Garlic

[Guest guest]

Hi there, I know for me that garlic " supplements " are a big no no (as

a food It woudl probably be fine). It is not about die off in my

case.

I ended up in emergency with the gut cramps it caused, as I was in so

much pain I was doubled over daily and in tears (I have not known

anything to equal it) and also I had ongoing EXTREME mental symptoms

from it also. And this was ongoing. Nobody did a thing to help me

and my doctor passed me a magnesium supplemnt and sent me on my way.

I suffered for over 7 months.

It doesn't seem natural garlic in cooking is so much the issue, but

the potency of it in the form it's in contained in supplement form

seems to be the problem (at least with me).

Nobody should have to go through that, which is why I stay away from

the stuff in whatever form, as I am terrifed of a repeat occurance

(it's happened twice to me). It only took ONE day of taking about

one or two capsules and it did me on long term.

It may not always be about die off. There are some things that may

well be damaging to a person for reasons that may not be obvious or

understood. Certainly garlic for many people is healthful and ok and

great for candida, but if there is some other issue going on inside

the body that somehow interacts badly with garlic supplementation,

then (as in my case) it could be a risk. Someone else I know had a

similar occurance, yet told me they were " ok " on using garlic in food

form. I am too scared to touch it now, as you can imagine, but it

does seem using it in food doesn't seem to cause this issue like the

supplement forms....I wish I knew why this was.

.

>

> The reason why you get the awful pains is because the

> candida are dying and causing the pains. That's a

> good thing definitely. So you might want to continue

> with the garlic, just use tiny amounts and build up

> slowly.

>

>

> Luv,

> Debby

> San , CA

>

>

> --- sachagoldberg <sachagoldberg@...> wrote:

>

> > Hi Bee!

> > I know that garlic is a good candida fighting food.

> > But whenever I eat

> > garlic (foods containing garlic), I get awful pains

> > in my stomach. I

> > have therefore stayed away from garlic. Should I

> > continue to avoid

> > garlic??

> > SG

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I could not tolerate garlic in supplement or food form a year ago. I

am ok now, I put it down to mercury I think alot has now been cleared

Phil

> >

> > > Hi Bee!

> > > I know that garlic is a good candida fighting food.

> > > But whenever I eat

> > > garlic (foods containing garlic), I get awful pains

> > > in my stomach. I

> > > have therefore stayed away from garlic. Should I

> > > continue to avoid

> > > garlic??

> > > SG

> >

> >

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> Nothing will better motivate you to overcome your weaknesses.

> >

> > My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04)

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> >

>

[Guest guest]

Did not see the point about pains, my last post was about die off. I

had this also but as bee said it sounds like the stomach. I just

adjusted the ammount and those pains disappeared when I started

Phil

>

> > Hi Bee!

> > I know that garlic is a good candida fighting food.

> > But whenever I eat

> > garlic (foods containing garlic), I get awful pains

> > in my stomach. I

> > have therefore stayed away from garlic. Should I

> > continue to avoid

> > garlic??

> > SG

>

>

> -------------

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Nothing will better motivate you to overcome your weaknesses.

>

> My son Hunter Hudson (10/11/04)

http://debbypadilla.0catch.com/hunter/

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, well i have been mercury toxic for many years and garlic

supplements always set off reactions, but not as they do these days.

I put it down to more than that going on now as the reactions far

surpass the normal mobilising detox reactions or die off. Could be

the cavitations I have, or something else. Not sure, but I'm not up

for risking it again

Glad you got the mercury reduced! And yeah garlic definitely

mobilises mercury, so that's a good test to see how far you've gotten.

REgards.

.

>

>

I could not tolerate garlic in supplement or food form a year ago. I

> am ok now, I put it down to mercury I think alot has now been

cleared

>

> Phil

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

LOL, i'm sorry I had to laugh at your post. It set me off. This

reminded me of the times I was consuming garlic products (before my

severe reactions to it) and I went around to my brother and wife's

house for the evening and both of them had this look on their face at

me like they were about to throw up. I stunk their house out with my

body and my brother informed me to please please STOP. So i had to

quit the garlic thing, though I think I stuck to odorless capsules

.

>

> Are we actually supposed to eat 6 cloves of garlic a day? How can we

> go out into the public smelling like that? I had a clove a day and my

> husband jumped out of bed and went to sleep on the couch the other

> night. I'm just not home alot--working and out. I cannot do this.

What

> do you all do about the smell?

>

> Also, would eating small amounts of fresh coconut be OK, along with

> the coconut oil? Dr. Mercola highly recommends fresh coconut.

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/8/2006 7:14:44 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

I stunk their house out with my

body and my brother informed me to please please STOP. So i had to

quit the garlic thing, though I think I stuck to odorless capsules

I've been told by a naturopath that if the garlic makes you stink, it's

because you've become very toxic. The less stink involved after eating it, the

less toxic stuff you've got floating around in your system (the raw food

garlic is supposed to clean out many of these toxins). I'm not sure if I buy

into

this, because I can't really find any good documentation on why this would

be so, but I thought I'd pass it on.

~

[Guest guest]

This is interesting to me, I know I have very high levels of

metals,especially lead and mercury and both onions and garlic if

eaten in large amounts cooked or eaten at all raw have a terrible

reaction with me, I could be sick for days, some times it is worse

than other, sometimes I get by ok with them.............same thing if

I eat cilantro

>

> LOL, i'm sorry I had to laugh at your post. It set me off. This

> reminded me of the times I was consuming garlic products (before my

> severe reactions to it) and I went around to my brother and wife's

> house for the evening and both of them had this look on their face

at

> me like they were about to throw up. I stunk their house out with

my

> body and my brother informed me to please please STOP. So i had to

> quit the garlic thing, though I think I stuck to odorless

capsules

>

> .

>

>

> >

> > Are we actually supposed to eat 6 cloves of garlic a day? How can

we

> > go out into the public smelling like that? I had a clove a day

and my

> > husband jumped out of bed and went to sleep on the couch the

other

> > night. I'm just not home alot--working and out. I cannot do this.

> What

> > do you all do about the smell?

> >

> > Also, would eating small amounts of fresh coconut be OK, along

with

> > the coconut oil? Dr. Mercola highly recommends fresh coconut.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>

>

> This is interesting to me, I know I have very high levels of

> metals,especially lead and mercury and both onions and garlic if

> eaten in large amounts cooked or eaten at all raw have a terrible

> reaction with me, I could be sick for days, some times it is worse

> than other, sometimes I get by ok with them.............same thing

if I eat cilantro

==>, did you know cilantro is also antifungal?

Bee

[Guest guest]

Perhaps it wasn't the garlic in the supplements that

caused you issues, but other additives? Maybe there

was soy or MSG or something else weird in the

supplements. If you don't have an issue with the real

thing that might be the case.

Luv,

Debby

San , CA

--- fats_malone2002 <signposts8@...> wrote:

> Hi there, I know for me that garlic " supplements "

> are a big no no (as

> a food It woudl probably be fine). It is not about

> die off in my

> case.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Debby,

I'm certain it was the garlic itself. I have had it happen with two

seperate supplemetns of it and the potency of the concentrated form

of it sent me into an attack. They did not contain any other things

as far as I saw on the bottle and it has not just occured with me,

some others had it also.

I have used products with soy, msm before and even they haven't done

that kind of damage to me! THe reaction was absolutely extreme,

violent and I've used umpteen supplements and had nothing like this

occur, the ONLY thing remotely similar was a supplemetn containing

cysteine/methionine. And I know that garlic contains sulfur amino

acids naturally. perhaps in the supplement form, the potency of it

hit me like a ton of bricks. Die off/detox is not a problem, it's

the long term damage and then attempting to recover that is (even if

some of it was die off). And people with toxicity other than

candida, like myself, can have issues with garlic, or other

foods/supplements that can wildly mobilise toxins, and in doing that,

the toxins can sometimes end up in worse and more sensitive areas

creating nasty symptoms. I'm gong by my own reactions and know of a

few others that have had a bad time from these things too. This only

indicates that there are issues within me (and them) that are the

problem, but until I manage to nail them, I can only avoid what I

know causes things to become unbearble and at this time, it seems

garlic in supplement form is one of them. Not sure why garlic in

food isn't so bad, but even then I noticed some issues recently when

I had it, so I'm just going to have to accept it's not for me.

Whatever the reason, I cannot afford to risk it again. I wish I knew

why once I could use it daily and now cannot even risk one capsule of

it.

.

>

>

Perhaps it wasn't the garlic in the supplements that

> caused you issues, but other additives? Maybe there

> was soy or MSG or something else weird in the

> supplements. If you don't have an issue with the real

> thing that might be the case.

>

> Luv,

> Debby

> San , CA

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

well I decided to suck it up and endure the pain (it's not nearly as bad at with

you rebecca). I have never tried taking the suppliment because I always

thought that my body doesn't agree with garlic due to the stomach pains i get

-That's what one doctor told me actually, who made my problem worse--not sure

why I listened to her.

I can already feel pains in my stomach though ( i ate about an hour ago)... I

just hope this is the die off symptoms!!

Sacha

[ ] Re: Garlic

Hi Debby,

I'm certain it was the garlic itself. I have had it happen with two

seperate supplemetns of it and the potency of the concentrated form

of it sent me into an attack. They did not contain any other things

as far as I saw on the bottle and it has not just occured with me,

some others had it also.

I have used products with soy, msm before and even they haven't done

that kind of damage to me! THe reaction was absolutely extreme,

violent and I've used umpteen supplements and had nothing like this

occur, the ONLY thing remotely similar was a supplemetn containing

cysteine/methionine . And I know that garlic contains sulfur amino

acids naturally. perhaps in the supplement form, the potency of it

hit me like a ton of bricks. Die off/detox is not a problem, it's

the long term damage and then attempting to recover that is (even if

some of it was die off). And people with toxicity other than

candida, like myself, can have issues with garlic, or other

foods/supplements that can wildly mobilise toxins, and in doing that,

the toxins can sometimes end up in worse and more sensitive areas

creating nasty symptoms. I'm gong by my own reactions and know of a

few others that have had a bad time from these things too. This only

indicates that there are issues within me (and them) that are the

problem, but until I manage to nail them, I can only avoid what I

know causes things to become unbearble and at this time, it seems

garlic in supplement form is one of them. Not sure why garlic in

food isn't so bad, but even then I noticed some issues recently when

I had it, so I'm just going to have to accept it's not for me.

Whatever the reason, I cannot afford to risk it again. I wish I knew

why once I could use it daily and now cannot even risk one capsule of

it.

.

>

>

Perhaps it wasn't the garlic in the supplements that

> caused you issues, but other additives? Maybe there

> was soy or MSG or something else weird in the

> supplements. If you don't have an issue with the real

> thing that might be the case.

>

> Luv,

> Debby

> San , CA

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

>

> LOL, i'm sorry I had to laugh at your post. It set me off. This

> reminded me of the times I was consuming garlic products (before my

> severe reactions to it) and I went around to my brother and wife's

> house for the evening and both of them had this look on their face

at me like they were about to throw up. I stunk their house out with

my body and my brother informed me to please please STOP. So i had

to quit the garlic thing, though I think I stuck to odorless

capsules

==>, that's a great story. I have one too. My grandson, who

is now 21 years old got a lot of ear infections when he was a baby. I

put garlic oil in his ears and my daughter would go " whew " Mom you've

got to stop putting garlic in his ears, he smells awful! " But it

cured his ear infections. One time she brought him over when both

his ears were flaming red and he was crying and feverish. She asked

me to watch him while she got a perscription from the drug store. In

the meantime I got garlic into one of his ears. She came through the

door and went Mom, don't put garlic in his ears, I've got the right

medicine now. Well, guess what. Inside of 5 minutes the ear with

garlic in it stopped being red and he stopped pulling on it, but the

other one didn't get better for a couple of days. Go figure.

Luv, Bee

[Guest guest]

HI Sacha,

Yeah, some pain is tolerable and if it's die off, it's sometimes

necessary. The pain I had was crippling and lasted 7 months (I only

used the supplement for one day). So that in itself is highly

abnormal.

Heard a few others have severe reactions to garlic in supplement

form, but it's not something I think is common and all those people

said they're fine with garlic as a food (raw or cooked)....so who

knows what it is.

I had many other things occur too that were frightening alonside the

severe gut pain. I'd never go near it again. In food, I probably

would at some point. I'm just too scared at the moment.

.

>

> well I decided to suck it up and endure the pain (it's not nearly

as bad at with you rebecca). I have never tried taking the

suppliment because I always thought that my body doesn't agree with

garlic due to the stomach pains i get -That's what one doctor told me

actually, who made my problem worse--not sure why I listened to her.

> I can already feel pains in my stomach though ( i ate about an

hour ago)... I just hope this is the die off symptoms!!

> Sacha

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nell,

>

> When you say start with one clove...do you mean one of the little

> peices inside the garlic or the entire garlic?

When you buy garlic, you buy a " head " of garlic. A " head " of garlic is

comprised of " cloves " of garlic that you separate from one another.

You would start with one separate clove of garlic, not the whole head.

>

> And, do you feel you get more benefit from the garlic eaten in food or

> being taken as a drink?

the most benefit is by crushing a clove and eating it in its raw

state. You need to crush it in order to release the volatile oils.

Some people then sprinkle the crushed garlic over their food or you

can swallow it with water, like swallowing a pill. If you do that it's

better to take it with a little food to buffer the stomach (this is my

experience).

>

> In your peronal opinion is garlic the best way to go for someone who

> has a pretty severe overgrowth?

garlic is a powerful anti-fungal so start slow with just a little bit

to see how your body reacts. Work up from there. I think we have

garlic info in the files or check Bee's website.

jackie

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Nell,

> > And, do you feel you get more benefit from the garlic eaten in food or

> > being taken as a drink?

I like to use a garlic crusher, but you can do the same thing by pounding the

clove of garlic

with the back of your big knife. I like to add it to my bowl, right before I am

serving my soup

into it. It adds a very pungent flavor to soups this way, and goes well with

most meats and

vegetable soups. I just had it with some soup I made with roasted asparagus and

onions,

pureed in vegetable broth. I even stirred in a spoon of coconut oil before I

ate it, and it was

delicious.

Jeanne

[Guest guest]

>

>

> I began to increase my intake of garlic and have not

> had any type of adverse reaction.

>

> Would that be an indication that maybe the yeast is

> chillin out?

==>Yes it could Sue.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank you so much for sharing the information with us all. Greatly

appreciated.

Maddalena

Dave <palewhitedragon@...> wrote:

For all you garlic lovers you might like to read this I ran across.

http://www.anticancer.net/nutrition/

Dave

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[Guest guest]

Hi Irene,

Yes, I think we're supposed to leave the garlic until 5 or 6 tbsp

coconut oil is reached, then garlic is taken as described by Bee.

It is a food of course, and can be eaten, it's just that eating it

is going to increase the die-off, and we need to be monitoring the

die off according to the number of spoons of coconut oil, so that we

know when we're ready for stage 3, extra antifungals, ie garlic etc.

One day I forgot, and put some crushed garlic in my veg. Wow, I

thought, I've really missed the taste of garlic, I must start eating

it again...then later that day I had awful die off, because of the

extra antifungal I'd taken in the garlic. I used to always eat raw

garlic on my veg, never with any kind of after effect. It just

shows how well this diet prepares the body for the candida battle,

and how effective the garlic becomes as an antifungal, once the

candida are not being fed.

Good luck with it. Maybe your coconut oil consumption will go up

now!

Love,

Nicola

>

> I am a little confused right now. Are we supposed to wait before

starting

> garlic until we tolerate the full amount of coconut oil? For some

reason, I

> thought garlic, like coconut oil was considered a food as well.

But now as

> I reread " for the umpteenth time " the files, I realize I might

have been

> doing it backwards. I seem to be having a heck of a time getting

all this

> straight.

> Irene

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I am a little confused right now. Are we supposed to wait before

starting

> garlic until we tolerate the full amount of coconut oil? For some

reason, I

> thought garlic, like coconut oil was considered a food as well.

Hi Irene,

No you don't have to wait until you can tolerate the full amount of

coconut oil before taking garlic.

Here is what it says in the files:

**************************

Step 3 Antifungals

(step 1 is removing foods that feed candida, step 2 take essential

supplements)

(coconut oil and Pau D'Arco tea are considered part of the diet) can

be started when your " die-off " symptoms have diminished after being on

the diet. Some people need to stay on the diet 3-6 months before they

can tolerate antifungals. You will know whether you are ready for a

strong antifungal when you try it. If your " die-off " symptoms are

intolerable you should stop taking the antifungal and stay on the diet

longer.

*********************************

so you can take garlic at the same time you're taking coconut

oil...but be sure to start with small amounts like you would with

coconut oil because it can cause die-off symptoms.

I hope that helps,

jackie

[Guest guest]

> Hey Jackie, Irene and all...

Sorry I got it wrong in reply to Irene's post! It's a good job you

asked your question Irene, cos it shows that I was confused without

even realising it! How bad brain fog must that be?

Thanks, Jackie, for putting me right.

Love,

Nicola

> No you don't have to wait until you can tolerate the full amount of

> coconut oil before taking garlic.

>

> > jackie

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Just my thoughts, here but I think that a very UNhealthy person can

consume garlic and not have a reaction too. If someone eats enough

bad carbs and has enough candida in their system, I doubt garlic would

kill enough of their very well fed candida to make a difference.

Additionally, people may claim not to have reactions, but I don't know

of one person on a toxin laden modern diet who doesn't complain of

aches and pains, sore joints, and fatigue. Just because someone

doesn't connect those issues to food, doesn't mean they are not cuased

by food.

Jecca " )

--- " " <jayppers2672@...> wrote:

Also, am I correct in saying that those who can consume garlic without

die-off and healing reactions are mostly healthy and do not suffer

with candida overgrowth? So once I have overcome my candida overgrowth

I should be able to tolerate garlic and other antifungals without

experiencing die-off and healing reactions?

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your feedback, Jecca!

Let's assume that I am not one of those people though, and I am, as I

really am, following the candida program and am taking garlic to

combat candida. Q: Am I correct in thinking that eventually I should

be able to consume fresh garlic and garlic tea without having die-off

and healing reactions once I have made good progress in overcoming my

candida?

Then, I should continue to consume garlic and other immune system

enhancing, anti-microbial/-fungal, and detoxification aiding foods,

herbs, and foods to continually support my body and immune system,

correct? And at that point, it would just be like 'maintenance,'

without having bad die-off and healing reactions.

In other words, once I've overcome my candida and detoxed effectively,

and my immune system is no longer suppressed, I should no longer

respond to antifungals and antimicrobials with die-off reactions, correct?

Just want to make sure I've got this line of thinking correct.

Thanks and regards,

[Guest guest]

> In other words, once I've overcome my candida and detoxed effectively,

> and my immune system is no longer suppressed, I should no longer

> respond to antifungals and antimicrobials with die-off reactions,

correct?

>

This is how it is for me, . I have no longer have any " die-off "

reaction to garlic or coconut oil...and I still consume both.

jackie

[Guest guest]

>

> Hello, everyone.

>

> Am I correct in thinking that I should be able to consume garlic

> without problems if I were healthy & didn't have candida overgrowth,

> and not experience die-off and healing reactions like frequent loose

> stools/diarrhea and increased bloating and abdominal distension and

gas?

>

> Also, am I correct in saying that those who can consume garlic

without die-off and healing reactions are mostly healthy and do not

suffer with candida overgrowth? So once I have overcome my candida

overgrowth I should be able to tolerate garlic and other antifungals

without experiencing die-off and healing reactions?

==>Some people can eat anything even though they are very unhealthy,

yet they do not get healing/die-off reactions.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Yes you are correct ! Way to go.

The best, Bee

>

> Thanks for your feedback, Jecca!

>

> Let's assume that I am not one of those people though, and I am, as

I

> really am, following the candida program and am taking garlic to

> combat candida. Q: Am I correct in thinking that eventually I should

> be able to consume fresh garlic and garlic tea without having die-

off

> and healing reactions once I have made good progress in overcoming

my

> candida?

>

> Then, I should continue to consume garlic and other immune system

> enhancing, anti-microbial/-fungal, and detoxification aiding foods,

> herbs, and foods to continually support my body and immune system,

> correct? And at that point, it would just be like 'maintenance,'

> without having bad die-off and healing reactions.

>

> In other words, once I've overcome my candida and detoxed

effectively,

> and my immune system is no longer suppressed, I should no longer

> respond to antifungals and antimicrobials with die-off reactions,

correct?

>

> Just want to make sure I've got this line of thinking correct.

> Thanks and regards,

>

>