iodine

[Guest guest]

It is typical in large double blind studies for some fraction of the

group receiving a sugar pill [or some other placebo] to report

improvement equal to or greater than the medicine under test. Sometimes

this fraction reaches to 1/4 or 1/3 of the subjects receiving the

placebo. It wouldn't matter whether the product being tested was iodine

or any other typical medicine.

This result is so well known that we have all probably heard of the

" placebo effect " . I guess self deception is only one of the possible

elements. It is rather difficult for us lay people to understand when a

person with cancer is given a sugar pill and improves greatly, but it

happens.

> .

>

>

> Re: Iodine

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> ebradi3951 <ebradi3951>

>

>

> Thu Jul 5, 2007 2:53 pm (PST)

>

> Chuck-

>

> Well then this self deception sure is working out well for them! I should

> have thought of that before, I could have saved a whole lot of money just

> convincing myself that synthroid was great and maybe even that I don't

> have a

> thyroid problem at all. :-)

>

>

>

> ,

>

> You wrote:

> >

> > ... for some people that may even be true for iodine, it's not

> > like they would lie about the bennefits they are getting from it, ya

> > know? ...

>

> There is a reason why clinical trials ALWAYS use a double blind format.

> People have a well known capacity for self deception, among other things.

>

> Chuck

[Guest guest]

, I am interested in what you do. Who you are, etc. We kinda

learned about Chuck not too long ago, help us put something to your name.

Crystal

> > >

> > > ... for some people that may even be true for iodine, it's not

> > > like they would lie about the bennefits they are getting from it, ya

> > > know? ...

> >

> > There is a reason why clinical trials ALWAYS use a double blind

format.

> > People have a well known capacity for self deception, among other

things.

> >

> > Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sweenenloe1. I just posted a tiny bit. I'm male, 66, retired, and

according to my TSH results found in a routine checkup a year of so ago

am hypothyroid. I'm married, and when I told my wife the doc says I'm

hypo she exploded: " You CAN'T be hypo! If anything, everything about

you reads hypEr! " Well, she's much more health conscious than I, but

with high and increasing TSH it's difficult to argue with the doc.

Especially when I don't have any health problems of the nature so many

here have with hypothyroidism. I've mentioned more than once that I

_do_ feel out of place here; considering how none existent are my hypo

symptoms and how truly horrible are those of some here.

I did work in a technical field, but am not a scientist nor do I have

any kind of college degree; just a couple of years of engineering.

Actually, probably most of my education came from reading literally

thousands of books.

A number of years back I developed an interest in science [quantum

mechanics, relativity, cosmology, and so on]. I was on the Physics and

Science BBS's before the web became popular. I've read many books on

these subjects; for the most part written for those on the lay level.

I'm here to learn; partially in case something does fall of the track

and my hypo becomes a problem. I'm also glad to help when I can. I

hurt when I see nice people hurting. I worry a lot when see nice people

desperate for help enough to take something like iodine in levels 333

times higher than the normal recommended levels. I worry even more when

this is repeatedly recommended to others; especially when done with no

warning to go slow. I guess I became paranoid on the subject of iodine

when my sister almost died from one bite of lobster; although I believe

Chuck told me that's not from a typical iodine reaction.

If I had the problems some here do I believe that I would be CAUTIOUSLY

experimenting with larger doses of iodine. But even if it worked for me

I would not recommend it to others without caveat. I would simply

report my results, and caution anyone to research and exercise due caution.

Probably far more than you wanted to know...

Luck,

>

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> Posted by: " sweetenloe1 " sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Iodine>

> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

>

> Fri Jul 6, 2007 12:57 pm (PST)

>

> , I am interested in what you do. Who you are, etc. We kinda

> learned about Chuck not too long ago, help us put something to your name.

> Crystal

>

> >

> > It is typical in large double blind studies for some fraction of the

> > group receiving a sugar pill [or some other placebo] to report

> > improvement equal to or greater than the medicine under test.

> Sometimes

> > this fraction reaches to 1/4 or 1/3 of the subjects receiving the

> > placebo. It wouldn't matter whether the product being tested was

> iodine

> > or any other typical medicine.

> >

> > This result is so well known that we have all probably heard of the

> > " placebo effect " . I guess self deception is only one of the possible

> > elements. It is rather difficult for us lay people to understand

> when a

> > person with cancer is given a sugar pill and improves greatly, but it

> > happens.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

it's not too much info. maybe its the mother hen in me that always

wants to know about others. my hubby says i'm nosy. but whatevr you

may call it, i aint-a-changin! thanks.

> > >

> > > It is typical in large double blind studies for some fraction of the

> > > group receiving a sugar pill [or some other placebo] to report

> > > improvement equal to or greater than the medicine under test.

> > Sometimes

> > > this fraction reaches to 1/4 or 1/3 of the subjects receiving the

> > > placebo. It wouldn't matter whether the product being tested was

> > iodine

> > > or any other typical medicine.

> > >

> > > This result is so well known that we have all probably heard of the

> > > " placebo effect " . I guess self deception is only one of the possible

> > > elements. It is rather difficult for us lay people to understand

> > when a

> > > person with cancer is given a sugar pill and improves greatly,

but it

> > > happens.

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

? TSH can be affected by other things, like adrenal hormones,

infection, illness, and the like. Did you also have the Free T3 and

Free T4, plus antibodies tests run, just to be sure? Sometimes it

doesn't make sense to put all your eggs in one basket. Hey, what if

it was just that your progesterone was a bit too low.... Every had

the canaryclub.org saliva panel done? It's VERY telling, even for

men.

Sometimes ya gotta use a little more pressure to get these med dudes

to look further into things. I've found the use of a spikey caveman

club to be quite effective. <wink>

Sam

(Friday night - times to go out and party)

> > >

> > > It is typical in large double blind studies for some fraction

of the

> > > group receiving a sugar pill [or some other placebo] to report

> > > improvement equal to or greater than the medicine under test.

> > Sometimes

> > > this fraction reaches to 1/4 or 1/3 of the subjects receiving

the

> > > placebo. It wouldn't matter whether the product being tested was

> > iodine

> > > or any other typical medicine.

> > >

> > > This result is so well known that we have all probably heard of

the

> > > " placebo effect " . I guess self deception is only one of the

possible

> > > elements. It is rather difficult for us lay people to understand

> > when a

> > > person with cancer is given a sugar pill and improves greatly,

but it

> > > happens.

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

[Guest guest]

I had everything checked I could think of, including adrenals. I think

the antibodies were run. Every thing came back normal, except for the

elevated TSH.

I also have had phantosmia for the past 2 or 3 years [which is phantom

smells]. Phantosmia, as well as elevated TSH, can be caused by a

pituitary problem such as a tumor. So I had an MRI [or was it cat

scan???], which was also normal. IMHO a pituitary tumor should be ruled

out when one has elevated TSH but no hypo symptoms; as is my case.

Especially since I have the second symptom of a possible pituitary tumor

[phantosmia].

I haven't had any blood work done yet this year. My heart doctor, who

has me on Lipitor, has a complete CRP done each year; as well as

checking my liver. When he orders that this year I will again ask my

regular doctor to add the bloodwork for TSH and the other thyroid

indicators.

I've never done the canaryclub.org saliva panel, and am not familiar

with it. But IIRC my testosterone was normal.

Hope your partying was fun... We went out to dinner and I ate about a

week's worth of calories and fat grams. Then later I read until about

4:00 AM. Strange world, Dune...

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> Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

> <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Iodine>

> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

>

> Fri Jul 6, 2007 8:20 pm (PST)

>

> ? TSH can be affected by other things, like adrenal hormones,

> infection, illness, and the like. Did you also have the Free T3 and

> Free T4, plus antibodies tests run, just to be sure? Sometimes it

> doesn't make sense to put all your eggs in one basket. Hey, what if

> it was just that your progesterone was a bit too low.... Every had

> the canaryclub.org saliva panel done? It's VERY telling, even for

> men.

>

> Sometimes ya gotta use a little more pressure to get these med dudes

> to look further into things. I've found the use of a spikey caveman

> club to be quite effective. <wink>

>

> Sam

> (Friday night - times to go out and party)

[Guest guest]

By " normal " you mean you looked at where each thing was in it's

respective range and were ok with that, I hope. Aren't I a suspicious

little thing? <grin>

Phantosmia? Phantom smells? Anything odd in the sinuses/tongue/mouth?

Has this resolved on synthroid? (my creepy landlord " is " a phamtom

smell...oops sorry).

The www.canaryclub.org saliva panel is for thyroid/cortisol/dhea/sex

hormones. I have done that along with bloods and the saliva panel

absolutely reflected how I felt physically, whereas my bloods made my

docs' heads explode on impact. BUT, I had these done previous to my

starting Iodoral at the recommended orthoiodosupplemtation dose

(recommended by the iodine docs as per their successes).

If one feels good, is non-symptomatic, that's the whole point,

regardless. Right?

[My partying was a bit boring (my hot/awesome BF is away). The band

was called " Bad Haggis " , and was " Heavy Metal " ...ei yi yi

Only a handful of people were there, but the lead singer, with his

remote mic, kept coming over to " ME " and asked me what I'd like to

hear him sing. I sez " Blues, blues, nothing but the blues " , so he

starts singing Jimmi Hendrix. ACK! hahaha (I am also a blues

singer/lyricist on occcccccasssssssion - I sang at a friend's party

on the 4th).]

Sam :-D

>

> I had everything checked I could think of, including adrenals. I

think

> the antibodies were run. Every thing came back normal, except for

the

> elevated TSH.

>

> I also have had phantosmia for the past 2 or 3 years [which is

phantom

> smells]. Phantosmia, as well as elevated TSH, can be caused by a

> pituitary problem such as a tumor. So I had an MRI [or was it cat

> scan???], which was also normal. IMHO a pituitary tumor should be

ruled

> out when one has elevated TSH but no hypo symptoms; as is my case.

> Especially since I have the second symptom of a possible pituitary

tumor

> [phantosmia].

>

> I haven't had any blood work done yet this year. My heart doctor,

who

> has me on Lipitor, has a complete CRP done each year; as well as

> checking my liver. When he orders that this year I will again ask

my

> regular doctor to add the bloodwork for TSH and the other thyroid

> indicators.

>

> I've never done the canaryclub.org saliva panel, and am not

familiar

> with it. But IIRC my testosterone was normal.

>

> Hope your partying was fun... We went out to dinner and I ate

about a

> week's worth of calories and fat grams. Then later I read until

about

> 4:00 AM. Strange world, Dune...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sam,

You wrote:

>

> If one feels good, is non-symptomatic, that's the whole point,

> regardless. Right?

Not to me. Many dangerous conditions involve feeling good, even better

than good. This is why they recommend regular physicals, whether you

feel well or not.

Dangerously high blood sugar, for example, can cause euphoria similar to

a stiff drink. Both hypoT and hyperT can have dangerous effects while

the victim feels fine. That is one of the concerns of chronic abuse of

Cytomel and Armour. You can feel fine while you lose your bones and

cardiac function.

apparently was at the other end of the spectrum, where he feels

fine but has the blood makeup and cardiac risk of hypoT. They ruled out

a pituitary cause of his high TSH, so that left a real but relatively

hidden thyroid insufficiency.

I actually felt pretty good, when they first found my TSH was elevated,

although I had gone to see the doctor, because of the relatively minor

problems I was having, mainly fatigue and wanting to sleep all the time.

I actually felt much worse during the titration.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sam.

..

>

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> Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

> <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Iodine>

> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

>

> Sat Jul 7, 2007 1:33 pm (PST)

>

> By " normal " you mean you looked at where each thing was in it's

> respective range and were ok with that, I hope. Aren't I a suspicious

> little thing? <grin>

..

Yes, the things with ranges were within range. The things like MRIs

were negative for any detectable abnormalities.

..

>

> Phantosmia? Phantom smells? Anything odd in the sinuses/tongue/

> mouth?

..

Nothing detectable. They did some kind of MRI or CAT scan of my

sinuses. I've completely batted zero on answers of causes.

..

> Has this resolved on synthroid? (my creepy landlord " is " a phamtom

> smell...oops sorry).

..

Nope; no response to Synthroid. I am fortunate that the phantom smells

are not the utterly horrid ones that some people get.

..

>

> The www.canaryclub.org saliva panel is for thyroid/cortisol/dhea/sex

> hormones. I have done that along with bloods and the saliva panel

> absolutely reflected how I felt physically, whereas my bloods made my

> docs' heads explode on impact. BUT, I had these done previous to my

> starting Iodoral at the recommended orthoiodosupplemtation dose

> (recommended by the iodine docs as per their successes).

>

> If one feels good, is non-symptomatic, that's the whole point,

> regardless. Right?

..

At least partially; and I guess many would give a king's ransom for that

result.

..

>

> [My partying was a bit boring (my hot/awesome BF is away). The band

> was called " Bad Haggis " , and was " Heavy Metal " ...ei yi yi

> Only a handful of people were there, but the lead singer, with his

> remote mic, kept coming over to " ME " and asked me what I'd like to

> hear him sing. I sez " Blues, blues, nothing but the blues " , so he

> starts singing Jimmi Hendrix. ACK! hahaha (I am also a blues

> singer/lyricist on occcccccasssssssion - I sang at a friend's party

> on the 4th).]

>

> Sam :-D

..

HeHe; well, Jimmy has/had some awesome licks. My July 4th jam was a

real bust. Most of the guys didn't show up. If you're gonna have

nothing but a guitarist/vocalist and a bass player they better have some

chops!

..

>

>

> >

> > I had everything checked I could think of, including adrenals. I

> think

> > the antibodies were run. Every thing came back normal, except for

> the

> > elevated TSH.

> >

> > I also have had phantosmia for the past 2 or 3 years [which is

> phantom

> > smells]. Phantosmia, as well as elevated TSH, can be caused by a

> > pituitary problem such as a tumor. So I had an MRI [or was it cat

> > scan???], which was also normal. IMHO a pituitary tumor should be

> ruled

> > out when one has elevated TSH but no hypo symptoms; as is my case.

> > Especially since I have the second symptom of a possible pituitary

> tumor

> > [phantosmia].

> >

> > I haven't had any blood work done yet this year. My heart doctor,

> who

> > has me on Lipitor, has a complete CRP done each year; as well as

> > checking my liver. When he orders that this year I will again ask

> my

> > regular doctor to add the bloodwork for TSH and the other thyroid

> > indicators.

> >

> > I've never done the canaryclub.org saliva panel, and am not

> familiar

> > with it. But IIRC my testosterone was normal.

> >

> > Hope your partying was fun... We went out to dinner and I ate

> about a

> > week's worth of calories and fat grams. Then later I read until

> about

> > 4:00 AM. Strange world, Dune...

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>>I sez " Blues, blues, nothing but the blues " , so he

>> starts singing Jimmi Hendrix. ACK! hahaha (I am also

>>a blues singer/lyricist on occcccccasssssssion - I sang

>>at a friend's party on the 4th).]

Last year that " made me " sing for 3 hours, but at least it was inside

without legal fireworks. This year the stage was surrounded by feisty

partying people, and surprisingly no one got blown up nor started any

fires.

> HeHe; well, Jimmy has/had some awesome licks. My July

> 4th jam was a real bust. Most of the guys didn't show up.

> If you're gonna have nothing but a guitarist/vocalist and

> a bass player they better have some chops!

>

>

Oh yea. Last year I needed lyrics in front of me on paper so I could

sing. So embarassing. I the middle of Ball and Chain we lost the

power and went acoustic - one guitar...

Every Tuesday in my neck of the woods, there is a blues Open Mike.

www.wildbuffalo.net (under schedule) It's incredible. I used to go up

to Vancouver Canada to Yale Town for the blues, but this Open Mike

down here is far superior and at the very least equal to what I

remember listening to at the old Filmore in SF back in the early

70's.

This thyroid thing I went thru really messed up my voice more than it

was, and, oddly, I forgot how to read music and play the flute and

piano. I'm re-teaching myself, tho. I really had to work hard on the

vocal chords...I'm still a bit gravelly and sometime just cut out

completely. But I sound great in the shower...

Ok, it's Saturday and time to party....

Sam

[Guest guest]

what? I never heard of such a thing as chronic abuse of Armour. why would

someone take what they don't need? They just wouldn't be feeling good.

gracia

That is one of the concerns of chronic abuse of

Cytomel and Armour. You can feel fine while you lose your bones and

cardiac function.

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Sam, I kinda get the feeling there are gonna be fireworks wherever you

happen to be! [ggg]

> .

>

>

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> Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

> <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Iodine>

> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

>

> Sat Jul 7, 2007 6:35 pm (PST)

>

> >>I sez " Blues, blues, nothing but the blues " , so he

> >> starts singing Jimmi Hendrix. ACK! hahaha (I am also

> >>a blues singer/lyricist on occcccccasssssssion - I sang

> >>at a friend's party on the 4th).]

>

> Last year that " made me " sing for 3 hours, but at least it was inside

> without legal fireworks. This year the stage was surrounded by feisty

> partying people, and surprisingly no one got blown up nor started any

> fires.

>

> > HeHe; well, Jimmy has/had some awesome licks. My July

> > 4th jam was a real bust. Most of the guys didn't show up.

> > If you're gonna have nothing but a guitarist/vocalist and

> > a bass player they better have some chops!

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have noted that the brand of iodine tabs recommended here are pretty

expensive. Why would potassium iodine have to be expensive?

Is this stuff any good? Are they not all the same?

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/WIN101-789-1393.html

Neil

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this sure is cheap. I think you want iodine/iodide though.

Gracia

>I have noted that the brand of iodine tabs recommended here are pretty

> expensive. Why would potassium iodine have to be expensive?

>

> Is this stuff any good? Are they not all the same?

>

> http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/WIN101-789-1393.html

>

> Neil

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[Guest guest]

Hello everyone, as some of you know I have been experimenting with standard

process iodine. I have only been taking it for a couple of days now ... maybe

4? I took 3 mg first day, 6 the 2nd, 9 the 3rd and then 15 mg last night. I

haven't felt much of a difference. Perhaps my skin is clearer and my meds

affect me a bit more strongly, but that is about it thus far. Perhaps I will

keep

increasing until I run out, and if nothing life changing has happened before

then, I just won't buy any more.

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,

Couldn't it possibly be affecting you in ways that you may not be aware. I

believe you are

not under a doctors care. Can you get tested to make sure all is normal and no

damage is

being done. I know Gracia may not appreciate my comment but I am still not

convinced

iodine is the way to go for Hashi's and I have read and read. I look forward to

your

postings regarding this and wish you well.

Venizia

>

> Hello everyone, as some of you know I have been experimenting with standard

> process iodine. I have only been taking it for a couple of days now ...

maybe

> 4? I took 3 mg first day, 6 the 2nd, 9 the 3rd and then 15 mg last night. I

> haven't felt much of a difference. Perhaps my skin is clearer and my meds

> affect me a bit more strongly, but that is about it thus far. Perhaps I will

keep

> increasing until I run out, and if nothing life changing has happened before

> then, I just won't buy any more.

>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think you will see some amazing results if you try Iodoral 25mg 2X a day. I

order mine from Willners in NYC. They have bottles of 90 and 180. Iodoral is

iodine/iodide.

Gracia

Hello everyone, as some of you know I have been experimenting with standard

process iodine. I have only been taking it for a couple of days now ... maybe

4? I took 3 mg first day, 6 the 2nd, 9 the 3rd and then 15 mg last night. I

haven't felt much of a difference. Perhaps my skin is clearer and my meds

affect me a bit more strongly, but that is about it thus far. Perhaps I will

keep

increasing until I run out, and if nothing life changing has happened before

then, I just won't buy any more.

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Get the same effect from Lugol's?

_____

From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Gracia

Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:56 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: Iodine

I think you will see some amazing results if you try Iodoral 25mg 2X a day.

I order mine from Willners in NYC. They have bottles of 90 and 180. Iodoral

is iodine/iodide.

Gracia

Hello everyone, as some of you know I have been experimenting with standard

process iodine. I have only been taking it for a couple of days now ...

maybe

4? I took 3 mg first day, 6 the 2nd, 9 the 3rd and then 15 mg last night. I

haven't felt much of a difference. Perhaps my skin is clearer and my meds

affect me a bit more strongly, but that is about it thus far. Perhaps I will

keep

increasing until I run out, and if nothing life changing has happened before

then, I just won't buy any more.

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[Guest guest]

yes

Iodoral is Lugols in pill form.

Gracia

Get the same effect from Lugol's?

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From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Gracia

Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:56 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: Iodine

I think you will see some amazing results if you try Iodoral 25mg 2X a day.

I order mine from Willners in NYC. They have bottles of 90 and 180. Iodoral

is iodine/iodide.

Gracia

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Roni (is your first name macaroni?)

did you really just send this to iodine group?

wooohooo

you might get an earful.

as I wrote b4, Shomon is now working with Dr. Brownstein on her own

iodine deficiency, so I think this will be removed from her website soon.

I am glad if you joined the iodine group b/c it is good and more science

oriented.

Gracia

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How did you guess? Yes I sent this, because I would really like to have to

definitive

information on this subject.

Roni

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

Roni (is your first name macaroni?)

did you really just send this to iodine group?

wooohooo

you might get an earful.

as I wrote b4, Shomon is now working with Dr. Brownstein on her own iodine

deficiency, so I think this will be removed from her website soon.

I am glad if you joined the iodine group b/c it is good and more science

oriented.

Gracia

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Perhaps iodine gives people more energy, makes them feel better, etc. but

maybe that isn't from a defficiency at all. If someone who wasn't defficient in

b12 were to get a b12 shot, they would probably have more energy, and feel

" better " for a while. Just because you feel better on a certain substance, that

doesn't equal defficient. In terms of b12, taking larger doses than

recommended (to my understanding) don't cause terrible side effects for quite

some time

until things like loss of vision occurr.

Peace,

P.S. I don't mean to sound like I am picking on people for their beliefs. I

am totally down with new things and ways of thinking ... some of it just

doesn't add up for me.

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I wonder if that result is permanent. My mother definitely had headaches,

agitation,

and altered perceptions.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Sam and Gracia,

I came across the following citations today: " Headache, dizziness and

delirium have been reported in severe iodine intoxications. Altered

sensorium (agitation, confusion, hallucinations)

have occurred in association with elevated serum iodine concentrations,

(Alvarez, 1979; Gosselin et al., 1984). Continued administration of

iodine may lead to mental depression, nervousness and insomnia

(Reynolds, 1989). "

Alvarez E (1979) Neutropenia in a burn patient being treated

topically with povidone-iodine foam. Plastic Reconstr Surg,

63: 839-840.

Gosselin RE, RP, & Hodge HC (1984) Iodine: Clinical

toxicology of commercial products. Fifth Edition, Baltimore,

and Wilkins.

Reynolds JEF ed. (1989) dale, the extra pharmacopoeia,

29th ed. London, The Pharmaceutical Press, pp 1184-1186.

This explains a lot, especially the part about confusion and

hallucinations.

Chuck

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You will need to cite the specific sections in these articles and

links to them.

In going thru the first article, and I found it here:

http://www.inchem.org/documents/pims/pharm/iodine.htm

(Looks like there's reference to Wolff & Chaikoff <rolling eyes>)

The first parts talk about iodine in caustic strengths in

applications other than curative (disinfectants, etc).

They also talk about radioactive idine in this article as well.

And there's some interesting things there as well:

In section 4.2 Therapeutic dosage, " Therapeutic dose range is 50 to

150 mg/day but up to 500 mg of iodine per day is often used, (Haynes,

1990). " And under 'Cough mixture' in the same section, " Potassium

iodide aqueous expectorant is given at a dose of 300 mg every 6

hours. (Haynes, 1990) " And also in teh same section

under 'Purification of drinking water' " In case of emergencies, 5 to

10 drops of tincture to a quart of water is both amoebicidal and

bactericidal (Osol, 1980). "

Now in section 5, under '5. ROUTES OF ENTRY' it says " Toxic effects

in humans can occur via accidental or suicidal poisonings, (Gosselin

et al., 1984). [my note: but don't list amounts] Toxic effects of

iodine compounds resulting from ingestion of seaweed, mucolytic

expectorants or X-ray contrast are reported. " In section 5.3 " Topical

iodine (especially with multiple applications) can be absorbed,

causing toxic effects. " But in section 6.1 it says " Only very small

quantities of iodine are absorbed through an intact skin, (Reynolds,

1989). In 6.2 " When taken by mouth iodine is rapidly converted to

iodide and is stored in the thyroid as thyroglobulin, (Reynolds,

1989). " [my note: uh-oh, they forgot about it also going to the rest

of the body] In section 6.5 'Elimination, by route of

exposure' " Iodine is excreted mainly in the urine, (ILO 1971) and in

smaller quantities in saliva, milk, sweat, bile and other secretions,

(Clayton & Clayton, 1981-1982). Renal iodine clearance is related to

glomerular filtration rate. Normal renal excretion is 12000 µg/day

(Hunt et al. ,1980). "

Chuck? How about something not infected with Wolff & Chaikoff BS.

I mean there was some interesting things in the first article, but

when I came to W-C I had to completely disregard the entire thing,

even tho I read the entire thing. It's sort of like dismissing

anything attached to the name Hulda .

Sam :-o

>

> Sam and Gracia,

>

> I came across the following citations today: " Headache, dizziness

and

> delirium have been reported in severe iodine intoxications.

Altered

> sensorium (agitation, confusion,

hallucinations)

> have occurred in association with elevated serum iodine

concentrations,

> (Alvarez, 1979; Gosselin et al., 1984). Continued administration of

> iodine may lead to mental depression, nervousness and insomnia

> (Reynolds, 1989). "

>

> Alvarez E (1979) Neutropenia in a burn patient being treated

> topically with povidone-iodine foam. Plastic Reconstr

Surg,

> 63: 839-840.

>

> Gosselin RE, RP, & Hodge HC (1984) Iodine: Clinical

> toxicology of commercial products. Fifth Edition,

Baltimore,

> and Wilkins.

>

> Reynolds JEF ed. (1989) dale, the extra pharmacopoeia,

> 29th ed. London, The Pharmaceutical Press, pp 1184-1186.

>

> This explains a lot, especially the part about confusion and

> hallucinations.

>

> Chuck

>

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LOL

I really love my Iodoral and companion nutrients. I think the researchers

are confused.

you have to have iodine/iodide AT THE RIGHT DOSE for it to work properly.

Gracia

I wonder if that result is permanent. My mother definitely had headaches,

agitation,

and altered perceptions.

Roni

Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

Sam and Gracia,

I came across the following citations today: " Headache, dizziness and

delirium have been reported in severe iodine intoxications. Altered

sensorium (agitation, confusion, hallucinations)

have occurred in association with elevated serum iodine concentrations,

(Alvarez, 1979; Gosselin et al., 1984). Continued administration of

iodine may lead to mental depression, nervousness and insomnia

(Reynolds, 1989). "

Alvarez E (1979) Neutropenia in a burn patient being treated

topically with povidone-iodine foam. Plastic Reconstr Surg,

63: 839-840.

Gosselin RE, RP, & Hodge HC (1984) Iodine: Clinical

toxicology of commercial products. Fifth Edition, Baltimore,

and Wilkins.

Reynolds JEF ed. (1989) dale, the extra pharmacopoeia,

29th ed. London, The Pharmaceutical Press, pp 1184-1186.

This explains a lot, especially the part about confusion and

hallucinations.

Chuck

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