Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 To me this is an example of how toxic, dangerous and unhealthy this medical system has become. It is maddening. They seem to have no knowledge of how the body actually works, and how to support health instead of disease. Schwarzbein (and I) think saturated fats are just fine. Sugar, refined carbs and manufactured fats do the damage. Gracia > Gracia, > > You wrote: > > > ... She says the more you avoid cholesterol, the > > more the body will overproduce, so then drugs are required. " To lower > > cholesterol, eat more cholesterol, cholesterol is good for us " . I totoally > > agree and was quite appalled at the latest pharma recommendations. ... > > Interesting mix of views. > > I have never seen any reports of an inverse cholesterol reaction; that > eating more results in a lower total, but it is clear that dietary > cholesterol contributes a much smaller amount to our total level than > what our own system produces. OTOH, saturated fats and simple sugars > have both been shown to increase total cholesterol and especially the > LDL component. > > The recent recommendations I was referring to were published in the > journal _Circulation_. They were endorsed by a number of professional > organizations, including the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute, > the American Heart Association, and the American College of Cardiology. > Although they are hardly shills for the pharmaceutical companies, the > recommendations call for much lower total cholesterol and LDL numbers > for everyone. Generally this means earlier prescriptions and larger > doses of the statin family of drugs. The pharmaceutical companies that > make these drugs were probably delighted. > > I do wonder whether the recommendations would have been be so urgent, if > the patents on the first statins had already run out. > > Chuck > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Gracia, You wrote: > > ... Schwarzbein (and I) think saturated fats are just fine. Sugar, refined > carbs and manufactured fats do the damage. Many of the saturated fats in the market are also manufactured. That's how they become saturated. Racemization and oxidation are a problem for all them, except perhaps for unhydrogenated coconut oil. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 i think its salad tha does the damage sugar nad cocoa puffs are good for you (dont i wish) I was watching the news and they sid it was an all time low of teen pregnancies/drug abuse/and violence.. but we are getting even fatter than before. so i guess we can lull our children with fat to keep them uh from doing bad things to OTHER ppl... its cuz they too tired to have sex and go out anthrow things. Re: Statins > > To me this is an example of how toxic, dangerous and unhealthy this medical > system has become. It is maddening. They seem to have no knowledge of how > the body actually works, and how to support health instead of disease. > Schwarzbein (and I) think saturated fats are just fine. Sugar, refined > carbs and manufactured fats do the damage. > Gracia > > > > Gracia, > > > > You wrote: > > > > > ... She says the more you avoid cholesterol, the > > > more the body will overproduce, so then drugs are required. " To lower > > > cholesterol, eat more cholesterol, cholesterol is good for us " . I > totoally > > > agree and was quite appalled at the latest pharma recommendations. ... > > > > Interesting mix of views. > > > > I have never seen any reports of an inverse cholesterol reaction; that > > eating more results in a lower total, but it is clear that dietary > > cholesterol contributes a much smaller amount to our total level than > > what our own system produces. OTOH, saturated fats and simple sugars > > have both been shown to increase total cholesterol and especially the > > LDL component. > > > > The recent recommendations I was referring to were published in the > > journal _Circulation_. They were endorsed by a number of professional > > organizations, including the National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute, > > the American Heart Association, and the American College of Cardiology. > > Although they are hardly shills for the pharmaceutical companies, the > > recommendations call for much lower total cholesterol and LDL numbers > > for everyone. Generally this means earlier prescriptions and larger > > doses of the statin family of drugs. The pharmaceutical companies that > > make these drugs were probably delighted. > > > > I do wonder whether the recommendations would have been be so urgent, if > > the patents on the first statins had already run out. > > > > Chuck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 I found all oil give me terrible cramps in my stomach.. I tried olive oil and canola and oils are now out of my diet. canola acts as a laxative anyway. I know what to eat now when i need to go and its not fiber Re: Statins > Gracia, > > You wrote: > > > > > ... Schwarzbein (and I) think saturated fats are just fine. Sugar, refined > > carbs and manufactured fats do the damage. > > Many of the saturated fats in the market are also manufactured. That's > how they become saturated. Racemization and oxidation are a problem for > all them, except perhaps for unhydrogenated coconut oil. > > Chuck > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Latest news this morning says it's time to put our kids on lowfat diets and statins. Gracia > Gracia, > > You wrote: > > > > > ... Schwarzbein (and I) think saturated fats are just fine. Sugar, refined > > carbs and manufactured fats do the damage. > > Many of the saturated fats in the market are also manufactured. That's > how they become saturated. Racemization and oxidation are a problem for > all them, except perhaps for unhydrogenated coconut oil. > > Chuck > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 In a message dated 1/29/2006 3:22:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: This means reading the labels of what you buy. the best defense is to stop buing things with labels. even WITH a label there can still be 500 mg of trans fat in a product that says NO TRANSFAT along with the other 20,000 chemicals they can put in packaged food and not tell you what it is or if it's there. People are basically lazy. Change takes effort. Why stop eating junk food and slabs of meat when you can take a pill and make Big Pharma richer than they already are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 In a message dated 1/29/2006 3:22:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: This means reading the labels of what you buy. the best defense is to stop buing things with labels. even WITH a label there can still be 500 mg of trans fat in a product that says NO TRANSFAT along with the other 20,000 chemicals they can put in packaged food and not tell you what it is or if it's there. People are basically lazy. Change takes effort. Why stop eating junk food and slabs of meat when you can take a pill and make Big Pharma richer than they already are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 In a message dated 1/29/2006 3:22:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: This means reading the labels of what you buy. the best defense is to stop buing things with labels. even WITH a label there can still be 500 mg of trans fat in a product that says NO TRANSFAT along with the other 20,000 chemicals they can put in packaged food and not tell you what it is or if it's there. People are basically lazy. Change takes effort. Why stop eating junk food and slabs of meat when you can take a pill and make Big Pharma richer than they already are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 In a message dated 1/29/2006 3:22:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, SSRI medications writes: This means reading the labels of what you buy. the best defense is to stop buing things with labels. even WITH a label there can still be 500 mg of trans fat in a product that says NO TRANSFAT along with the other 20,000 chemicals they can put in packaged food and not tell you what it is or if it's there. People are basically lazy. Change takes effort. Why stop eating junk food and slabs of meat when you can take a pill and make Big Pharma richer than they already are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 I've just been prescribed Omega3 fish oils by the Royal Hospital Belfast for cholesterol & high triglycerides . This was done right in the face if the latest punt by big pharma to get the threshold made even lower by reducing our prescribing threshold to 3.5 from 4. If my Hd L is a bit low after a two to three months on omega 3 then they will try vitamin b3 (niacin) as well as the omega 3 > > > In a message dated 1/29/2006 3:22:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, > SSRI medications writes: > > This means reading the labels of what you buy. > > > > the best defense is to stop buing things with labels. even WITH a label > there can still be 500 mg of trans fat in a product that says NO TRANSFAT along > with the other 20,000 chemicals they can put in packaged food and not tell > you what it is or if it's there. People are basically lazy. Change takes > effort. Why stop eating junk food and slabs of meat when you can take a pill and > make Big Pharma richer than they already are. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 I've just been prescribed Omega3 fish oils by the Royal Hospital Belfast for cholesterol & high triglycerides . This was done right in the face if the latest punt by big pharma to get the threshold made even lower by reducing our prescribing threshold to 3.5 from 4. If my Hd L is a bit low after a two to three months on omega 3 then they will try vitamin b3 (niacin) as well as the omega 3 > > > In a message dated 1/29/2006 3:22:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, > SSRI medications writes: > > This means reading the labels of what you buy. > > > > the best defense is to stop buing things with labels. even WITH a label > there can still be 500 mg of trans fat in a product that says NO TRANSFAT along > with the other 20,000 chemicals they can put in packaged food and not tell > you what it is or if it's there. People are basically lazy. Change takes > effort. Why stop eating junk food and slabs of meat when you can take a pill and > make Big Pharma richer than they already are. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 I've just been prescribed Omega3 fish oils by the Royal Hospital Belfast for cholesterol & high triglycerides . This was done right in the face if the latest punt by big pharma to get the threshold made even lower by reducing our prescribing threshold to 3.5 from 4. If my Hd L is a bit low after a two to three months on omega 3 then they will try vitamin b3 (niacin) as well as the omega 3 > > > In a message dated 1/29/2006 3:22:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, > SSRI medications writes: > > This means reading the labels of what you buy. > > > > the best defense is to stop buing things with labels. even WITH a label > there can still be 500 mg of trans fat in a product that says NO TRANSFAT along > with the other 20,000 chemicals they can put in packaged food and not tell > you what it is or if it's there. People are basically lazy. Change takes > effort. Why stop eating junk food and slabs of meat when you can take a pill and > make Big Pharma richer than they already are. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 I've just been prescribed Omega3 fish oils by the Royal Hospital Belfast for cholesterol & high triglycerides . This was done right in the face if the latest punt by big pharma to get the threshold made even lower by reducing our prescribing threshold to 3.5 from 4. If my Hd L is a bit low after a two to three months on omega 3 then they will try vitamin b3 (niacin) as well as the omega 3 > > > In a message dated 1/29/2006 3:22:04 AM Pacific Standard Time, > SSRI medications writes: > > This means reading the labels of what you buy. > > > > the best defense is to stop buing things with labels. even WITH a label > there can still be 500 mg of trans fat in a product that says NO TRANSFAT along > with the other 20,000 chemicals they can put in packaged food and not tell > you what it is or if it's there. People are basically lazy. Change takes > effort. Why stop eating junk food and slabs of meat when you can take a pill and > make Big Pharma richer than they already are. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Bryce, I believe in the omega 3 and the niacin. I have been out of omega 3 for about a month, but I do take 350 mg of niacin a day. But still a person can not just eat anything they want and expect to get results. Reading labels is worth the effort. You need to look at how big the serving is. Transfats under a gram can be called 0, but if the serving size is a cup instead of a tablespoon, then you will get a more accurate picture. I agree a person does not really know what is in the product, but I am satisfied with my results. BTW, Bryce, my PSA was 2.0 after hitting 5.8. A PSA reading of 4.0 is when a person needs to do something about it. Sincerely, john --- bryce_j_j <jeremy.bryce@...> wrote: > > > I've just been prescribed Omega3 fish oils by the > Royal > Hospital Belfast for cholesterol & high > triglycerides . > > This was done right in the face if the latest punt > by big pharma to > get the threshold made even lower by reducing our > prescribing > threshold to 3.5 from 4. > > If my Hd L is a bit low after a two to three months > on omega 3 then > they will try vitamin b3 (niacin) as well as the > omega 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/29/2006 3:22:04 AM Pacific > Standard Time, > > SSRI medications writes: > > > > This means reading the labels of what you buy. > > > > > > > > the best defense is to stop buing things with > labels. even WITH > a label > > there can still be 500 mg of trans fat in a > product that says NO > TRANSFAT along > > with the other 20,000 chemicals they can put in > packaged food and > not tell > > you what it is or if it's there. People are > basically lazy. > Change takes > > effort. Why stop eating junk food and slabs of > meat when you can > take a pill and > > make Big Pharma richer than they already are. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Bryce, I believe in the omega 3 and the niacin. I have been out of omega 3 for about a month, but I do take 350 mg of niacin a day. But still a person can not just eat anything they want and expect to get results. Reading labels is worth the effort. You need to look at how big the serving is. Transfats under a gram can be called 0, but if the serving size is a cup instead of a tablespoon, then you will get a more accurate picture. I agree a person does not really know what is in the product, but I am satisfied with my results. BTW, Bryce, my PSA was 2.0 after hitting 5.8. A PSA reading of 4.0 is when a person needs to do something about it. Sincerely, john --- bryce_j_j <jeremy.bryce@...> wrote: > > > I've just been prescribed Omega3 fish oils by the > Royal > Hospital Belfast for cholesterol & high > triglycerides . > > This was done right in the face if the latest punt > by big pharma to > get the threshold made even lower by reducing our > prescribing > threshold to 3.5 from 4. > > If my Hd L is a bit low after a two to three months > on omega 3 then > they will try vitamin b3 (niacin) as well as the > omega 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/29/2006 3:22:04 AM Pacific > Standard Time, > > SSRI medications writes: > > > > This means reading the labels of what you buy. > > > > > > > > the best defense is to stop buing things with > labels. even WITH > a label > > there can still be 500 mg of trans fat in a > product that says NO > TRANSFAT along > > with the other 20,000 chemicals they can put in > packaged food and > not tell > > you what it is or if it's there. People are > basically lazy. > Change takes > > effort. Why stop eating junk food and slabs of > meat when you can > take a pill and > > make Big Pharma richer than they already are. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Bryce, I believe in the omega 3 and the niacin. I have been out of omega 3 for about a month, but I do take 350 mg of niacin a day. But still a person can not just eat anything they want and expect to get results. Reading labels is worth the effort. You need to look at how big the serving is. Transfats under a gram can be called 0, but if the serving size is a cup instead of a tablespoon, then you will get a more accurate picture. I agree a person does not really know what is in the product, but I am satisfied with my results. BTW, Bryce, my PSA was 2.0 after hitting 5.8. A PSA reading of 4.0 is when a person needs to do something about it. Sincerely, john --- bryce_j_j <jeremy.bryce@...> wrote: > > > I've just been prescribed Omega3 fish oils by the > Royal > Hospital Belfast for cholesterol & high > triglycerides . > > This was done right in the face if the latest punt > by big pharma to > get the threshold made even lower by reducing our > prescribing > threshold to 3.5 from 4. > > If my Hd L is a bit low after a two to three months > on omega 3 then > they will try vitamin b3 (niacin) as well as the > omega 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/29/2006 3:22:04 AM Pacific > Standard Time, > > SSRI medications writes: > > > > This means reading the labels of what you buy. > > > > > > > > the best defense is to stop buing things with > labels. even WITH > a label > > there can still be 500 mg of trans fat in a > product that says NO > TRANSFAT along > > with the other 20,000 chemicals they can put in > packaged food and > not tell > > you what it is or if it's there. People are > basically lazy. > Change takes > > effort. Why stop eating junk food and slabs of > meat when you can > take a pill and > > make Big Pharma richer than they already are. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2006 Report Share Posted January 29, 2006 Bryce, I believe in the omega 3 and the niacin. I have been out of omega 3 for about a month, but I do take 350 mg of niacin a day. But still a person can not just eat anything they want and expect to get results. Reading labels is worth the effort. You need to look at how big the serving is. Transfats under a gram can be called 0, but if the serving size is a cup instead of a tablespoon, then you will get a more accurate picture. I agree a person does not really know what is in the product, but I am satisfied with my results. BTW, Bryce, my PSA was 2.0 after hitting 5.8. A PSA reading of 4.0 is when a person needs to do something about it. Sincerely, john --- bryce_j_j <jeremy.bryce@...> wrote: > > > I've just been prescribed Omega3 fish oils by the > Royal > Hospital Belfast for cholesterol & high > triglycerides . > > This was done right in the face if the latest punt > by big pharma to > get the threshold made even lower by reducing our > prescribing > threshold to 3.5 from 4. > > If my Hd L is a bit low after a two to three months > on omega 3 then > they will try vitamin b3 (niacin) as well as the > omega 3 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 1/29/2006 3:22:04 AM Pacific > Standard Time, > > SSRI medications writes: > > > > This means reading the labels of what you buy. > > > > > > > > the best defense is to stop buing things with > labels. even WITH > a label > > there can still be 500 mg of trans fat in a > product that says NO > TRANSFAT along > > with the other 20,000 chemicals they can put in > packaged food and > not tell > > you what it is or if it's there. People are > basically lazy. > Change takes > > effort. Why stop eating junk food and slabs of > meat when you can > take a pill and > > make Big Pharma richer than they already are. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2007 Report Share Posted September 1, 2007 That is superb nne - I am so pleased we can transfer some of the messages over. Well done. Go to the top of the class! Luv - Sheila > > Lilian > Super Moderator > > > Joined: Sunday April 1st, 2007 > Location: United Kingdom > Posts: 168 > Status: Offline > Posted: Wednesday August 8th, 2007 21:11 Edit Delete > IP Quote Reply > > http://news.netdoctor.co.uk/news_detail.php?id=18238094 > > They are now considering giving Statins to children. > > Barry Groves was so right when he said years ago when statins first > came out that the pharmaceutical companies had spent so much money on > producing them that they will have to get their money back somehow > and that eventually they will find a reason to give them to > everyone. We are getting there it seems. > > > > Glynis > Approved Member > > > Joined: Monday April 2nd, 2007 > Location: > Posts: 131 > Status: Offline > Posted: Wednesday August 8th, 2007 22:42 Edit Delete > IP Quote Reply > > I've already come across this, scary!!! > > > Lilian > Super Moderator > > > Joined: Sunday April 1st, 2007 > Location: United Kingdom > Posts: 168 > Status: Offline > Posted: Thursday August 9th, 2007 08:21 Edit Delete > IP Quote Reply > > I suppose the ultimate would be for statins to be added to bread and > cereals lol > > Or perhaps not so funny when you consider that 'they' were persuaded > that adding fluoride to everyone's drinking water was a good thing > (when fluoride is a poisonous by product of manufacturing (cant > remember what) and it would have cost the producers millions to get > rid of it safely. What a wheeze, and I bet they got paid for it > too. > > > > > > Jan Kocan > Approved Member > > > Joined: Monday April 2nd, 2007 > Location: > Posts: 28 > Status: Offline > Posted: Friday August 10th, 2007 14:51 Edit Delete IP > Quote Reply > > EEK > Perish the thought..dh has FH but there is no way my kids wil have > statins...They have a 50% chance of it but I don't know if any are > affected.. > Dh has bought Malcom Kendrick book about statins ( The Great > Cholestrol Con " and I've just started to read it > I'm always dubious about drugs being pushed onto the public.. > Jan x > > > Sheila > Approved Member > > > Joined: Wednesday April 25th, 2007 > Location: > Posts: 685 > Status: Offline > Posted: Saturday August 11th, 2007 17:52 Edit Delete > IP Quote Reply > > Jan, has your husband had the thyroid function tests. Anybody who has > high cholesterol should be suspected of having hypothyroidism. It > might be interesting if he gets the test done to see what is > happening, if anything > > had high Cholesterol, he was put on Statins and got all the > horrors they keep telling us about lately, he stopped them and > started using CoEnzyme Q10 in high doses and non-flushing Niacin, > again in high doses and his cholesterol has dropped - so has his BP > which I am delighted about. > > Luv - Sheila > > > > Lilian > Super Moderator > > > Joined: Sunday April 1st, 2007 > Location: United Kingdom > Posts: 168 > Status: Offline > Posted: Saturday August 11th, 2007 23:21 Edit Delete > IP Quote Reply > > It might well have dropped because his hypothyroidism is being > treated properly. > > > > Jan Kocan > Approved Member > > > Joined: Monday April 2nd, 2007 > Location: > Posts: 28 > Status: Offline > Posted: Sunday August 12th, 2007 20:34 Edit Delete IP > Quote Reply > > Hi Sheila, > dh hasn't had thryoid done..tbh he has much too energy to consider > hyoT, but then again he has been tired more recently. > His cholesterol will always be raised because its a hereditary > condition rather than dietery prob, although he is careful to limit > butter and cream intake! > He takes,( or should be taking although I can't always check on him) > cardioace vitamin supplements which have coQ10 I believe. His > cholesterol was a bit high recently and he went to CCU for fast AF a > couple of times but it was prob just the stress of dealing with GMC > stuff and Tribunal. > Glad to hear your dh is in fine fettle > Jan x > > > Sheila > Approved Member > > > Joined: Wednesday April 25th, 2007 > Location: > Posts: 685 > Status: Offline > Posted: Sunday August 12th, 2007 21:25 Edit Delete IP > Quote Reply > > Hi Jan > > isn't in fine fettle at the moment. A couple of days ago he > started having a pain in his right knee which has become quite severe > today and he can hardly walk on it. We have just noticed his knee to > be very swollen and even his leg looks swollen but he only has pain > in his knee. He can't remember knocking it or tripping or banging it > or anything, so not sure where this has come from. > > He's off to the doctors first thing in the morning - and when I > brought out the old crutches from the shed which I kept after I had a > broken leg, he glared at me and promised he would NOT be using them. > I think he will think again in the morning. > > Luv - Sheila > > > > Lilian > Super Moderator > > > Joined: Sunday April 1st, 2007 > Location: United Kingdom > Posts: 168 > Status: Offline > Posted: Sunday August 12th, 2007 22:16 Edit Delete IP > Quote Reply > > Hypothyroidism can also be hereditary. > > > > stargazer > Approved Member > > > Joined: Saturday May 12th, 2007 > Location: United Kingdom > Posts: 47 > Status: Offline > Posted: Friday August 17th, 2007 11:06 Edit Delete IP > Quote Reply > > Hi Lillian, > > This news is really scary! Serrapaptase is a good way to keep the > arteries in good shape, as is physical exercise - maybe that is the > real problem. Exercise can also help lower cholesterol. The other > thing we must consider is are more and more children becoming > hypothyroid due to environmental toxins, hormone disrupters and the > ever increasing number of vaccinations given to very young babies!!! > > Luv, > Anne xxx > > > > stargazer > Approved Member > > > Joined: Saturday May 12th, 2007 > Location: United Kingdom > Posts: 47 > Status: Offline > Posted: Saturday September 1st, 2007 15:52 Edit Delete > IP Quote Reply > > Did anyone see the recent item on BBC ~Breakfast News telling us > that statins could prevent Alzheimers disease? Another way of > getting their money back? > > Luv, > > Anne > > > > Camillo > Super Moderator > > > Joined: Sunday May 13th, 2007 > Location: > Posts: 78 > Status: Online > Posted: Saturday September 1st, 2007 16:12 Edit Delete > IP Quote Reply > > I didn't hear this but somebody did tell me there was an item in a > national newspaper saying this was the case. They will now start to > tell you that Statins are the magic pill and will cure everything and > anything - well they have to, don't they as the Government needs to > claw back the money that has been spent. What a crazy world we live > in . > > Camillo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2008 Report Share Posted August 2, 2008 http://www.lifeclinic.com/focus/nutrition/vitamin-b3.asp http://www.womens-health-symmetry.com/niacin.html http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/natural/patient-coenzymeq10.html http://www.thenutritionreporter.com/coenzymeq10.html http://www.cancer.org/docroot/ETO/content/ETO_5_3X_Coenzyme_Q10.asp Tehse might help you understand the need for Niacin and CoenzymeQ10 Luv - Sheila statins Hi Sheila some time ago you mention about stopping statins and taking co enzime q10 i have no heart problems and my cholestrol is well undercontrol and i always blame my thyroid for the problem of cholestroland blood pressure i had no ailments till my thyroid started, apartfrom arthritis, which i think we all have in this country.Could youtell me how much i would have to take? e.g. 30gms or 100gms and whatis niacin for i know you mentioned this to me as well. I had a touchof IBS yesterday felt really tired and legs were so painful this issomething i never suffered with till recently then it is only occasional but yesterday it knocked me for six and it has left mefeeling a little fragile today. Luv Marie No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1586 - Release Date: 01/08/2008 18:59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 > > > > Hi is there a link between High Cholesterol and Hypothyroidism? I get that impression reading the posts. My Cholesterol is 9.2. I tried statins for 2 and a half weeks and they made me really ill. Generally a worstening of ME symptoms. Slept most of the two weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Hi Yes, there is a VERY big link between high cholesterol and hypothyroidism, being hypothyroid causes low metabolism, low metabolism causes raised cholesterol - that is a very simplified version, but know that in the 'good old days' a high cholesterol was counted as a very strong indicator of the patient being hypothyroid. Statins are a terrible drug and these are being pushed to excess - and to some danger with some patients. You can lower your high cholesterol naturally yourself by taking high dose non-flushing Niacin (vitamin B3) - around 350 mgs and also high dose CoEnzymeQ10 (around 300mgs). The cheapest source for these is www.iherb.com . My husband was put on statins - had a bad reaction, and it was a doctor I didn't even know who contacted me for something else from our website who told me these were the best medications to take to lower cholesterol naturally. luv - Sheil > Hi is there a link between High Cholesterol and Hypothyroidism? I get that impression reading the posts. My Cholesterol is 9.2. I tried statins for 2 and a half weeks and they made me really ill. Generally a worstening of ME symptoms. Slept most of the two weeks.No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1587 - Release Date: 02/08/2008 17:30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 > > Hi Sheila thank you for the info will get onto that straight away. Thanks also for web address. I'll see if they do NADH as well. I now have my last Thyroid tests Oct 07.They were normal I think. FT4 21 TSH 1.33. They look normal to me according to the info you gave on the web site. Those are the only tests they do. What do you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2008 Report Share Posted August 4, 2008 Yes, they do appear to be reasonably normal - though your FT4 is quite high. Pity they didn't do the Free T3. Perhaps you should get your Ferritin level (stored iron) tested to make sure it is in a good place within the reference range. It should be around 70 to 90 in a reference interval of around 20 to 200. Some people with hypothyroidism though can have a very low ferritin level, and this stops the conversion of T4 to T3 or the thyroid hormones being properly absorbed and can cause you to have a toxic effect. luv - Sheila > Hi Sheila thank you for the info will get onto that straight away. Thanks also for web address. I'll see if they do NADH as well. I now have my last Thyroid tests Oct 07.They were normal I think. FT4 21 TSH 1.33. They look normal to me according to the info you gave on the web site. Those are the only tests they do.What do you think?No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1589 - Release Date: 03/08/2008 13:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 > > > > Taken my temp two mornings and my thermometer is a digital so no idea what's normal but mine was 36.2, 36.4 am off on holiday so will do three in a row when I get back. Do they look low? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Normal temp is 36.8/98.4 so no yours arent that low at all From: Doohan <chris_doohan2003@...>Subject: Re: statinsthyroid treatment Date: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008, 12:23 PM > >> > Taken my temp two mornings and my thermometer is a digital so no idea what's normal but mine was 36.2, 36.4 am off on holiday so will do three in a row when I get back. Do they look low?Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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