RE: Re: Chronic Fatigue and Liver problems

[Guest guest]

i can't remember if i mentioned this in another context on this list, but

if you're having big liver problems, here's a suggestion: brew yourself

some nice, strong, burdock root and dandelion root tea and drink three to

four cups a day, every day. this is a great liver tonic, and it wil work on

your liver slowly, so that your body is not overburdened by the toxins

filtering out. if you're worried about any kind of fast-acting liver

cleaning protocol, then this is a good method to take. not to mention, the

two roots make a darned fine tea, really.

you should be able to find the roots at a local co-op, though if you can't,

they can be ordered online from reputable organic herb dealers like

rosemary's garden. because this is a root tea, you need to decoct it (which

is different than " steeping " a leaf tea): you toss a handful of the chopped

roots in a pan with a quart or two of water and boil the heck out of it for

15-20 minutes. it's fine to make a whole day's worth in the morning and

then drink it throughout the day. expect to feel steadily better over the

course of 2-3 months.

also, though i'm sure you're already doing this for the candida, the fewer

toxins you put into your system, the better it will be for your healing

liver. avoid sugar, grains, and alcohol, as well as foods with colorings,

preservatives, etc. try to only eat organic foods.

katja

At 03:17 PM 6/14/2004, you wrote:

>Baysfit - that was really helpful information. I have been diagnosed

>for 15 years with ME/CFS (which I know now is systemic

>candidiasis/gut dysbiosis). I too have always had terrible problems

>taking any antifungals due to the horrendous die-off. I have at

>times actually had liver function tests from the doctors that have

>given abnormal readings and my bilirubin levels always tend to be

>raised (Gilberts Syndrome). I note we share the same British

>nutritionist a White who is recommending this liver

>detoxification profile test you talked about, My concern is

>swallowing the paracetamol, asprin and coffee - it would be enough

>to finish me off (what with my liver being in such a state). Do you

>think it is possible to supplement the livers' detoxification

>pathways without doing the test and taking a broad spectrum

>nutritional supplement like Dr Cabots Livertone Plus or

>Xandria Liver Support? I believe these supplements contain

>some of the sulphur amino acids that you talk off that benefitted

>your liver. Any advice most appreciated. Thanks

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Baysfit and Ladywear18, I'm quite interested in hearing about your

liver issues. I had a bad case of CFS 15 years ago and my liver enzymes were

high then and they are high now. I'm sure this Candida is related although

back when I had the CFS I knew nothing about Candida. I have a different

medical doctor now and he told me not to take the anti-fungals because he

felt they'd depress my immune system (hard on the liver) and he's taking the

liver tests seriously enough that I'm getting a liver biopsy on July 1st.

I " ll let you know of course, what I discover. It sounds we all have a bit in

common besides the wretched Candida.

I've been snooping around the various liver sites -- still mildly interested

in the liver cleanse idea. I know people think it's drastic but it doesn't

sound too different about something I tend to do anyway. The

liver/gallbladder flush on Chang's www.sensiblehealth.com site has one

that sounds particularly sensitive. It's pretty much sea salt, olive oil and

lemon juice... sounds like one of my salads! I ordered some of her teas

because I've heard they're good to drink for a few weeks before...

I didn't say I'm doing one of these things -- I'm just mildly considering

it because it sounds like it might be the source of my particular problem.

Digestion is the least of my challenges now. My symptoms seem to emanating

from the liver...

~Robin

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From: ladywear18 [mailto:amanda@...]

Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 12:18 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Chronic Fatigue and Liver problems

Baysfit - that was really helpful information. I have been diagnosed

for 15 years with ME/CFS (which I know now is systemic

candidiasis/gut dysbiosis). I too have always had terrible problems

taking any antifungals due to the horrendous die-off. I have at

times actually had liver function tests from the doctors that have

given abnormal readings and my bilirubin levels always tend to be

raised (Gilberts Syndrome). I note we share the same British

nutritionist a White who is recommending this liver

detoxification profile test you talked about, My concern is

swallowing the paracetamol, asprin and coffee - it would be enough

to finish me off (what with my liver being in such a state). Do you

think it is possible to supplement the livers' detoxification

pathways without doing the test and taking a broad spectrum

nutritional supplement like Dr Cabots Livertone Plus or

Xandria Liver Support? I believe these supplements contain

some of the sulphur amino acids that you talk off that benefitted

your liver. Any advice most appreciated. Thanks

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bee! You said exactly what I needed to hear (as usual!): You said

that liver cleanses " can flood your body with a lot of toxins which can be

overwhelming at a time

when building up your nutrients and immune system are better for you. "

Those are the magic words I need to remember when I'm hearing all these

wonderful stories about how liver cleanses solved everyone's problems.

Thanks! ~Robin

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From: Bee [mailto:beewilder@...]

Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 7:18 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Chronic Fatigue and Liver problems

Dear Robin, Baysfit and Ladywear18,

I believe that liver cleanses do have their place in regaining

health. However, as you and I have discussed before Robin, some of

them are drastic. I did a much milder form of it when I thought I

had gall bladder problems about 7 years ago but I was healthy at the

time. It turned out I had a hiatus hernia that acted up because I

was moving apartments at the time.

Didn't one author recommend liver cleanses not be done except by

healthy people? Maybe I'm overly cautious, but I have to go back to

what was successful for me and for other people in my Candida Support

Group back in the 1980s. None of us did liver cleanses and we all

had liver problems. But we all overcame candida. The emphasis was

the " cave man diet, " nystatin, probiotics, some key supplements and

oils.

When my liver ached I would put a hot water bottle on it, do a coffee

enema (which gave me tremendous relief and is non-invasive), take

baths and drink teas (Pau D'Arco, clove, chamomile, peppermint, etc.).

I don't want to turn you off liver cleanses, however it can flood

your body with a lot of toxins which can be overwhelming at a time

when building up your nutrients and immune system are better for

you. If you consider them, I would take a step by step approach.

Start with the teas recommended by Katja, then do a few coffee enemas

4 days apart, then do a mild liver cleanse. The tea phase should

probably be at least a month.

The best to everyone,

Bee

> Dear Baysfit and Ladywear18, I'm quite interested in hearing about

your

> liver issues. I had a bad case of CFS 15 years ago and my liver

enzymes were

> high then and they are high now. I'm sure this Candida is related

although

> back when I had the CFS I knew nothing about Candida. I have a

different

> medical doctor now and he told me not to take the anti-fungals

because he

> felt they'd depress my immune system (hard on the liver) and he's

taking the

> liver tests seriously enough that I'm getting a liver biopsy on

July 1st.

> I " ll let you know of course, what I discover. It sounds we all have

a bit in

> common besides the wretched Candida.

>

> I've been snooping around the various liver sites -- still mildly

interested

> in the liver cleanse idea. I know people think it's drastic but it

doesn't

> sound too different about something I tend to do anyway. The

> liver/gallbladder flush on Chang's www.sensiblehealth.com

site has one

> that sounds particularly sensitive. It's pretty much sea salt,

olive oil and

> lemon juice... sounds like one of my salads! I ordered some of her

teas

> because I've heard they're good to drink for a few weeks before...

>

> I didn't say I'm doing one of these things -- I'm just mildly

considering

> it because it sounds like it might be the source of my particular

problem.

> Digestion is the least of my challenges now. My symptoms seem to

emanating

> from the liver...

> ~Robin

[Guest guest]

it's really true, robin!

that's why i opt for the tea, every time. it's gentle and slow. our culture

doesn't appreciate slow anymore, but our bodies still do!

At 12:57 AM 6/15/2004, you wrote:

>Thanks Bee! You said exactly what I needed to hear (as usual!): You said

>that liver cleanses " can flood your body with a lot of toxins which can be

>overwhelming at a time

>when building up your nutrients and immune system are better for you. "

>

>Those are the magic words I need to remember when I'm hearing all these

>wonderful stories about how liver cleanses solved everyone's problems.

>

>Thanks! ~Robin

>

>________________________________

>

>From: Bee [mailto:beewilder@...]

>Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 7:18 PM

>

>Subject: [ ] Re: Chronic Fatigue and Liver problems

>

>

>Dear Robin, Baysfit and Ladywear18,

>

>I believe that liver cleanses do have their place in regaining

>health. However, as you and I have discussed before Robin, some of

>them are drastic. I did a much milder form of it when I thought I

>had gall bladder problems about 7 years ago but I was healthy at the

>time. It turned out I had a hiatus hernia that acted up because I

>was moving apartments at the time.

>

>Didn't one author recommend liver cleanses not be done except by

>healthy people? Maybe I'm overly cautious, but I have to go back to

>what was successful for me and for other people in my Candida Support

>Group back in the 1980s. None of us did liver cleanses and we all

>had liver problems. But we all overcame candida. The emphasis was

>the " cave man diet, " nystatin, probiotics, some key supplements and

>oils.

>

>When my liver ached I would put a hot water bottle on it, do a coffee

>enema (which gave me tremendous relief and is non-invasive), take

>baths and drink teas (Pau D'Arco, clove, chamomile, peppermint, etc.).

>

>I don't want to turn you off liver cleanses, however it can flood

>your body with a lot of toxins which can be overwhelming at a time

>when building up your nutrients and immune system are better for

>you. If you consider them, I would take a step by step approach.

>Start with the teas recommended by Katja, then do a few coffee enemas

>4 days apart, then do a mild liver cleanse. The tea phase should

>probably be at least a month.

>

>The best to everyone,

>Bee

>

>

> > Dear Baysfit and Ladywear18, I'm quite interested in hearing about

>your

> > liver issues. I had a bad case of CFS 15 years ago and my liver

>enzymes were

> > high then and they are high now. I'm sure this Candida is related

>although

> > back when I had the CFS I knew nothing about Candida. I have a

>different

> > medical doctor now and he told me not to take the anti-fungals

>because he

> > felt they'd depress my immune system (hard on the liver) and he's

>taking the

> > liver tests seriously enough that I'm getting a liver biopsy on

>July 1st.

> > I " ll let you know of course, what I discover. It sounds we all have

>a bit in

> > common besides the wretched Candida.

> >

> > I've been snooping around the various liver sites -- still mildly

>interested

> > in the liver cleanse idea. I know people think it's drastic but it

>doesn't

> > sound too different about something I tend to do anyway. The

> > liver/gallbladder flush on Chang's www.sensiblehealth.com

>site has one

> > that sounds particularly sensitive. It's pretty much sea salt,

>olive oil and

> > lemon juice... sounds like one of my salads! I ordered some of her

>teas

> > because I've heard they're good to drink for a few weeks before...

> >

> > I didn't say I'm doing one of these things -- I'm just mildly

>considering

> > it because it sounds like it might be the source of my particular

>problem.

> > Digestion is the least of my challenges now. My symptoms seem to

>emanating

> > from the liver...

> > ~Robin

>

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