T cells

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In a message dated 7/12/2003 2:34:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

allengraves2003@... writes:

Can anyone post a good URL or two regarding T Cells? The bass-

ackwards 'HIV' model has confounded me...

Try this

HIV & AIDS - CD4+ T Lymphocytes

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In a message dated 7/13/2003 9:50:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

aidsisover@... writes:

In a message dated 7/12/2003 2:34:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

allengraves2003@... writes:

Can anyone post a good URL or two regarding T Cells? The bass-

ackwards 'HIV' model has confounded me...

Sorry the link didn't transfer. Here's the URL:

http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/milowcd4.htm

What's so confusing? All of the early gay victims had destroyed their

thymuses with poppers, so they couldn't manufacture t-cells when they needed to.

There was never any mysterious virus killing t-cells. That t-cells became and

remain surrogate markers is a travesty and shows how unscientific,

unprofessional and deranged governmedical science has become.

[Guest guest]

Found them already. I did a search at using your description, and it came

up with the URL at virusmyth.org/aids. Thanks. Great articles ( all three ). I

read another article from The Perth Group that puts forth the theory that the T

Cells move into/remain in the bone marrow, and that this may be a response to

the oxidation/stressor condition. T Cells are a valuable marker for many

diseases and I don't feel that you can discount them just because of their being

mis-understood in relation to 'HIV'. I intend to keep an eye on them to add to

my understanding, not in reference to medicine's 'Loch Ness Monster'.

Further, you will find some excellent articles at http://www.robertogiraldo.com/

and an interesting forum at http://forums.delphiforums.com/innocuous?fpi=yes,

where I found the following sensible and insightful article ( you'll notice his

mention of garlic );

Taken From www.oGiraldo.com

TREATING AND PREVENTING AIDS BY ROBERTO GIRALDO

Story submitted by LoveChild on Wed 26 Feb 2003 - 19:48 h Activisme

TREATING AND PREVENTING AIDS

A Guide to Basic Principles for

Effective, Nontoxic and Inexpensive Alternatives

February 2003

o Giraldo1, Pedro Ródenas2, Juán José 3 and Alfredo Embid4

Acknowledgment: This article was originally written in Spanish. Its translation

into English has been possible thanks to the generous editorial assistance of

Castillo, Philadelphia PA.

Contents

Introduction

1. Understanding the real causes of AIDS.

2. Diagnosis using clinical and laboratory findings.

3. Avoiding exposure to immunological stressor agents.

4. Detoxifying the immune system and other systems.

5. Stimulating and regenerating the immune system and other systems.

6. Treating the clinical manifestations of AIDS.

7. Adopting natural treatment and therapies.

8. Initiating treatment at the appropriate time.

References

Bibliography

Scientific evidence shows that AIDS is neither an infectious nor a contagious

disease, but is instead a degenerative toxic and nutritional illness (1-11),

caused by involuntary and sometimes voluntary exposure to the alarming global

increase of immunological stressor agents, which are of chemical, physical,

biological, mental and nutritional origin (3). These stressor agents in the body

induce an excess of free radicals, especially oxidizing agents (9-44), which

progressively impair the immune system, eventually causing it to collapse while

simultaneously provoking manifestations of opportunistic infections, tumors and

metabolic disturbances. However, AIDS can be treated, prevented, and eradicated

in effective, easy, and inexpensive ways (45,a-c).

Eight basic principles can and should guide the treatment and prevention of

AIDS, which is, in reality, a toxic and nutritional illness: 1) Understanding

the real causes of AIDS; 2) Diagnosis using clinical and laboratory findings; 3)

Avoiding exposure to immunological stressor agents; 4) Detoxifying the immune

and other systems; 5) Stimulating and regenerating the immune and other systems;

6) Treating the clinical manifestations of AIDS; 7) Adopting natural treatment

and therapies; and 8) Initiating treatment at the appropriate time (a-c). The

application of these basic principles will depend upon the particular condition

of each individual or community and may be adapted to specific cases by health

professionals or therapists in conjunction with the consent and cooperation of

the interested or affected individuals.

AIDS may be managed like any other chronic, degenerative illness. Once a patient

manifests mild, moderate or severe immunological deficiency, the patient will be

required to take precautions for the rest of his/her life, such as is done by

patients who suffer from diabetes, high blood pressure, arthritis, renal

insufficiency and other chronic conditions.

Following this article is a list of references and a bibliography which sustain

the scientific validity of these alternative approaches for the treatment and

prevention of AIDS. Study of these sources is strongly encouraged for those

seeking a deeper understanding of the issues. Furthermore, following this

article is a list of websites providing scientific arguments and abundant

references regarding the international scientific debate concerning the causes

of and solutions for AIDS.

Eight Basic Principles for the Treatment and Prevention of AIDS:

1. UNDERSTANDING THE REAL CAUSES OF AIDS.

1.1. It is essential that affected individuals and communities rid themselves of

the erroneous belief that AIDS is an infectious, viral, contagious, and fatal

illness (1-11). Accordingly, the simplistic equation that HIV = AIDS = DEATH

must be deconstructed.

1.2. Similarly, the myth that being “HIV-positive” means infection with the

virus that supposedly causes AIDS must be dispelled, since being “HIV-positive”

or “seropositive” in reality means that the person has been exposed to toxins

and is undergoing oxidative stress (46).

1.3. These faulty beliefs, in and of themselves, cause harm to the immune system

and can lead to the development of AIDS, as has been demonstrated by

psychoneuroimmunology (47-53).

1.4. Comprehensive evidence should be provided demonstrating that involuntary

and sometimes voluntary, multiple, repeated, and chronic exposure to

immunological stressor agents & shy;– whether they be chemical, physical,

biological, mental or nutritional in origin – intoxicate, oxidize, and

progressively deteriorate the immune system, causing it to collapse and thereby

generating AIDS (4,54).

2. DIAGNOSIS USING CLINICAL AND LABORATORY FINDINGS.

2.1. Be aware that involuntary and sometimes voluntary, multiple, repeated, and

chronic exposure to stressor agents not only intoxicate and progressively harm

the immune system, but also damage all other organs and systems in the body

(4,54). Exposure to these toxic agents does not affect each person in the same

manner and therefore identical or similar stressors can bring about different

patterns of disease in different individuals or populations (a-j,z).

2.2. Accordingly, the complete health status of the individual or community

should be carefully evaluated using available conventional clinical and

laboratory tests to establish the state of the blood, serum, plasma, urine,

stool, and other body liquids. Furthermore, alternative and complementary

techniques such as iridology, kinesiology, bioelectronics, pulses of oriental

medicine and other techniques may be used (d-j).

2.3. It is important to evaluate the functioning status of the immune system

with tests such as T and B cell counts, blastogenic responses of lymphocytes, T

cell proliferation and differentiation, activation of cytotoxic lymphocytes,

timuline activity, total complement, C3, C4, as well as immunoglobulin levels

(55-57).

2.4. A detailed evaluation should be made of the activation status of the immune

system with tests such as serology for hepatitis A, B, and C, syphilis,

toxoplasma, herpes viruses, cytomegalovirus infection (CMV), rubella,

mononucleosis, rheumatoid factor, antistreptolisins, erythrosedimentation rate,

C reactive protein, beta 2 microglobulin, Combs test, agglutinins, immune

complexes, and skin tests (55-57).

2.5. Testing should be done to determine the functioning status of the endocrine

glands, kidneys, liver, skin and all other organs and body systems.

2.6. A meticulous evaluation of nutritional markers is invaluable, using tests

such as total proteins, albumin, electrophoresis of proteins, serum iron,

transferrine, ferretine, foliates, B12, B6, thiamine, niacin, biotin,

riboflavin, panthotenic acid, inositol, biopterins, and colines (58-77).

2.7. Biomarkers of antioxidant status should be tested, such as the serum level

of vitamin C, vitamin A, total carotenes, alpha carotene, beta carotene, beta

criptoxantine, flavonoids, vitamin E, alpha tocopherol, copper, ceruloplasmine,

zinc, selenium, chromium, manganese, glutathion, glutathion peroxidase,

N-acetylcisteine and systemic tiol (9-44,78,79).

2.8. Evaluating the oxidation status of the body is also recommended, using

tests such as markers for oxidation of DNA bases (8-hydroxy-2-deoxyguanosine)

and biomarkers of lipid peroxidation such as malondyaldehide, lipid

hydroperoxides, oxidized proteins, salicilate test, reduced glutathione,

catalases and superoxidodysmutases (80-83).

2.9. The ELISA, Western blot, and viral load tests erroneously believed to

indicate “HIV infection” (84-98) should be interpreted only as indirect

biomarkers of the oxidation status or intoxication of the affected individual or

community (46). Therefore, the HIV phenomenon, rather than being a cause, is an

effect of exposure to immunological stressor agents and indicates the presence

of proteins released during the body’s stress responses (99-107). It is

necessary to fully understand that the so-called “tests for HIV” do not detect

infection with “HIV”. There is not a single scientific reference demonstrating

that the HIV phenomenon relates to a real virus (108-113).

3. AVOIDING EXPOSURE TO IMMUNOLOGICAL STRESSOR AGENTS.

3.1. It is imperative to avoid further intoxication of the organs and tissues by

preventing as much as possible exposure to immunological stressor agents (4,54),

especially the following:

3.2. Chemical stressors such as tobacco, alcohol, psychoactive drugs and

aphrodisiacs (cocaine, heroin, “crack,” inhalable nitrites or “poppers,”

amphetamines, etc.), chemical pollution, detergents, paints, air fresheners and

sprays, food preservatives, toxic pharmaceuticals including antibiotics,

corticosteroids, chemiotherapeutics and antiretrovirals (4,6-8,114-118).

3.3. Physical stressors such as ionizing and nonionizing radiation,

electromagnetic fields from electric and electronic equipment, geopathies and

cosmopathies (4,119).

3.4. Biological stressors such as blood and its derivatives, semen (especially

via rectal insemination), vaccines, STDs, other infections, and parasitosis

(4,120,121). Overgrowth of Candida albicans in the gastrointestinal tract and

its dissemination to other sites should be monitored (i,y). In underdeveloped

regions, it is necessary to provide clean water as well as proper disposal of

waste and human excrement so as to eliminate sources of new infections and

parasitosis (121).

3.5. Mental stressors such as anxiety, depression, and panic should be observed

and treated (4,122). It is absolutely necessary to dispel any doubts about the

causes of AIDS, its treatment and prevention in individuals, families, and

communities (47-53). It is necessary to comprehend that, from a scientific

viewpoint, it is perfectly possible to cure and prevent AIDS.

3.6. Nutritional stressors, such as the lack of food in underdeveloped countries

and the proliferation of junk food in developed ones, need to be avoided

(4,123). Nothing puts us more in contact with our environment than the food that

we eat. As a consequence, it is necessary to consume as much natural and whole

foods as possible, avoiding tobacco, alcohol, coffee, tea, chocolate, cocoa,

sodas, processed foods, canned food, foods containing chemical preservatives and

refined products like sugar, white flour and sweeteners such as aspartame. It is

also essential to decrease the consumption of animal proteins and fats,

including dairy products, as well as sugars and candies. On the other hand, in

underdeveloped regions, it is most essential to alleviate the lack of food.

(123).

3.7. Life style; both health and disease depend upon our daily habits and our

attitude toward life (2,4,124-129). It is necessary to adopt a positive and

critical approach, so that “seropositive patients” become “seriously positive

and impatient.” Adopting a combative attitude is a way to heal and survive.

Maintaining an active life, working, having enough rest and sleep, practicing

moderate physical exercise, and leaving some time for entertainment are all

important factors for survival. For example, listening to music, dancing,

singing, painting, and laughing – all can be survival tools. Other practical

survival techniques include: wearing cotton and light colored clothes;

practicing dry brushing and finishing showers with cold water; and practicing

respiratory, relaxation, and visualization exercises. Regular sexual activity is

also important, without, however, toxic aphrodisiacs, lubricants, and

spermicides, and without sadomasochistic practices. Further steps to thriving

include

discovering one’s interior life, stimulating personal growth, protecting

nature, and helping other “seropositive” individuals and those suffering from

AIDS.

4. DETOXIFYING THE IMMUNE SYSTEM AND OTHER SYSTEMS.

4.1. In addition to the immune system we must detoxify the body’s excretion

systems; digestive, liver, kidneys, lungs, skin, and any others manifesting

signs of intoxication (130-132).

4.2. A variety of nutritional, energetic, magnetic, physical, mental, and

spiritual techniques have demonstrated effectiveness in both detoxification and

stimulation and regeneration of the immune system and other systems

(133-141,a-z). Some of these include naturopathic medicine, homeopathy,

acupuncture and moxibustion, neural therapy, digitopuncture, phitotherapy,

nutritional therapy, use of quelant agents, hydrotherapy, therapy with sea

water, reflexology, lymphatic massage, Bach flowers, hypertermia, biocatalitic

oxygen therapy, aromatherapy, therapeutic massage, art therapy, music therapy,

cromotherapy, hypnosis, yoga, tai-chi, qigong or chi kung, tuina or Chinese

massage, reiki, magnetic therapy, sophrology, orthomolecular medicine,

functional medicine, and spiritual care (133-141). As with conventional

medicine, the effectiveness of these therapies depends on both the knowledge and

expertise of the practitioner and on the acceptance of the person receiving the

therapy or

treatment.

4.3. Some herbs that may be used in the detoxifying process include

(124-129,137,r-v,z) diuretic herbs such as common horsetail (Equisetum arvense)

and herbs to protect the liver such as milk thistle or silymarin (Silybum

marianum), boldo leaf (Pneumus boldus), common fumitory or earthsmoke (Fumaria

officinalis), African desmodium (Desmodium ascendens), Chinese astragalus

(Astragalus membranaceus), and Ling Zhi or Chinese Reishi (Ganoderma lucidum).

The aloe shake (Aloe vera) is useful in both detoxification and stimulation of

tissues and is prepared by blending together 2 oz. of aloe gel, two tablespoons

of honey, 4 kernels of black pepper, a small piece of ginger, and the juice of a

lemon. Take freshly prepared, every day for 30 to 60 days. A good intestinal

hygiene is crucial in the detoxification process and can be achieved with

chamomile enemas followed by enemas with sunflower oil or flaxseed oil, as well

as with supplements of lactobacillus.

4.4. A detoxifying and antioxidant diet is important (2,4,123-128). We suggest

tissue cleansing, for example, by using a depurative diet without animal

products and margarines and with organic fruits and vegetables. Dr. Kousmine’s

depurative diet is a good option (142). We suggest eating whole cereals in any

form (rice, barley, wheat, oat). Decrease sugar and candies. Increase the intake

of fresh and dry fruits as well as raw organic vegetables and legumes. Drink

lots of liquids; water (at least 1.5 litters per day), juices with fresh fruits

and vegetables (especially carrots), vegetable broths, and green juices as a

source of chlorophyll (for example, blend with water lettuce, spinach, celery,

mint, parsley, coriander, and such – take without draining). Avoid dairy

products, using as a substitute almond, oat, rice, and cashew milks. Avoid the

genetically modified soy common in the United States, Canada and Argentina.

Supervised fasting is beneficial (143). Also recommended is the

use of bifidogenic foods, for example yogurt and kumis made from sheep or

goat’s milk, tofu or miso (144). Coconut oil is a good source of louric and

caprilic acids, which prevent candida growth (i).

5. STIMULATING AND REGENERATING THE IMMUNE SYSTEM AND OTHER SYSTEMS.

5.1. This procedure should be initiated at the same time as the detoxifying

procedure and may require months, years, or even the rest of the person’s life,

depending upon the specific conditions of each individual or population.

It is necessary to achieve normal blood levels of antioxidants (145-150,r,s),

for example, by using vitamin A and carotenoids (151-170), vitamin E (preferably

vitamin Ed) (162,171,172), vitamin C (173-175), selenium (30-33), n-acetyl

cisteine (34-40), l-glutamine (i), zinc (41-44), copper (44), manganese ®,

alpha lipoic acid ®, ubiquinone or coenzyme Q10 ®, and flavonoids or vitamin

P ®. Avoid exceeding normal blood levels and keep in mind the potential

toxicity of metals and fat-soluble vitamins.

5.3. Achieving normal blood levels of vitamin A and other carotenoids prevents

the so-called “transmission of HIV/AIDS” from person to person (176-178) and

from mother to child during pregnancy, delivery (179-190) or during

breastfeeding (191). The potential theratogenic effects of vitamin A,

betacarotene and other carotenoids should be considered (192).

5.4. Some interleukins, such as IL2, growth factors, B-complex vitamins, vitamin

D, and lithium are useful for their stimulating and regenerative properties

(193-201).

5.5. Any macro or micronutrient deficiencies should be meticulously addressed

(202-212).

5.6. Certain herbs may be used for their immune stimulating and/or antioxidant

properties (137,213-222): aloe (Aloe vera), astragalus (Astragalus

membranaceus), Siberian ginseng (Eleutherococcus senticosus), Fo-ti (Polygonum

multiforum), turmeric (Curuma longa), echinacea (Echinacea angustifolia y E.

purpurea), garlic (Allium sativum), licorice (Glycyrrhiza glabra), golden seal

(Hydrastis Canadensis), cat’s claw (Uncaria tomentosa), ginkgo (Ginkgo biloba),

grapeseed (Vitis vinifera), sarsaparrilla or smilax (Smilax officinalis y S.

aspera). Sedative and relaxing herbs include: passion flower (Passiflora

incarnata), valerian (Valeriana officinalis), chamomile (Matricaria chamomilla),

mint (Menta sativa), lavender (Lavanda officinalis), Siberian ginseng

(Eleuterococus senticosus).

5.7. An antioxidizing, stimulating, and regenerative diet should be followed

(2,4,124-129). In addition to the detoxifying diet described in 4.4, it is

necessary to practice a vegetarian or semi-vegetarian diet with quantities of

fruits, especially papaya, mango, kiwi, pineapple, avocado, bananas, and dry

fruits, and vegetables, cereals, legumes and algae. Avoid animal products and

instead eat white fatty fish, sheep and goat meat. Preferably use sea salt. Use

60-80% fresh, whole, raw organic food. Whenever possible, use garlic, onions,

asparagus, citric fruits, beets, cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, brussels

sprouts, carrots, yeast, wheat, and pollen, as well as sprouts. Use cold pressed

oils (Below 40 degrees Celsius), since this manner of pressing preserves

essential and polyunsaturated fatty acids, which are needed in anti-inflammatory

and regenerative processes. Carcamo, sunflower, and olive oils, in this order,

are good sources of vitamin F or linoleic acid. Flaxseed oil is

also a good source of alpha linoleic acid.

6. TREATING THE CLINICAL MANIFESTATIONS OF AIDS.

6.1. Specific conventional (223-227) and/or alternative or complementary

treatments (a-z) can be used to treat: opportunistic infections (candidiasis,

hystoplasmosis, coccidiodomycosis, cryptococosis, cryptosporidiosis, different

types of herpetic infections, CMV infection, isosporiosis, tuberculosis,

nocardiosis, Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia, recurrent bacterial pneumonia,

Salmonella septicemia, estrongyloidiasis, and toxoplasmosis); tumors (Kaposi’s

sarcoma, brain lymphoma, B-cell lymphoma, Burkitt’s lymphoma, and invasive

cervical cancer); multiple metabolic disturbances (dementia/encefalopathy,

progressive multifocal leucoencefalopaty, hair loss, weight loss, wasting

syndrome, “slim” disease); and all other clinical manifestations that may result

from deterioration of the defense, surveillance, and homeostasis mechanisms of

the immune system.

6.2. Deteriorations in other organs and tissues should be corrected.

6.3. Success in the treatment of AIDS depends primarily upon guaranteeing and

optimizing the nutritional status at both clinical and micronutrient levels

(58-77,201-212,k-v).

7. ADOPTING NATURAL TREATMENT AND THERAPIES.

In addition to consulting conventional health professionals, consultation with

alternative or complimentary therapists is recommended, so long as the

therapeutic approaches employed have recognized effectivity in the treatment and

prevention of chronic degenerative diseases like AIDS (124-141,w-z).

8. INITIATING TREATMENT AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.

8.1. The treatment and prevention of AIDS as a toxic and nutritional syndrome

can only be effective if:

a) Neither the individual nor the community doubt that the treatment being used

is the correct choice. They need to fully understand that AIDS is a

degenerative, toxic, and nutritional syndrome, caused by involuntary and

sometimes voluntary multiple, repeated, and chronic exposure to immunological

stressor agents which generate a state of intoxication/oxidation of the immune

system and other body systems. It is recommended that relatives as well as close

friends also understand the curable nature of AIDS.

Treatment and prevention should be led by health care professionals and

alternative therapists who thoroughly understand that AIDS is a preventable,

curable, and eradicable toxic and nutritional syndrome, and who are committed to

that goal. Preferably, practitioners should possess a broad and global view of

both conventional and alternative/complementary medicine.

8.2. Frequently, “seropositive” individuals and patients are influenced by

discussions with health care professionals or alternative therapists who defend

the hypothesis that AIDS is caused by a virus named “HIV”. In this event,

radical confrontations should be avoided since they only increase the anxiety

and depression to which “seropositive” individuals and patients are already

subject (47-53).

8.3. In the event that a patient with AIDS or a person who reacts positively on

the so-called “tests for HIV”, after considering all available information

(228-230), decides to change the so-called antiretrovirals for a nontoxic

alternative, this should be done gradually and progressively, since the protease

inhibitors that are a part of the “cocktails” have antioxidant actions (231),

and eliminating them abruptly could cause further oxidative stress and immune

suppression.

Websites containing scientific references concerning the international debate

about the causes and solutions for AIDS:

www.robertogiraldo.com www.duesberg.com

www.theperthgroup.com www.virusmyth.com

www.rethinkingaids.com www.toxi-health.com

www.aidsmyth.com www.healtoronto.com

www.aliveandwell.org www.healaids.com

www.amcmh.org www.vivoysanomexico.com

REFERENCES. ( a long list found at the end of article )

aidsisover@... wrote:

In a message dated 7/13/2003 9:50:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

aidsisover@... writes:

In a message dated 7/12/2003 2:34:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

allengraves2003@... writes:

Can anyone post a good URL or two regarding T Cells? The bass-

ackwards 'HIV' model has confounded me...

Sorry the link didn't transfer. Here's the URL:

http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/milowcd4.htm

What's so confusing? All of the early gay victims had destroyed their

thymuses with poppers, so they couldn't manufacture t-cells when they needed to.

There was never any mysterious virus killing t-cells. That t-cells became and

remain surrogate markers is a travesty and shows how unscientific,

unprofessional and deranged governmedical science has become.

[Guest guest]

Does LDN effect T cell testing?

Thanks

Tina

[Guest guest]

Hi,

They did with mine - I have hep c and my doctor and I have kept results on my progress via various tests, including lymphocytes:

Lymphocytes 10/10 01/09CD3 (Mature T cells) ( 57-85) 78 77Absolute CD3+ Cells (840-3060) 1441 1008%CD4 (Helper Cells) (30-61) 57 52Absolute CD4+ cells (490-1740) 1067 720%CD8 (Suppressor T Cells) (12-42) 22 22Absolute CD8+ cells (180-1170) 405 333Helper/Suppressor ratio (0.86-5.00) 2.59 2.17%CD16+CD56 (4-25) 6 10(Natural Killer Cells)Absolute NK Cells (70-760) 102 128(CD16+CD56 Cells)%CD19 (B cells) (6-29) 15 12Absolute CD19+ Cells) (110-660) 277 189 Absolute Lymphocytes (850-3900) 1857 1577

In folks with HIV/aids, LDN does help boost CD4 levels.

Hope this helps - if the above list doesn't come out right, see my blog below.

Nola http://nolahepper.blogspot.com/

Does LDN effect T cell testing?ThanksTina