New member

[Guest guest]

Thank you , I'll remember that about the cinamonn and the yogurt. My mom just shipped me the old yogurt maker we had when I was a kid, so that's a bonus! Homemade yogurt!

Healthy healing!

Meredith

[Guest guest]

Meredith - Alarm bells went off when you talked about having an "anti-fungal prescribed". I think if you stick around for awhile, you'll find most people here have gone the prescription anti-fungal route and failed miserably. The reason being that PAF's kill bacteria and fungus alike in your system, but the moment you stop the fungus takes over even worse than before. Also, there is some evidence that PAFs taken for too long will have adverse affects on the liver. (Well, actually all prescription meds are probably hard on the liver!!)

Anyway, there is a long list of "natural" antifungals you can use along with the anti-candida diet - and garlic is at the top of the list. Also, they'll have a lot of antifungal remedies at the health food store that you could try. But remember to take it easy with the antifungals - you could get "die off" if you go at it too agressively which could make you feel even worse.

And lastly, seeing a Naturopath would be a great idea - he could definitely steer you in the right direction. But always remember, when it comes to your health, you should steer your own ship and use supports like this group and your Naturopath only to make sure that you don't run into any big rocks, so to speak. Do what feels right for you - as we all say around here, listen to your body.

Good luck and good health.

Re: New member

Welcome Meredith.

Isn't it just the greatest moment when you finally find out what's really wrong! Even though you might still be feeling less than stellar, there's a light at the end of that tunnel.

[Guest guest]

Hi :

Welcome to the site - you'll find a lot of caring helpful people here - I

know I've learned a lot.

In regard to your Candida, you're definitely on the right track. I go to an

ND too - I don't necessarily agree with everything he's prescribes, but it's

nice to have someone to bounce things off as I do my own research. Read as

much as you can. And remember you are ultimately responsible for your own

health and listen to what your body is telling you.

To address the matter of the amalgam fillings, I'm going through the process

of trying to find a genuine " holistic " dentist since my mercury levels are

high. There is a school of thought that Candida is out of control for a

good reason - to help the body rid itself of toxins. In your case, too much

mercury in your system could very well be the reason the Candida is giving

you problems. Your ND can test you for metals if you ask him.

As to your question, can Candida be " cured " - Candida is commonly found in

the intestines but it causes problems when it proliferates. An anti-Candida

diet should lessen your symptoms. But, I'd get tested because if mercury is

a problem, you won't control the Candida long-term until you lessen that

toxin load on your body.

Good luck and good health - p

New Member

> Hello everyone

> I've just found this site.

> It would appear that I have candidiasis and have just started seeing

> a nutritionist and will be starting on a tailored diet and numerous

> supplements etc as from tomorrow.

> I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts were on amalgam

> fillings. I have a mouth full of them and it has been suggested to

> me several times that I have them replaced by a holistic dentist.

> Is this going to be money well spent???

> My knowledge of candidiasis is limited at the moment. I have only

> gleaned things from the web and everything is so conflicting. I

> went to the nutritionist because I'm the sort of person who has to

> be told what to do otherwise I would just have a chocolate bar and

> say " this won't hurt " which of course it does. If I stick rigidly to

> the diet and taking the supplements, is it really possible that I

> will be " cured " ?

> Thanks for listening.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

While it may be a good idea to have the mercury removed, because it will

keep on poisoning you, you may want to consider just eliminating the mercury

levels fir now. Amino Acids as used by Dr Vickery have been very successful

at that. Take a look at the graphs:

http://www.life-enthusiast.com/amino/detox_mercury_1.htm

That protocol also appears to deal with fibromyalgia and candida symptoms

....

> Hello everyone

> I've just found this site.

> It would appear that I have candidiasis and have just started seeing

> a nutritionist and will be starting on a tailored diet and numerous

> supplements etc as from tomorrow.

> I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts were on amalgam

> fillings. I have a mouth full of them and it has been suggested to

> me several times that I have them replaced by a holistic dentist.

> Is this going to be money well spent???

> My knowledge of candidiasis is limited at the moment. I have only

> gleaned things from the web and everything is so conflicting. I

> went to the nutritionist because I'm the sort of person who has to

> be told what to do otherwise I would just have a chocolate bar and

> say " this won't hurt " which of course it does. If I stick rigidly to

> the diet and taking the supplements, is it really possible that I

> will be " cured " ?

> Thanks for listening.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> While it may be a good idea to have the mercury removed, because it

> will keep on poisoning you, you may want to consider just eliminating

> the mercury levels fir now. Amino Acids as used by Dr Vickery have

> been very successful at that. Take a look at the graphs:

>

> http://www.life-enthusiast.com/amino/detox_mercury_1.htm

>

> That protocol also appears to deal with fibromyalgia and candida

> symptoms

Also, because glutathione is used to escort mercury from the body, it

makes sense to use cold-processed whey to increase this valuable

antioxidant. Most people with fibromyalgia and a lot of other

diseases are glutathione deficient, and the therapy will be valid for

them too. This information is in the peer-reviewed medical archives,

Medline.

Cold processed whey is simply handled very carefully while it is

separated from the milk and then dried, to preserve the peptides that

create glutathione.

Whey is also the most bioavailable source of protein.

regards,

Duncan Crow

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane,

I am so glad you are feeling some releaf. For what it's worth, I too

was prescribed Zoloft. Mine was intially sought for because of

insominia then anxiety. I was already DX'd hypo at the time so they

blammed these on mental. I felt little relief on zoloft and started

searching for help. That's when I discovered my problems were all due

to hypo not being treated properly. Once I was on the correct dose

of thyroid meds, I no longer had the issues requiring zoloft. I

think you are wise to wait and get the thyroid straighted out first.

Many of us were initially prescribed antidepressants when the issue

was really hypothroidism.

Also, I believe most antidepressants as well as some hormones will

inhibit the absorption of thyroid medication.

If your father had graves disease, odds are your issue is hashimoto

thyroiditis. This means that your thyroid levels can fluctuate as

the immune system varies it's attack on it. It also means that your

doctors must treat you more by symptoms that by labs. So don't thank

you are going crazy. If you feel you are still haveing symptoms at

any point be persistent with your doctor in getting adequate

treatement. Good luck! I am sure others will add some great posts.

Sherry

> Hi... I just found out a week ago I have an under-functioning

> thyroid. I have felt lethargic and depressed for some time, but

had

> written off the symptoms for menopause and a very stressful year

with

> my husband's prostate cancer and daughter's miscarriage. After

> suffering from insomnia for 3 months, I finally decided to get a

> physical and ask for a thyroid check as I had been excercising and

> dieting for months without any weight loss. I have to be honest,

> that when the doctor found the hypothyroidism I was relieved. I am

> on 50 mg. of levoxyl and in a weeks time I can tell a difference.

I

> want to ask so many questions now... and found this web site. He

did

> prescribe zoloft for the depression, but I am not fond of taking

> pills and usually have pretty severe reactions... side effects so I

> decided to forego the zoloft for now and see if the levoxyl does

the

> trick. Is there anyone out there who can affirm or give me their

> feedback about this? I wonder if my feeling better now after a

week

> is more relief that I am not going crazy, or are the pills working

> already? I hope to find some new friends on here and learn from

> some of you who have been dealing with this for some time. Thanks

> for listening. I am 56 year old mother of 3 grown daughters.. and

> live in California with my husband of 34 years. My father had

> grave's disease, so I am wondering if it was a genetic pass from

him.

>

> Thanks for listening... God bless... Dianne

[Guest guest]

I happen to be a psychologist.

Depression can be a mix of things. If you are hypothyroid and otherwise don't

have many reasons to be depressed, then it's probably mostly systemic. If you

have some other issues, then you might even want to think about therapy, and try

the depression medicine.

Here is the thing with depression: No matter the cause, it can throw your

system out of whack so that your brain is not making the appropriate chemicals

in the appropriate amounts. This can happen due to illness, emotional trauma,

stress, etc. Antidepressants, taken for a few months, can help you get your

neurochemicals back on track. You will have to decide how bad you feel the

depression is. About three months on medicine is the minimum to repair the

neurochemical problem.

You may also find that you get a bit of a lift at having an answer to your

health problems (your recent diagnosis) that makes you feel better because it

relieves some anxiety and gives you some hope. The thryoid medicine can be

helping with this by giving you energy and helping you feel that there is some

hope for feeling better. It's normal to be frustrated with health problems, and

especially if you are doing everything you can to lose weight and it's not

working. Frustration over time can be very depressing. If you aren't feeling

less depressed after the initial relief of getting diagnosed passes, then you

might want to take the medication. Some doctors also prescribe antidepressants

when they give a long-term diagnosis or when a patient has to have surgery.

This is done as a safeguard, in case you get depressed later. Hypothyroidism

can be very frustrating and depressing, but you have completed the first step in

getting any better...you're diagnosed and medicated...which

is a lot more than some of us were able to do very quickly.

Also be aware that sometimes, if you have been feeling very bad for a long time,

the initial dosage of thyroid medicine can really feel like a boost...but the

effect may decline after the first few weeks. If that happens, go back and get

re-tested and adjust medication levels.

diteach2003 <triumfunt@...> wrote:

Hi... I just found out a week ago I have an under-functioning

thyroid. I have felt lethargic and depressed for some time, but had

written off the symptoms for menopause and a very stressful year with

my husband's prostate cancer and daughter's miscarriage. After

suffering from insomnia for 3 months, I finally decided to get a

physical and ask for a thyroid check as I had been excercising and

dieting for months without any weight loss. I have to be honest,

that when the doctor found the hypothyroidism I was relieved. I am

on 50 mg. of levoxyl and in a weeks time I can tell a difference. I

want to ask so many questions now... and found this web site. He did

prescribe zoloft for the depression, but I am not fond of taking

pills and usually have pretty severe reactions... side effects so I

decided to forego the zoloft for now and see if the levoxyl does the

trick. Is there anyone out there who can affirm or give me their

feedback about this? I wonder if my feeling better now after a week

is more relief that I am not going crazy, or are the pills working

already? I hope to find some new friends on here and learn from

some of you who have been dealing with this for some time. Thanks

for listening. I am 56 year old mother of 3 grown daughters.. and

live in California with my husband of 34 years. My father had

grave's disease, so I am wondering if it was a genetic pass from him.

Thanks for listening... God bless... Dianne

[Guest guest]

This is *excellent* advice -- Thank you for sharing this!

It jibes quite well with my own experiences with health issues,

life-stressors, depression, and anti-depressant drugs (which I took for

six months until my stressors had been reduced and I felt like I could

cope on my own.)

I haven't started the " rollercoaster ride " of working out my levels yet,

but I'll keep your comments in mind as things go along, and I'll keep an

eye out for bumps in the road so that I can keep on top of my levels if

things seem to change.

Thanks again!

Debbi

>

> I happen to be a psychologist.

>

> Depression can be a mix of things. If you are hypothyroid and otherwise

> don't have many reasons to be depressed, then it's probably mostly

> systemic. If you have some other issues, then you might even want to

> think about therapy, and try the depression medicine.

>

> Here is the thing with depression: No matter the cause, it can throw your

> system out of whack so that your brain is not making the appropriate

> chemicals in the appropriate amounts. This can happen due to illness,

> emotional trauma, stress, etc. Antidepressants, taken for a few months,

> can help you get your neurochemicals back on track. You will have to

> decide how bad you feel the depression is. About three months on medicine

> is the minimum to repair the neurochemical problem.

>

> You may also find that you get a bit of a lift at having an answer to your

> health problems (your recent diagnosis) that makes you feel better because

> it relieves some anxiety and gives you some hope. The thryoid medicine

> can be helping with this by giving you energy and helping you feel that

> there is some hope for feeling better. It's normal to be frustrated with

> health problems, and especially if you are doing everything you can to

> lose weight and it's not working. Frustration over time can be very

> depressing. If you aren't feeling less depressed after the initial relief

> of getting diagnosed passes, then you might want to take the medication.

> Some doctors also prescribe antidepressants when they give a long-term

> diagnosis or when a patient has to have surgery. This is done as a

> safeguard, in case you get depressed later. Hypothyroidism can be very

> frustrating and depressing, but you have completed the first step in

> getting any better...you're diagnosed and medicated...which

> is a lot more than some of us were able to do very quickly.

>

> Also be aware that sometimes, if you have been feeling very bad for a long

> time, the initial dosage of thyroid medicine can really feel like a

> boost...but the effect may decline after the first few weeks. If that

> happens, go back and get re-tested and adjust medication levels.

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your kind reply and coming from a professional,

I am especially listening to you. I think there is a little fear I

have about anti-depressants because of a bad experience with Prozac

long ago. Zoloft however actually made my mothers last years having

alzheimers quite pleasant for her, and the happiest years of her life

believe it or not! She had been a very unhappy depressed and

difficult to live with mother and my sister and I both realized it

must have been a chemical imbalance. Zoloft was a miracle drug for

her. I am going to stay on my new thyroid meds a couple of more

weeks and monitor how I am feeling, with all you have said in mind

and if the depression seems to be hanging around, I will get on the

zoloft. What you said really made sense to me. I think there is a

temporary high when first diagnosed. There is a reason to feel

lethargic and there is a reason for mood changes and dry skin and

insomnia etc. If a pill or two can help, there is hope. I do

appreciate your reply Mellisa. God bless... Dianne

> Hi... I just found out a week ago I have an under-functioning

> thyroid. I have felt lethargic and depressed for some time, but

had

> written off the symptoms for menopause and a very stressful year

with

> my husband's prostate cancer and daughter's miscarriage. After

> suffering from insomnia for 3 months, I finally decided to get a

> physical and ask for a thyroid check as I had been excercising and

> dieting for months without any weight loss. I have to be honest,

> that when the doctor found the hypothyroidism I was relieved. I am

> on 50 mg. of levoxyl and in a weeks time I can tell a difference.

I

> want to ask so many questions now... and found this web site. He

did

> prescribe zoloft for the depression, but I am not fond of taking

> pills and usually have pretty severe reactions... side effects so I

> decided to forego the zoloft for now and see if the levoxyl does

the

> trick. Is there anyone out there who can affirm or give me their

> feedback about this? I wonder if my feeling better now after a

week

> is more relief that I am not going crazy, or are the pills working

> already? I hope to find some new friends on here and learn from

> some of you who have been dealing with this for some time. Thanks

> for listening. I am 56 year old mother of 3 grown daughters.. and

> live in California with my husband of 34 years. My father had

> grave's disease, so I am wondering if it was a genetic pass from

him.

>

> Thanks for listening... God bless... Dianne

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The right thyroid meds make a difference, especially getting T3 which

affects mood. However I became very depressed after finally getting Armour

thyroid. I needed cortisol and some other hormones, very glad I didn't

take an antiD. Your mother must have had a hormonal imbalance which is

also associated with Alzheimers. Allopathic medicine will use antiDs,

holistic medicine will restore balance to your system. See

prozacawareness Look at Swarzbein Principle. (book)

Gracia

>

> Thank you for your kind reply and coming from a professional,

> I am especially listening to you. I think there is a little fear I

> have about anti-depressants because of a bad experience with Prozac

> long ago. Zoloft however actually made my mothers last years having

> alzheimers quite pleasant for her, and the happiest years of her life

> believe it or not! She had been a very unhappy depressed and

> difficult to live with mother and my sister and I both realized it

> must have been a chemical imbalance.

[Guest guest]

hi dianne, i think that was a good idea to see if the Levoxyl will help with

depression symptoms before trying an anti-depressant. my endo wanted to give me

antidepressants and anxiolytics, but I refused. i knew it was related to my

thyroid, and the thyroid meds have made my moods stabilize and back to normal.

It may take 8 weeks for the Levoxyl to kick in. Just keep an eye on your

symptoms. As long as you're not severely depressed and/or suicidal then you

should be fine to wait it out and see if the Levoxyl helps.

Whereabouts in CA are you from? I'm originally from San Franciso. When I was 4,

we moved to the midwest...lived in Indiana most my life, but my dad's family is

from KY. I've been living in Louisville KY since 1990. I'm 40, VERY happily

married for, uh...let me think...i believe it will be 7 years this July.

Great to hear about couples, like you & your husband who have been married for a

long time!

Hugs, Sheila

diteach2003 <triumfunt@...> wrote:

Hi... I just found out a week ago I have an under-functioning

thyroid. I have felt lethargic and depressed for some time, but had

written off the symptoms for menopause and a very stressful year with

my husband's prostate cancer and daughter's miscarriage. After

suffering from insomnia for 3 months, I finally decided to get a

physical and ask for a thyroid check as I had been excercising and

dieting for months without any weight loss. I have to be honest,

that when the doctor found the hypothyroidism I was relieved. I am

on 50 mg. of levoxyl and in a weeks time I can tell a difference. I

want to ask so many questions now... and found this web site. He did

prescribe zoloft for the depression, but I am not fond of taking

pills and usually have pretty severe reactions... side effects so I

decided to forego the zoloft for now and see if the levoxyl does the

trick. Is there anyone out there who can affirm or give me their

feedback about this? I wonder if my feeling better now after a week

is more relief that I am not going crazy, or are the pills working

already? I hope to find some new friends on here and learn from

some of you who have been dealing with this for some time. Thanks

for listening. I am 56 year old mother of 3 grown daughters.. and

live in California with my husband of 34 years. My father had

grave's disease, so I am wondering if it was a genetic pass from him.

Thanks for listening... God bless... Dianne

[Guest guest]

Hashimoto's disease is an autoimmune form of hypothyroidism... basically we

have antibodies destroying our thyroids... welcome to the group...

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From: " jr8865 " <jr8865@...>

Reply-hypothyroidism

hypothyroidism

Subject: New member

Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2004 01:13:57 -0000

Also, what is Hashi's disease? I noticed it mentioned in a previous

post.

Thanks for your help.

Jan

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[Guest guest]

hashi is hashimoto's disease (thyroiditis).. when you have anitbodies that

attack the thyroid which leads to hypothyroidism.. its an autoimmune disease

New member

> Hi,

>

> I was diagnosed with hypothyroidism over a year ago and was placed on

> thyroid medication. I am so frustrated at this point. The

> endocrinologist has increased the med 4 times. I am still having

> symptoms including gaining weight and lacking energy.

>

> I am interested in knowing if anyone has had improvement with using

> natural supplements, etc.

>

> Also, what is Hashi's disease? I noticed it mentioned in a previous

> post.

>

> Thanks for your help.

>

> Jan

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nikki,

My name is Nick and I found out I had hep c about a year ago. I am

currently on Pegetron treatment. I had my biopsy done in February

and it was very routine. The only thing I felt was a minor pinch

from the freezing needles. The whole process took about 2 1/2

minutes from start to finish. But then they make you lie there for 8

hours and then more relaxing at home for 24-48hrs. The reason for

this is to ensure there are no complications from internal bleeding

etc. There is always a risk for potential complications for any

procedure, even getting a tooth pulled. After the biopsy, I had some

pain in my shoulder and I was told that it was common and was due to

my diaphragm beinf affected. The pain was more of a nuisance than

anything else. They asked if I wanted a pain killer for it, but it

wasn't bad enough for one. Bottom line....the biopsy was nothing. I

am now into week 10 with my treatment and the main side effect I

have with that is fatigue. I am on a modified schedule at work (32

hours a week) and am having a hard time doing that. There is always

a day every week that I have to go home a 2-4 hours early. But

that's temporary. I am 41 now and they figure I had hep c for 15-20

years. I have a lot of damage to my liver, but I'm not at the

cirrhosis stage yet. It's good that you cleaned up 1 1/2 years ago.

If you still drink, my advice is quit. It ain't good for a good

liver, let alone a diseased one. It can be a little overwhelming

when you find out " the bad news " , but you are at the right place. We

are all here to help. Remember that hep c is not a death sentence

and it can be controlled. I have totally changed my eating habits. I

eat a sqare meal a day (supper) and have many little meals

throughout the day, mainly fruits and salads. I have been doing that

for over a year and when I got my bloodwork done prior to starting

treatment, my Doc said my blood work was fantastic...above normal. I

also take a multivitamin(no iron), a Vitamin B complex (time

released), One vitamin E (400 i.u.), three milk thistle pills a day

(this is the magic pill that most of us take), three garlic pills a

day and also an anti-depressant---Effexor-75mg. The treatment can

make you depressed and that is the reason for an antidepressant. I

began taking those about 3 months before starting treatment to allow

time for them to work on my system. And so far, they are a Godsend.

My brother is also on treatment and he is suffering the depression.

I'm doing very well in that department and I thank Effexor for that.

Also remember that Effexor works for me..but something else may work

better for you. Listen to your Doctor and get educated. This place

will help you as well. You have many brains to pick on here and they

are all at different stages of combating this disease, so you can

learn from our experiences. Your biopsy will tell your Doctor of any

any damage to your liver and your geno-type and more. I have geno

type 1(. The most common in North America but harder to sustain

with treatment. If you have geno type 2 or 3, your chances of

success with treatment are better than geno type 1. And with geno

type 2 or 3, you are usually only on the treatment for 6 months.

People with geno type 1 are on treatment for 11 months, sometimes

longer. Anyway Nikki, don't worry too much and take it a day at a

time. Ask your Doctor questions and make sure you get your numbers

from the biopsy and bloodwork. I probably gave you more info than

you initailly wanted, but I tried to answer some of your " future "

questions you may have in a day or two. Take care Nikki and keep us

posted ok?

Nick

> hi everybody,

> My name is nikki and recently I've been told that I Have Hep c.

> I contracted it through needles. I have however been clean for a

year

> and a half. I took an aids test and thought that I got out clean.

> never was I expecting to have hep c. I'm going for a biopsy on Mon.

> and I would like to know if anyone can share their eperience with

me

> so I know wat to expect. Thanks a bunch

[Guest guest]

I have also used a product manufactured by 's called Adrenal Factors.

witchiepoo1964@... wrote:

Hello I am new to this group and I want to thank you all for your

information.I just started a detox that was recomended to me(Renew) a few days

ago.I see

some of you had talked about CFS and adrenal gland problems.You mentioned

taking bovine products.Does anyone know of a vegetarian alternative? The only

animal product I use is honey.Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Blessings,

aka the

nazi vegetarian (LOL!)

[Guest guest]

Thank you!

BB,

> I have also used a product manufactured by 's called Adrenal

> Factors.

>

[Guest guest]

Tess-

check out the success stories in the " files " section of this group.

great info there. on this and other lists, look for stories of how

people actually recovered, you will see some patterns emerge.

hopefully you can avoid experimenting with a thousand different

approaches and products.

JOhng

> Hello,

>

> I am new to the group. I have just been diagnosed with Stage 4

> Candida and will be starting a rigid protocol on Friday.

>

> Currently, I am cutting out caffeine and sugar-foods. This is hard

> enough!

>

> I have a wonderful practitioner, but I am looking for some support

> (through this group) and hopefully some " been-there-done-that " people

> who can give me some insight.

>

> I'm really glad this is here!

>

> -tess

[Guest guest]

Here are some notes based on my experiences. I started my diet at the

beginning of this year.

Eliminate all junk food. No more pop or chips or anything heavily

processed. Absolutely no sugar in any form for a month or more (even

fruit). No starchy veggies or pasta. Raw veggies were hard on me at first

-- I think I should have steamed them.

All your symptoms will become worse after a week or two of dieting. After

this period your tastes should begin to change and you will desire less and

less junk food & sugar.

Good luck & keep in touch!

> new member

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I am new to the group. I have just been diagnosed with Stage 4

> Candida and will be starting a rigid protocol on Friday.

>

> Currently, I am cutting out caffeine and sugar-foods. This is hard

> enough!

>

> I have a wonderful practitioner, but I am looking for some support

> (through this group) and hopefully some " been-there-done-that " people

> who can give me some insight.

>

> I'm really glad this is here!

>

> -tess

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome!

Candace

> Hello,

>

> I am new to the group. I have just been diagnosed with Stage 4

> Candida and will be starting a rigid protocol on Friday.

>

> Currently, I am cutting out caffeine and sugar-foods. This is hard

> enough!

>

> I have a wonderful practitioner, but I am looking for some support

> (through this group) and hopefully some " been-there-done-that " people

> who can give me some insight.

>

> I'm really glad this is here!

>

> -tess

[Guest guest]

wow. thanks for the info.

that is close to what i am doing now. trying to eliminate all junk foods,

processed foods, etc. on friday i will get a more in-depth protocol with

homeopathic and holistic supplements.

(sigh)

symptoms get worse? like what kinds of symptoms? i didn't even think i HAD

any symptoms...

blessings,

tess

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" And so it goes…This old world continues spinning on its axis, orbiting the

sun, and hurtling through space with the rest of the solar system and

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>From: " DJ Tech " <candida@...>

>Reply-candidiasis

><candidiasis >

>Subject: RE: new member

>Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 16:31:05 -0400

>

>Here are some notes based on my experiences. I started my diet at the

>beginning of this year.

>

>Eliminate all junk food. No more pop or chips or anything heavily

>processed. Absolutely no sugar in any form for a month or more (even

>fruit). No starchy veggies or pasta. Raw veggies were hard on me at first

>-- I think I should have steamed them.

>

>All your symptoms will become worse after a week or two of dieting. After

>this period your tastes should begin to change and you will desire less and

>less junk food & sugar.

>

>Good luck & keep in touch!

>

> > new member

> >

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > I am new to the group. I have just been diagnosed with Stage 4

> > Candida and will be starting a rigid protocol on Friday.

> >

> > Currently, I am cutting out caffeine and sugar-foods. This is hard

> > enough!

> >

> > I have a wonderful practitioner, but I am looking for some support

> > (through this group) and hopefully some " been-there-done-that " people

> > who can give me some insight.

> >

> > I'm really glad this is here!

> >

> > -tess

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sounds like you are off to a good start. Make sure you take fiber daily,

psyllium works wonders for me. I just got a protein drink last night from

Vitamin Research Products and I like it a lot. They've got a powdered based

mineral supplement too. Talk with your doctor first before adding anything

like these to your diet. I think vrp's products are high quality.

As far as symptoms, I have & had many of them. One way to look at this is

-- anything that candida is/has done to your body will get worse when you

stop feeding them. Muscle pains, digestion issues, memory problems,

difficulty concentrating, irritability, sleepiness and so on. I had all of

these to some degree plus many more; it is really hard to think of all of

them at once.

BUT! There is a light at the end of the tunnel. If you are very strict at

following the protocols the yeast will loose the battle and life will start

getting better. Daily exercise is VERY important. Minimum of 30 minutes a

day of light activity is required (if you blood doesn't move toxins don't go

anywhere). It takes dedication and a lot of patience as well as a positive

attitude. Wishing you the best!

> new member

> > >

> > >

> > > Hello,

> > >

> > > I am new to the group. I have just been diagnosed with Stage 4

> > > Candida and will be starting a rigid protocol on Friday.

> > >

> > > Currently, I am cutting out caffeine and sugar-foods. This is hard

> > > enough!

> > >

> > > I have a wonderful practitioner, but I am looking for some support

> > > (through this group) and hopefully some " been-there-done-that " people

> > > who can give me some insight.

> > >

> > > I'm really glad this is here!

> > >

> > > -tess

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Welcome Tess - I know how you feel. This is my third time with

Candida but I have never had it badly enough that I had really noticed

anything was wrong, until this time. And now I have the full dose. And loathe

it

with a vengense.

I got used to not using sugar, except in baking. And even there

have found I can cut it in half with no change to whatever I am baking. I did

use honey once in awhile because it tastes better then Stevia by itself, in

things like drinks - but that was all between bouts of Candida. Now I am on a

very strict diet and it is difficult to stay on, I am finding. I miss things

with vinegar in them like mustards, dressings, etc. plus do not like spending

hours in the kitchen making spreads, etc from scratch - the less time in the

kitchen the happier I am.

One can and does get " used " to not using sugar in time - same as

caffience. Or so I found anyway. I have piles of recipes for when you are

getting better if you want to back channel me. Making muffins etc using

concentrated fruit juices instead of sugars, honey, etc. Also a great bread

(whole

grain wheat) using baking soda. Don't know about you; but right now I can't eat

wheat of any kind nor any kind of fruit nor fruit juices. (I dream about

pigging out on mangoes, apples, pineapples, etc!!!)

Good luck!

Blessings

Shan

> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 19:24:25 -0000

> From: " tessielicious " <tessborden@...>

> Subject: new member

>

> Hello,

>

> I am new to the group. I have just been diagnosed with Stage 4

> Candida and will be starting a rigid protocol on Friday.

>

> Currently, I am cutting out caffeine and sugar-foods. This is hard

> enough!

[Guest guest]

Hate to say this Tess - but count your blessings! I would trade

places with you in a minisecond! Canida when one has symptoms which one can't

misunderstand and ignore is the pits - in my experiance anyway. I am so

desperate I am spending all my time and every penny on trying to get rid of it

-

and it is taking forever!!!

Good luck!

Shan

> symptoms get worse? like what kinds of symptoms? i didn't even think i

> HAD

> any symptoms...

>

>

>

> blessings,

>

> tess

>

>

> *************************************

>

> " And so it goes…This old world continues spinning on its axis, orbiting the

> sun, and hurtling through space with the rest of the solar system and

> galaxy. Birth and death, joy and sorrow, plenty and want all come and go. "

>

> - Goodrich

[Guest guest]

Dear Jim,

Welcome to our group. There is a questionnaire in my article " How to

Overcome Candida " in the files on the left side-bar that you should

take to determine if you have candida.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Jim,

Sounds to me like a serious detox is taking place in your body. Candida is

probably a big part of your symptoms because, besides the extra stress on

your liver and immune system, your balance of microbes is probably way off.

Before I had an ulcer and then developed a problem with Candida overgrowth,

I was drinking a lot of beer (among other things!) I was continually

stressed out by big projects I was working on. I needed any sort of drug I

could get my hands on to provide a bit of an escape for me and my speeding

head. Landing in the hospital on feeding tubes helped me to see that I was

fooling myself. While fun and exciting, I was doing dumb things that were

really hurting me and almost killed me. My behavior suddenly looked so

boring and stupid. I decided to change. (Well, I sort of HAD to...)

It's been over a year since I was in the hospital. Among other things, I've

been following Bee's helpful diet the whole time. That means I've also not

taken ANY sort of drug, prescription or otherwise. I don't even drink coffee

-- don't want to.

The detox was intense. Just miserable. But I stuck with it and in time I've

been able to let go of the habits and crutches I'd been using to cope with a

life that was out of sync. It's impossible for me to convey how satisfying

it is to simply feel good and like yourself. You're never going to feel that

way if your liver is clogged up processing drugs and if bacteria and fungus

are multiplying due to a surplus of sugars/starches you're eating. (You

probably need to educate yourself in the files about how that all works.)

So yes I for one think from what you say that you have a Candida fungus

overgrowth. I hope you'll try the diet and lose the drugs. I promise you'll

feel REALLY miserable for at least a couple weeks :-) but then you'll feel a

LOT better. And remember to read the main files that Bee suggested (so we

don't have to repeat everything here,) so you can write and ask all the

people here to help with questions and general support. We've all gone

through it.

And remember that part of the diet is adopting a healthy lifestyle that

excludes drugs like the ones you mentioned (and I am all too familiar with.)

Use this illness as an opportunity to grow and change. Surprise yourself!

You sound like you're ready for a big change. Why not start now?

~Robin