Pain

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>

> Not having had pain even right after my hip surgery, I am in real pain now. I

went to PT

> yesterday and couldn't move for the rest of the day. Today I went to the pool

and although

> it seemed to help for about an hour afterward, the pain set back in and it is

miserable. I

> think for the first time I am going to have to take some tylenol or ibuprofen.

I know some

> of you have experienced the same thing, but does it last this long?

> Arianne

>

Is there any chance you could have dislocated it? I had a RTHR mid July. I had

a cementless

implant so have only been full weight bearing for about 3 weeks. My hip is more

sore than it

was before I was weight bearing, but it " recovers " by morning and does not give

me pain

when I am sitting or lying down. Good luck sorting it out!

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I don't think I dislocated it because it is sore all over, even in to my back.

It doesn't hurt

when I sit down either. Perhaps it was too my PT yesterday, followed by a big

workout at

the pool today. This is the first time I went to the pool 3 times in a week plus

PT. I also

went shopping after the pool today. Probably too much. When I got home, I

cleaned my

office then made dinner.

I think maybe I am overdoing it. That's what my hubby has been telling me. I

have been

out pruning shrubs and doing all kinds of housework too.

When I got up this morning yesterday's pain was gone, and I felt good when I

left the pool.

It didn't last long tho

Arianne

> >

> > Not having had pain even right after my hip surgery, I am in real pain now.

I went to

PT

> > yesterday and couldn't move for the rest of the day. Today I went to the

pool and

although

> > it seemed to help for about an hour afterward, the pain set back in and it

is miserable.

I

> > think for the first time I am going to have to take some tylenol or

ibuprofen. I know

some

> > of you have experienced the same thing, but does it last this long?

> > Arianne

> >

>

>

> Is there any chance you could have dislocated it? I had a RTHR mid July. I

had a

cementless

> implant so have only been full weight bearing for about 3 weeks. My hip is

more sore

than it

> was before I was weight bearing, but it " recovers " by morning and does not

give me pain

> when I am sitting or lying down. Good luck sorting it out!

>

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I think your hubby is right. You ARE overdoing it.

On Sep 22, 2006, at 7:04 PM, arianne377 wrote:

> I don't think I dislocated it because it is sore all over, even in to

> my back. It doesn't hurt

> when I sit down either. Perhaps it was too my PT yesterday, followed

> by a big workout at

> the pool today. This is the first time I went to the pool 3 times in

> a week plus PT. I also

> went shopping after the pool today. Probably too much. When I got

> home, I cleaned my

> office then made dinner.

> I think maybe I am overdoing it. That's what my hubby has been

> telling me. I have been

> out pruning shrubs and doing all kinds of housework too.

> When I got up this morning yesterday's pain was gone, and I felt good

> when I left the pool.

> It didn't last long tho

> Arianne

>

>

> > >

> > > Not having had pain even right after my hip surgery, I am in real

> pain now. I went to

> PT

> > > yesterday and couldn't move for the rest of the day. Today I went

> to the pool and

> although

> > > it seemed to help for about an hour afterward, the pain set back

> in and it is miserable.

> I

> > > think for the first time I am going to have to take some tylenol

> or ibuprofen. I know

> some

> > > of you have experienced the same thing, but does it last this

> long?

> > > Arianne

> > >

> >

> >

> > Is there any chance you could have dislocated it? I had a RTHR mid

> July. I had a

> cementless

> > implant so have only been full weight bearing for about 3 weeks. My

> hip is more sore

> than it

> > was before I was weight bearing, but it " recovers " by morning and

> does not give me pain

> > when I am sitting or lying down. Good luck sorting it out!

> >

>

>

The Will of God will never take you to where the Grace

of God will not protect you.

[Guest guest]

Perhaps we should pace ourselves more. It's probably our bodies telling us to

take it easy.

Today I'm not bad. I didn't do my excercises last night as I was too sore. I

will try to take it

easier today.

Arianne

>

> Hi Arianne, For the first time I really have pain. I had my TKR Feb

> 27th, 2006. I walk my dogs one mile every night with no problem, but

> I used a cleanser and waxed my car yesterday and I can hardly move

> today. My back is killing me, not my knee. I guess I really overdid

> it. And then the rain set in; guess it was a good thing, but now the

> rain hurts my knee a bit. Can't win for losing. Lynn

>

[Guest guest]

I think the pain you've been talking about is what my OS calls

" referred pain " . He tells me that the pain in my thigh (up at

the top), knee & shin is referred pain caused by my hip--showed

me the x-ray, & the outer side of the joint has no cartilage

space left, bone-on-bone. This is on the same side I had my

RTKR on last Nov.

Doc said " Why did we do your knee first instead of the hip?? "

Well, I remember that I couldn't support myself any longer

without a cane: both knees bad & left foot/ankle collapsed. So

naturally I thought having the knee replaced would help things!

It did, until after about 5 months I started having all the pain

elsewhere.

A few weeks ago I suddenly got into a phase of acute pain in

those areas, really made me back off on walking. The muscle in

the top of my thigh can be painful enough to make me gasp at

times. I really enjoyed my trip to NYC, but had to restrict my

sight-seeing & museum-going. At first I had so much trouble

walking that I considering buying a walker, but then my daughter

helped me find some new orthopedic shoes at Eneslow's, where

they had a very good fitter (I ended up with 3 pr. of shoes for

$380! I guess at my age that's a good way to spend money?)

After that, I was able to walk with minimal discomfort, even

went to the Metropolitan Museum for an art exhibit.

I'm still in a lot of pain, though, & called for an appt. with

the OS to discuss hip replacement. Like others, I worry that

I'll do it & still have the pain! Does anyone else have

experience with referred pain from the hip? Did it mostly go

away after a THR?

Barb, aged 77, RTKR Nov. '06

Barbara Ward

Macomb County, Michigan

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[Guest guest]

Barb--

I had a similar problem. For months, I thought the pain was in my knee, and

it turned out to be " radiated " (that's what my orthopedist called it) from

my hip! The pain from the right hip was so all-encompassing just before

surgery that it wasn't until about a month and a half after surgery that I

realized the left hip was in pain, too, although the x-rays showed that both

needed replacement.

My OS's criteria for priority was, " Which one hurts more? "

Next time you're in NYC, pay a visit to the Coward Shoe Store, in the Empire

State Building, or shop online at:

http://www.cowardshoe.com/pagebuilder/HOME

I go to them every time I get to NYC, because they're one of the few places

that have a good range of triple-E width shoes.

At any rate, after two hip replacements, I get along fine, and move around

with no problems and pain kicks in only when I overdo something.

Greywolf - RTHR-2003; LTHR-2004

mdavison@...

Re: Pain

I think the pain you've been talking about is what my OS calls " referred

pain " . He tells me that the pain in my thigh (up at the top), knee & shin

is referred pain caused by my hip--showed me the x-ray, & the outer side of

the joint has no cartilage space left, bone-on-bone. This is on the same

side I had my RTKR on last Nov.

Doc said " Why did we do your knee first instead of the hip?? "

Well, I remember that I couldn't support myself any longer without a cane:

both knees bad & left foot/ankle collapsed. So naturally I thought having

the knee replaced would help things!

It did, until after about 5 months I started having all the pain elsewhere.

A few weeks ago I suddenly got into a phase of acute pain in those areas,

really made me back off on walking. The muscle in the top of my thigh can

be painful enough to make me gasp at times. I really enjoyed my trip to

NYC, but had to restrict my sight-seeing & museum-going. At first I had so

much trouble walking that I considering buying a walker, but then my

daughter helped me find some new orthopedic shoes at Eneslow's, where they

had a very good fitter (I ended up with 3 pr. of shoes for $380! I guess at

my age that's a good way to spend money?) After that, I was able to walk

with minimal discomfort, even went to the Metropolitan Museum for an art

exhibit.

I'm still in a lot of pain, though, & called for an appt. with the OS to

discuss hip replacement. Like others, I worry that I'll do it & still have

the pain! Does anyone else have experience with referred pain from the hip?

Did it mostly go away after a THR?

Barb, aged 77, RTKR Nov. '06

Barbara Ward

Macomb County, Michigan

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In a message dated 10/1/2006 7:51:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, marga132003@... writes:

gave me. I don't know if I overdid it but ouch! I tried the new meds the doctor prescribed but started vomiting them up. Any suggestions on how to deal

What did they give you?? I got terribly sick on Oxycontin, and switched to Vicodin and am doing fine.....ask to try another pain med.....PT does hurt and in my opinion, you should take the pain meds before PY and the next day you will be sore and keep taking them if you need to... but find one that doesn't make you sick...

[Guest guest]

I couldn't handle Vicodin either. Never take pain meds

on an empty stomach and always take em an hour prior

PT.

Sherry

Re: Pain

In a message dated 10/1/2006 7:51:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, marga132003 writes:

gave me. I don't know if I overdid it but ouch! I tried the new meds the doctor prescribed but started vomiting them up. Any suggestions on how to deal

What did they give you?? I got terribly sick on Oxycontin, and switched to Vicodin and am doing fine.....ask to try another pain med.....PT does hurt and in my opinion, you should take the pain meds before PY and the next day you will be sore and keep taking them if you need to... but find one that doesn't make you sick...

[Guest guest]

Do you think there is a chance that you dislocated? I think I would call my Dr's office and tell them about this. You know your body, and any time pain is that intense, it is telling you something is way off. For the most part, I think we all have felt less pain after surgery than we'd been used to feeling prior.. especially after 2 weeks.

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>

>

>Is anyone else like me! the pain is at the top of the

>head like a pulsing. I would like to hear from anyone

>like me and where do I go from here to get relief.

>Then the doc said it was post traumatic neuraliga and

>lso a shered nerve or compreseed. thanks.

>

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I had a girlfriend 10 years ago with similar problems. It was so bad

she was suicidal. She finally got relief after going to a clinic at

Hopkins in Baltimore, MD I think. Her brain was swelling and

pushing on the top of her skull. In her case it was from an

allergy. Hopefully someone here can offer something more. Dave

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Hi Annette, I'm cindy ,i do!!! i get that,all kinds of weird head

pains...from a dislocated jaw and cervical neck injury.... reverse

curve,pinched nerves you name it, but i have had the pulsing head. I

go to the chiropracter for relief, but i have to go ALL THE

TIME.that's the only thing wrong is i have to go all the time. if

you have any questions just email.Love cindy

>

> Hello everyone

>

> Suffering chronic pain in the head...

> result of an accident had mri scan and xray 3 years

> ago tried amnitriptelene and gabapentin and lyrica

> then last month sent for another xray this time

> cervical spondiloisis it wasnt there 3 years ago. I

> cannot get the pain under control and been tothe doc

> many many times. Tried acupuncture and massage. The

> tablet worked for a while the lyrica I felt great then

> gradually wore off.

>

> Is anyone else like me! the pain is at the top of the

> head like a pulsing. I would like to hear from anyone

> like me and where do I go from here to get relief.

> Then the doc said it was post traumatic neuraliga and

> lso a shered nerve or compreseed. thanks.

>

>

>

>

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Hi Annette, I'm cindy ,i do!!! i get that,all kinds of weird head

pains...from a dislocated jaw and cervical neck injury.... reverse

curve,pinched nerves you name it, but i have had the pulsing head. I

go to the chiropracter for relief, but i have to go ALL THE

TIME.that's the only thing wrong is i have to go all the time. if

you have any questions just email.Love cindy

>

> Hello everyone

>

> Suffering chronic pain in the head...

> result of an accident had mri scan and xray 3 years

> ago tried amnitriptelene and gabapentin and lyrica

> then last month sent for another xray this time

> cervical spondiloisis it wasnt there 3 years ago. I

> cannot get the pain under control and been tothe doc

> many many times. Tried acupuncture and massage. The

> tablet worked for a while the lyrica I felt great then

> gradually wore off.

>

> Is anyone else like me! the pain is at the top of the

> head like a pulsing. I would like to hear from anyone

> like me and where do I go from here to get relief.

> Then the doc said it was post traumatic neuraliga and

> lso a shered nerve or compreseed. thanks.

>

>

>

>

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Hi did you have an accident...are you on meds.

--- grasshopperx_10 <woody10@...> wrote:

> Hi Annette, I'm cindy ,i do!!! i get that,all kinds

> of weird head

> pains...from a dislocated jaw and cervical neck

> injury.... reverse

> curve,pinched nerves you name it, but i have had the

> pulsing head. I

> go to the chiropracter for relief, but i have to go

> ALL THE

> TIME.that's the only thing wrong is i have to go all

> the time. if

> you have any questions just email.Love cindy

> >

> > Hello everyone

> >

> > Suffering chronic pain in the head...

> > result of an accident had mri scan and xray 3

> years

> > ago tried amnitriptelene and gabapentin and lyrica

> > then last month sent for another xray this time

> > cervical spondiloisis it wasnt there 3 years ago.

> I

> > cannot get the pain under control and been tothe

> doc

> > many many times. Tried acupuncture and massage.

> The

> > tablet worked for a while the lyrica I felt great

> then

> > gradually wore off.

> >

> > Is anyone else like me! the pain is at the top of

> the

> > head like a pulsing. I would like to hear from

> anyone

> > like me and where do I go from here to get relief.

> > Then the doc said it was post traumatic neuraliga

> and

> > lso a shered nerve or compreseed. thanks.

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Hi Annette,it's cindy, i had a dentist dislocate my jaw and hurt my

neck, so now i have tmj and a bad bad neck...I take amitriptyline,

and i hate that.not much meds right now, just the chiro.

> > >

> > > Hello everyone

> > >

> > > Suffering chronic pain in the head...

> > > result of an accident had mri scan and xray 3

> > years

> > > ago tried amnitriptelene and gabapentin and lyrica

> > > then last month sent for another xray this time

> > > cervical spondiloisis it wasnt there 3 years ago.

> > I

> > > cannot get the pain under control and been tothe

> > doc

> > > many many times. Tried acupuncture and massage.

> > The

> > > tablet worked for a while the lyrica I felt great

> > then

> > > gradually wore off.

> > >

> > > Is anyone else like me! the pain is at the top of

> > the

> > > head like a pulsing. I would like to hear from

> > anyone

> > > like me and where do I go from here to get relief.

> > > Then the doc said it was post traumatic neuraliga

> > and

> > > lso a shered nerve or compreseed. thanks.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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i went tothe docs and gave me atablet I was ill in bed

Sunday...sick couldnt stand up head feltlike I didnt

have one I just hadcups oftea yesterdy. Annette

--- grasshopperx_10 <woody10@...> wrote:

> Hi Annette,it's cindy, i had a dentist dislocate my

> jaw and hurt my

> neck, so now i have tmj and a bad bad neck...I take

> amitriptyline,

> and i hate that.not much meds right now, just the

> chiro.

> > > >

> > > > Hello everyone

> > > >

> > > > Suffering chronic pain in the head...

> > > > result of an accident had mri scan and xray 3

> > > years

> > > > ago tried amnitriptelene and gabapentin and

> lyrica

> > > > then last month sent for another xray this

> time

> > > > cervical spondiloisis it wasnt there 3 years

> ago.

> > > I

> > > > cannot get the pain under control and been

> tothe

> > > doc

> > > > many many times. Tried acupuncture and

> massage.

> > > The

> > > > tablet worked for a while the lyrica I felt

> great

> > > then

> > > > gradually wore off.

> > > >

> > > > Is anyone else like me! the pain is at the top

> of

> > > the

> > > > head like a pulsing. I would like to hear

> from

> > > anyone

> > > > like me and where do I go from here to get

> relief.

> > > > Then the doc said it was post traumatic

> neuraliga

> > > and

> > > > lso a shered nerve or compreseed. thanks.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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I am only 3 weeks post op, but yes, I have some pain when I roll over

and I have pain when I wake up. It seems better after I get up and

move around.

-

-- In , " kayst27 " <kaystange@...>

wrote:

>

> I'm about seven weeks post revision surgery. I'm still having pain

> when I try to roll over at night. Is that normal; did that happen

> with other post-revisionists? I just thought it would be lessening

by

> now. Also, when I get up in the morning, I ache all over: legs,

hips,

> back, etc. Makes me want to get back into bed and not get up.

>

> Also feel that awful aching when I get up from a nap; it hurts

> everywhere. Takes a few minutes of walking around before things

> lessen a bit.

>

> I took Aleve for years prior to the surgery for osteoarthritis

> symptoms (hips, hands, back). I'm no longer taking it because I

> understand it interferes with fusing.

>

> I'm wondering if the aches in muscles and joints are from the

> osteoarthritis or…what. Maybe some bursa inflammation in the

> hips/thighs (bursitis). Just don't know. And I don't know who to

ask

> about it. My surgeon? My PCP?

>

> Appreciate your thoughts.

>

> Kay

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Suzanne.

The problem is that it isn’t “some” pain. It’s a lot.

That’s what’s getting to me. Seems it should be lessening…It’s

wearing me down. And I’m taking my pain meds.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of SB

Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007

1:42 PM

Subject: [ ] Re:

Pain

I am only 3 weeks post op, but yes, I have some pain

when I roll over

and I have pain when I wake up. It seems better after I get up and

move around.

-

-- In ,

" kayst27 " <kaystange@...>

wrote:

>

> I'm about seven weeks post revision surgery. I'm still having pain

> when I try to roll over at night. Is that normal; did that happen

> with other post-revisionists? I just thought it would be lessening

by

> now. Also, when I get up in the morning, I ache all over: legs,

hips,

> back, etc. Makes me want to get back into bed and not get up.

>

> Also feel that awful aching when I get up from a nap; it hurts

> everywhere. Takes a few minutes of walking around before things

> lessen a bit.

>

> I took Aleve for years prior to the surgery for osteoarthritis

> symptoms (hips, hands, back). I'm no longer taking it because I

> understand it interferes with fusing.

>

> I'm wondering if the aches in muscles and joints are from the

> osteoarthritis or…what. Maybe some bursa inflammation in the

> hips/thighs (bursitis). Just don't know. And I don't know who to

ask

> about it. My surgeon? My PCP?

>

> Appreciate your thoughts.

>

> Kay

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I guess

I’m just being a whiney hiney.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kay Stange

Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007

1:46 PM

Subject: RE: [ ]

Re: Pain

Thanks, Suzanne. The problem is that it isn’t

“some” pain. It’s a lot. That’s what’s getting to

me. Seems it should be lessening…It’s wearing me down. And

I’m taking my pain meds.

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of SB

Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007

1:42 PM

Subject: [ ] Re:

Pain

I am only

3 weeks post op, but yes, I have some pain when I roll over

and I have pain when I wake up. It seems better after I get up and

move around.

-

-- In ,

" kayst27 " <kaystange@...>

wrote:

>

> I'm about seven weeks post revision surgery. I'm still having pain

> when I try to roll over at night. Is that normal; did that happen

> with other post-revisionists? I just thought it would be lessening

by

> now. Also, when I get up in the morning, I ache all over: legs,

hips,

> back, etc. Makes me want to get back into bed and not get up.

>

> Also feel that awful aching when I get up from a nap; it hurts

> everywhere. Takes a few minutes of walking around before things

> lessen a bit.

>

> I took Aleve for years prior to the surgery for osteoarthritis

> symptoms (hips, hands, back). I'm no longer taking it because I

> understand it interferes with fusing.

>

> I'm wondering if the aches in muscles and joints are from the

> osteoarthritis or…what. Maybe some bursa inflammation in the

> hips/thighs (bursitis). Just don't know. And I don't know who to

ask

> about it. My surgeon? My PCP?

>

> Appreciate your thoughts.

>

> Kay

>

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Dear Kay,

First, I am not a doctor, and I really think you should talk to your surgeon about your pain, especially if it's in your back. Second, a lot of us post-revision had body type pain while recovering. I had been pretty bent forward for years, and when I was straightened up, I had aches and pains all over as my body adjusted to this stance. I also gained a lot of height through my torso, and that took adjustments. While at the six week mark I was off all major drugs for pain, I still had to take some med's to get me through. I was painfree at about the three month mark, but if I overdid, I took the ocassional tylenol, not for my back but body aches. I did have troubles with my shoulders once I was up driving, and had to go to physical therapy for that, and while it got rid of about 95 percent of my discomfort with my shoulders, they still can be sore when I wake up, or if the weather changes dramatically. Muscles, tendons ligaments, all have to adjust to a new body stance, and it takes time for all that to calm down. You are still very early on in your recovery, your body may still be adjusting, but if this pain is coming from your back, especially if you are having sharp pain, it's best to see your doc and have it checked out.

[ ] Pain

I'm about seven weeks post revision surgery. I'm still having pain when I try to roll over at night. Is that normal; did that happen with other post-revisionists? I just thought it would be lessening by now. Also, when I get up in the morning, I ache all over: legs, hips, back, etc. Makes me want to get back into bed and not get up. Also feel that awful aching when I get up from a nap; it hurts everywhere. Takes a few minutes of walking around before things lessen a bit.I took Aleve for years prior to the surgery for osteoarthritis symptoms (hips, hands, back). I'm no longer taking it because I understand it interferes with fusing. I'm wondering if the aches in muscles and joints are from the osteoarthritis or…what. Maybe some bursa inflammation in the hips/thighs (bursitis). Just don't know. And I don't know who to ask about it. My surgeon? My PCP? Appreciate your thoughts.Kay

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Kay,

You are not whining when you ask a question....and even if your

were...whining is allowed here!!!

I don't have any specific recollection from my recovery that sounds

like exactly what you are talking about but for what it's

worth...here are my thoughts:

You say that you notice this when you rollover...but then you say it

is exhausting you...which doesn't really make sense to me....unless

you are rolling around a lot! In other words...if you roll to a new

position and it hurts, are you saying then it doesn't subside and it

keeps you awake for the rest of the night? Are you taking your meds

on schedule, even at night?

Whatever else you end up doing...check yourself that you are very

carefully " logrolling " your whole torso & pelvis so as to not strain.

Are you still wearing your silky jammy's? You might also try a silk

(or polyester fake silk) bottom sheet. Between the jammies and sheet

it is a very slippery set up. It could stop any tugging when you are

moving at night. And, how is your mattress? Does it support you

without being too firm? If your mattress is pushing your hips up and

your spine is permanantly attached to your pelvis maybe your

positioning is causing you some pain.

For the longest time the first steps out of bed felt pretty grueling

to me..I just was stiff everywhere...stuff that never hurt

before...hips, knees...I don't know why...but I assumed it was the

combination of the new posture, the meds and lack of vigorous use of

the muscles to flush toxins away. After all, when you are resting a

good part of the day, if you have osteoarthritis you might have

noticed even before surgery that actually you were more stiff when

you didn't move around a lot.

My take on who to ask about your issue is that it is a question for

your surgeon. If something doesn't feel right or it worries

you...call! My surgeons nurse called once a week for the first 8

weeks to see what was going on. Sometimes I didn't know I had

questions until she called, but we always found things to review.

So....you paid for a surgeons time and attention and that includes

the post op period. They are the experts on what they did to you so

you should not feel funny about calling as often as you need to. If

the office staff gives you an attitude, ask to have the doctors voice

mail.

Being exhausted, if it is from new pain, can be a sign that you are

either undermedicated as you are increasing your activities or

something is amiss. If your surgeon tells you to go to your PCP then

you can always follow that advice.

Thats my $.02...and of course, as always, should not be construed as

medical advice!

Take Care, Cam

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Cam. I appreciate the feedback. You said:

For the longest time the first steps out of bed felt pretty grueling

to me..I just was stiff everywhere...stuff that never hurt

before...hips, knees...I don't know why...but I assumed it was the

combination of the new posture, the meds and lack of vigorous use of

the muscles to flush toxins away. After all, when you are resting a

good part of the day, if you have osteoarthritis you might have

noticed even before surgery that actually you were more stiff when

you didn't move around a lot.

That sounds just

about right—a close description of what I’m experiencing. Even a

short amount of down time results in my body rebelling when I get up to move

around. I know that moving around is the best course of action to take. Some

days, however, I just feel exhausted and probably “vege” too much

by reading, working puzzles, knitting, etc. Maybe that exhaustion is some

depression, too.

At night I know

I move around a lot. It wakes me often—whenever I want to roll over or

change positions. so I know I’m not getting quality sleep. Whether on the

AutoPap machine or when using a nasal strip (just to breathe) I only get about

five hours sleep each night. I’m sure that may have something to do with

it.

I think I’m

practicing the correct way to turn over though I often feel a kind of jabbing needles

and pins feeling in the lumbar area and at the top of where my rod used to be.

You’re

probably right and my body is just readjusting to its new positioning. I have a

call in to Georganne so I’ll ask her about it, too. Another doc I spoke

to didn’t seem to think Aleve would cause problems with the fusing. Not

sure what Georganne and Dr. F think yet. Haven’t asked them.

I’m

probably just experiencing osteoarthritis and its related symptoms. Wish it

could have been “removed” along with the flatback condition when

Dr. F did the surgery.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of cammaltby

Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007

3:41 PM

Subject: [ ] Re:

Pain

Kay,

You are not whining when you ask a question....and even if your

were...whining is allowed here!!!

I don't have any specific recollection from my recovery that sounds

like exactly what you are talking about but for what it's

worth...here are my thoughts:

You say that you notice this when you rollover...but then you say it

is exhausting you...which doesn't really make sense to me....unless

you are rolling around a lot! In other words...if you roll to a new

position and it hurts, are you saying then it doesn't subside and it

keeps you awake for the rest of the night? Are you taking your meds

on schedule, even at night?

Whatever else you end up doing...check yourself that you are very

carefully " logrolling " your whole torso & pelvis so as to not

strain.

Are you still wearing your silky jammy's? You might also try a silk

(or polyester fake silk) bottom sheet. Between the jammies and sheet

it is a very slippery set up. It could stop any tugging when you are

moving at night. And, how is your mattress? Does it support you

without being too firm? If your mattress is pushing your hips up and

your spine is permanantly attached to your pelvis maybe your

positioning is causing you some pain.

For the longest time the first steps out of bed felt pretty grueling

to me..I just was stiff everywhere...stuff that never hurt

before...hips, knees...I don't know why...but I assumed it was the

combination of the new posture, the meds and lack of vigorous use of

the muscles to flush toxins away. After all, when you are resting a

good part of the day, if you have osteoarthritis you might have

noticed even before surgery that actually you were more stiff when

you didn't move around a lot.

My take on who to ask about your issue is that it is a question for

your surgeon. If something doesn't feel right or it worries

you...call! My surgeons nurse called once a week for the first 8

weeks to see what was going on. Sometimes I didn't know I had

questions until she called, but we always found things to review.

So....you paid for a surgeons time and attention and that includes

the post op period. They are the experts on what they did to you so

you should not feel funny about calling as often as you need to. If

the office staff gives you an attitude, ask to have the doctors voice

mail.

Being exhausted, if it is from new pain, can be a sign that you are

either undermedicated as you are increasing your activities or

something is amiss. If your surgeon tells you to go to your PCP then

you can always follow that advice.

Thats my $.02...and of course, as always, should not be construed as

medical advice!

Take Care, Cam

[Guest guest]

Thanks, .

Maybe I should try some Tylenol since I can’t do the Aleve. And I never

took them together because I’d always heard that was a no-no. Saw an ad

just recently that Tylenol now offers arthritis medication. Will be talking to Georganne shortly to ask her

about all this. I just posted a response to Cam so won’t rewrite that

content here, but I think you’re right—my body is doing some

readjusting after years of being “hung” differently. I also know I’m

not getting enough sleep and there may be dome depression going on, too. I

neeeeeeeed sleep. By the way, what you wrote about your shoulders sounds

familiar. I hesitated to mention that in my list of complaints because I

thought it was just too much. But your description (like Cam’s

of her aches and pains) fit me, too. Can’t believe how sore they can be

when I first get up, but then after about five minutes of moving around, they’re

fine.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kirkaldie

Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007

2:51 PM

Subject: Re: [ ]

Pain

Dear Kay,

First, I am not a doctor, and I really think you should talk

to your surgeon about your pain, especially if it's in your back. Second, a lot

of us post-revision had body type pain while recovering. I had been pretty bent

forward for years, and when I was straightened up, I had aches and pains all

over as my body adjusted to this stance. I also gained a lot of height through

my torso, and that took adjustments. While at the six week mark I was off all

major drugs for pain, I still had to take some med's to get me through. I was

painfree at about the three month mark, but if I overdid, I took the ocassional

tylenol, not for my back but body aches. I did have troubles with my

shoulders once I was up driving, and had to go to physical therapy for that,

and while it got rid of about 95 percent of my discomfort with my shoulders,

they still can be sore when I wake up, or if the weather changes dramatically.

Muscles, tendons ligaments, all have to adjust to a new body stance, and it

takes time for all that to calm down. You are still very early on in your

recovery, your body may still be adjusting, but if this pain is coming from

your back, especially if you are having sharp pain, it's best to see your doc

and have it checked out.

[ ]

Pain

I'm about seven weeks post revision surgery. I'm still

having pain

when I try to roll over at night. Is that normal; did that happen

with other post-revisionists? I just thought it would be lessening by

now. Also, when I get up in the morning, I ache all over: legs, hips,

back, etc. Makes me want to get back into bed and not get up.

Also feel that awful aching when I get up from a nap; it hurts

everywhere. Takes a few minutes of walking around before things

lessen a bit.

I took Aleve for years prior to the surgery for osteoarthritis

symptoms (hips, hands, back). I'm no longer taking it because I

understand it interferes with fusing.

I'm wondering if the aches in muscles and joints are from the

osteoarthritis or…what. Maybe some bursa inflammation in the

hips/thighs (bursitis). Just don't know. And I don't know who to ask

about it. My surgeon? My PCP?

Appreciate your thoughts.

Kay

[Guest guest]

Dear Kay,

Cam makes a very valid point, despite taking the med's prescribed, you maybe undermedicated. Sometimes pain med's, what you get and how you take them needs to be tweeked. Doc's need to be told that med's aren't handling the pain, so changes can be made.

Dr. Kumar told me this story about a patient he had. She had surgery and in the hospital around the time I did, and they tried med after med trying to resolve her pain, nothing worked, all the normal stuff we are given for post-op pain, the oxy's and the whole other lot we hear about people getting while in the hospital. They changed dosages everything, nothing worked. Then he decided to take a step back down the pain med chart, and gave her something he said was equivelent to asprin in strenght( no one should take asprin following fusions), and low and behold she got relief from it, so it goes to show that not all bodies are the same or react to med's in the same way. What works for me might not for you, and you need to be speaking to your doc about the pain and have your med's adjusted. Know that many here need medication for awhile after this surgery, and some may need it long after a few months. You can't feel bad because you are still painful, it's a big surgery, with a ton of bone work, and then your body has to adjust to all that happened to it. Unfortunately this recovery just takes time, but you need to let your doc work with you to help you with the pain, and I'm hoping with some adjustments this will all come around.

RE: [ ] Re: Pain

Thanks, Cam. I appreciate the feedback. You said:

For the longest time the first steps out of bed felt pretty grueling to me..I just was stiff everywhere...stuff that never hurt before...hips, knees...I don't know why...but I assumed it was the combination of the new posture, the meds and lack of vigorous use of the muscles to flush toxins away. After all, when you are resting a good part of the day, if you have osteoarthritis you might have noticed even before surgery that actually you were more stiff when you didn't move around a lot.

That sounds just about right—a close description of what I’m experiencing. Even a short amount of down time results in my body rebelling when I get up to move around. I know that moving around is the best course of action to take. Some days, however, I just feel exhausted and probably “vege” too much by reading, working puzzles, knitting, etc. Maybe that exhaustion is some depression, too.

At night I know I move around a lot. It wakes me often—whenever I want to roll over or change positions. so I know I’m not getting quality sleep. Whether on the AutoPap machine or when using a nasal strip (just to breathe) I only get about five hours sleep each night. I’m sure that may have something to do with it.

I think I’m practicing the correct way to turn over though I often feel a kind of jabbing needles and pins feeling in the lumbar area and at the top of where my rod used to be.

You’re probably right and my body is just readjusting to its new positioning. I have a call in to Georganne so I’ll ask her about it, too. Another doc I spoke to didn’t seem to think Aleve would cause problems with the fusing. Not sure what Georganne and Dr. F think yet. Haven’t asked them.

I’m probably just experiencing osteoarthritis and its related symptoms. Wish it could have been “removed” along with the flatback condition when Dr. F did the surgery.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of cammaltbySent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:41 PM Subject: [ ] Re: Pain

Kay,You are not whining when you ask a question....and even if your were...whining is allowed here!!!I don't have any specific recollection from my recovery that sounds like exactly what you are talking about but for what it's worth...here are my thoughts:You say that you notice this when you rollover...but then you say it is exhausting you...which doesn't really make sense to me....unless you are rolling around a lot! In other words...if you roll to a new position and it hurts, are you saying then it doesn't subside and it keeps you awake for the rest of the night? Are you taking your meds on schedule, even at night?Whatever else you end up doing...check yourself that you are very carefully "logrolling" your whole torso & pelvis so as to not strain. Are you still wearing your silky jammy's? You might also try a silk (or polyester fake silk) bottom sheet. Between the jammies and sheet it is a very slippery set up. It could stop any tugging when you are moving at night. And, how is your mattress? Does it support you without being too firm? If your mattress is pushing your hips up and your spine is permanantly attached to your pelvis maybe your positioning is causing you some pain.For the longest time the first steps out of bed felt pretty grueling to me..I just was stiff everywhere...stuff that never hurt before...hips, knees...I don't know why...but I assumed it was the combination of the new posture, the meds and lack of vigorous use of the muscles to flush toxins away. After all, when you are resting a good part of the day, if you have osteoarthritis you might have noticed even before surgery that actually you were more stiff when you didn't move around a lot.My take on who to ask about your issue is that it is a question for your surgeon. If something doesn't feel right or it worries you...call! My surgeons nurse called once a week for the first 8 weeks to see what was going on. Sometimes I didn't know I had questions until she called, but we always found things to review. So....you paid for a surgeons time and attention and that includes the post op period. They are the experts on what they did to you so you should not feel funny about calling as often as you need to. If the office staff gives you an attitude, ask to have the doctors voice mail. Being exhausted, if it is from new pain, can be a sign that you are either undermedicated as you are increasing your activities or something is amiss. If your surgeon tells you to go to your PCP then you can always follow that advice.Thats my $.02...and of course, as always, should not be construed as medical advice!Take Care, Cam

[Guest guest]

The story about

Dr. Kumar’s patient was very interesting—especially as I could see

that being an issue with me. I’ve never taken much in the way of pain

medication before (other than with the H rod surgery) so it could be that I

need something else other than what I’m taking. Will

also discuss this with Georganne when I talk to her.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kirkaldie

Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2007

4:20 PM

Subject: Re: [ ]

Re: Pain

Dear Kay,

Cam makes a

very valid point, despite taking the med's prescribed, you maybe

undermedicated. Sometimes pain med's, what you get and how you take them needs

to be tweeked. Doc's need to be told that med's aren't handling the pain, so

changes can be made.

Dr. Kumar told me this story about a patient he had. She had

surgery and in the hospital around the time I did, and they tried med

after med trying to resolve her pain, nothing worked, all the normal stuff we

are given for post-op pain, the oxy's and the whole other lot we hear about

people getting while in the hospital. They changed dosages everything, nothing

worked. Then he decided to take a step back down the pain med chart, and gave

her something he said was equivelent to asprin in strenght( no one should take

asprin following fusions), and low and behold she got relief from it, so it

goes to show that not all bodies are the same or react to med's in the same

way. What works for me might not for you, and you need to be speaking to your

doc about the pain and have your med's adjusted. Know that many here need

medication for awhile after this surgery, and some may need it long after a few

months. You can't feel bad because you are still painful, it's a big surgery,

with a ton of bone work, and then your body has to adjust to all that happened

to it. Unfortunately this recovery just takes time, but you need to let your

doc work with you to help you with the pain, and I'm hoping with some

adjustments this will all come around.

[ ] Re:

Pain

Kay,

You are not whining when you ask a question....and even if your

were...whining is allowed here!!!

I don't have any specific recollection from my recovery that sounds

like exactly what you are talking about but for what it's

worth...here are my thoughts:

You say that you notice this when you rollover...but then you say it

is exhausting you...which doesn't really make sense to me....unless

you are rolling around a lot! In other words...if you roll to a new

position and it hurts, are you saying then it doesn't subside and it

keeps you awake for the rest of the night? Are you taking your meds

on schedule, even at night?

Whatever else you end up doing...check yourself that you are very

carefully " logrolling " your whole torso & pelvis so as to not

strain.

Are you still wearing your silky jammy's? You might also try a silk

(or polyester fake silk) bottom sheet. Between the jammies and sheet

it is a very slippery set up. It could stop any tugging when you are

moving at night. And, how is your mattress? Does it support you

without being too firm? If your mattress is pushing your hips up and

your spine is permanantly attached to your pelvis maybe your

positioning is causing you some pain.

For the longest time the first steps out of bed felt pretty grueling

to me..I just was stiff everywhere...stuff that never hurt

before...hips, knees...I don't know why...but I assumed it was the

combination of the new posture, the meds and lack of vigorous use of

the muscles to flush toxins away. After all, when you are resting a

good part of the day, if you have osteoarthritis you might have

noticed even before surgery that actually you were more stiff when

you didn't move around a lot.

My take on who to ask about your issue is that it is a question for

your surgeon. If something doesn't feel right or it worries

you...call! My surgeons nurse called once a week for the first 8

weeks to see what was going on. Sometimes I didn't know I had

questions until she called, but we always found things to review.

So....you paid for a surgeons time and attention and that includes

the post op period. They are the experts on what they did to you so

you should not feel funny about calling as often as you need to. If

the office staff gives you an attitude, ask to have the doctors voice

mail.

Being exhausted, if it is from new pain, can be a sign that you are

either undermedicated as you are increasing your activities or

something is amiss. If your surgeon tells you to go to your PCP then

you can always follow that advice.

Thats my $.02...and of course, as always, should not be construed as

medical advice!

Take Care, Cam

[Guest guest]

Dear Kay,

Only take an over the counter with your doc approval, I have no idea what you are taking med's wise, and tylenol might not be okay for you or could interact with what you are taking. Let your doc know and ask if it or something else will work for the body aches.

[ ] Pain

I'm about seven weeks post revision surgery. I'm still having pain when I try to roll over at night. Is that normal; did that happen with other post-revisionists? I just thought it would be lessening by now. Also, when I get up in the morning, I ache all over: legs, hips, back, etc. Makes me want to get back into bed and not get up. Also feel that awful aching when I get up from a nap; it hurts everywhere. Takes a few minutes of walking around before things lessen a bit.I took Aleve for years prior to the surgery for osteoarthritis symptoms (hips, hands, back). I'm no longer taking it because I understand it interferes with fusing. I'm wondering if the aches in muscles and joints are from the osteoarthritis or…what. Maybe some bursa inflammation in the hips/thighs (bursitis). Just don't know. And I don't know who to ask about it. My surgeon? My PCP? Appreciate your thoughts.Kay