Re:immune system, superbugs, restaurants, and magnesium

[Guest guest]

A superbug is one that is resistant to antibiotics. Bacteria share genetic

information through conjugation in which a tube grows between two bacteria

and nuclear material passes back and forth through the tube. Hence,

different species of bacteria can share genetic material and this is how

resistance to antibiotics can get passed on.

Lyme bacteria's defense against bacteria is to morph into other forms (cell

wall deficient and cyst) to wait for the hostile environment to pass. Could

Lyme get resistance from other bacteria through conjugation? That I don't

know.

As for starving yourself of magnesium, this to me makes no sense. The

Marshall Protocol believes one should avoid Vit D to starve the Lyme of

that. If these nutrients are essential to our bodily functions, how can

starving one's self help us? Seems it would do more damage. The trick is

to get enough for the body and the bugs.

Of course this is simply my conjecture.

deb

[Guest guest]

A. I eat protein all day long. I take digestive enzymes twice a day to

make sure it gets broke down correctly.

B. A superbug usually refers to a pathogen that has mutated and has

become resistant to treatments, such as antibiotics. Each pathogen has

it's vulnerability. If one can't kill it with antibiotics, there are

homeopathic choices, herbal choices, and more. One can also just

directly boost the immune system, which will lead to more white blood

cells to kill the superbug. It takes a strategy for many of us. It is

commonly stated that taking antibiotics often in childhood is a sign

that the immune system was not working correctly. It is believed by

some of the " better " docs that when one gets problems from the overuse

of antibiotics, that yeast overgrew and attracted mercury from this

excess antibiotic use, as well as other problems. This overgrowth of

yeast can be pervasive, into organs, the scalp, etc. Thus, it can be

difficult to reverse this problem.

C. Once your immune system is suppressed, you will stock-pile many

different pathogens. It's a strategy: testing for some, boosting

immunity, detoxing, boosting nutrition, etc. Most of the alternative

treatments work on several pathogens and pathogen types, so you don't

have to know all your pathogens, and it really is impossible to know.

D. I don't eat at any restaurant chains, without regretting it. I

mostly eat at what they refer to as " Mom and Pop " restaurants. These

are restaurants owned by local people, not chains, and they usually

serve real food.

E. I think Arsenic is the main biofilm mineral. We supplement

magnesium, but I would not want to supplement it without also taking

something to kill Lyme, just in case it will feed it. Some theorize

that the Lyme will come out of cyst form to consume the magnesium, which

would make the Lyme more vulnerable to be killed. Magnesium is very

helpful to reduce symptoms, so it is difficult to not supplement it for

many.

I get my information from the www.LIAFoundation.org website.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

HI All,

I'm Tom from Atlanta and sporadically visit the group, bu find it the

most informative and educated of all I have read.

I believe it was someone in the group who pointed out that....if you

have a very impaired immune system, than you may have a hard time

getting reliable test results, because most tests are looking for

antibodies, and antibodies are produced by the immune system. A lot of

people have immune systems that have lost some ablity to fight back

(hopefully temporarily)

.. That, combined with some very difficult biofilms, would make bad bugs

hard to pick up. But you as the sick person know its there...no doubt

about it. I think we are years behind in testing ability.

So a few questions if anyone has the time to answer.....

A. What are some of the ways you get protein in you without feeding bad

bugs?

B. What is the difference between " superbugs " and Lyme? I had lots of

ABX as a child and I think I have superbugs vs Lyme. Did a lot of you in

here have ear infections as a child and been given lots of ABX? I think

that set me up for years and years of fragility.

C. If you know you have bad bugs running your show, is it worth tesing

to differentiate them? Dr Gordon indicates that it may not be worth

it.....just get on with treatment.

D. What restaurant chains do you trust?

E. I had been a fan of magnesium, but am reading research that magnesium

is one of the big requirements for bad bugs to build its biofilm.

calcium was another. I know magnesium has an exalted status in health

circles, but could it be harmful here?

[Guest guest]

Hi Tom,

I too visit this group, but I don't post often. I will answer some of

your questions. A super bug is any type of bug that gets resistant to

certain antibiotics. Lyme is a particular organism. It can become

resistant to antibiotics as well. It can morph into different

forms(cyst, etc). I find the best approach to this is to continually

rotate your antimicrobials(whether herbal or traditional antibiotics).

Although I do herbal and homeopathic meds, I have to be on antibiotics

as well. If I don't I get horrifically sick. I found a new protocol

that my Lyme doctor has approved. It is actually a protocol that a

microbiologist devised for his wife that had MS. She was positive for

Chlamydia pneumonia. Chlamydia pneumonia is a very difficult infection

to treat. It reacts much like lyme does. It can morph into different

forms like lyme. This protocol uses doxy daily. It then adds in low

dose zithro 3 days a week. It continues to add flagyl or alinia a few

times a month. This protocol addresses all the forms of both lyme, but

it does it gradually. It is not a heavy handed approach.

As for protein intake, years ago I read about some protocol that forbids

protein after 3PM. I think it came from Dr. Rau(not sure). I do know

that I read it from a Marco Pharma(homeopathic/herbal company)

protocol. I think it was referring to the treatment of parasites, but I

do believe it has much to offer with other organisms.

As for magnesium, it is rather like a catch 22. For me, if I don't take

mag I get serious heart disturbance. I was so bad at one point that my

husband had to give me mag shots daily. I am now down to 3 times a

week. I do take oral mag, but I am looking for an alternative. Dr.

Klinghardt is against oral mag. He thinks it feeds the bugs. I have

not found a brand of topical mag that I like yet. There are mag oils

and creams out there that can bypass the digestive system. Transdermal

mag does not feed the biofilms.

As a result of Lyme I have 's disease(my adrenals don't work).

It makes it very difficult for me to test positive to anything. I did

have a few bands positive on an Igenex test. The more LLMD's that I

speak with say that Lyme is a clinical diagnosis. Lyme is so good at

avoiding detection(especially when it has been in your system for a long

time) that the tests are really inaccurate. I would treat on the basis

of symptoms.

I can't tell you about restaurants. I do not eat out at all.

I hope some of this was helpful.

Have a great day.

Peggy

P.S. Maximize your vitamin d levels. It helps to fight infection.

[Guest guest]

>

Hence,

> different species of bacteria can share genetic material and this is how

> resistance to antibiotics can get passed on.

other ways of sharing information are far more important for this. AB resistance

genes can be shared through plasmids (Bb has the most plasmids of any known

organism) or through prophages (a bacterial virus, Bb has at least two of them).

> Lyme bacteria's defense against bacteria is to morph into other forms (cell

> wall deficient and cyst) to wait for the hostile environment to pass. Could

> Lyme get resistance from other bacteria through conjugation? That I don't

> know.

yes, Bb can get resistance info from other Bb or complete different types of

bacteria. But this is supposed to be unimportant, at least within the patient

during treatment. Aquiring AB resistance during ABX treatment has never been

proven for Bb (for other, much faster replicating bugs this is a serious risk).

The survival forms (cyst, CWD, granules, biofilm etc.) probably offer sufficient

protection against most types of ABX.

> As for starving yourself of magnesium, this to me makes no sense. The

> Marshall Protocol believes one should avoid Vit D to starve the Lyme of

> that. If these nutrients are essential to our bodily functions, how can

> starving one's self help us? Seems it would do more damage. The trick is

> to get enough for the body and the bugs.

agree, Bb gets all its nutrients from the host. You cannot starve it without

starving yourself first. Not a good idea. It may help to keep a low glucose /

low carb diet though, because they can readily use these types of energy (only

very simple carbs).