Exciting time in the Lyme realm!!!!

[Guest guest]

I am working with some very incredible people at this time and would like to

share some info.....

I posted the newsletter that is about to be published called FOCUS by Allergy

Research Group that is ALL ABOUT LYME DISEASE!!!! I was asked (and very

honored) to be the feature article BUT there is also articles by Dr. Whitaker,

Dr.

Kane, etc.

I would be more than happy to send a hardcopy via snail mail to anyone that

wants one. Please write to      suemassie45@...      I am keeping a list.

NEXT!!! Just spoke with Dr. Rowen whom interviewed me and would like to share

with you some interesting points about lyme. Please ck his website   <A

HREF= " www.doctorrowen.com " >

www.doctorrowen.com</A> and  scroll down and READ his latest newsletter called

" Second

Opinion " > HE UNDERSTANDS THAT FIBRO/CFIDS/ ETC is or can be contributing to

lyme!!!! He is writing another scientific abstract and a book. He also said to

check out <A HREF= " www.hemex.com " >www.hemex.com</A> about lyme and coagulation

(the sludge effect).

This all coordinates with Allergy Research info that I have acquired as well.

I have ALS/lyme clients GETTING BETTER!!!!! and lymies as well. (including

myself).

This IS an exciting time.

Sue Massie, CNHP

sue in nj

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/24/2003 9:04:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jseaton357@... writes:

> Ok, so basically Allergy Research is going to be soon carrying the Samento

> product that has been out for a while? Does Allergy Research just carry

> other

> brands that are already out or do they make their own products too?

>

>

>

Allergy Research Group makes and formulates their OWN products and their

products are already on the market. I have them right here!!!!

Please really read the newsletter FOCUS and PRINT it, If you cannot find it,

let me know and I will send it via the internet and/or snail mail.

THIS IS CRUCIAL INFO ABOUT NATURAL PROTOCOL FOR LYME.

The Cat's Claw or Somento.... they are the SAME thing...... is a very strong

natural antibiotic-like substance.

Artemesinin (by Allergy Research Group or ARG) is a strong anti-malaria -

like substance.

The problem with lyme in my opinion is NOT just the spirochetes.... it is the

NEUROTOXINS or the toxicity that is stored in the lipids (fats) that KEEPS us

so sick!!!!! We develop web-like/cotton ball fibers in our blood which makes

our blood thick and 'sticky'. ARG has another great product called NATTOKINASE

which cleans up these fibers. This is why I also do the CLEANSING (colon,

liver, kidney, etc) to RID the body of toxins!!!

Just FYI

sue massie, CNHP

Nature's Garden of Health

732 933-4011

[Guest guest]

> I checked out the web site for Allergy Research Group which seems

to be a

> company in business to sell supplements, led by Levine,

> Ph.D., Could this company have a completely unbiased approach to

treating

> Lyme and other disease?

>

> DT

>

It has been over a year since I posted on this forum but I couldn't

pass on this one. Go to the files section and really read the

articles in thier newsletter. The story of Sue Massey's experiences

never mentioned any products. JoAnne Whitaker does the Bowen testing

and never mentions any products. Lida Mattman is a friend of the lyme

world and has been a researcher working with spirochetes and L-forms

for simply forever, it is her life's work. Again she never talks

about treatments. Although Kanes does mention the use of

Cat's Claw and artemisinin, her main work is with lipids,

prostaglandins and leukotrienes.

But what really prompted me to write is because of thier article on

TOA-Free Cat's Claw in treating Lyme. This was simply amazing and

very impressive. I am not talking about the research here, I am

refering to the fact that Allergy Research Group, while offering

Cat's Claw doesn't presently list either samento or a TOA-free Cat's

Claw. There is presently only one company listing this product, IT IS

THIER COMPETITOR: Nutricology!

[Guest guest]

wrote:

**that is why whitaker or bowen test are wortheless.

they have almost all positives.

Hi ,

What is wrong with the RIBb test? Just because

you are shocked by the results of the test does

not reflect on the validity of the test.

Jack

[Guest guest]

> Probably they are not the be all and end all for most

>lymies but I suspect they will be very helpful. I personally do not

>place much stock in Dr. Whitaker's beliefs, her tests; or the idea

>that lyme is ubiquitous and routinely transmitted every which way

>(sex, flies, mosquitoes).

**that is why whitaker or bowen test are wortheless. they have almost all

positives.

> I know that when I got bit by a tick on

>the back of my knee 3 years ago something came into my body that was

>unlike anything I'd ever had and was more virulent than any organism

>I could have imagined.

**i was bit on back of knee and i knew within 7 days i had lyme.

a year and a half later i am functioning pretty well, but i still

have it. sugar will put me in relapse. i am still working on figuring

what carbs are a problem. maybe many of them or most of them.

> I do believe however that when people come

>from endemic areas particularly the northeast and show up with MS or

>lupus or fibro/CFIDs, they are likely to have lyme.

**i have two friends from an endemic area of minnesota who have moved into

my area. one suffered an attack of uveitis and the other has had shaking

and twitches in one arm. i have alerted them of the connection, but few

believe it. i don't press the issue because treatment itself is ambiguous

and there seems to be no magic bullet.

--

best,

willian

[Guest guest]

I have heard Willie Burgdorfer, as in Borreliosis burgdorferi, state that

Lyme is transmitted by flies and mosquitoes. I believe he has published

that. He also believes he got his Lyme when a lab rabbit urinated on him.

Rita.

[ ] Re: Exciting time in the Lyme realm!!!!

> > Probably they are not the be all and end all for most

> >lymies but I suspect they will be very helpful. I personally do not

> >place much stock in Dr. Whitaker's beliefs, her tests; or the idea

> >that lyme is ubiquitous and routinely transmitted every which way

> >(sex, flies, mosquitoes).

>

> **that is why whitaker or bowen test are wortheless. they have almost all

> positives.

>

> > I know that when I got bit by a tick on

> >the back of my knee 3 years ago something came into my body that was

> >unlike anything I'd ever had and was more virulent than any organism

> >I could have imagined.

>

> **i was bit on back of knee and i knew within 7 days i had lyme.

> a year and a half later i am functioning pretty well, but i still

> have it. sugar will put me in relapse. i am still working on figuring

> what carbs are a problem. maybe many of them or most of them.

>

> > I do believe however that when people come

> >from endemic areas particularly the northeast and show up with MS or

> >lupus or fibro/CFIDs, they are likely to have lyme.

>

> **i have two friends from an endemic area of minnesota who have moved into

> my area. one suffered an attack of uveitis and the other has had shaking

> and twitches in one arm. i have alerted them of the connection, but few

> believe it. i don't press the issue because treatment itself is ambiguous

> and there seems to be no magic bullet.

>

>

>

> --

> best,

> willian

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Change the mosquito to fleas. Rita

[ ] Re: Exciting time in the Lyme realm!!!!

>

>

> > > Probably they are not the be all and end all for most

> > >lymies but I suspect they will be very helpful. I personally do not

> > >place much stock in Dr. Whitaker's beliefs, her tests; or the idea

> > >that lyme is ubiquitous and routinely transmitted every which way

> > >(sex, flies, mosquitoes).

> >

> > **that is why whitaker or bowen test are wortheless. they have almost

all

> > positives.

> >

> > > I know that when I got bit by a tick on

> > >the back of my knee 3 years ago something came into my body that was

> > >unlike anything I'd ever had and was more virulent than any organism

> > >I could have imagined.

> >

> > **i was bit on back of knee and i knew within 7 days i had lyme.

> > a year and a half later i am functioning pretty well, but i still

> > have it. sugar will put me in relapse. i am still working on figuring

> > what carbs are a problem. maybe many of them or most of them.

> >

> > > I do believe however that when people come

> > >from endemic areas particularly the northeast and show up with MS or

> > >lupus or fibro/CFIDs, they are likely to have lyme.

> >

> > **i have two friends from an endemic area of minnesota who have moved

into

> > my area. one suffered an attack of uveitis and the other has had shaking

> > and twitches in one arm. i have alerted them of the connection, but few

> > believe it. i don't press the issue because treatment itself is

ambiguous

> > and there seems to be no magic bullet.

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > best,

> > willian

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

hi jack

let us assume you have the choice of going to an " oracle " for a

yes or no answer.

if you know beforehand the oracle says " yes " 99% of the time,

why not just assume the answer is " yes " ?

what information would be gained by going to the oracle?

this does not address the cost of the " oracle " or the question

of the corresctness of the oracles responses,

those would be additional factors.

> wrote:

>

>**that is why whitaker or bowen test are wortheless.

>they have almost all positives.

>

>Hi ,

>

>What is wrong with the RIBb test? Just because

>you are shocked by the results of the test does

>not reflect on the validity of the test.

>

>Jack

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

william meyer wrote:

>

> hi jack

> let us assume you have the choice of going to an " oracle " for a

> yes or no answer.

> if you know beforehand the oracle says " yes " 99% of the time,

> why not just assume the answer is " yes " ?

> what information would be gained by going to the oracle?

>

> this does not address the cost of the " oracle " or the question

> of the corresctness of the oracles responses,

> those would be additional factors.

Hi ,

You have presented no numbers showing that 99%

of RIBb test reults are positive. It's true that

one would be further ahead flipping a coin

rather than wasting money on the Western Blot

or ELISA -- see http://www.avonhistory.org/bugwar/

for documentation. I am truly interested in

any quantitative and procedural criticism of the

RIBb test. If you have any such information,

please share it with us.

Jack

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

Correcting the reference I just posted, please

see http://www.avonhistory.org/bug/bugwar.htm

Thanks, Jack

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/30/03 12:07:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

writes:

> Probably they are not the be all and end all for most

>lymies but I suspect they will be very helpful. I personally do not

>place much stock in Dr. Whitaker's beliefs, her tests; or the idea

>that lyme is ubiquitous and routinely transmitted every which way

>(sex, flies, mosquitoes).

**that is why whitaker or bowen test are wortheless. they have almost all

positives.

I just found out more from people who know Whitaker well. They said her

tests used to not be all positive. But anyway, I think her titers she does now

have been out for less than 9 months and so maybe that's another good

development from her? I am not sure.