Re: Re: My story and the NHS

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In a message dated 7/19/00 12:40:34 AM, artemis.agency@... wrote:

<<I was misdiagnosed for 8 years. I had all the symptoms of candidiasis

and also hypoglycaemia (caused by candida upsetting my pancreas.) I was

ignorant about the two illnesses. The doc " treated " me for a nervous

illness which got increasingly severe. I was offered mind-altering

psychiatric drugs every time I went to see the docs. Every time I went

to the doc with any symptom at all they put it down to " stress " or

" nerves " , from overweight to headaches, from stomach upsets to mouth

ulcers, from eczema to depression, from haemorroids to trembling fits.

Then they offered me psychiatric drugs, which I refused. My refusal to

take the drugs meant I was treated as an awkward patient who would not

do as she was told. They just banged on for 8 years about my terrible

" nerves. " I was put on antibiotics in 95, 96, 97 and this February

2000. In the past I had taken the contraceptive pill, and for the last

17 years cortisone cream for the eczema. Eventually I accepted the

psychiatric drugs, as I was a nervous wreck by June 2000. The doc who

gave them to me stated to me " you have a chemical imbalance in your

brain. "

>>

******Lee, this is a typical story here in the US, too, because traditional

doctors don't " believe in " candidiasis. In fact, my GYN, not even a month

ago, told me that the only folks he had ever seen with systemic candidiasis

" were very sick and died " . I said, " Well, so am *I*, I'm just doing it

gradually " . But still, he said he " didn't believe in it " . I've been

treating with traditional doctors for at least 20 years, for " irritable

bowel " , and had not success at feeling better. About 6 or 7 years ago it got

dramatically worse, and I was in pain all time time, with secondary symptoms

(that could be seen in lab tests and through a " scope " ) caused by persistent

air in my ascending colon (for which my MD said, " Gee, Lynn.... there's always

air in your colon, but I have no idea why " . And still they treated the

symptoms, but not the problem. So now, *I* have figured it out, and *I* am

treating myself with good results. Still, my GYN doesn't " believe in it " ,

even tho I am getting better. Pretty hard-headed, wouldn't you say???

Anyhow, just wanted to let you know that this is not a problem you face

alone. There are MANY cases of MD's denial of this condition, and diagnosis

of " it's all in your head " .

Lynn

[Guest guest]

I've heard almost the same story from so many people that it's unbelievable.

I might have walked down the same path if I had been willing to take the

antidepressant drugs the doctors wanted me to. I said I wanted to research

them, first, before agreeing to take them, and they labeled me obsessive

compulsive, because they thought it was neurotic that I wanted to have

control over the treatment for my health problems, which they passed of as

primarily brain chemical imbalances. It has nothing to do with being

obsessed with control. It has to do with being intelligent enough to learn

things for myself, and not blindly follow the crowd as they leap off the

cliff of medical stupidity. But instead of recognizing that I'm an

intelligent person, they label me as being neurotic. Too bad they don't

realize how neurotic they're being. Still, it would be nice if all these

" neurotic " people would band together and force the medical industry to

recognize their stupidity. And I'm glad to see someone making an attempt. I

hope you accomplish something.

lindaj@...

[Guest guest]

Well I think it is absolutely incredible that so many mainstream doctors

- it must run into hundreds if not thousands, are denying the existence

of an illness suffered by millions and which gets better when treated as

though it were candidiasis.

Years ago they could not " see " cancer, before they had the technical

means, and it has all proved to be all to real.

I think, (and I am only a psychology Honours grad so what do I know!?!)

that the reason they don't want to admit it is that THEY CAUSE IT!

What do others think.

C'mon you lurkers lets have some input.

8>)

Lee

[Guest guest]

Thanks . I'd love to read your own story in full if you have it

available.

The more true-stories we amass between us the better. We could all then

use them to back up our own cases or as proof (if proof is needed). I

mean, if Lynn had been able to go to her MD with a sheaf of other

people's written experiences it might have made things easier for her.

Another thing: my boyfriend has persuaded me to upload my story onto

the Net, under an assumed name, (I would not want people who were

searching for me in my professional life to know all my personal

business.). At the top - to be picked up by Search Engines - will be

words such as " misdiagnosis - NHS - candida - thrush - depression -

anxiety - panic attacks " - so that anyone doing a search on any of those

words should be led to my story. I am only doing this in the hope that

other people will not have to go through eight years of increasing

illness, which almost ended in suicide, like I did.

I know I will have a fight on my hands next Wednsesday when I meet with

the Surgery Manager (ie my doc's boss.) I would love to show them

's story as well, and/or anyone else who would like to supply

theirs, because it seems sufferers are commonly misdiagnosed as needing

psychiatirc drugs although they live on different continents (I assume

you are in USA).

Rather than neurotic I think they labelled me as being like a naughty

child who refused to take her medicine and so would never get better.

I have a full version of my story it's 6 pages in MS Word. It was what I

wrote as the basis of my complaint to the NHS last week. If anyone

would care to read it I will email it direct to you on request. It is in

Word but I can paste it into an email if required.

Lee

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In a message dated 7/19/00 11:57:30 AM, artemis.agency@... wrote:

<<Well I think it is absolutely incredible that so many mainstream doctors

- it must run into hundreds if not thousands, are denying the existence

of an illness suffered by millions and which gets better when treated as

though it were candidiasis.

*****I think it runs to HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS!!! I'd have to say that I

know of almost NO traditional doctors who recognize this condition, and I am

a nurse who talks to doctors every day of my life! It's along the same lines

as the dentist who REFUSES to recognize that the mercury in your fillings is

JUST AS POISONOUS as the excess that (by EPA order) they have to dispose of

as hazardous waste.

I think, (and I am only a psychology Honours grad so what do I know!?!)

that the reason they don't want to admit it is that THEY CAUSE IT!

*****I'd have to agree with that. Lots of their meds (antbiotics being a

PRIME example) are responsible for candidiasis, including birth control

pills, steroids, stomach acid inhibitors (like Zantac, Pepcid, Axid, Tagamet,

Prilosec), MERCURY in your fillings, and others. I don't know if they are

jsut IGNORANT of the fact that their meds do this, or if they know, but

don't care. I recognize that if they " cure " us of our yeast-beast, there

will be fewer visits to the doctor, and their income will decrease.

Sometimes, when I am ultra cynical, I wonder if THAT adds to their denial of

Candidiasis.

All that I am CERTAIN of, is that the vast majority of them are of no help

whatsoever, even when you TELL them what is wrong with you. And that just

puzzles me totally!

Lynn>>

[Guest guest]

Lee; I am in the process of writing my medical journal on my experiences with

candida and have offered before if anyone wants their story told i am

accepting them for my book. i have a few now, a summary of your experience

would be great! there is no charge. my e-mail is mogdrmom@...

i need a signed paper giving me this permission, dated and what it's intent

is for.

i'm still going thru a lot, but it's been absolutely amazing what i've been

thru. i felt it needed to be told & that's what i'm doing. it's a slow

process but hopefully i can do this next year. talk to everyone later.

mogdrmom

[Guest guest]

Lynn and Mogdrmom

I only joined this list a couple of weeks ago so did not know about your

stories.

Lee

[Guest guest]

Finally someone said it! They (doctors and pharmaceutical

medicines) cause it and have a vested interest in you NOT

getting well. It is their livelihood. Big

business(corporations) " own " so much of our government that

it no longer works for citizens, only corporations. The FDA

is completely corrupted. If you are looking for something

approved by the FDA, you are wasting your time.

You have to be responsible for your own health and life and

that of your families.

We cannot afford to be lazy and expect someone else to

handle our problems. We must all try to eat healthier and

more organic, as long as we do not allow them to corrupt the

word " organic " which they are attempting to do. there are

easy ways on the internet to get in touch with you Senators

and Representatives, as well as your Governors and the White

House. There are groups to join and support. If we all do

not care enough to do something, we are doomed to eating

diseased animals and genetically engineered crops (which

insects and animals will not).

If you think that you cannot do anything, check this out and

then think about it:

Here is one 90 year old woman doing something about it.

http://www.grannyd.com/

Peace, and Joy,

Gloria

Re: Re: My story and the NHS

Well I think it is absolutely incredible that so many

mainstream doctors

- it must run into hundreds if not thousands, are denying

the existence

of an illness suffered by millions and which gets better

when treated as

though it were candidiasis.

Years ago they could not " see " cancer, before they had the

technical

means, and it has all proved to be all to real.

I think, (and I am only a psychology Honours grad so what do

I know!?!)

that the reason they don't want to admit it is that THEY

CAUSE IT!

What do others think.

C'mon you lurkers lets have some input.

8>)

Lee

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Lynn, you hit the nail on the head. They do not want to

cure Candidiasis, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, or a long

list of others, because it is their " bread and butter " .

They want to us to " keep coming back " . They are not going

to kill the " Goose who lays the Golden Eggs " , which is us

being sick!

We are not going to get help from them (doctors and the

medical profession).

We have to do it ourselves.

Gloria

Re: Re: Re: My story and the NHS

In a message dated 7/19/00 11:57:30 AM,

artemis.agency@... wrote:

<<Well I think it is absolutely incredible that so many

mainstream doctors

- it must run into hundreds if not thousands, are denying

the existence

of an illness suffered by millions and which gets better

when treated as

though it were candidiasis.

*****I think it runs to HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS!!! I'd have

to say that I

know of almost NO traditional doctors who recognize this

condition, and I am

a nurse who talks to doctors every day of my life! It's

along the same lines

as the dentist who REFUSES to recognize that the mercury in

your fillings is

JUST AS POISONOUS as the excess that (by EPA order) they

have to dispose of

as hazardous waste.

I think, (and I am only a psychology Honours grad so what do

I know!?!)

that the reason they don't want to admit it is that THEY

CAUSE IT!

*****I'd have to agree with that. Lots of their meds

(antbiotics being a

PRIME example) are responsible for candidiasis, including

birth control

pills, steroids, stomach acid inhibitors (like Zantac,

Pepcid, Axid, Tagamet,

Prilosec), MERCURY in your fillings, and others. I don't

know if they are

jsut IGNORANT of the fact that their meds do this, or if

they know, but

don't care. I recognize that if they " cure " us of our

yeast-beast, there

will be fewer visits to the doctor, and their income will

decrease.

Sometimes, when I am ultra cynical, I wonder if THAT adds to

their denial of

Candidiasis.

All that I am CERTAIN of, is that the vast majority of them

are of no help

whatsoever, even when you TELL them what is wrong with you.

And that just

puzzles me totally!

Lynn>>

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[Guest guest]

> They do not want to cure Candidiasis, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, or a long

> list of others, because it is their " bread and butter " . They want to us to

" keep coming

> back " . They are not going to kill the " Goose who lays the Golden Eggs " ,

which is us

> being sick!

I was diagnosed and cured by an alternative nutritional therapist in just three

appointments (compared with over 100 appointments with mainstream docs who

misdiagnosed).

On my last appointment I aksed if I might recommend her to people, if she was

not already

fully-booked up with patients. .She said jokingly: " the trouble with this

alternative

healing business is that, unlike doctors, I actually cure people and so they

never come

back of course. This means I am constantly having to advertise for new clients. "

Lee

[Guest guest]

Hi Lee

Can I ask what she did to cure you in 3 appointments. I am new to this group

and finding all this rather interesting. I have a problem with candida that

I need help with.

Sherry

>From: " artemis.agency@... " <artemis.agency@...>

>Reply-candidiasisegroups

>candidiasisegroups

>Subject: Re: Re: My story and the NHS

>Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:38:47 +0100

>

> > They do not want to cure Candidiasis, Chronic Fatigue, Fibromyalgia, or

>a long

> > list of others, because it is their " bread and butter " . They want to us

>to " keep coming

> > back " . They are not going to kill the " Goose who lays the Golden

>Eggs " , which is us

> > being sick!

>

>I was diagnosed and cured by an alternative nutritional therapist in just

>three

>appointments (compared with over 100 appointments with mainstream docs who

>misdiagnosed).

>

>On my last appointment I aksed if I might recommend her to people, if she

>was not already

>fully-booked up with patients. .She said jokingly: " the trouble with this

>alternative

>healing business is that, unlike doctors, I actually cure people and so

>they never come

>back of course. This means I am constantly having to advertise for new

>clients. "

>

>Lee

>

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sherry mccartney wrote:

> Hi Lee

> Can I ask what she did to cure you in 3 appointments. I am new to this group

> and finding all this rather interesting. I have a problem with candida that

> I need help with.

> Sherry

>

She simply put me on a diet and advised me to take vitamins and pancreatic

enzymes. She

also put her hands on me and concentrated, saying that she was " releasing

toxins " so there

appears to be a bit of magic mixed up with the nutrition.

We call her Beryl the Witch Doctor.

Lee

[Guest guest]

I've been told that doctors cannot give advice or prescribe any meds, etc.

that are not FDA approved. The pessimist in me wants to agree with Lynn -

that the doctors know about the causes and don't care. I find it hard to

believe they don't know, because this is a growing epidemic. The optimist in

me wants to believe that the doctors, upon licensing, sell their souls to the

FDA and are therefore restricted from talking about cures for candida (since

most are natural and/or because they know they caused it).

OK...note the sarcasm...

Personally, I think doctors know candida exists. It does mimic approx. 140

other illnesses. They probably assume candida as a last resort. I don't

know, because I never went to any ONE doctor 140 different times to find out

how long it takes to diagnose it.

I have considered suing just to bring attention to the issue, but I just want

to go on with my life. I am angry for the lost years I had. I don't want to

lose more tme in court battles. I am still seriously considering writing

letters to EVERY doctor I have been to in the past 10-15 years (if I can even

remember who they are) to let them know they misdiagnosed me as well as made

me worse by handing out anti-biotics every time they didn't know what was

wrong. I want them to know they should consider this illness in other

patients with these symptoms.

~

In a message dated 7/19/00 4:26:55 PM Central Daylight Time, lynga1@...

writes:

<< ****I'd have to agree with that. Lots of their meds (antbiotics being a

PRIME example) are responsible for candidiasis, including birth control

pills, steroids, stomach acid inhibitors (like Zantac, Pepcid, Axid,

Tagamet,

Prilosec), MERCURY in your fillings, and others. I don't know if they are

jsut IGNORANT of the fact that their meds do this, or if they know, but

don't care. I recognize that if they " cure " us of our yeast-beast, there

will be fewer visits to the doctor, and their income will decrease.

Sometimes, when I am ultra cynical, I wonder if THAT adds to their denial of

Candidiasis.

All that I am CERTAIN of, is that the vast majority of them are of no help

whatsoever, even when you TELL them what is wrong with you. And that just

puzzles me totally!

>>

[Guest guest]

I would like to read your story, Lee. If you could copy and past it in an

e-mail to me, that would be great. Or if no one minds, you can post it to

the list

By the way, how are you feeling? Do you still have die-off symptoms? Are

you getting better or worse? I just read something yesterday about Bentonite

Clay which may be a good alternative to colonics.

Thanks,

In a message dated 7/19/00 12:10:50 PM Central Daylight Time,

artemis.agency@... writes:

<<

I have a full version of my story it's 6 pages in MS Word. It was what I

wrote as the basis of my complaint to the NHS last week. If anyone

would care to read it I will email it direct to you on request. It is in

Word but I can paste it into an email if required.

>>

[Guest guest]

>

wrote

> The optimist in me wants to believe that the doctors, upon licensing, sell

their souls

> to the FDA and are therefore restricted from talking about cures for candida

(since most

> are natural and/or because they know they caused it).

We don't come under the FDA in England but the doc act jus the same.

I have got an offical hearing for my complaint against the doctor coming up.

Will she say

she is very sorry and has learned a lesson, or will she deny the existence of my

condition?

If hse denies it, I shall be collecting all your stories (I will not give out

your email

address just a first name to identify you with) and print them out and give them

to my doc.

Also taking the printouts of hundreds of candida websites plus the books I have

bought.

Lee

[Guest guest]

> I would like to read your story, Lee. If you could copy and past it in an

> e-mail to me, that would be great. Or if no one minds, you can post it to

> the list

I will post it on the list.

> By the way, how are you feeling? Do you still have die-off symptoms? Are

> you getting better or worse? I just read something yesterday about Bentonite

> Clay which may be a good alternative to colonics.

Thanks for asking .

I have today bought pysilldum (sp?) tablets to help with die off. I am also

taking fibre

tablets and plenty of water.

I feel fine very lively for several hours, then just fall asleep. As y'all know

I have this

guy staying with me, and I have just slept from 8pm to 1230am on the sofa in

front of the

tv (we were originally supposed to be watching a film!)

I just could not keep my eyes open, no matter how hard I tried.

Off to bed now.

Lee

[Guest guest]

Doctors cannot treat Candida because they would first have

to tell you to stop taking meds. All chemical meds upset

the balance of candida which is a natural part of the

bacteria in your intestines. Chemical meds kill off the

friendly bacteria, which keep candida under control.

Candida then goes crazy, growing all over the place, then

moves out of the intestines throughout the body and then

grows roots and becomes a parasite.

Doctors treat you with more meds that do not really help as

has been testified to by many on this list.

Gloria

Re: Re: My story and the NHS

I've been told that doctors cannot give advice or prescribe

any meds, etc.

that are not FDA approved. The pessimist in me wants to

agree with Lynn -

that the doctors know about the causes and don't care. I

find it hard to

believe they don't know, because this is a growing epidemic.

The optimist in

me wants to believe that the doctors, upon licensing, sell

their souls to the

FDA and are therefore restricted from talking about cures

for candida (since

most are natural and/or because they know they caused it).

OK...note the sarcasm...

Personally, I think doctors know candida exists. It does

mimic approx. 140

other illnesses. They probably assume candida as a last

resort. I don't

know, because I never went to any ONE doctor 140 different

times to find out

how long it takes to diagnose it.

I have considered suing just to bring attention to the

issue, but I just want

to go on with my life. I am angry for the lost years I had.

I don't want to

lose more tme in court battles. I am still seriously

considering writing

letters to EVERY doctor I have been to in the past 10-15

years (if I can even

remember who they are) to let them know they misdiagnosed me

as well as made

me worse by handing out anti-biotics every time they didn't

know what was

wrong. I want them to know they should consider this

illness in other

patients with these symptoms.

~

In a message dated 7/19/00 4:26:55 PM Central Daylight Time,

lynga1@...

writes:

<< ****I'd have to agree with that. Lots of their meds

(antbiotics being a

PRIME example) are responsible for candidiasis, including

birth control

pills, steroids, stomach acid inhibitors (like Zantac,

Pepcid, Axid,

Tagamet,

Prilosec), MERCURY in your fillings, and others. I don't

know if they are

jsut IGNORANT of the fact that their meds do this, or if

they know, but

don't care. I recognize that if they " cure " us of our

yeast-beast, there

will be fewer visits to the doctor, and their income will

decrease.

Sometimes, when I am ultra cynical, I wonder if THAT adds

to their denial of

Candidiasis.

All that I am CERTAIN of, is that the vast majority of

them are of no help

whatsoever, even when you TELL them what is wrong with you.

And that just

puzzles me totally!

>>

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[Guest guest]

> Doctors cannot treat Candida because they would first have

> to tell you to stop taking meds. All chemical meds upset

> the balance of candida which is a natural part of the

> bacteria in your intestines. Chemical meds kill off the

> friendly bacteria, which keep candida under control.

> Candida then goes crazy, growing all over the place, then

> moves out of the intestines throughout the body and then

> grows roots and becomes a parasite.

> Doctors treat you with more meds that do not really help as

> has been testified to by many on this list.

> Gloria

I totally agree with the above and it seems to become more clear to me every

day.

I went to my doctor this morning as a follow up to medication I took to kill

off H. pylori that came up positive in a blood test. Of course the candida

continued to grow after the two weeks of Amoxicillin was completed. And now

the candida is tougher. I decided to tell my doctor that I still believe

that I have candida fungus in my bowel. She gave me a predictable response.

I walked out with a prescription for Lotrimin to kill off hand fungus. I

felt like I had then just wasted my time, because I did.

[Guest guest]

Hi Lee

I would also like to see your story.

thanks

[Guest guest]

Lee

I've totally lost it / forgotten.. memory but what is our equivalent to the

FDA????

[Guest guest]

We have not got an FDA. I suppose it would be the Department of Health.

Where do you live?

Lee

[Guest guest]

Lee

Daa... how silly of me. I live in London

[Guest guest]

<<<I've totally lost it / forgotten.. memory but what is our equivalent to

the FDA????>>>

Department of Health?