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Done, done and done...okay...will do it Friday at the doc appt but...was already

on my mind. Thank you so much for confirming the possibility and caring enough

to mention it to me.

This group is such a relief. Sometimes I feel like this is my Cheers (dating

myself here but what the heck). People only get it when they are in the mix of

thyroid issues! Now can we all stay well and have a serious cocktail to

celebrate?!

Dani

Crystal <sweetnwright@...> wrote:

2 grains of Armour is a minimal dose, but maybe that's all you need or

maybe

you need your adrenals tested. Not sure if you knew it or not, but being

able to take a low Armour dose can equal adrenal issues. Make sure you ask

for a saliva test.

cw

-- Re: Hair loss

- Thanks!

I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as possible.

Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush.

Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour well? I

tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure what to BEG for

at this point!

Dani

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Most of us have been in a bad position health wise and thank God for this

list. I did too. SO it is my pleasure to share what I have been taught!

cw

-- Re: Hair loss

- Thanks!

I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as possible.

Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush.

Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour well? I

tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure what to BEG for

at this point!

Dani

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the issues ppl have are

1) not enough thyroid meds

2) iodine deficiency (you will be told that you get all you need in salt but

uh oh you aren't supposed to eat salt! and iodine is dangerous!)

3) low adrenal function

you will have to find a holistic doc to get the above treated properly. or

treat yourself. (I did).

Gracia

Okay,well I just posted my Armour schedule. I am pro Armour so I hope it works

well for you. I am concerned it is another issue...just not sure which one. I

have to insist my antibodies tests get run. They used to be high and I never got

a Hashi's diagnosis or much care at all for that matter. It may very well be

more complex than I realized and with more years it is showing itself.

Dani

Tester <reneetester@...> wrote:

I am going to beg for Armour. I am not about to try Synthroid and all the

other junk. My friend was on synthroid and it had to be increased over and over.

Then eventually didnt work. So good luck. I hope your doctor tries Armour.

le <danosova@...> wrote:

- Thanks!

I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as possible.

Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush.

Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour well? I

tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure what to BEG for at

this point!

Dani

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I take 240mg all in the a.m.

usual dose is 180--300mg Armour.

Gracia

Well, I take 2 grains broken up by taking 1/2 grain at 7am, 1/2 grain at 11

am, 1/2 grain at 4 pm and one final 1/2 grain at 7 pm or there about.

My friend asked me if I was related to her cat who has apparently been

shedding a lot as we come into Spring fully here in KY! Grimace.

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Gracia,

Do you remember when and I were going back and forth with

posts regarding hair loss? We were both experiencing hair loss and I

believe she found out that too much can give hair loss. The doctor I

was seeing at the time which several of you questioned his actions

about dosage, told me it was from not enough meds. Well, I am seeing

a different doctor now and I have reduced my Armour to 2 grains 4 days

and 3 grains 3 days a week ( I know you do not understand slitting

like this but because I am SO sensitive to drugs this is what is

working for me) Anyway, since I have reduced the Armour, I do not have

half the hair loss I was experiencing. I was taking 3 grains 4 days a

week and 2 1/2 grains 3 days a week. Just letting you know what I

have experienced since lowering my dose.

Venizia

> - Thanks!

>

> I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as

possible. Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush.

>

> Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the

Armour well? I tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely

sure what to BEG for at this point!

>

> Dani

>

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OK but I think you actually have some other issues, like low adrenals and

iodine deficiency. if that is true you will see other probs from not enough

Armour.

Gracia

Gracia,

Do you remember when and I were going back and forth with

posts regarding hair loss? We were both experiencing hair loss and I

believe she found out that too much can give hair loss. The doctor I

was seeing at the time which several of you questioned his actions

about dosage, told me it was from not enough meds. Well, I am seeing

a different doctor now and I have reduced my Armour to 2 grains 4 days

and 3 grains 3 days a week ( I know you do not understand slitting

like this but because I am SO sensitive to drugs this is what is

working for me) Anyway, since I have reduced the Armour, I do not have

half the hair loss I was experiencing. I was taking 3 grains 4 days a

week and 2 1/2 grains 3 days a week. Just letting you know what I

have experienced since lowering my dose.

Venizia

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Gracia,

Why do you think I have adrenal issues and iodine deficiency? I also

was experiencing times of being too warm and actually sweating in the

middle of winter. That is also gone since I lowered the armour. Just

curious as to why you suggest adrenal and iodine deficiency in my

case. I have to day I am feeling much better now all the way around.

Oh ya, it's snowing here again this morning.....enough is enough!!!

Venizia

>

>

> OK but I think you actually have some other issues, like low

adrenals and iodine deficiency. if that is true you will see other

probs from not enough Armour.

> Gracia

>

> Gracia,

>

> Do you remember when and I were going back and forth with

> posts regarding hair loss? We were both experiencing hair loss and I

> believe she found out that too much can give hair loss. The doctor I

> was seeing at the time which several of you questioned his actions

> about dosage, told me it was from not enough meds. Well, I am seeing

> a different doctor now and I have reduced my Armour to 2 grains 4 days

> and 3 grains 3 days a week ( I know you do not understand slitting

> like this but because I am SO sensitive to drugs this is what is

> working for me) Anyway, since I have reduced the Armour, I do not have

> half the hair loss I was experiencing. I was taking 3 grains 4 days a

> week and 2 1/2 grains 3 days a week. Just letting you know what I

> have experienced since lowering my dose.

>

> Venizia

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Jumping back in here...I am going with adrenal issues. I have had facial hair

with no ability to chalk it up to PCOS (never qualified for that diagnosis,

thankfully). I thought I read somewhere adrenal issues or cortisol too high or

too low can be a cause of hirsutism?? My gut says the dose is close to right

but my body is not getting the full benefits because I have most likely Hashi's

and being so poorly and late in life diagnosed, adrenal issues. I will see

tomorrow how this plays out. Laundry list of labs to demand would be

appreciated!

Dani

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

OK but I think you actually have some other issues, like low adrenals and iodine

deficiency. if that is true you will see other probs from not enough Armour.

Gracia

Gracia,

Do you remember when and I were going back and forth with

posts regarding hair loss? We were both experiencing hair loss and I

believe she found out that too much can give hair loss. The doctor I

was seeing at the time which several of you questioned his actions

about dosage, told me it was from not enough meds. Well, I am seeing

a different doctor now and I have reduced my Armour to 2 grains 4 days

and 3 grains 3 days a week ( I know you do not understand slitting

like this but because I am SO sensitive to drugs this is what is

working for me) Anyway, since I have reduced the Armour, I do not have

half the hair loss I was experiencing. I was taking 3 grains 4 days a

week and 2 1/2 grains 3 days a week. Just letting you know what I

have experienced since lowering my dose.

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Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no

problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other

medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3

conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not

do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much

higher.

Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard

procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's

called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you

get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over

the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person.

> Re: Hair loss

>

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Tester " reneetester@...

> <mailto:reneetester@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hair%20loss>

> reneetester <reneetester>

>

>

> Wed Apr 9, 2008 10:00 am (PDT)

>

> I am going to beg for Armour. I am not about to try Synthroid and all

> the other junk. My friend was on synthroid and it had to be increased

> over and over. Then eventually didnt work. So good luck. I hope your

> doctor tries Armour.

>

> le <danosova@... <mailto:danosova%40>> wrote:

> - Thanks!

>

> I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as

> possible. Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush.

>

> Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour

> well? I tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure

> what to BEG for at this point!

>

> Dani

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Just so you know, Armour has to be increased " over and over " too and it

seems to require additional supplements to work well (i.e. iodine ,

cortisol, vitamins etc.)

Read our archives where folks on Armour also experience hair loss. There's

just no way to know which of us will and which of us won't.

If you have just recently increased your Synthroid - your package insert

(describing potential side effects, lists the possibility of short term hair

loss. However, you may also be experiencing hyper symtoms (which include

hair loss) or not be medicated enough for hypo symptoms (which also includes

hair loss). Very confusing, I think!!!!!

Keep us posted.

Dusty

Re: Hair loss

Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no

problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other

medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3

conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not

do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much

higher.

Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard

procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's

called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you

get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over

the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person.

> Re: Hair loss

> <http://groups.

<hypothyroidism/message/37480;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbG1

pM3MzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc

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/group/hypothyroidism/message/37480;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbG1pM3MzBF9TAzk3Mz

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Tester " reneetester@ <mailto:reneetester%40>

> <mailto:reneetester@ <mailto:reneetester%40>

?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hair%20loss>

> reneetester <http://profiles. <reneetester>

/reneetester>

>

>

> Wed Apr 9, 2008 10:00 am (PDT)

>

> I am going to beg for Armour. I am not about to try Synthroid and all

> the other junk. My friend was on synthroid and it had to be increased

> over and over. Then eventually didnt work. So good luck. I hope your

> doctor tries Armour.

>

> le <danosova (DOT) <mailto:danosova%40> com

<mailto:danosova%40>> wrote:

> - Thanks!

>

> I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as

> possible. Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush.

>

> Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour

> well? I tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure

> what to BEG for at this point!

>

> Dani

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Don't forget that facial hair comes with age for women - as their hormones

change in perimenopause and menopause.

Dusty

Re: Re: Hair loss

Jumping back in here...I am going with adrenal issues. I have had facial

hair with no ability to chalk it up to PCOS (never qualified for that

diagnosis, thankfully). I thought I read somewhere adrenal issues or

cortisol too high or too low can be a cause of hirsutism?? My gut says the

dose is close to right but my body is not getting the full benefits because

I have most likely Hashi's and being so poorly and late in life diagnosed,

adrenal issues. I will see tomorrow how this plays out. Laundry list of labs

to demand would be appreciated!

Dani

Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> > wrote:

OK but I think you actually have some other issues, like low adrenals and

iodine deficiency. if that is true you will see other probs from not enough

Armour.

Gracia

Gracia,

Do you remember when and I were going back and forth with

posts regarding hair loss? We were both experiencing hair loss and I

believe she found out that too much can give hair loss. The doctor I

was seeing at the time which several of you questioned his actions

about dosage, told me it was from not enough meds. Well, I am seeing

a different doctor now and I have reduced my Armour to 2 grains 4 days

and 3 grains 3 days a week ( I know you do not understand slitting

like this but because I am SO sensitive to drugs this is what is

working for me) Anyway, since I have reduced the Armour, I do not have

half the hair loss I was experiencing. I was taking 3 grains 4 days a

week and 2 1/2 grains 3 days a week. Just letting you know what I

have experienced since lowering my dose.

Venizia

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Dusty <dusty@...> wrote:

Just so you know, Armour has to be increased " over and over " too and it

seems to require additional supplements to work well (i.e. iodine ,

cortisol, vitamins etc.)

Read our archives where folks on Armour also experience hair loss. There's

just no way to know which of us will and which of us won't.

If you have just recently increased your Synthroid - your package insert

(describing potential side effects, lists the possibility of short term hair

loss. However, you may also be experiencing hyper symtoms (which include

hair loss) or not be medicated enough for hypo symptoms (which also includes

hair loss). Very confusing, I think!!!!!

Keep us posted.

Dusty

Re: Hair loss

Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no

problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other

medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3

conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not

do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much

higher.

Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard

procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's

called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you

get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over

the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person.

> Re: Hair loss

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Tester " reneetester@

>

?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hair%20loss>

> reneetester

/reneetester>

>

>

> Wed Apr 9, 2008 10:00 am (PDT)

>

> I am going to beg for Armour. I am not about to try Synthroid and all

> the other junk. My friend was on synthroid and it had to be increased

> over and over. Then eventually didnt work. So good luck. I hope your

> doctor tries Armour.

>

> le com

> wrote:

> - Thanks!

>

> I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as

> possible. Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush.

>

> Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour

> well? I tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure

> what to BEG for at this point!

>

> Dani

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Hum, True, however, I started having it as a teen.

Dusty <dusty@...> wrote: Don't forget that facial

hair comes with age for women - as their hormones

change in perimenopause and menopause.

Dusty

Re: Re: Hair loss

Jumping back in here...I am going with adrenal issues. I have had facial

hair with no ability to chalk it up to PCOS (never qualified for that

diagnosis, thankfully). I thought I read somewhere adrenal issues or

cortisol too high or too low can be a cause of hirsutism?? My gut says the

dose is close to right but my body is not getting the full benefits because

I have most likely Hashi's and being so poorly and late in life diagnosed,

adrenal issues. I will see tomorrow how this plays out. Laundry list of labs

to demand would be appreciated!

Dani

Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> > wrote:

OK but I think you actually have some other issues, like low adrenals and

iodine deficiency. if that is true you will see other probs from not enough

Armour.

Gracia

Gracia,

Do you remember when and I were going back and forth with

posts regarding hair loss? We were both experiencing hair loss and I

believe she found out that too much can give hair loss. The doctor I

was seeing at the time which several of you questioned his actions

about dosage, told me it was from not enough meds. Well, I am seeing

a different doctor now and I have reduced my Armour to 2 grains 4 days

and 3 grains 3 days a week ( I know you do not understand slitting

like this but because I am SO sensitive to drugs this is what is

working for me) Anyway, since I have reduced the Armour, I do not have

half the hair loss I was experiencing. I was taking 3 grains 4 days a

week and 2 1/2 grains 3 days a week. Just letting you know what I

have experienced since lowering my dose.

Venizia

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I did not do bad on synthroid, however, I do better on Armour. After

having a baby I got really sick because I wasn't on enough meds so that's

when I decided to try Armour.

You can't compare til you have used both. I say you try Armour for six

months and see how better you feel.

Cw

-- Re: Hair loss

Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no

problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other

medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3

conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not

do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much

higher.

Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard

procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's

called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you

get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over

the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person.

> Re: Hair loss

> <hypothyroidism/message/37480

_ylc=X3oDMTJxbG1pM3MzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEw

DIEbXNnSWQDMzc0ODAEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwNzc5MDQ2Nw-->

>

>

>

> Posted by: " Tester " reneetester@...

> <mailto:reneetester@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hair%20loss>

> reneetester <reneetester>

>

>

> Wed Apr 9, 2008 10:00 am (PDT)

>

> I am going to beg for Armour. I am not about to try Synthroid and all

> the other junk. My friend was on synthroid and it had to be increased

> over and over. Then eventually didnt work. So good luck. I hope your

> doctor tries Armour.

>

> le <danosova@... <mailto:danosova%40>> wrote:

> - Thanks!

>

> I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as

> possible. Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush.

>

> Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour

> well? I tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure

> what to BEG for at this point!

>

> Dani

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Synthroid has to be titrated too. No matter what, if your replacing lost

hormone you have to find out how much was lost so you can replace it. I

take Armour and do not use iodine or cortisol. Plenty of people withOUT

thyroid problems can have adrenal issues. Armour has nothing to do with

having to increase over and over or taking supplements. Armour is NOT

scary!

cw

-- Re: Hair loss

Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no

problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other

medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3

conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not

do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much

higher.

Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard

procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's

called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you

get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over

the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person.

> Re: Hair loss

> <http://groups.

<hypothyroidism/message/37480;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbG1

pM3MzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMzc

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>

>

>

> Posted by: " Tester " reneetester@ <mailto:reneetester%40>

> <mailto:reneetester@ <mailto:reneetester%40>

?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hair%20loss>

> reneetester <http://profiles. <reneetester>

/reneetester>

>

>

> Wed Apr 9, 2008 10:00 am (PDT)

>

> I am going to beg for Armour. I am not about to try Synthroid and all

> the other junk. My friend was on synthroid and it had to be increased

> over and over. Then eventually didnt work. So good luck. I hope your

> doctor tries Armour.

>

> le <danosova (DOT) <mailto:danosova%40> com

<mailto:danosova%40>> wrote:

> - Thanks!

>

> I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as

> possible. Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush.

>

> Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour

> well? I tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure

> what to BEG for at this point!

>

> Dani

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this is medical myth and completely untrue, but if you don't know what to look

for, then $inthroid will seem to be adequate.

BTW--FIVE of my workmates are now taking Iodoral at least 50mg per day and

loving it. I can't order bottles fast enough.

the only resident that is on T4 meds Levoxyl just went to the ER last night

b/c of heavy breathing (he can barely walk), they have him on 1000 cal diet b/c

of weight gain, he is in horrible shape but GOOD NEWS! ER docs say he is

" fine " .

Gracia

Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no

problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other

medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3

conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not

do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much

higher.

Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard

procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's

called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you

get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over

the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person.

> Re: Hair loss

>

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> Posted by: " Tester " reneetester@...

> <mailto:reneetester@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hair%20loss>

> reneetester <reneetester>

>

>

> Wed Apr 9, 2008 10:00 am (PDT)

>

> I am going to beg for Armour. I am not about to try Synthroid and all

> the other junk. My friend was on synthroid and it had to be increased

> over and over. Then eventually didnt work. So good luck. I hope your

> doctor tries Armour.

>

> le <danosova@... <mailto:danosova%40>> wrote:

> - Thanks!

>

> I go in on Friday! I am staying away from the hairbrush as much as

> possible. Too frustrating to see all the hair left behind in the brush.

>

> Could this have anything to do with my body not absorbing the Armour

> well? I tried asking my doctor about this but wasn't entirely sure

> what to BEG for at this point!

>

> Dani

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I feel good and my labs are good so I don't have a lot of incentive to

experiment.

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>

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hair%20loss>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

>

> Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:25 pm (PDT)

>

> I did not do bad on synthroid, however, I do better on Armour. After

> having a baby I got really sick because I wasn't on enough meds so that's

> when I decided to try Armour.

> You can't compare til you have used both. I say you try Armour for six

> months and see how better you feel.

> Cw

>

> -- Re: Hair loss

>

> Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no

> problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other

> medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3

> conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not

> do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much

> higher.

>

> Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard

> procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's

> called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you

> get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over

> the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person.

>

>

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In your case, there's no need to.

Roni

<res075oh@...> wrote:

I feel good and my labs are good so I don't have a lot of incentive to

experiment.

> Re: Hair loss

>

>

>

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

>

> sweetenloe1

>

>

> Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:25 pm (PDT)

>

> I did not do bad on synthroid, however, I do better on Armour. After

> having a baby I got really sick because I wasn't on enough meds so that's

> when I decided to try Armour.

> You can't compare til you have used both. I say you try Armour for six

> months and see how better you feel.

> Cw

>

> -- Re: Hair loss

>

> Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no

> problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other

> medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3

> conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not

> do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much

> higher.

>

> Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard

> procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's

> called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you

> get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over

> the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person.

>

>

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In your case, there's no need to.

Roni

<res075oh@...> wrote:

I feel good and my labs are good so I don't have a lot of incentive to

experiment.

> Re: Hair loss

>

>

>

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

>

> sweetenloe1

>

>

> Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:25 pm (PDT)

>

> I did not do bad on synthroid, however, I do better on Armour. After

> having a baby I got really sick because I wasn't on enough meds so that's

> when I decided to try Armour.

> You can't compare til you have used both. I say you try Armour for six

> months and see how better you feel.

> Cw

>

> -- Re: Hair loss

>

> Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no

> problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other

> medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3

> conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not

> do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much

> higher.

>

> Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard

> procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's

> called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you

> get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over

> the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person.

>

>

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you may have higher testosterone levels, I would check them out. also, excessive

facial hair can be genetic and run in families.

laser therapy does work to eliminate facial hair. I have used it on my derm

patients.

nancie

From: le

Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:46 PM

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Subject: RE: Re: Hair loss

Hum, True, however, I started having it as a teen.

Dusty <dusty@...> wrote: Don't forget that facial hair comes

with age for women - as their hormones

change in perimenopause and menopause.

Dusty

Re: Re: Hair loss

Jumping back in here...I am going with adrenal issues. I have had facial

hair with no ability to chalk it up to PCOS (never qualified for that

diagnosis, thankfully). I thought I read somewhere adrenal issues or

cortisol too high or too low can be a cause of hirsutism?? My gut says the

dose is close to right but my body is not getting the full benefits because

I have most likely Hashi's and being so poorly and late in life diagnosed,

adrenal issues. I will see tomorrow how this plays out. Laundry list of labs

to demand would be appreciated!

Dani

Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> > wrote:

OK but I think you actually have some other issues, like low adrenals and

iodine deficiency. if that is true you will see other probs from not enough

Armour.

Gracia

Gracia,

Do you remember when and I were going back and forth with

posts regarding hair loss? We were both experiencing hair loss and I

believe she found out that too much can give hair loss. The doctor I

was seeing at the time which several of you questioned his actions

about dosage, told me it was from not enough meds. Well, I am seeing

a different doctor now and I have reduced my Armour to 2 grains 4 days

and 3 grains 3 days a week ( I know you do not understand slitting

like this but because I am SO sensitive to drugs this is what is

working for me) Anyway, since I have reduced the Armour, I do not have

half the hair loss I was experiencing. I was taking 3 grains 4 days a

week and 2 1/2 grains 3 days a week. Just letting you know what I

have experienced since lowering my dose.

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Thank you! I had testosterone drawn today.

I did find out that my TSH came back .070 and F T4 came back .51!

Not sure what to make of this.

nancie barnett <deifspirit@...> wrote:

you may have higher testosterone levels, I would check them out. also,

excessive facial hair can be genetic and run in families.

laser therapy does work to eliminate facial hair. I have used it on my derm

patients.

nancie

From: le

Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 7:46 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: RE: Re: Hair loss

Hum, True, however, I started having it as a teen.

Dusty <dusty@...> wrote: Don't forget that facial hair comes

with age for women - as their hormones

change in perimenopause and menopause.

Dusty

Re: Re: Hair loss

Jumping back in here...I am going with adrenal issues. I have had facial

hair with no ability to chalk it up to PCOS (never qualified for that

diagnosis, thankfully). I thought I read somewhere adrenal issues or

cortisol too high or too low can be a cause of hirsutism?? My gut says the

dose is close to right but my body is not getting the full benefits because

I have most likely Hashi's and being so poorly and late in life diagnosed,

adrenal issues. I will see tomorrow how this plays out. Laundry list of labs

to demand would be appreciated!

Dani

Gracia <circe@... <mailto:circe%40gwi.net> > wrote:

OK but I think you actually have some other issues, like low adrenals and

iodine deficiency. if that is true you will see other probs from not enough

Armour.

Gracia

Gracia,

Do you remember when and I were going back and forth with

posts regarding hair loss? We were both experiencing hair loss and I

believe she found out that too much can give hair loss. The doctor I

was seeing at the time which several of you questioned his actions

about dosage, told me it was from not enough meds. Well, I am seeing

a different doctor now and I have reduced my Armour to 2 grains 4 days

and 3 grains 3 days a week ( I know you do not understand slitting

like this but because I am SO sensitive to drugs this is what is

working for me) Anyway, since I have reduced the Armour, I do not have

half the hair loss I was experiencing. I was taking 3 grains 4 days a

week and 2 1/2 grains 3 days a week. Just letting you know what I

have experienced since lowering my dose.

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Synthroid has to be titrated; as I pointed out [see below]. And I quite

agree that Armour is not scary; I would have no objection to taking it

if I saw any probably benefit.

What IS scary to me is that a lot of people who do not seem to do well

on Synthroid [and thus go to Armour] also seem to often have a plethora

of problems in getting proper care for the symptoms that they associate

with hypothyroidism. It really seems to me that their problem is/are

sometimes something more than hypothyroidism; and the total cause seems

indeterminate. What makes it even more difficult is that many if not

most hormones interact, so it is difficult or impossible to determine

the root cause [or causes] of the problems. One thing I MOL strongly

suspect [but cannot prove] is that often the lack of proper treatment in

the early stages of hypothyroidism may lead to damages to the system

which means that standard treatment may be less effective or not

effective at all for relief of symptoms and quality of life. There

seems to me to be anecdotal evidence that where this happens then the

standard for treatment of hypothyroidism [which is TSH levels within

accepted norms] is no longer a sufficient measure for a lot of people.

Thus we find people swearing that they cannot feel well until TSH is

almost down to zero; which technically I guess makes they hyperthyroid.

Gracia's solution is simple: 6600% of the possible toxic level of

iodine per day; adrenal support; plus DHEA [or whatever]. Seems to work

for her but I remain unconvinced that is a typical response to that

level and kind of chemicals into the typical body.

To Chuck: From the scientific viewpoint my speculation amounts to

somewhat less than a solid hypothesis; but I'd be interested if you see

where any of my reasoning is invalid, or ruled out by peer reviewed

research or literature.

>

> Re: Hair loss

>

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jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwNzkxMzc5MQ-->

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>

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hair%20loss>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

>

> Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:37 pm (PDT)

>

> Synthroid has to be titrated too. No matter what, if your replacing lost

> hormone you have to find out how much was lost so you can replace it. I

> take Armour and do not use iodine or cortisol. Plenty of people withOUT

> thyroid problems can have adrenal issues. Armour has nothing to do with

> having to increase over and over or taking supplements. Armour is NOT

> scary!

> cw

>

> -- Re: Hair loss

>

> Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no

> problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other

> medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3

> conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not

> do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much

> higher.

>

> Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard

> procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's

> called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you

> get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over

> the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person.

>

>

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I think Chuck had said in order to get peer reviewed the literature had to go

through a presentation and process. I believe that this lengthy process would

discourage many from embarking upon this endeavor.

I think your analysis is pretty spot on, but I'd like to add something to the

mix. It is my observation over the years that women don't get treated with the

same respect and care that men do, and that because of this, many things that

women bring up to their doctors are not even dealt with at all, let alone

seriously pursued.

I feel that this has much to do with the multiple symptoms hypothyroid women

report, compared to men.

Roni

<res075oh@...> wrote:

Synthroid has to be titrated; as I pointed out [see below]. And I quite

agree that Armour is not scary; I would have no objection to taking it

if I saw any probably benefit.

What IS scary to me is that a lot of people who do not seem to do well

on Synthroid [and thus go to Armour] also seem to often have a plethora

of problems in getting proper care for the symptoms that they associate

with hypothyroidism. It really seems to me that their problem is/are

sometimes something more than hypothyroidism; and the total cause seems

indeterminate. What makes it even more difficult is that many if not

most hormones interact, so it is difficult or impossible to determine

the root cause [or causes] of the problems. One thing I MOL strongly

suspect [but cannot prove] is that often the lack of proper treatment in

the early stages of hypothyroidism may lead to damages to the system

which means that standard treatment may be less effective or not

effective at all for relief of symptoms and quality of life. There

seems to me to be anecdotal evidence that where this happens then the

standard for treatment of hypothyroidism [which is TSH levels within

accepted norms] is no longer a sufficient measure for a lot of people.

Thus we find people swearing that they cannot feel well until TSH is

almost down to zero; which technically I guess makes they hyperthyroid.

Gracia's solution is simple: 6600% of the possible toxic level of

iodine per day; adrenal support; plus DHEA [or whatever]. Seems to work

for her but I remain unconvinced that is a typical response to that

level and kind of chemicals into the typical body.

To Chuck: From the scientific viewpoint my speculation amounts to

somewhat less than a solid hypothesis; but I'd be interested if you see

where any of my reasoning is invalid, or ruled out by peer reviewed

research or literature.

>

> Re: Hair loss

>

>

>

>

> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

>

> sweetenloe1

>

>

> Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:37 pm (PDT)

>

> Synthroid has to be titrated too. No matter what, if your replacing lost

> hormone you have to find out how much was lost so you can replace it. I

> take Armour and do not use iodine or cortisol. Plenty of people withOUT

> thyroid problems can have adrenal issues. Armour has nothing to do with

> having to increase over and over or taking supplements. Armour is NOT

> scary!

> cw

>

> -- Re: Hair loss

>

> Synthroid is well accepted and works well for most people. I have no

> problem with it whatsoever; nor does Chuck AFAIK. Armour or some other

> medication with T3 would be preferred for anyone who has a T4 to T3

> conversion problem; as well as a small percentage of others who do not

> do well with Synthroid. On this list that percentage is obviously much

> higher.

>

> Starting low and increasing the dosage slowly has been the standard

> procedure for many years, whether you're on Armour or Synthroid. It's

> called " titration " I believe. The purpose of that is to see that you

> get enough medication to treat hypothyroidism without pushing you over

> the line into hyperthyroidism. It varies from person to person.

>

>

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You wrote:

> ...One thing I MOL strongly

> suspect [but cannot prove] is that often the lack of proper treatment in

> the early stages of hypothyroidism may lead to damages to the system

> which means that standard treatment may be less effective or not

> effective at all for relief of symptoms and quality of life. ...

> Thus we find people swearing that they cannot feel well until TSH is

> almost down to zero; which technically I guess makes they hyperthyroid.

>

> To Chuck: From the scientific viewpoint my speculation amounts to

> somewhat less than a solid hypothesis; but I'd be interested if you see

> where any of my reasoning is invalid, or ruled out by peer reviewed

> research or literature.

My own doctor agrees with you, at least partly. He says when there is

long term damage, the TSH refuses go down, even with very large doses.

My impression is that people that only feel well with a TSH below 0.3

are always on a T3 medication, which causes the pituitary to shut off

due to the repeated spike in T3 levels. Whether that can be harmful has

not be proven. However, if TSH is pushed below range by T4 medication,

that HAS been demonstrated to change both the heart and bones adversely.

Chuck

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