are

> removed, I usualy add a banana and maple syrup

> (grade

> . YUMMY!

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Discover

> Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM &

> more. Check it out!

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Don't have the energy. My soul used to miss it

tremendously. Every part of my life was all about

racing, racing, racing. Now I know the limitations of

my body and don't bother, sadly. That very thought

used to send me into some funks when first Dx. It was

a real bummer. To put it into perspective, my typical

training day would last about 6 to 10 hours daily, and

yes I would end up with more energy than I started

with. It an awesome " high " to be on all the time. For

athletes that have been there from a level of fitness

stanpoint, it is a real bummer when you know you'll

never be there again. Man all this racing talk is

depressing. lol.

--- bev <bdowns45681@...> wrote:

> Do you ride now or exercise?

> Bev

>

> Mike <mikeroyusa@...> wrote:

> Back went out at one of my 5 day stage races. Also

> overall fatigue was starting to set in and I was

> loosing my edge. I think that's when HypoT all

> started

> out even though I was not Dx until 1998. Although by

> reading 's Syndrom website, I'm thinking maybe

> that's my boat. My temp range today was from 94 to

> 98

> swinging back and forth all day. Weird. My hands

> didn't warm up till 12pm and feet followed suit at

> about 1p.

>

> :0

>

> --- bev <bdowns45681@...> wrote:

> > Mike, you said you was going to be in the olympics

> > or something? What happened that you couldn't?

> > Bev

> >

> > Mike <mikeroyusa@...> wrote:

> > Kefir is a wonderful drink made with milk and

> kefir

> > grains. Similar process to yogurt but with

> stronger

> > probiotics (that's the good stuff for your tummy).

> > Typically you let the grains sit in milk out on

> the

> > counter for 24 hours more or less, then remove the

> > grains and do it over again. Once the grains are

> > removed, I usualy add a banana and maple syrup

> > (grade

> > . YUMMY!

> >

> >

> >

> > ---------------------------------

> > Discover

> > Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM

> &

> > more. Check it out!

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

> __________________________________________________

>