Re: bartonella and magnesium

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Interesting!!!!!!!!! I have bart, don't take mag orally.  last year, i purchased

a therapeutic minral salt foot bath, and it had a lot of magnesium in it.  well

every foot bath left me feeling awful, like I was full of toxins, and my heart

was skipping beats on top of it!  so if bart yums up on magnesium,  it makes

sense that I felt horrible after soaking my feet in it.  don't use epsom salts

either.  get the same ill effects,  too bad cause painful feet is a huge number

one symptom of bart.  I switched over to a foot bath with a large bottle of

peroxide mixed in, and that leaves me feeling great!  oxygen gets in to the body

a little bit????  toxins pulled out thru the feet?

From: TUESDAYMT@... <TUESDAYMT@...>

Subject: [ ] bartonella and magnesium

Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 1:25 AM

A doctor we see for pain said that a lyme doctor(can't recall the name)

says you should not take magnesium if you have bartonella. He said it does

something or other (feeds it, or protects the organism, I can't remember his

exact explanation)

My daughter, who is still very ill, with lyme & it's nasty co-infections

has been taking magnesium for a very long time because one of her worst

symptoms is extreme muscle pain (hard rigid, tight neck, shoulder, back ect)

and now she is worried that the magnesium has been a culprit in her staying

so ill. We have done magnesium iv in the past, but now she supplements with

it any where from 800mg to 1 gram per day.

I told her I'd ask on the group to see if any one has heard this theory and

if there is any evidence to support it.

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My LLMD recently told me not to take Magnesium because I was " feeding the

germs " . I have Lyme, Bart and Babs. I have been taking Magnesium regularly for

years because it does help the chronic muscles spasms in my back, neck and now

my legs. I remember a while back reading that some folks who use the rife

machines to treat Lyme will take Magnesium to draw the bugs out of hiding to

feed on it and then zap them.....but I do not rife, so I cannot speak from

experience. Personally, I just feel better taking the Magnesium, so now I am

just taking about 300mg at bedtime, which is less than I use to take. When my

muscles are rock hard and very painful, I now rely more on Valium 10mg QID - it

is a great muscle relaxant.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

QID means 1 tab 4 times daily

Lonera

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From: bluesky <bluesky@...>

Sent: Monday, June 1, 2009 5:06:04 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: bartonella and magnesium

6/1/09 9:47 AM - tedidine (DOT) com

> When my muscles are rock hard and very painful, I now rely more on Valium 10mg

> QID - it is a great muscle relaxant.

When my neck was hurting so much on Friday that I could do nothing but cry I

took one of my low-dose lorazepam pills. It seemed to help a bit.

The next day when I tried two doses of Tramadol that had just been

prescribed for me, it didn't touch the pain and I felt to stoned from it to

drive or even walk outdoors safely.

I'm wondering if I took a double dose of the lorazepam to keep the pain down

when it starts, perhaps keeping the spasms and burning pain from getting

excruciating, it would be a good treatment.

What does QID mean?

Blue

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In a message dated 6/1/2009 10:15:12 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

havenner@... writes:

My LLMD recently told me that there is some new, preliminary indication

that lyme may be more likely to become a biofilm in patients who take

magnesium supplements. He had me stop my 150 mg/day supplement. Two

months later, when I was having additional symptoms (for other reasons)

that included muscle twitching, he had me start back at no more than 150

mg/day. He never mentioned magnesium and bartonella which I do have

also.

Maureen

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wow, tramadol takes away my severe pain pretty well, and I don't feel stoned or

woozy from it at all.

From: bluesky <bluesky@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: bartonella and magnesium

Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 9:06 PM

6/1/09 9:47 AM - tedidine (DOT) com

> When my muscles are rock hard and very painful, I now rely more on Valium 10mg

> QID - it is a great muscle relaxant.

When my neck was hurting so much on Friday that I could do nothing but cry I

took one of my low-dose lorazepam pills. It seemed to help a bit.

The next day when I tried two doses of Tramadol that had just been

prescribed for me, it didn't touch the pain and I felt to stoned from it to

drive or even walk outdoors safely.

I'm wondering if I took a double dose of the lorazepam to keep the pain down

when it starts, perhaps keeping the spasms and burning pain from getting

excruciating, it would be a good treatment.

What does QID mean?

Blue

[Guest guest]

my llmd has me on Selectrolytes, ,a finely balanced potassium mag blend for

lymies, my muscles instantly uncramp within minutes of taking it, and I get an

energy boost too.  its the only one I can take, all the other potassium and or

magnesium set my heart off to racing wildly and thumping irregularly. 

From: Terri <tedidine@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: bartonella and magnesium

Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 1:47 PM

My LLMD recently told me not to take Magnesium because I was " feeding the

germs " . I have Lyme, Bart and Babs. I have been taking Magnesium regularly for

years because it does help the chronic muscles spasms in my back, neck and now

my legs. I remember a while back reading that some folks who use the rife

machines to treat Lyme will take Magnesium to draw the bugs out of hiding to

feed on it and then zap them.....but I do not rife, so I cannot speak from

experience. Personally, I just feel better taking the Magnesium, so now I am

just taking about 300mg at bedtime, which is less than I use to take. When my

muscles are rock hard and very painful, I now rely more on Valium 10mg QID - it

is a great muscle relaxant.

[Guest guest]

I have taken tramadol in the past for other things. I was so severly constipated

on it that I will never take it again.

wow, tramadol takes away my severe pain pretty well, and I don't feel stoned or

woozy from it at all.

..

[Guest guest]

Hi!

 

I, too, have heard that magnesium is a bad supplement to be taking because it

feeds the bartonella. in a newspaper article i read from my doctor's office, the

article said that magnesium feeds the biofilm that coats the bartonella

bacteria. biofilm is what makes lyme disease chronic. its hard to kill the

biofilm and the biofilm is what makes people relapse.

 

i was taking magnesium for months because i had poor muscle function and i still

do. i quit taking it once i read that article because i thought that it was part

of the reason i was feeling sick and part of the reason the road to getting

healthy again has been long. i have noticed that my muscle function is worse

since i've quit taking the magnesium. for the first few days i had withdrawals

and headaches and i had a really hard time lifting things that weighed thirty

pounds or more. but after that first few days, my body adapted to not having a

source of magnesium every day. i still can't lift heavy things without trouble

and i still get muscle twitches and i still have a hard time moving around too

much. but i've noticed that my main symptom (which was the extreme and

continually decreasing tolerability of nausea) isn't as bad as it used to be.

i've noticed since i've gotten off magnesium that i can function better and

actually do things around the

house. i never used to be able to push around a sweeper or clean the bathrooms

or dust the house because i was so sick. now i can do those things for a few

hours a day and i really believe that part of the reason i'm feeling better

is because i quit taking the magnesium.

 

i hope this has helped. this is what i've researched and come across about

magnesium and the bartonella bacteria. maybe it'll make ur daughter feel better

like its helped me.

 

my prayers are with you and your daughter.

 

Sincerely,

Cortney

From: TUESDAYMT@... <TUESDAYMT@...>

Subject: [ ] bartonella and magnesium

Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 1:25 AM

A doctor we see for pain said that a lyme doctor(can't recall the name)

says you should not take magnesium if you have bartonella. He said it does

something or other (feeds it, or protects the organism, I can't remember his

exact explanation)

My daughter, who is still very ill, with lyme & it's nasty co-infections

has been taking magnesium for a very long time because one of her worst

symptoms is extreme muscle pain (hard rigid, tight neck, shoulder, back ect)

and now she is worried that the magnesium has been a culprit in her staying

so ill. We have done magnesium iv in the past, but now she supplements with

it any where from 800mg to 1 gram per day.

I told her I'd ask on the group to see if any one has heard this theory and

if there is any evidence to support it.

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