R-ALA

[Guest guest]

LDN is on my list to talk to my doc about.

I checked in the health food store, and it is by script only, not OTC.

From: Angelo <tommybad238@...>Subject: [ ] R-ALA Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 4:11 PM

i believe dr. berkson uses R/S from germany... i get chinese bulk which isprobably turning me into a countertop laminate over time.

Dr Burt Berkson recommends not to get it from the Chinese. He also recommends the regular ALA and not the R form for reasons I heard him say but can not repeat only because I can't remember. He is the one who started the ALA for hep C along with milk thistle and selenium. He wrote a book on ALA. Google Dr Burt Berson and you'll find his studies. He is very big in Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN)

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i was just trying to find the reasons i'd read somewhere about not using the

R- form but nothing turned up in my files and i ended up flipping over and

buying a bunch of the R- form. so now i have both of what dr. berkson

recommends against. great. the R- form is expensive... hopefully dr.

berkson doesn't like it because it's just not worth the extra $ and nothing

to do with effects?

i'd prefer to not buy chinese products that could affect my health, but

that's not possible down here on the bottom of the economic strata. next

month me and my whole med stash might be trying to live out of my car in the

woods somewhere.

i'll certainly be using up what i have, hoping the R/S will stretch the R-

and it'll all last more than a year.

now i'm shopping for 80% silymarin MT extract. i've been using fresh ground

seeds in food + capped up MT powder. i've tried to find how much silymarin

is in whole seed and only found i ref that said 3-4%. that was from a

distributor of bulk in china. so it looks like i'm not using nearly enough

and need some extract to go with my ALA. Life Extension has some that's way

expensive, but has other parts of the seed as well as silymarin with it and

makes that seem important. i'm thinking i'll get the NOW foods caps which

are pretty cheap in comparison and keep using the powder and whole seed as

well to get some of the other stuff. best i can do. NOW foods MT is

probably chinese?

________________________________

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Angelo

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:12 PM

Subject: [ ] R-ALA

i believe dr. berkson uses R/S from germany... i get chinese bulk

which is

probably turning me into a countertop laminate over time.

Dr Burt Berkson recommends not to get it from the Chinese. He also

recommends the regular ALA and not the R form for reasons I heard him say

but can not repeat only because I can't remember. He is the one who started

the ALA for hep C along with milk thistle and selenium. He wrote a book on

ALA. Google Dr Burt Berson and you'll find his studies. He is very big in

Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN)

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob

I have been thinking the same thoughts regaurding where to live if my SSI-medicare gets cut off.

I wonder if there is a commune for Heppers, where we can find shelter, combine resources and support, and survive. Perhaps with doctors nearby.

I should think that with so many infected, some would be rich, and could creat such a place.

Im facing a homeless shelter should my 'assets' cease, because I dont own a car.

Does anyone have any info on this topic?

love

don in ks

From: bob Larson <bobList@...>Subject: RE: [ ] R-ALA Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 4:32 PM

i was just trying to find the reasons i'd read somewhere about not using theR- form but nothing turned up in my files and i ended up flipping over andbuying a bunch of the R- form. so now i have both of what dr. berksonrecommends against. great. the R- form is expensive... hopefully dr.berkson doesn't like it because it's just not worth the extra $ and nothingto do with effects?i'd prefer to not buy chinese products that could affect my health, butthat's not possible down here on the bottom of the economic strata. nextmonth me and my whole med stash might be trying to live out of my car in thewoods somewhere.i'll certainly be using up what i have, hoping the R/S will stretch the R-and it'll all last more than a year.now i'm shopping for 80% silymarin MT extract. i've been using fresh groundseeds in food + capped up MT powder. i've tried to

find how much silymarinis in whole seed and only found i ref that said 3-4%. that was from adistributor of bulk in china. so it looks like i'm not using nearly enoughand need some extract to go with my ALA. Life Extension has some that's wayexpensive, but has other parts of the seed as well as silymarin with it andmakes that seem important. i'm thinking i'll get the NOW foods caps whichare pretty cheap in comparison and keep using the powder and whole seed aswell to get some of the other stuff. best i can do. NOW foods MT isprobably chinese?________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Angelo Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:12 PM Subject: [ ] R-ALA i believe dr. berkson uses R/S from germany... i get chinese bulkwhich is probably turning me into a countertop laminate over time. Dr Burt Berkson recommends not to get it from the Chinese. He alsorecommends the regular

ALA and not the R form for reasons I heard him saybut can not repeat only because I can't remember. He is the one who startedthe ALA for hep C along with milk thistle and selenium. He wrote a book onALA. Google Dr Burt Berson and you'll find his studies. He is very big inLow Dose Naltrexone (LDN) ------------------------------------

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i've always kind of had an eye out for a good commune situation, but they

always seem to suck for one reason or another. maybe because i prefer to

have total control of my space and my stuff, and somehow sharing always

seems to end up with me coming up shortchanged, used, and really kinda

disgusted and pissed.

if i were rich, i wouldn't be supporting any group of heppers or anybody

else. maybe an orphanage for abandoned pets, but humans ... nah. my

experiences on this earth in this country haven't been conducive to those

kind of feelings at all. get a bunch of heppers together and you have a lot

of former junkies and speed freaks which, although i am one, i don't want

anything to do with. the vibes of that atmosphere creep me out horribly, as

ecperienced at the VA just sitting in waiting rooms. nor do i want to live

with vets with " caregivers " in some institutional setting. all in all,

death is more appealing. i could possibly handle a small group like

sharing a house with a few others, if and only if i had the power to control

things including who can come and who must leave. i lived in a dining room

in annapolis, md renting 4 rooms out to college students and local service

workers. 13 years of that, and i'd still be there if the landlords didn't

turn to a$$holios over time, causing me to not be able to get the college

kids anymore. actually the whole $noba$$ town changed steadily worse once

we freaks had done the work of regenerating it... sure is nice to look at

though.

________________________________

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Christ

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:56 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] R-ALA

Hi Bob

I have been thinking the same thoughts regaurding where to live if

my SSI-medicare gets cut off.

I wonder if there is a commune for Heppers, where we can find

shelter, combine resources and support, and survive. Perhaps with doctors

nearby.

I should think that with so many infected, some would be rich, and

could creat such a place.

Im facing a homeless shelter should my 'assets' cease, because I

dont own a car.

Does anyone have any info on this topic?

love

don in ks

From: bob Larson <bobList@...>

Subject: RE: [ ] R-ALA

Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 4:32 PM

i was just trying to find the reasons i'd read somewhere

about not using the

R- form but nothing turned up in my files and i ended up

flipping over and

buying a bunch of the R- form. so now i have both of what

dr. berkson

recommends against. great. the R- form is expensive...

hopefully dr.

berkson doesn't like it because it's just not worth the

extra $ and nothing

to do with effects?

i'd prefer to not buy chinese products that could affect my

health, but

that's not possible down here on the bottom of the economic

strata. next

month me and my whole med stash might be trying to live out

of my car in the

woods somewhere.

i'll certainly be using up what i have, hoping the R/S will

stretch the R-

and it'll all last more than a year.

now i'm shopping for 80% silymarin MT extract. i've been

using fresh ground

seeds in food + capped up MT powder. i've tried to find how

much silymarin

is in whole seed and only found i ref that said 3-4%. that

was from a

distributor of bulk in china. so it looks like i'm not

using nearly enough

and need some extract to go with my ALA. Life Extension has

some that's way

expensive, but has other parts of the seed as well as

silymarin with it and

makes that seem important. i'm thinking i'll get the NOW

foods caps which

are pretty cheap in comparison and keep using the powder and

whole seed as

well to get some of the other stuff. best i can do. NOW

foods MT is

probably chinese?

________________________________

From:

<http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to= groups (DOT) co

m>

[mailto:

<http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to= groups (DOT) co

m> ] On Behalf Of Angelo

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:12 PM

<http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to= groups (DOT) co

m>

Subject: [ ] R-ALA

i believe dr. berkson uses R/S from germany... i get

chinese bulk

which is

probably turning me into a countertop laminate over

time.

Dr Burt Berkson recommends not to get it from the

Chinese. He also

recommends the regular ALA and not the R form for reasons I

heard him say

but can not repeat only because I can't remember. He is the

one who started

the ALA for hep C along with milk thistle and selenium. He

wrote a book on

ALA. Google Dr Burt Berson and you'll find his studies. He

is very big in

Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN)

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

....just turned this up from my files re dr. berkson, his protocol, and

recommendations. i've requested the list mentioned:

" Dr Berkson recommends Metabolic Maintenance brand ALA. I have a list of the

various things he may or may not recommend to any given patient and his

choice of brand that I will send you direct. He is very leery of R-LA

because he is worried about the presence of benzene remaining that is used

to separate it---and, at this time, will not recommend any brand of it. His

basic protocol is 600mg ALA, 400mg selenuium, 900mg milk thistle, and a good

vitamin B100. He absolutely DOES NOT believe that all ALA is created equal.

Some companies are meticulous--some are very sloppy. He will NOT say which

he does NOT recommend--just those he does recommend.

SuziQ "

> RE: [ ] R-ALA

>

> i was just trying to find the reasons i'd read somewhere

> about not using the

> R- form but nothing turned up in my files and i ended up

> flipping over and

> buying a bunch of the R- form. so now i have both of what dr. berkson

> recommends against. great. the R- form is expensive... hopefully dr.

> berkson doesn't like it because it's just not worth the extra

> $ and nothing

> to do with effects?

>

> i'd prefer to not buy chinese products that could affect my

> health, but

> that's not possible down here on the bottom of the economic

> strata. next

> month me and my whole med stash might be trying to live out

> of my car in the

> woods somewhere.

> i'll certainly be using up what i have, hoping the R/S will

> stretch the R-

> and it'll all last more than a year.

>

> now i'm shopping for 80% silymarin MT extract. i've been

> using fresh ground

> seeds in food + capped up MT powder. i've tried to find how

> much silymarin

> is in whole seed and only found i ref that said 3-4%. that was from a

> distributor of bulk in china. so it looks like i'm not using

> nearly enough

> and need some extract to go with my ALA. Life Extension has

> some that's way

> expensive, but has other parts of the seed as well as

> silymarin with it and

> makes that seem important. i'm thinking i'll get the NOW

> foods caps which

> are pretty cheap in comparison and keep using the powder and

> whole seed as

> well to get some of the other stuff. best i can do. NOW foods MT is

> probably chinese?

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob

I know what you mean.

Ive been a member of a few communes in my time, starting with the 'hog farm' way back when.

Most commune settings want you to join their 'cult', or religion, or some such.

I never thought about the personalitys of HCV people, and their backgrounds.

Perhaps a nightmare scene.

I too have been a 'free bird' all my life, and in control of my own destiny.

That is all changing as Govt assist enters my life more every day.

I have been working on getting all the HCV groups-websites to join together over the last few months.

Another nightmare.

I have heard many say that HCV folks have no clout in polotics, or anywhere else, but HIV folks do.

You would not believe all the resistance, and excuses I have recieved from those same complainers-caregivers, saying it cant be done.

Well, I am trying to do my part in this group.

I am listing all the resources, info, groups, and websites that I can find in the links section, as they come to me, and I get the time.

I am a member of tons of HCV grps-websites, and here we have more info than most, already, after a few short months.

A year from now...watch out. Ten years...whoa.

I work on our groups links section everyday to make it easier to use, and more informative.

To me the payoff is to give everyone a centeral place to find answers, so they can help themselves.

[ It helps me as well.]

I am sooo far behind, the work is endless.

love

don in ks

From: bob Larson <bobList@...> Subject: RE: [ ] R-ALA Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 4:32 PM i was just trying to find the reasons i'd read somewhereabout not using the R- form but nothing turned up in my files and i ended upflipping over and buying a bunch of the R- form. so now i have both of whatdr. berkson recommends against. great. the R- form is expensive...hopefully dr. berkson doesn't like it because it's just not worth theextra $ and nothing

to do with effects? i'd prefer to not buy chinese products that could affect myhealth, but that's not possible down here on the bottom of the economicstrata. next month me and my whole med stash might be trying to live outof my car in the woods somewhere. i'll certainly be using up what i have, hoping the R/S willstretch the R- and it'll all last more than a year. now i'm shopping for 80% silymarin MT extract. i've beenusing fresh ground seeds in food + capped up MT powder. i've tried to find

howmuch silymarin is in whole seed and only found i ref that said 3-4%. thatwas from a distributor of bulk in china. so it looks like i'm notusing nearly enough and need some extract to go with my ALA. Life Extension hassome that's way expensive, but has other parts of the seed as well assilymarin with it and makes that seem important. i'm thinking i'll get the NOWfoods caps which are pretty cheap in comparison and keep using the powder andwhole seed as well to get some of the other stuff. best i can do. NOWfoods MT is probably chinese?

________________________________ From: <http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to= @...m> [mailto: <http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to= @...m> ] On Behalf Of Angelo Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:12 PM <http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to= @...m> Subject: [ ] R-ALA

i believe dr. berkson uses R/S from germany... i getchinese bulk which is probably turning me into a countertop laminate overtime. Dr Burt Berkson recommends not to get it from theChinese. He also recommends the regular ALA and not the R form for reasons Iheard him say but can not repeat only because I can't remember.

He is theone who started the ALA for hep C along with milk thistle and selenium. Hewrote a book on ALA. Google Dr Burt Berson and you'll find his studies. Heis very big in Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) ------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

SuziQ

The link please?

I want to make sure it is in the groups link section.

Thanks

From: bob Larson <bobList@...>Subject: RE: [ ] R-ALA Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 5:43 PM

....just turned this up from my files re dr. berkson, his protocol, andrecommendations. i've requested the list mentioned: "Dr Berkson recommends Metabolic Maintenance brand ALA. I have a list of thevarious things he may or may not recommend to any given patient and hischoice of brand that I will send you direct. He is very leery of R-LAbecause he is worried about the presence of benzene remaining that is usedto separate it---and, at this time, will not recommend any brand of it. Hisbasic protocol is 600mg ALA, 400mg selenuium, 900mg milk thistle, and a goodvitamin B100. He absolutely DOES NOT believe that all ALA is created equal.Some companies are meticulous--some are very sloppy. He will NOT say whichhe does NOT recommend--just those he does recommend. SuziQ"> RE: [ ] R-ALA> > i was just trying to find the reasons i'd read somewhere > about not using the> R- form but nothing turned up in my files and i ended up > flipping over and> buying a bunch of the R- form. so now i have both of what dr. berkson> recommends

against. great. the R- form is expensive... hopefully dr.> berkson doesn't like it because it's just not worth the extra > $ and nothing> to do with effects?> > i'd prefer to not buy chinese products that could affect my > health, but> that's not possible down here on the bottom of the economic > strata. next> month me and my whole med stash might be trying to live out > of my car in the> woods somewhere.> i'll certainly be using up what i have, hoping the R/S will > stretch the R-> and it'll all last more than a year.> > now i'm shopping for 80% silymarin MT extract. i've been > using fresh ground> seeds in food + capped up MT powder. i've tried to find how > much silymarin> is in whole seed and only found i ref that said 3-4%. that was from a> distributor of bulk in

china. so it looks like i'm not using > nearly enough> and need some extract to go with my ALA. Life Extension has > some that's way> expensive, but has other parts of the seed as well as > silymarin with it and> makes that seem important. i'm thinking i'll get the NOW > foods caps which> are pretty cheap in comparison and keep using the powder and > whole seed as> well to get some of the other stuff. best i can do. NOW foods MT is> probably chinese?------------------------------------

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....the Hog Farm fronted by the emcee at woodstock Wavy Gravy?

i'd happily take a monthly check for gov't assist, but too many strings

attached AFAIK.

my exp and the usual paranoia tells me to even chase after it would be just

wasting myself on eventual nothing.

that's how it works out for a lot of vets with PTSD. all the gov't

GS-whatevers get their fatass tickets punched for being a much of jerks

making guys jump through impossible hoops forever until they give up and eat

a bullet or O.D. or something. and it's getting only worse with all the new

combat vets. there's something really wrong with this whole picture.

________________________________

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Christ

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:48 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] R-ALA

Hi Bob

I know what you mean.

Ive been a member of a few communes in my time, starting with the

'hog farm' way back when.

Most commune settings want you to join their 'cult', or religion, or

some such.

I never thought about the personalitys of HCV people, and their

backgrounds.

Perhaps a nightmare scene.

I too have been a 'free bird' all my life, and in control of my own

destiny.

That is all changing as Govt assist enters my life more every day.

I have been working on getting all the HCV groups-websites to join

together over the last few months.

Another nightmare.

I have heard many say that HCV folks have no clout in polotics, or

anywhere else, but HIV folks do.

You would not believe all the resistance, and excuses I have

recieved from those same complainers-caregivers, saying it cant be done.

Well, I am trying to do my part in this group.

I am listing all the resources, info, groups, and websites that I

can find in the links section, as they come to me, and I get the time.

I am a member of tons of HCV grps-websites, and here we have more

info than most, already, after a few short months.

A year from now...watch out. Ten years...whoa.

I work on our groups links section everyday to make it easier to

use, and more informative.

To me the payoff is to give everyone a centeral place to find

answers, so they can help themselves.

[ It helps me as well.]

I am sooo far behind, the work is endless.

love

don in ks

From: bob Larson <bobList@...

<http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to=bobListcablespeed> >

Subject: RE: [ ] R-ALA

<http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to= groups (DOT) co

m>

Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 4:32 PM

i was just trying to find the reasons i'd read

somewhere

about not using the

R- form but nothing turned up in my files and i

ended up

flipping over and

buying a bunch of the R- form. so now i have both

of what

dr. berkson

recommends against. great. the R- form is

expensive...

hopefully dr.

berkson doesn't like it because it's just not worth

the

extra $ and nothing

to do with effects?

i'd prefer to not buy chinese products that could

affect my

health, but

that's not possible down here on the bottom of the

economic

strata. next

month me and my whole med stash might be trying to

live out

of my car in the

woods somewhere.

i'll certainly be using up what i have, hoping the

R/S will

stretch the R-

and it'll all last more than a year.

now i'm shopping for 80% silymarin MT extract. i've

been

using fresh ground

seeds in food + capped up MT powder. i've tried to

find how

much silymarin

is in whole seed and only found i ref that said

3-4%. that

was from a

distributor of bulk in china. so it looks like i'm

not

using nearly enough

and need some extract to go with my ALA. Life

Extension has

some that's way

expensive, but has other parts of the seed as well

as

silymarin with it and

makes that seem important. i'm thinking i'll get

the NOW

foods caps which

are pretty cheap in comparison and keep using the

powder and

whole seed as

well to get some of the other stuff. best i can do.

NOW

foods MT is

probably chinese?

________________________________

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m>

<http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to= groups (DOT) co

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[mailto:

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<http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to= groups (DOT) co

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Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:12 PM

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<http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to= groups (DOT) co

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Subject: [ ] R-ALA

i believe dr. berkson uses R/S from germany... i

get

chinese bulk

which is

probably turning me into a countertop laminate

over

time.

Dr Burt Berkson recommends not to get it from

the

Chinese. He also

recommends the regular ALA and not the R form for

reasons I

heard him say

but can not repeat only because I can't remember. He

is the

one who started

the ALA for hep C along with milk thistle and

selenium. He

wrote a book on

ALA. Google Dr Burt Berson and you'll find his

studies. He

is very big in

Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN)

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Pretty funny Bob, that's about how I feel. Alternative medicine and supplements

will surely put you in the poor house. I buy organic bulk milk thistle seed (1

lb), I run it through a coffee grinder to make one of my numerous teas. So if

you ever find out the potency of one seed let me know.

I'm afraid the bulk of my supplements are bought from Swanson Vitamins and it

wouldn't surprize me in the least to find out they are produced in China, but

they are affordable, better than VitaCost.

Next week I see a nutritianist to see if I can combine and reduce the number of

pills I take with each meal. There is an organic pharmacy nearby that does this.

Probably will be way out of my $ league, but

I will at least know.

If Obama would include alternative medical treatments I would be all over it,

but BigPharma already wants to shut down the supplement industry or at minimum

require them to be Rx, so they can get a piece of the pie.

I read that one thing about R-ALA and also bought a bottle....oh well

RocketRon

>

> i was just trying to find the reasons i'd read somewhere about not using the

> R- form but nothing turned up in my files and i ended up flipping over and

> buying a bunch of the R- form. so now i have both of what dr. berkson

> recommends against. great. the R- form is expensive... hopefully dr.

> berkson doesn't like it because it's just not worth the extra $ and nothing

> to do with effects?

>

> i'd prefer to not buy chinese products that could affect my health, but

> that's not possible down here on the bottom of the economic strata. next

> month me and my whole med stash might be trying to live out of my car in the

> woods somewhere.

> i'll certainly be using up what i have, hoping the R/S will stretch the R-

> and it'll all last more than a year.

>

> now i'm shopping for 80% silymarin MT extract. i've been using fresh ground

> seeds in food + capped up MT powder. i've tried to find how much silymarin

> is in whole seed and only found i ref that said 3-4%. that was from a

> distributor of bulk in china. so it looks like i'm not using nearly enough

> and need some extract to go with my ALA. Life Extension has some that's way

> expensive, but has other parts of the seed as well as silymarin with it and

> makes that seem important. i'm thinking i'll get the NOW foods caps which

> are pretty cheap in comparison and keep using the powder and whole seed as

> well to get some of the other stuff. best i can do. NOW foods MT is

> probably chinese?

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Angelo

> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:12 PM

>

> Subject: [ ] R-ALA

>

>

>

>

> i believe dr. berkson uses R/S from germany... i get chinese bulk

> which is

> probably turning me into a countertop laminate over time.

>

>

>

>

>

> Dr Burt Berkson recommends not to get it from the Chinese. He also

> recommends the regular ALA and not the R form for reasons I heard him say

> but can not repeat only because I can't remember. He is the one who started

> the ALA for hep C along with milk thistle and selenium. He wrote a book on

> ALA. Google Dr Burt Berson and you'll find his studies. He is very big in

> Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN)

>

[Guest guest]

....no link in the mssg i got that from.

if/when i get the list i'll post it and you can put it in the groups Files area or something.

SuziQ just recently posted on another list an article about R-ALA that sounds very encouraging... that's why i bought it i guess.

are you on this group: Hepatitis_Children_and_CAM_Alternatives ? if not, it's a good one.... with too long a name.

i haven't the means to pick the best from any list of high quality stuff anyway, but maybe i won't be poisoned by benzene.

i'll be spending the end of the week being poisoned on the 3rd floor of an old Baltimore mansion with no AC spreading oil based paint. yum yum, a job made for my live?. the sooner that stuff is unavailable to the pigs that insist on having it the better.

sure would like to just drive around for a living. long haul, small vehicles. just keep cruising.

ever seen "vanishing point"?... ha ha ha!

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of ChristSent: Monday, August 03, 2009 6:52 PM Subject: RE: [ ] R-ALA

SuziQ

The link please?

I want to make sure it is in the groups link section.

Thanks

From: bob Larson <bobList@...>Subject: RE: [ ] R-ALA Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 5:43 PM

....just turned this up from my files re dr. berkson, his protocol, andrecommendations. i've requested the list mentioned: "Dr Berkson recommends Metabolic Maintenance brand ALA. I have a list of thevarious things he may or may not recommend to any given patient and hischoice of brand that I will send you direct. He is very leery of R-LAbecause he is worried about the presence of benzene remaining that is usedto separate it---and, at this time, will not recommend any brand of it. Hisbasic protocol is 600mg ALA, 400mg selenuium, 900mg milk thistle, and a goodvitamin B100. He absolutely DOES NOT believe that all ALA is created equal.Some companies are meticulous--some are very sloppy. He will NOT say whichhe does NOT recommend--just those he does recommend. SuziQ"> RE: [ ] R-ALA> > i was just trying to find the reasons i'd read somewhere > about not using the> R- form but nothing turned up in my files and i ended up > flipping over and> buying a bunch of the R- form. so now i have both of what dr. berkson> recommends against. great. the R- form is expensive... hopefully dr.> berkson doesn't like it because it's just not worth the extra > $ and nothing> to do with effects?> > i'd prefer to not buy chinese products that could affect my > health, but> that's not possible down here on the bottom of the economic > strata. next> month me and my whole med stash might be trying to live out > of my car in the> woods somewhere.> i'll certainly be using up what i have, hoping the R/S will > stretch the R-> and it'll all last more than a year.> > now i'm shopping for 80% silymarin MT extract. i've been > using fresh ground> seeds in food + capped up MT powder. i've tried to find how > much silymarin> is in whole seed and only found i ref that said 3-4%. that was from a> distributor of bulk in china. so it looks like i'm not using > nearly enough> and need some extract to go with my ALA. Life Extension has > some that's way> expensive, but has other parts of the seed as well as > silymarin with it and> makes that seem important. i'm thinking i'll get the NOW > foods caps which> are pretty cheap in comparison and keep using the powder and > whole seed as> well to get some of the other stuff. best i can do. NOW foods MT is> probably chinese?------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Thats the place.

I was trying to think of names, but its been so many years.

I lasted a month there, then got booted.

At first all was well, then folks began complaining about me.

I was too hippy, didnt like the 'rules', the bosses, the polotics, etc.

I didnt want to work like a slave either, just for a roof, and a meal.

I slept in a barn with 50 other folks.

When I left, several went with me, and we all made our way out to Big Sur in Calif.

From: bob Larson <bobList@...<http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to=bobList@...> > Subject:

RE: [ ] R-ALA <http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to= @...m> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 4:32 PM i was just trying to find the reasons i'd readsomewhere about not using the

R- form but nothing turned up in my files and iended up flipping over and buying a bunch of the R- form. so now i have bothof what dr. berkson recommends against. great. the R- form isexpensive... hopefully dr. berkson doesn't like it because it's just not worththe extra $ and nothing to do with effects? i'd prefer to not buy chinese

products that couldaffect my health, but that's not possible down here on the bottom of theeconomic strata. next month me and my whole med stash might be trying tolive out of my car in the woods somewhere. i'll certainly be using up what i have, hoping theR/S will stretch the R- and it'll all last more than a year.

now i'm shopping for 80% silymarin MT extract. i'vebeen using fresh ground seeds in food + capped up MT powder. i've tried tofind how much silymarin is in whole seed and only found i ref that said3-4%. that was from a distributor of bulk in china. so it looks like i'mnot using nearly enough and need some extract to go with my ALA. LifeExtension has some that's way

expensive, but has other parts of the seed as wellas silymarin with it and makes that seem important. i'm thinking i'll getthe NOW foods caps which are pretty cheap in comparison and keep using thepowder and whole seed as well to get some of the other stuff. best i can do.NOW foods MT is probably chinese?

________________________________ From: <http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to= @...m> <http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to= @... m> [mailto: <http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to= @...m> <http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to= @... m> ] On Behalf Of Angelo Sent: Monday,

August 03, 2009 5:12 PM <http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to= @...m> <http://us.mc505.mail./mc/compose?to= @... m> Subject: [ ] R-ALA

i believe dr. berkson uses R/S from germany... iget chinese bulk which is probably turning me into a countertop laminateover time.

Dr Burt Berkson recommends not to get it fromthe Chinese. He also recommends the regular ALA and not the R form forreasons I heard him say but can not repeat only because I can't remember. Heis the one who started the ALA for hep C along with milk thistle andselenium. He wrote a book on ALA. Google Dr Burt

Berson and you'll find hisstudies. He is very big in Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN) ------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I get what you are saying Bob, just need to say that not all heppers got this virus from IV drug use. Still, we are all just as sick. We badly need to dispel that stigma from all our own conversations with each other, as well as get that kind of word out to the public. In fact, some of the latest figures I've seen reported on how one actually picked up this virus, is that 40% just don't know... then there are the ones that received it from the bad blood era etc.So, it could mean that communal living would not be full of former junkies or speed freaks; but, rather - a whole bunch of people from various backgrounds that our governments choose to ignore. HOWEVER, I too am too much of a control freak with a need for my own space, to ever consider a living arrangement

like that.

i've always kind of had an eye out for a good commune situation, but they

always seem to suck for one reason or another. maybe because i prefer to

have total control of my space and my stuff, and somehow sharing always

seems to end up with me coming up shortchanged, used, and really kinda

disgusted and pissed.

if i were rich, i wouldn't be supporting any group of heppers or anybody

else. maybe an orphanage for abandoned pets, but humans ... nah. my

experiences on this earth in this country haven't been conducive to those

kind of feelings at all. get a bunch of heppers together and you have a lot

of former junkies and speed freaks which, although i am one, i don't want

anything to do with. the vibes of that atmosphere creep me out horribly, as

ecperienced at the VA just sitting in waiting rooms. nor do i want to live

with vets with "caregivers" in some institutional setting. all in all,

death is more appealing. i could possibly handle a small group like

sharing a house with a few others, if and only if i had the power to control

things including who can come and who must leave. i lived in a dining room

in annapolis, md renting 4 rooms out to college students and local service

workers. 13 years of that, and i'd still be there if the landlords didn't

turn to a$$holios over time, causing me to not be able to get the college

kids anymore. actually the whole $noba$$ town changed steadily worse once

we freaks had done the work of regenerating it... sure is nice to look at

though.

____________ _________ _________ __

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Christ

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:56 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] R-ALA

Hi Bob

I have been thinking the same thoughts regaurding where to live if

my SSI-medicare gets cut off.

I wonder if there is a commune for Heppers, where we can find

shelter, combine resources and support, and survive. Perhaps with doctors

nearby.

I should think that with so many infected, some would be rich, and

could creat such a place.

Im facing a homeless shelter should my 'assets' cease, because I

dont own a car.

Does anyone have any info on this topic?

love

don in ks

From: bob Larson <bobListcablespeed (DOT) com>

Subject: RE: [ ] R-ALA

Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 4:32 PM

i was just trying to find the reasons i'd read somewhere

about not using the

R- form but nothing turned up in my files and i ended up

flipping over and

buying a bunch of the R- form. so now i have both of what

dr. berkson

recommends against. great. the R- form is expensive...

hopefully dr.

berkson doesn't like it because it's just not worth the

extra $ and nothing

to do with effects?

i'd prefer to not buy chinese products that could affect my

health, but

that's not possible down here on the bottom of the economic

strata. next

month me and my whole med stash might be trying to live out

of my car in the

woods somewhere.

i'll certainly be using up what i have, hoping the R/S will

stretch the R-

and it'll all last more than a year.

now i'm shopping for 80% silymarin MT extract. i've been

using fresh ground

seeds in food + capped up MT powder. i've tried to find how

much silymarin

is in whole seed and only found i ref that said 3-4%. that

was from a

distributor of bulk in china. so it looks like i'm not

using nearly enough

and need some extract to go with my ALA. Life Extension has

some that's way

expensive, but has other parts of the seed as well as

silymarin with it and

makes that seem important. i'm thinking i'll get the NOW

foods caps which

are pretty cheap in comparison and keep using the powder and

whole seed as

well to get some of the other stuff. best i can do. NOW

foods MT is

probably chinese?

____________ _________ _________ __

From:

<http://us.mc505. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=HepCWebWarrio rsgroups (DOT) co

m>

[mailto:

<http://us.mc505. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=HepCWebWarrio rsgroups (DOT) co

m> ] On Behalf Of Angelo

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 5:12 PM

<http://us.mc505. mail.. com/mc/compose? to=HepCWebWarrio rsgroups (DOT) co

m>

Subject: [ ] R-ALA

i believe dr. berkson uses R/S from germany... i get

chinese bulk

which is

probably turning me into a countertop laminate over

time.

Dr Burt Berkson recommends not to get it from the

Chinese. He also

recommends the regular ALA and not the R form for reasons I

heard him say

but can not repeat only because I can't remember. He is the

one who started

the ALA for hep C along with milk thistle and selenium. He

wrote a book on

ALA. Google Dr Burt Berson and you'll find his studies. He

is very big in

Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN)

------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

right, but many if not most did. probably 30% of that 40% are lying.

most of those who didn't probably wouldn't be happy in a community full of

those who did, would they?

________________________________

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Gloria

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:25 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] R-ALA

I get what you are saying Bob, just need to say that not all heppers

got this virus from IV drug use. Still, we are all just as sick. We badly

need to dispel that stigma from all our own conversations with each other,

as well as get that kind of word out to the public. In fact, some of the

latest figures I've seen reported on how one actually picked up this virus,

is that 40% just don't know... then there are the ones that received it

from the bad blood era etc.

So, it could mean that communal living would not be full of former

junkies or speed freaks; but, rather - a whole bunch of people from various

backgrounds that our governments choose to ignore. HOWEVER, I too am too

much of a control freak with a need for my own space, to ever consider a

living arrangement like that.

________________________________

[Guest guest]

I propose:

I become president immediately.

Every unoccupied house be given away to the poor.

Stop these stupid wars, cut funding to the war machine, and start caring for our own.

An immediate cap on insurance companys, interest rates, med-food costs.

Making lobbists criminals.

Abolishing political elite health care and benefits.

Breaking all trade pacts with other countrys, and restoring NA industry.

Limiting 'bills' before congress to under 100 words each.

Placing a cap on how much wealth you can have.

Oops. I just got assassinated.

dang

From: bob Larson <bobList@...>Subject: RE: [ ] R-ALA Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 7:47 PM

right, but many if not most did. probably 30% of that 40% are lying.most of those who didn't probably wouldn't be happy in a community full ofthose who did, would they? ________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Gloria Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:25 PM Subject: Re:

[ ] R-ALA I get what you are saying Bob, just need to say that not all heppersgot this virus from IV drug use. Still, we are all just as sick. We badlyneed to dispel that stigma from all our own conversations with each other,as well as get that kind of word out to the public. In fact, some of thelatest figures I've seen reported on how one actually picked up this virus,is that 40% just don't know... then there are the ones that received itfrom the bad blood era etc. So, it could mean that communal living would not be full of formerjunkies or speed freaks; but, rather - a whole bunch of people from variousbackgrounds that our governments choose to ignore. HOWEVER, I too am toomuch of a control freak with a need for my own space, to ever consider aliving

arrangement like that. ________________________________------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I can only speak for myself and am one of those 40%. All I have ever accepted from the start is that I did not get this disease back when I was 21/22 from the half a dozen times I ever allowed any IV drugs to enter my system (I'm afraid of needles). I drank alcoholically for another 15 years after that and it would mean I would be dead. Instead, I was diagnosed another 15 years into my recovery and then only accidentally, because I had no symptoms at all. It was just an easy way out for doctors to tell us that, because Canada was still in the Compensation battles. My Dr. was shocked when I challenged him on that idea and then muttered an agreement at the end.However, also personally, I really don't care how another person acquired this virus, in fact, I never ask

because it has absolutely no meaning. I deal on a daily basis with recovering alcoholics and drug addicts, so I feel I already live in a community full of them. The only problem I ever have with recovery people is those that are not willing to face their fears but keep whining about what their addiction does to them. It takes a lot of hard work to battle addiction; but, it's the only known way to recovery. Being absolutely honest with one's self...None of us can go back and change any part of our lives... Oh, that we could - we'd all stay away from the drugs and alcohol, eat much better and have exercised ourselves silly!!! So where would I get off judging another person about their drug habits of the past???

right, but many if not most did. probably 30% of that 40% are lying.

most of those who didn't probably wouldn't be happy in a community full of

those who did, would they?

____________ _________ _________ __

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Gloria

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:25 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] R-ALA

I get what you are saying Bob, just need to say that not all heppers

got this virus from IV drug use. Still, we are all just as sick. We badly

need to dispel that stigma from all our own conversations with each other,

as well as get that kind of word out to the public. In fact, some of the

latest figures I've seen reported on how one actually picked up this virus,

is that 40% just don't know... then there are the ones that received it

from the bad blood era etc.

So, it could mean that communal living would not be full of former

junkies or speed freaks; but, rather - a whole bunch of people from various

backgrounds that our governments choose to ignore. HOWEVER, I too am too

much of a control freak with a need for my own space, to ever consider a

living arrangement like that.

____________ _________ _________ __

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[Guest guest]

Geeze and I was gonna vote for you.

I especially like the 100 word limit on bills.

Like the 140 character limit on Twitter

‹(•¿•)›

Ress Felton, CA

law of abundance

visualize health

only good lies before me

From: Christ <ludichrist2000@...> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 6:43:56 PMSubject: RE: [ ] R-ALA

I propose:

I become president immediately.

Every unoccupied house be given away to the poor.

Stop these stupid wars, cut funding to the war machine, and start caring for our own.

An immediate cap on insurance companys, interest rates, med-food costs.

Making lobbists criminals.

Abolishing political elite health care and benefits.

Breaking all trade pacts with other countrys, and restoring NA industry.

Limiting 'bills' before congress to under 100 words each.

Placing a cap on how much wealth you can have.

Oops. I just got assassinated.

dang

[Guest guest]

I hope everyone knows I was just funnin around. lol

No one would vote for old hippy don, cept for my little sis.

She's such a sweetie.

From: M Ress <Safoocat@...>Subject: Re: [ ] R-ALA Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 8:36 PM

Geeze and I was gonna vote for you.

I especially like the 100 word limit on bills.

Like the 140 character limit on Twitter

‹(•¿•)›

Ress Felton, CA

law of abundance

visualize health

only good lies before me

From: Christ <ludichrist2000@...> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 6:43:56 PMSubject: RE: [ ] R-ALA

I propose:

I become president immediately.

Every unoccupied house be given away to the poor.

Stop these stupid wars, cut funding to the war machine, and start caring for our own.

An immediate cap on insurance companys, interest rates, med-food costs.

Making lobbists criminals.

Abolishing political elite health care and benefits.

Breaking all trade pacts with other countrys, and restoring NA industry.

Limiting 'bills' before congress to under 100 words each.

Placing a cap on how much wealth you can have.

Oops. I just got assassinated.

dang

[Guest guest]

nobody will ever vote for you including your sweetie sis because you're

dead. you've been killed, and you're merely an illusion, a zonbie floating

around thinking it's alive, stuck with one imaginary body on this plane.

soon none of us will be able to even see your writing. but soon means

something different for you. what is a second for us is like a millenium

for you, and the process of getting free just goes on and on and on in limbo

until you finally figure out what has you stuck and you learn to let go.

good luck with all that... c'ya.

________________________________

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Christ

Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:55 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] R-ALA

I hope everyone knows I was just funnin around. lol

No one would vote for old hippy don, cept for my little sis.

She's such a sweetie.

[Guest guest]

Dam, you sound like my Dad. lol

I have a really neat YouTube video I watched today about Obama.

I would post it here except it wayyyyyyy 'off topic'.

I will add it to the groups links....FUN STUFF folder....002-OBAMA VIDEO, if you would like to watch it.

From: bob Larson <bobList@...>Subject: RE: [ ] R-ALA Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 10:09 PM

nobody will ever vote for you including your sweetie sis because you'redead. you've been killed, and you're merely an illusion, a zonbie floatingaround thinking it's alive, stuck with one imaginary body on this plane.soon none of us will be able to even see your writing. but soon meanssomething different for you. what is a second for us is like a milleniumfor you, and the process of getting free just goes on and on and on in limbountil you finally figure out what has you stuck and you learn to let go.good luck with all that... c'ya.________________________________ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Christ Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [ ] R-ALA I hope everyone knows I was just funnin around. lol No one would vote for old hippy don, cept for my little sis. She's such a sweetie.------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi All!

Why does it matter how one contracted this disease????

Nothing will change until we stop stigmatizing ourselves and each other!

I am new here.....by the way.....and if this is a group where you are dividing

yourselves up by how you contracted the disease that is so very sad!

how then do you ever hope to raise awareness and educate others so people can

understand this disease?

The only hope to get the supports and services that each person suffering from

any illness especially one as serious as ours is be united.

Bob if someone did not want to be in a community because of something someone

else did none of us would have any neighbours!

hope,and love is healing!

>

> right, but many if not most did. probably 30% of that 40% are lying.

> most of those who didn't probably wouldn't be happy in a community full of

> those who did, would they?

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Gloria

> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:25 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [ ] R-ALA

>

>

>

>

> I get what you are saying Bob, just need to say that not all heppers

> got this virus from IV drug use. Still, we are all just as sick. We badly

> need to dispel that stigma from all our own conversations with each other,

> as well as get that kind of word out to the public. In fact, some of the

> latest figures I've seen reported on how one actually picked up this virus,

> is that 40% just don't know... then there are the ones that received it

> from the bad blood era etc.

>

> So, it could mean that communal living would not be full of former

> junkies or speed freaks; but, rather - a whole bunch of people from various

> backgrounds that our governments choose to ignore. HOWEVER, I too am too

> much of a control freak with a need for my own space, to ever consider a

> living arrangement like that.

>

>

> ________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Dear whoeveryouare,

I usually don't respond to unsigned emails but in this case I will.

It matters a great deal where you got it if you are a veteran and you got

it while in the service because then you can get service connected disability.

Hi All!Why does it matter how one contracted this disease????Nothing will change until we stop stigmatizing ourselves and each other!I am new here.....by the way.....and if this is a group where you are dividing yourselves up by how you contracted the disease that is so very sad! how then do you ever hope to raise awareness and educate others so people can understand this disease?The only hope to get the supports and services that each person suffering from any illness especially one as serious as ours is be united. Bob if someone did not want to be in a community because of something someone else did none of us would have any neighbours!hope,and love is healing!

[Guest guest]

Here, Here!!!! My neighbours just see me as that youngster down the way and would be stunned if they knew what I'd gotten myself into in my youth. Although, I know for a fact, that when you can get them talking a bit, they didn't exactly make all the right decisions in their lives either. I make absolutely no secret to the fact that I suffer from HepC. They might not entirely understand; but, they know.

Hi All!

Why does it matter how one contracted this disease????

Nothing will change until we stop stigmatizing ourselves and each other!

I am new here.....by the way.....and if this is a group where you are dividing yourselves up by how you contracted the disease that is so very sad!

how then do you ever hope to raise awareness and educate others so people can understand this disease?

The only hope to get the supports and services that each person suffering from any illness especially one as serious as ours is be united.

Bob if someone did not want to be in a community because of something someone else did none of us would have any neighbours!

hope,and love is healing!

>

> right, but many if not most did. probably 30% of that 40% are lying.

> most of those who didn't probably wouldn't be happy in a community full of

> those who did, would they?

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Gloria

> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 8:25 PM

>

> Subject: Re: [ ] R-ALA

>

>

>

>

> I get what you are saying Bob, just need to say that not all heppers

> got this virus from IV drug use. Still, we are all just as sick. We badly

> need to dispel that stigma from all our own conversations with each other,

> as well as get that kind of word out to the public. In fact, some of the

> latest figures I've seen reported on how one actually picked up this virus,

> is that 40% just don't know... then there are the ones that received it

> from the bad blood era etc.

>

> So, it could mean that communal living would not be full of former

> junkies or speed freaks; but, rather - a whole bunch of people from various

> backgrounds that our governments choose to ignore. HOWEVER, I too am too

> much of a control freak with a need for my own space, to ever consider a

> living arrangement like that.

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

>

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[Guest guest]

Geez, Michele - lighten up !!! Firstly, the person who posted that had a name (her/his online name); so, I think it very rude of you to respond in such a manner. For all you know, this person could really be looking for help and all you've done is jump down her/his throat. Plus, this person was not responding to a post regarding veterans at all.I know that in Canada, a lot of people have already received their compensation cheques and I still query - did that actually make their health any better or just raise them a small percentage in their poverty? Then, what about the other 90% who live with the same disease and are just as ill - yet can't find anyone to blame????I also advocate that the stigmatization has to be stopped and the first place to do that,

is among ourselves. Divided we all fail!!! Along with the fact that I also would never ask another person how "they think" they contracted the virus, I would never fault anyone from seeking an answer, providing it does not become an obsession to the point that the huge amount of paperwork could stress them into being even sicker. You don't think that I wouldn't like to know someday exactly how I contracted this disease. However, I quit obsessing about something that isn't going to make me any healthier, 3 months after I was diagnosed. All I know for sure is that I did not contract this from any IV Drug use or the multi-shot guns they used on us kids when we were small and living in Navy Barracks. I probably contracted it from an ex-partner who had just used a piercing gun on himself and then directly used it on me. BUT, who knew about Hep C back then???? In my life today, it is just not important

how I contracted it, it's far more important to me to try to help others come to acceptance of this chronic illness and then to try to advocate for CHANGE.

Dear whoeveryouare,

I usually don't respond to unsigned emails but in this case I will.

It matters a great deal where you got it if you are a veteran and you got

it while in the service because then you can get service connected disability.

Hi All!Why does it matter how one contracted this disease????Nothing will change until we stop stigmatizing ourselves and each other!I am new here.....by the way.....and if this is a group where you are dividing yourselves up by how you contracted the disease that is so very sad! how then do you ever hope to raise awareness and educate others so people can understand this disease?The only hope to get the supports and services that each person suffering from any illness especially one as serious as ours is be united. Bob if someone did not want to be in a community because of something someone else did none of us would have any neighbours!hope,and love is healing!

Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Answers.

[Guest guest]

a community of ALL heppers would be a creep show. a dangerous place for

sure and many would be looking to get out a.s.a.p. no thank you.

there's former this- & -that's all around me in my neighborhood, including

violent drunks, criminals, addicts, sex offenders, and it's a pretty good

neighborhood, no problems. but it's not at all defined by a common disease

or history issue, concentrating an unusual amount of any one personality

type except maybe those with a love of boats and making babies.

> [ ] Re: R-ALA

>

> Hi All!

> Why does it matter how one contracted this disease????

> Nothing will change until we stop stigmatizing ourselves and

> each other!

>

> I am new here.....by the way.....and if this is a group where

> you are dividing yourselves up by how you contracted the

> disease that is so very sad!

> how then do you ever hope to raise awareness and educate

> others so people can understand this disease?

> The only hope to get the supports and services that each

> person suffering from any illness especially one as serious

> as ours is be united.

> Bob if someone did not want to be in a community because of

> something someone else did none of us would have any neighbours!

>

> hope,and love is healing!/group/ /join

> ( ID required)

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Agreed it can matter very much how we got it when it comes to claiming

compensation, and if blood services, our the government is respondsible for

infecting you......indeed you should get your disability and be compensated.

That was not the conversation I was replying to if you read the post

" bob' had made a comment on " his Opinion " on the percentage of people he feels

contracted this disease out of " bad behavoir " again

" his opinion "

being an advocate I could argue those stats but anyway....

what I was saying is it is very sad if we in the hep community start diving

ourselves into catagories and stigmatizing one another. how are we ever going to

raise awareness and educate the public????!!! , to dispel stigma and

discrimanation associatied with this Silent Killer?

As a community we need to come Together, take care of each other, who cares how

each of us got the disease, I contracted hep c from a blood transfusion , and

have no problem being " friends " with those who contracted from Iv drug use or

any other way!

that was my point!

signed,

not so bad after all.

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> Dear whoeveryouare,

>  

> I usually don't respond to unsigned emails but in this case I will.

> It matters a great deal where you got it if you are a veteran and you got

> it while in the service because then you can get service connected disability.

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> Hi All!

> Why does it matter how one contracted this disease????

> Nothing will change until we stop stigmatizing ourselves and each other!

>

> I am new here.....by the way.....and if this is a group where you are dividing

yourselves up by how you contracted the disease that is so very sad!

> how then do you ever hope to raise awareness and educate others so people can

understand this disease?

> The only hope to get the supports and services that each person suffering from

any illness especially one as serious as ours is be united.

> Bob if someone did not want to be in a community because of something someone

else did none of us would have any neighbours!

>

> hope,and love is healing!

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