Weight

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what you are saying is not atkins

i am redy to revamp diet though (once again) although a friend of mine who i

report to (she lost 50 lbs on atkins already) says i am eating everything

right and she does not understand

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Subj: Re: Weight

Date: 11/19/2003 3:09:40 PM Eastern Standard Time

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>

>this week is bad i think i am getting to uptight and upset with

this weight

>i have not excersized but as a rule i do aerobis 3-4 times a week

and a spot

>excersize daily

Well it looks to me like your fatty protein intake is way too high

(and this is just my uneducated thought). You need to add a lot more

vegetables into what you're eating and replace some of your meat with

them. Especially fatty meat like ham & roast beef. Try fish &

chicken or turkey instead.

Just as an example - this is my day today which is fairly typical.

Breakfast - 2 eggs scrambled (no milk, no fat added), 1 cup oatmeal

w/stevia,

Lunch - 2 brown rice cakes, very light on butter; big garden salad

(no dressing), 1 hardboiled egg

Dinner will be 1 blade steak (the little steaks), sauteed zucchini &

quinoa with a little butter. For snack, I " ll snack on a few handfuls

of almonds or pecans

I don't know your body structure or what your aiming for in calories,

etc. I'm not doing this to loose weight, just to get healthy.

Currently I'm 5'8 " & 152lbs.

Try that & maybe you'll have better results.

Ellen

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Ok... somethings to consider... a thyroid problem is not often detected

with regular thyroid tests. Are you cold often... especially your hands

and feet? What is your normal body temperature... is it 98.3 to 98.9 or

is it lower...esepcially in the 97.something? Do you feel tired alot?

Not being able to lose weight it a symptom of thyroid issues. If you

say yes to any of these... do some online research on hypothyroidism.

On Atkins.. I would suggest trying to up your carbs to 25 - 30... add

more veggies in. Are you eating enough healthy fats? They are very

important. Without knowing your fat intake your protein intake sounds

like it could be out of balance. You want your daily menu to consist of

75% fats, 20% proteins and 5% carbs. Your meals should be balanced with

fats/proteins/carbs... the fats help tremendously with satifying your

appetite... 3 meals a day (and snacks) helps keep your metabolism up and

running which equals burning calories. Your not eating too much... but

your not eating enough of balanced snacks and meals. Eating too little

will only slow your metabolism down putting your body into starvation

mode. You will not lose weight as your body is holding on to everything

it has for fear of famine.

Getting the Candidiasis under control is important and can be linked to

hypothyroidism. Check into it further and at least you will be able to

rule it out if you find that is not the problem.

Hope this helps! And yes... " stressin " doesn't help.... De-stress...

relax... and take the time to figure this out. You are worth it!

Dabs

sensualwordz@... wrote:

>this week is bad i think i am getting to uptight and upset with this weight

>i have not excersized but as a rule i do aerobis 3-4 times a week and a spot

>excersize daily

>i try to keep my carbs to below 20 and dont count calories

>my biggest sin is in the evening i have cream in my coffee or half and half

>an i may start having that in the late afternoon i work in a restaurant and

>have almost not been eating anything that has sauces etc cause im worried

>about hidden carbs

>so i eat salad grilled chicken breast prime rib

>yesterday i had omelette for dinner 1/2 lb roast beef for lunch (I was

>in my car for 6 hours yesterday and for snack last nite i had about 1/4 llb of

>ham

>

>day before had salad for lunch/breakfast and broiled scrod with salad for

>dinner

>any my coffee as usual

>

>is that too much No way

>had thyroid checked about a year ago they said its ok

>i had an over dose of antibiotics 3 years ago and thats when it seems to me

>in retrospect that everything started going wrong

>

>

>

>

>

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Lose the dairy and then try Atkins, use oil dressing, no cream or half and half.

If you stick to this you will start losing weight. It worked for me. Also check

out the Metabolic typing diet. by Dr. Wolcott. Atkin may not be right for you.

Laurie

Weight

Has any one had experience of being on the atkins diet and Not Losing at

all

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Subj: Re: Burning, itchy arms!!!!!!!!

Date: 11/19/2003 6:18:44 AM Eastern Standard Time

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Hi Babsie,

You can get ProBiotics at a lot of places, health food stores, GNC, etc. I

can recommend the GNC brand, it's called ProBiotic. Pretty simple. They have

doseages from 30 mg up to the ProBiotic, which is 1,200 mg. They have some

other

stuff too. It might be a good place to start. And it's more affordable than

the health food stores.

As for the Diflucan, I'd been on it for a few years and it just covers up the

symptoms. As soon as you go off it everything comes back. Most traditional

doctors will prescribe it. Newer, alternative practitioners won't. The

candida

builds up an immunity to the Diflucan, Nizoral, Nystatin, etc.

Chris

[Guest guest]

>

> this week is bad i think i am getting to uptight and upset with

this weight

> i have not excersized but as a rule i do aerobis 3-4 times a week

and a spot

> excersize daily

Well it looks to me like your fatty protein intake is way too high

(and this is just my uneducated thought). You need to add a lot more

vegetables into what you're eating and replace some of your meat with

them. Especially fatty meat like ham & roast beef. Try fish &

chicken or turkey instead.

Just as an example - this is my day today which is fairly typical.

Breakfast - 2 eggs scrambled (no milk, no fat added), 1 cup oatmeal

w/stevia,

Lunch - 2 brown rice cakes, very light on butter; big garden salad

(no dressing), 1 hardboiled egg

Dinner will be 1 blade steak (the little steaks), sauteed zucchini &

quinoa with a little butter. For snack, I " ll snack on a few handfuls

of almonds or pecans

I don't know your body structure or what your aiming for in calories,

etc. I'm not doing this to loose weight, just to get healthy.

Currently I'm 5'8 " & 152lbs.

Try that & maybe you'll have better results.

Ellen

[Guest guest]

Try adding coconut oil to your diet. It is awesome stuff for candida

sufferers and thyroid sufferers alike. Duncan sells it (check out his

website). I bought mine from from http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/

-Patty

>From: sensualwordz@...

>Reply-candidiasis

>candidiasis

>Subject: Re: Weight

>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 10:10:29 EST

>

>

>this week is bad i think i am getting to uptight and upset with this

>weight

>i have not excersized but as a rule i do aerobis 3-4 times a week and a

>spot

>excersize daily

>i try to keep my carbs to below 20 and dont count calories

>my biggest sin is in the evening i have cream in my coffee or half and half

>an i may start having that in the late afternoon i work in a restaurant

>and

>have almost not been eating anything that has sauces etc cause im worried

>about hidden carbs

>so i eat salad grilled chicken breast prime rib

>yesterday i had omelette for dinner 1/2 lb roast beef for lunch (I was

>in my car for 6 hours yesterday and for snack last nite i had about 1/4

>llb of

>ham

>

>day before had salad for lunch/breakfast and broiled scrod with salad for

>dinner

>any my coffee as usual

>

>is that too much No way

>had thyroid checked about a year ago they said its ok

>i had an over dose of antibiotics 3 years ago and thats when it seems to me

>in retrospect that everything started going wrong

>

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>Subj: Re: Weight

> Date: 11/19/2003 9:21:43 AM Eastern Standard Time

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>HREF= " mailto:candidiasis " >candidiasis </A>

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>

>

>

>Is the Candidiasis under control... do you have thyroid problems.... are

>you on any medications like anti depressants or hormones/birth control

>pills which can make you gain weight? There is a reason you are not

>losing. Some people have to count their calories with Atkins... how are

>your portions? Are you exercising? There is an answer here.

>

>Dabs

>

>

>

>sensualwordz@... wrote:

>

> >off and on for three years and i kep gaining

> >docs say you only gain if you eat too much

> >so i started keeping a journel

> >i dont eat TOO much

> >perhaps if i were calorie counting it might be no good but for atkins

>its

> >good

> >every week i say Im starting again and will be strickter i am about

>to

> >give up

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was having alot of weight gain and it was the candida. You can't have

coffee and ice cream if you're doing candida diet. Try eating veges and meat

and

sprouted grain bread, like Ezekeil bread. Health food store has this and some

supremarkets, it's usually refrigerated or frozen section. This helped me to

lose weight and stop eating sugar or processed foods. Eat raw foods " meaning

unprocessed foods " Hang in there you lose and feel better. I swear by the

Ezekiel bread, it helps elimination too!!! Kim

[Guest guest]

hello Kim,

my name is Grace, and i have been following this group for some time,altough i

dont post so much.

like all here, i have same problem...doctors dont really know what im talking

about, or have a very small idea of it.

only lately i became aware that i deal with candida. didnt know so much about

it, till i started searching the net, and found this group.

all this years (10) i tought that i had something ' wrong'...i felt bad, and

doctors couldnt really find a reason. i became afraid of saying something, it

looked like there was allways 'something' going on with me. i didnt understand

why other people felt great, and i didnt.

trush, (that now comes and goes, is never good),skin problems,head/stomach pain,

very strong, feeling very tired,and for last 2 years, very drepressed, with big

'mood swings'. (came together with pregnancy and dificult birth of my baby, was

tought to be post-birth drepression)

together with all this i have too much weight, that i dont manage to get rid of.

i read so much already about treatments, diets.... and am so confused.

maybe i can ask you some help? mostly about diet, and maybe some natural

products?

hope you dont mind me asking, but im just so ' lost' with so much information...

thank you already for any help/info you can give me...

all the best for you...

Grace

sikoradkc@... wrote:

I was having alot of weight gain and it was the candida. You can't have

coffee and ice cream if you're doing candida diet. Try eating veges and meat

and

sprouted grain bread, like Ezekeil bread. Health food store has this and some

supremarkets, it's usually refrigerated or frozen section. This helped me to

lose weight and stop eating sugar or processed foods. Eat raw foods " meaning

unprocessed foods " Hang in there you lose and feel better. I swear by the

Ezekiel bread, it helps elimination too!!! Kim

[Guest guest]

Hi and welcome! The weight did just come off for me once I started on thyroid

hormones, and my diet is pretty much the same.

I started on Levoxyl in Feb. and lost about 30 pounds by mid-June I think. In

mid-June, my doc added Cytomel to the Levoxyl. My weight stayed stable. Then in

Dec. I started on Armour. My weight is still the same. I'm 132 pounds, 5'3 " .

Everybody thinks I'm still losing weight, but I'm not. I am losing a lot of

inches though, and my clothes sizes are going way down. I don't really need to

lose anymore weight.

Anyway, my mother got started on Synthroid several months ago, and she is

actually gaining weight with no change in diet. she is hoping to switch to

ARmour to see if that helps.

I don't know why some people lose weight and others struggle a lot with it.

Perhaps their medication needs adjusted. Or maybe they're having some conversion

problems. Perhaps they need to make some dietary changes. Some people don't get

enough energy (calories) and when this happens, it slows the metabolism even

more, making weight loss impossible. Sometimes it might be an exercise issue. Or

maybe there's another health issue going on which is making it difficult to lose

weight.

Are you taking Armour, and if so, are you taking enough? Do you have enough

energy to exercise?

I think exercise is so important, but I know before I was started on hormones, I

couldn't exercise at all. It was all I could do just to continue working.

If you can exercise 5 times a week for 15-30 min., that will help. I'm very,

very active and have been for many years.

I don't know what kind of diet is right for you or anyone else. I went to a

nutritionist back in 1990, and I have worked with dieticians since. I just saw

my dietician last week; it had been 8 years since I saw her. I just wanted to

make sure the diet she recommended to me then was still good for me now. The

only change I have made is I am looking at the glycemic index and glycemic load

of foods, trying to eat mostly foods that are low GI and/or have low GL.

I eat pretty much anything I want with the exception of refined sugar. I eat

only a couple of servings of soy a week. I watch my intake of goitrogenic

vegetables, eating them steamed or cooked.

I eat what I feel is a balanced diet...using the pyramid. There are several

pyramids you can use.

I eat whole grains, beans, meat, fish, and lots of veggies & fruits. I also use

olive oil for cooking, and about 3 times a week I indulge in the most truly

wonderful butter. It costs $10 for a slab, but it's worth every single penny!

That's my source of unsaturated fat, which I know is not good for me, but I

figure since I don't inhale the stuff, a little bit occasionally is not too bad.

I found out I'm allergic to all dairy products, eggs, rice, and seafood, so I

avoid those. I use a powered egg substitute, but occasionally will indulge in a

real egg or cheese.

Anyway, all I know is that it's what's worked for me. I always refer everyone to

a dietician or nutritionist because they enabled me to lose a lot of weight back

in 1990 after I had tried everything else.

Good luck and keep in touch! Tell me more about yourself. Sheila

Ramsey Aweti <akupinyohood@...> wrote:

hello everyone..

i was just wondering why the weight doesnt just come off once you get on

thyroid replacement hormone especially one like armour. it just seems like

it should be alot easier since this is the most straight forward thing

anyone can do to increase their metabolism. i read that some people do lose

it without changing their diets but does anyone have any idea about this and

could someone explain why the weight doesnt just come off?

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you might be undertreated. Do you feel good? People on Armour usually

feel good with a TSH under 1.

Gracia

>

>

>

> hello everyone..

>

> i was just wondering why the weight doesnt just come off once you get on

> thyroid replacement hormone especially one like armour. it just seems like

> it should be alot easier since this is the most straight forward thing

> anyone can do to increase their metabolism. i read that some people do

lose

> it without changing their diets but does anyone have any idea about this

and

> could someone explain why the weight doesnt just come off?

>

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It could be that you are hormone resistant, and in that case, you

may need to add some T3 to your regimen. It could also be that you

simply do not respond to Armour...

I didnt. My weight stabilized quickly after I switched to Synthroid.

Others need Thyrolar, it just depends...

Fortunately I have a doc who doesnt mind my switchin around!

C.

[Guest guest]

hey well my story is that i went to my doctor and told him about alll my

symptons and about what i believe it might be but of course he said he didnt

think it had to do with my thyroid. also he said that the t3 and rt3 were

unreliable test and that he wouldnt do them. this is my doctor at kaiser.

when i got my results back my tsh was at 3.3 he said this was normal and

would not give me any treatment. i also had been monitoring my temperature

for 2 months and it ranged from the lowest at 93 and rarely the highest at

97. most of the time it was between 95 and 96.4. the craziest thing was that

i would say " doctor do you really think this is normal? " and he actually

told me it was not but he still would not do anything. he just said some

people run lower then others, and he told me how he could eat whatever he

wants and not gain weight while other people cant. i was just thinking about

how much of a jerk he was being. well anyways i called a doctor i found out

about that was in my city.. by the way i live in san francisco.. and he told

me based on what i have told him he would treat me. i just couldnt afford to

go to him right away so i had to wait a while since my insurance is still

with kaiser. tomorrow i am going back to kaiser to do another test on my

tsh, t3 and t4. he still would not do my rt3 even though ther other doctor

said i should ask them too. so once i get back my results i will make an

appointment with the other doctor since i have a little more money now. he

seemed very informed and really understood me and what i was going through.

well i just can't wait until i go to the doctor because i feel as if the all

this weight will be lifted off my soldiers.and i really want to thank

everyone cause you guys have been keepin me goin with something to look

forward too for a long time while i have been waitin for this.. keep sending

all the positive info and i want to hear more good things! ok thanks

everyone goodbye..

>From: Kemal Kalajdzic <kemalandsheila@...>

>Reply-hypothyroidism

>hypothyroidism

>Subject: Re: weight

>Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:48:31 -0800 (PST)

>

>Hi and welcome! The weight did just come off for me once I started on

>thyroid hormones, and my diet is pretty much the same.

>

>I started on Levoxyl in Feb. and lost about 30 pounds by mid-June I think.

>In mid-June, my doc added Cytomel to the Levoxyl. My weight stayed stable.

>Then in Dec. I started on Armour. My weight is still the same. I'm 132

>pounds, 5'3 " .

>

>Everybody thinks I'm still losing weight, but I'm not. I am losing a lot of

>inches though, and my clothes sizes are going way down. I don't really need

>to lose anymore weight.

>

>Anyway, my mother got started on Synthroid several months ago, and she is

>actually gaining weight with no change in diet. she is hoping to switch to

>ARmour to see if that helps.

>

>I don't know why some people lose weight and others struggle a lot with it.

>Perhaps their medication needs adjusted. Or maybe they're having some

>conversion problems. Perhaps they need to make some dietary changes. Some

>people don't get enough energy (calories) and when this happens, it slows

>the metabolism even more, making weight loss impossible. Sometimes it might

>be an exercise issue. Or maybe there's another health issue going on which

>is making it difficult to lose weight.

>

>Are you taking Armour, and if so, are you taking enough? Do you have enough

>energy to exercise?

>

>I think exercise is so important, but I know before I was started on

>hormones, I couldn't exercise at all. It was all I could do just to

>continue working.

>

>If you can exercise 5 times a week for 15-30 min., that will help. I'm

>very, very active and have been for many years.

>

>I don't know what kind of diet is right for you or anyone else. I went to a

>nutritionist back in 1990, and I have worked with dieticians since. I just

>saw my dietician last week; it had been 8 years since I saw her. I just

>wanted to make sure the diet she recommended to me then was still good for

>me now. The only change I have made is I am looking at the glycemic index

>and glycemic load of foods, trying to eat mostly foods that are low GI

>and/or have low GL.

>

>I eat pretty much anything I want with the exception of refined sugar. I

>eat only a couple of servings of soy a week. I watch my intake of

>goitrogenic vegetables, eating them steamed or cooked.

>

>I eat what I feel is a balanced diet...using the pyramid. There are several

>pyramids you can use.

>

>I eat whole grains, beans, meat, fish, and lots of veggies & fruits. I also

>use olive oil for cooking, and about 3 times a week I indulge in the most

>truly wonderful butter. It costs $10 for a slab, but it's worth every

>single penny! That's my source of unsaturated fat, which I know is not good

>for me, but I figure since I don't inhale the stuff, a little bit

>occasionally is not too bad.

>

>I found out I'm allergic to all dairy products, eggs, rice, and seafood, so

>I avoid those. I use a powered egg substitute, but occasionally will

>indulge in a real egg or cheese.

>

>Anyway, all I know is that it's what's worked for me. I always refer

>everyone to a dietician or nutritionist because they enabled me to lose a

>lot of weight back in 1990 after I had tried everything else.

>

>Good luck and keep in touch! Tell me more about yourself. Sheila

>

>Ramsey Aweti <akupinyohood@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>hello everyone..

>

>i was just wondering why the weight doesnt just come off once you get on

>thyroid replacement hormone especially one like armour. it just seems like

>it should be alot easier since this is the most straight forward thing

>anyone can do to increase their metabolism. i read that some people do lose

>it without changing their diets but does anyone have any idea about this

>and

>could someone explain why the weight doesnt just come off?

>

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can you order t3 off the internet?

Re: weight

> It could be that you are hormone resistant, and in that case, you

> may need to add some T3 to your regimen. It could also be that you

> simply do not respond to Armour...

> I didnt. My weight stabilized quickly after I switched to Synthroid.

> Others need Thyrolar, it just depends...

> Fortunately I have a doc who doesnt mind my switchin around!

>

> C.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

i believe so but what would you think about people trying to treat

themselves with armour from the mexican pharmacy based on their temperature.

do you think that would ever work? add if it goes down and if it gets too

high reduce it until you are within normal range?

>From: " Kim " <kckim@...>

>Reply-hypothyroidism

><hypothyroidism >

>Subject: Re: weight

>Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 08:58:29 -0800

>

>can you order t3 off the internet?

>

>

> Re: weight

>

>

> > It could be that you are hormone resistant, and in that case, you

> > may need to add some T3 to your regimen. It could also be that you

> > simply do not respond to Armour...

> > I didnt. My weight stabilized quickly after I switched to Synthroid.

> > Others need Thyrolar, it just depends...

> > Fortunately I have a doc who doesnt mind my switchin around!

> >

> > C.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

of course it works! It's how people used to be treated, before $ynthroid

and tests.

Gracia

> i believe so but what would you think about people trying to treat

> themselves with armour from the mexican pharmacy based on their

temperature.

> do you think that would ever work? add if it goes down and if it gets too

> high reduce it until you are within normal range?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think so http://www.smart-drugs.net

but you would be better off with Armour IMO.

Gracia

> can you order t3 off the internet?

>

>

> Re: weight

>

>

> > It could be that you are hormone resistant, and in that case, you

> > may need to add some T3 to your regimen. It could also be that you

> > simply do not respond to Armour...

> > I didnt. My weight stabilized quickly after I switched to Synthroid.

> > Others need Thyrolar, it just depends...

> > Fortunately I have a doc who doesnt mind my switchin around!

> >

> > C.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

i would hope it would work as my dr just said i am fibro and told me to buck

off when i asked to be further tested for thyroid antibodies despite my 5.05

tsh.. patient cure thyself cuz dr's dont give a sht about you

Re: weight

> >

> >

> > > It could be that you are hormone resistant, and in that case, you

> > > may need to add some T3 to your regimen. It could also be that you

> > > simply do not respond to Armour...

> > > I didnt. My weight stabilized quickly after I switched to Synthroid.

> > > Others need Thyrolar, it just depends...

> > > Fortunately I have a doc who doesnt mind my switchin around!

> > >

> > > C.

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Ramsey, we hear bad things about Kaiser and thyroid treatment on these

boards. 3.3 is too high a TSH. Poor doc is in over his head ie

incompetent.

Gracia

>

> hey well my story is that i went to my doctor and told him about alll my

> symptons and about what i believe it might be but of course he said he

didnt

> think it had to do with my thyroid. also he said that the t3 and rt3 were

> unreliable test and that he wouldnt do them. this is my doctor at kaiser.

> when i got my results back my tsh was at 3.3 he said this was normal and

> would not give me any treatment. i also had been monitoring my temperature

> for 2 months and it ranged from the lowest at 93 and rarely the highest at

> 97. most of the time it was between 95 and 96.4. the craziest thing was

that

> i would say " doctor do you really think this is normal? " and he actually

> told me it was not but he still would not do anything. he just said some

> people run lower then others, and he told me how he could eat whatever he

> wants and not gain weight while other people cant. i was just thinking

about

> how much of a jerk he was being. well anyways i called a doctor i found

out

> about that was in my city.. by the way i live in san francisco.. and he

told

> me based on what i have told him he would treat me. i just couldnt afford

to

> go to him right away so i had to wait a while since my insurance is still

> with kaiser. tomorrow i am going back to kaiser to do another test on my

> tsh, t3 and t4. he still would not do my rt3 even though ther other doctor

> said i should ask them too. so once i get back my results i will make an

> appointment with the other doctor since i have a little more money now. he

> seemed very informed and really understood me and what i was going

through.

> well i just can't wait until i go to the doctor because i feel as if the

all

> this weight will be lifted off my soldiers.and i really want to thank

> everyone cause you guys have been keepin me goin with something to look

> forward too for a long time while i have been waitin for this.. keep

sending

> all the positive info and i want to hear more good things! ok thanks

> everyone goodbye..

>

> >From: Kemal Kalajdzic <kemalandsheila@...>

> >Reply-hypothyroidism

> >hypothyroidism

> >Subject: Re: weight

> >Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:48:31 -0800 (PST)

> >

> >Hi and welcome! The weight did just come off for me once I started on

> >thyroid hormones, and my diet is pretty much the same.

> >

> >I started on Levoxyl in Feb. and lost about 30 pounds by mid-June I

think.

> >In mid-June, my doc added Cytomel to the Levoxyl. My weight stayed

stable.

> >Then in Dec. I started on Armour. My weight is still the same. I'm 132

> >pounds, 5'3 " .

> >

> >Everybody thinks I'm still losing weight, but I'm not. I am losing a lot

of

> >inches though, and my clothes sizes are going way down. I don't really

need

> >to lose anymore weight.

> >

> >Anyway, my mother got started on Synthroid several months ago, and she is

> >actually gaining weight with no change in diet. she is hoping to switch

to

> >ARmour to see if that helps.

> >

> >I don't know why some people lose weight and others struggle a lot with

it.

> >Perhaps their medication needs adjusted. Or maybe they're having some

> >conversion problems. Perhaps they need to make some dietary changes. Some

> >people don't get enough energy (calories) and when this happens, it slows

> >the metabolism even more, making weight loss impossible. Sometimes it

might

> >be an exercise issue. Or maybe there's another health issue going on

which

> >is making it difficult to lose weight.

> >

> >Are you taking Armour, and if so, are you taking enough? Do you have

enough

> >energy to exercise?

> >

> >I think exercise is so important, but I know before I was started on

> >hormones, I couldn't exercise at all. It was all I could do just to

> >continue working.

> >

> >If you can exercise 5 times a week for 15-30 min., that will help. I'm

> >very, very active and have been for many years.

> >

> >I don't know what kind of diet is right for you or anyone else. I went to

a

> >nutritionist back in 1990, and I have worked with dieticians since. I

just

> >saw my dietician last week; it had been 8 years since I saw her. I just

> >wanted to make sure the diet she recommended to me then was still good

for

> >me now. The only change I have made is I am looking at the glycemic index

> >and glycemic load of foods, trying to eat mostly foods that are low GI

> >and/or have low GL.

> >

> >I eat pretty much anything I want with the exception of refined sugar. I

> >eat only a couple of servings of soy a week. I watch my intake of

> >goitrogenic vegetables, eating them steamed or cooked.

> >

> >I eat what I feel is a balanced diet...using the pyramid. There are

several

> >pyramids you can use.

> >

> >I eat whole grains, beans, meat, fish, and lots of veggies & fruits. I

also

> >use olive oil for cooking, and about 3 times a week I indulge in the most

> >truly wonderful butter. It costs $10 for a slab, but it's worth every

> >single penny! That's my source of unsaturated fat, which I know is not

good

> >for me, but I figure since I don't inhale the stuff, a little bit

> >occasionally is not too bad.

> >

> >I found out I'm allergic to all dairy products, eggs, rice, and seafood,

so

> >I avoid those. I use a powered egg substitute, but occasionally will

> >indulge in a real egg or cheese.

> >

> >Anyway, all I know is that it's what's worked for me. I always refer

> >everyone to a dietician or nutritionist because they enabled me to lose a

> >lot of weight back in 1990 after I had tried everything else.

> >

> >Good luck and keep in touch! Tell me more about yourself. Sheila

> >

> >Ramsey Aweti <akupinyohood@...> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >hello everyone..

> >

> >i was just wondering why the weight doesnt just come off once you get on

> >thyroid replacement hormone especially one like armour. it just seems

like

> >it should be alot easier since this is the most straight forward thing

> >anyone can do to increase their metabolism. i read that some people do

lose

> >it without changing their diets but does anyone have any idea about this

> >and

> >could someone explain why the weight doesnt just come off?

> >

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[Guest guest]

yeah thanks alot im trying my best to get out of there. i found a doctor not

too far from me on wilsonssyndrome.com and when i spoke to him on the phone

he seemed eager to help and understood exactly what i was going through. im

just waiting for my total t3, free t4, and tsh from kaiser. the doctor also

told me to ask them for rt3 but my doctor wouldn't do it for me. it was

obvious he didn't know what he was talking about because when i spoke to him

at about 10 AM that day and told him i would like to add the rt3 test when i

go for my next check, he said " sure no problem " . then about five hours later

he called me telling me he won't add it anymore, that the test was

unreliable, and that they have no range for it. he also was asking me why i

wanted it as if i was doing something bad and treated me as he usually did

as if i was a child whining to him. oh well im almost done with kaiser

anyways im just using their laboratory to save some of the expenses of the

outside doctor. ok i gotta go but once again thanks alot and please keep

sending good news if possible.

Ramsey

>From: " Gracia " <circe@...>

>Reply-hypothyroidism

><hypothyroidism >

>Subject: Re: weight

>Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:41:21 -0500

>

>

>Ramsey, we hear bad things about Kaiser and thyroid treatment on these

>boards. 3.3 is too high a TSH. Poor doc is in over his head ie

>incompetent.

>Gracia

>

> >

> > hey well my story is that i went to my doctor and told him about alll my

> > symptons and about what i believe it might be but of course he said he

>didnt

> > think it had to do with my thyroid. also he said that the t3 and rt3

>were

> > unreliable test and that he wouldnt do them. this is my doctor at

>kaiser.

> > when i got my results back my tsh was at 3.3 he said this was normal and

> > would not give me any treatment. i also had been monitoring my

>temperature

> > for 2 months and it ranged from the lowest at 93 and rarely the highest

>at

> > 97. most of the time it was between 95 and 96.4. the craziest thing was

>that

> > i would say " doctor do you really think this is normal? " and he actually

> > told me it was not but he still would not do anything. he just said some

> > people run lower then others, and he told me how he could eat whatever

>he

> > wants and not gain weight while other people cant. i was just thinking

>about

> > how much of a jerk he was being. well anyways i called a doctor i found

>out

> > about that was in my city.. by the way i live in san francisco.. and he

>told

> > me based on what i have told him he would treat me. i just couldnt

>afford

>to

> > go to him right away so i had to wait a while since my insurance is

>still

> > with kaiser. tomorrow i am going back to kaiser to do another test on my

> > tsh, t3 and t4. he still would not do my rt3 even though ther other

>doctor

> > said i should ask them too. so once i get back my results i will make an

> > appointment with the other doctor since i have a little more money now.

>he

> > seemed very informed and really understood me and what i was going

>through.

> > well i just can't wait until i go to the doctor because i feel as if the

>all

> > this weight will be lifted off my soldiers.and i really want to thank

> > everyone cause you guys have been keepin me goin with something to look

> > forward too for a long time while i have been waitin for this.. keep

>sending

> > all the positive info and i want to hear more good things! ok thanks

> > everyone goodbye..

> >

> > >From: Kemal Kalajdzic <kemalandsheila@...>

> > >Reply-hypothyroidism

> > >hypothyroidism

> > >Subject: Re: weight

> > >Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:48:31 -0800 (PST)

> > >

> > >Hi and welcome! The weight did just come off for me once I started on

> > >thyroid hormones, and my diet is pretty much the same.

> > >

> > >I started on Levoxyl in Feb. and lost about 30 pounds by mid-June I

>think.

> > >In mid-June, my doc added Cytomel to the Levoxyl. My weight stayed

>stable.

> > >Then in Dec. I started on Armour. My weight is still the same. I'm 132

> > >pounds, 5'3 " .

> > >

> > >Everybody thinks I'm still losing weight, but I'm not. I am losing a

>lot

>of

> > >inches though, and my clothes sizes are going way down. I don't really

>need

> > >to lose anymore weight.

> > >

> > >Anyway, my mother got started on Synthroid several months ago, and she

>is

> > >actually gaining weight with no change in diet. she is hoping to switch

>to

> > >ARmour to see if that helps.

> > >

> > >I don't know why some people lose weight and others struggle a lot with

>it.

> > >Perhaps their medication needs adjusted. Or maybe they're having some

> > >conversion problems. Perhaps they need to make some dietary changes.

>Some

> > >people don't get enough energy (calories) and when this happens, it

>slows

> > >the metabolism even more, making weight loss impossible. Sometimes it

>might

> > >be an exercise issue. Or maybe there's another health issue going on

>which

> > >is making it difficult to lose weight.

> > >

> > >Are you taking Armour, and if so, are you taking enough? Do you have

>enough

> > >energy to exercise?

> > >

> > >I think exercise is so important, but I know before I was started on

> > >hormones, I couldn't exercise at all. It was all I could do just to

> > >continue working.

> > >

> > >If you can exercise 5 times a week for 15-30 min., that will help. I'm

> > >very, very active and have been for many years.

> > >

> > >I don't know what kind of diet is right for you or anyone else. I went

>to

>a

> > >nutritionist back in 1990, and I have worked with dieticians since. I

>just

> > >saw my dietician last week; it had been 8 years since I saw her. I just

> > >wanted to make sure the diet she recommended to me then was still good

>for

> > >me now. The only change I have made is I am looking at the glycemic

>index

> > >and glycemic load of foods, trying to eat mostly foods that are low GI

> > >and/or have low GL.

> > >

> > >I eat pretty much anything I want with the exception of refined sugar.

>I

> > >eat only a couple of servings of soy a week. I watch my intake of

> > >goitrogenic vegetables, eating them steamed or cooked.

> > >

> > >I eat what I feel is a balanced diet...using the pyramid. There are

>several

> > >pyramids you can use.

> > >

> > >I eat whole grains, beans, meat, fish, and lots of veggies & fruits. I

>also

> > >use olive oil for cooking, and about 3 times a week I indulge in the

>most

> > >truly wonderful butter. It costs $10 for a slab, but it's worth every

> > >single penny! That's my source of unsaturated fat, which I know is not

>good

> > >for me, but I figure since I don't inhale the stuff, a little bit

> > >occasionally is not too bad.

> > >

> > >I found out I'm allergic to all dairy products, eggs, rice, and

>seafood,

>so

> > >I avoid those. I use a powered egg substitute, but occasionally will

> > >indulge in a real egg or cheese.

> > >

> > >Anyway, all I know is that it's what's worked for me. I always refer

> > >everyone to a dietician or nutritionist because they enabled me to lose

>a

> > >lot of weight back in 1990 after I had tried everything else.

> > >

> > >Good luck and keep in touch! Tell me more about yourself. Sheila

> > >

> > >Ramsey Aweti <akupinyohood@...> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >hello everyone..

> > >

> > >i was just wondering why the weight doesnt just come off once you get

>on

> > >thyroid replacement hormone especially one like armour. it just seems

>like

> > >it should be alot easier since this is the most straight forward thing

> > >anyone can do to increase their metabolism. i read that some people do

>lose

> > >it without changing their diets but does anyone have any idea about

>this

> > >and

> > >could someone explain why the weight doesnt just come off?

> > >

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[Guest guest]

you guys are talking weight how much weight. Because i have been on a

diet for a year off andf on never to seem to loose just gain and then

after i noticed so many other things staring to go wrong with me i

finally went to the doc and they said i have hypothyroidism. i just

need to get advice on it all.

>

> I think so http://www.smart-drugs.net

> but you would be better off with Armour IMO.

> Gracia

>

> > can you order t3 off the internet?

> >

> >

> > Re: weight

> >

> >

> > > It could be that you are hormone resistant, and in that case,

you

> > > may need to add some T3 to your regimen. It could also be that

you

> > > simply do not respond to Armour...

> > > I didnt. My weight stabilized quickly after I switched to

Synthroid.

> > > Others need Thyrolar, it just depends...

> > > Fortunately I have a doc who doesnt mind my switchin around!

> > >

> > > C.

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

weight is a big problem for most people with this disease. being on the right

medication, right dosage, the diet that's optimal for you, exercise,

supplements...so many things play a factor is your weight loss.

once I started on thyroid hormones, I lost the weight i needed. I had been stuck

at the same weight (150 pounds) for about 7 years I think. Then in Dec.2002/Jan.

2003 I picked up about 7 pounds. I started on thyroid hormones in Feb. or March

2003...just about a year ago. I went from about 157 to 132 from the time I

started the hormones until around June 2003. I've been the same weight (give or

take the usual 1 or 2 pound fluctuations) since last summer.

take care, sheila

angiesplacedaycare <angiesplacedaycare@...> wrote:

you guys are talking weight how much weight. Because i have been on a

diet for a year off andf on never to seem to loose just gain and then

after i noticed so many other things staring to go wrong with me i

finally went to the doc and they said i have hypothyroidism. i just

need to get advice on it all.

>

> I think so http://www.smart-drugs.net

> but you would be better off with Armour IMO.

> Gracia

>

> > can you order t3 off the internet?

> >

> >

> > Re: weight

> >

> >

> > > It could be that you are hormone resistant, and in that case,

you

> > > may need to add some T3 to your regimen. It could also be that

you

> > > simply do not respond to Armour...

> > > I didnt. My weight stabilized quickly after I switched to

Synthroid.

> > > Others need Thyrolar, it just depends...

> > > Fortunately I have a doc who doesnt mind my switchin around!

> > >

> > > C.

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Chuck, what happens if you do to much exercise in one day?

Bev

Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:

Bev,

You wrote:

> Chuck,

> Since your thyroid doesn't function at all w/o meds. How is your weight? ...

It's a struggle, the typical story for this list. I lost about 40 pounds

in six months doing the low carb thing. However, my system seems to have

adjusted since then, and I found that nothing would prevent the weight

from coming back except calorie restriction.

In principle, the medication should fully replace the lost function. My

TSH was at 2.5 several months ago. It might help if it were lower, but

the doc does not want to push it, particularly since the T4 doses only

come in increments of 12.5 mcg. Also, I don't seem to have any other

symptoms now, unless I do too much exercise in one day.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Bev,

You wrote:

> Chuck, what happens if you do to much exercise in one day?

There is more on this in our archives. The short version is that you

temporarily run out of T3 and become hypoT.

The rate at which you use T3 increases with exercise. Thus, you get the

paradoxical effect that exercise actually DECREASES your metabolism

instead of increasing it. I experience this as " the wall, " a sudden

extreme fatigue, causing me to just sit and stare for an hour or two. If

I limit the time and intensity of the exercise, I don't run into this.

Folks on this list tell me that taking some form of T3 will help, but I

am still just on straight T4, at least so far.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

<<<The short version is that you temporarily run out of T3 and become hypoT.

> The rate at which you use T3 increases with exercise. Thus, you get the

> paradoxical effect that exercise actually DECREASES your metabolism

> instead of increasing it. I experience this as " the wall, " a sudden

> extreme fatigue, causing me to just sit and stare for an hour or two. If

> I limit the time and intensity of the exercise, I don't run into this.>>>>

I've never heard of this before... and boy, does that explain a lot... I've

noticed this sort of pattern with me but didn't understand why it was

happening... I'd get to a point of feeling pretty good and then be a lot

more active doing things, and then I'd 'crash' or hit a wall and be wiped

out for a couple of days, or even a week or two... a real roller-coaster in

terms of energy. I've been trying really hard to figure out why this has

been the case and how to modulate it.

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

> ... I've been trying really hard to figure out why this has

> been the case and how to modulate it.

One way is to take a little extra T4 on the days you know you will be

active. However, that can be dangerous. Only take a tiny bit extra.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

You think taking T4 would be better than taking T3 in such a situation? I

wonder because the T3 is more immediately available, and the T4 has to be

converted?

Re: Weight

> ,

>

> You wrote:

>

>> ... I've been trying really hard to figure out why this has

>> been the case and how to modulate it.

>

> One way is to take a little extra T4 on the days you know you will be

> active. However, that can be dangerous. Only take a tiny bit extra.

>

> Chuck

>

>

>

>

>

>