Re: Non S/C Very personal question regarding intimacy

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1) Since the vaginal tissue, vulva, and cervix are so porous (think lots of

micro-holes like a sponge),

a woman has a better chance of absorbing bacteria and viruses than a man.The

bacteria in pre-ejaculate and semen

have have lots of places to enter through a woman's sexual organs.

2) A man could have bacteria and viruses enter through his urethra, but, since

fluid is coming out of his urethra during sex,

bacteria/viruses from a woman tend to get pushed out of the penis (tend to, but

can still get in).

3) So there is the difference, things are generally goinginto a woman and things

are generally coming out of a man. That explains

why a woman has a greater chance of getting infected, generally.

4) If a man has micro-tears on his penis or on any skin that is in contact with

a woman's vaginal fluids, bacteria/viruses can get in

through the tears. Same for a woman, if she has micro-tears on any skin that is

in contact with a man's semen, bacteria/viruses can

get in through the tears.

5) I do not know the size of Lyme bacteria (and related bacteria), so I cannot

say how easy it is for those types of bacteria to pass

through the delicate skin of the sexual organs.

6) I do not know how long Lyme bacteria (and related bacteria) live on

surfaces.

7) Cuts are easy to see/feel, micro-tears are not.

8) The point here is to use UNIVERSAL PRECAUTIONS. I have outlined the facts,

but some facts about passing Lyme during sex are

still unknown. So, it is safest to use protection each and every time and to

clean up immediately after.

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From: MG <goddess_mystic@...>

Sent: Tue, September 7, 2010 4:56:26 PM

Subject: RE: [ ] Very personal question regarding intimacy

Thank you

From: <msadams@...>

Subject: RE: [ ] Very personal question regarding intimacy

Date: Tuesday, September 7, 2010, 1:41 PM

My wife has Chronic Lyme and Bartonella. As far as I know I have never

contracted these diseases in the 3 years she has had them. We do not use any

protection.

Women on the other hand seem more susceptible to catching things from men.

Especially if their immune system is compromised via Lyme.

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

> [ ] Very personal question regarding intimacy

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> Bright Blessings Everyone

>

> I have a personal quqestion and my apologies in advance for

> anyone taking offense. I have a boyfriend with whom we had

> unprotected relations 3 times before knowing that i had

> Lyme(My Co's are Bart/Bab). Then used protection etc because

> my guilt was hanging heavy on me of possible transmission to

> him once diagnosed. We separated for awhile due to his own

> issues from his past, but he is working on those and is still

> supporting me as i support him in his journey to become whole.

>

> I reminded him that we needed to be safe or just merely

> practice our tantra love instead. He would rather forego

> protection while just not releasing inside of me. i just lay

> and cry afterward knowing that it is his concious choice but

> I feel horrible and also scared that anything he has that

> might cross to me as far as just bacteria would cause me more

> grief or that he will get lyme. I need ideas on how to

> approach this if anyone has good suggestions. Anyone else

> feel this way or have this issue? And I meditate, vibrate and

> raise energy as a Tantrika so my libido(very infrequently) is

> still in tact through this....wish it was my brain instead

> lol. He is having igenex testing in 3 weeks, but is not symptomatic.

>

> Namaste

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> 5) I do not know the size of Lyme bacteria (and related bacteria), so I

cannot

> say how easy it is for those types of bacteria to pass

>

> through the delicate skin of the sexual organs.

Borrelia has a size of about 0.3 by 20-30 micrometers.

compared to other bacteria it is very thin and very long.

We know that other spirochetes like Treponema (syphilis) can cross mucosa or

slightly damaged skin. Some other Borrelia species (not the ones causing lyme)

are known to cross intact skin. It is often said that Bb infection through skin

is not possible, but I would not be so sure judging from how some of its close

relatives behave.

> 7) Cuts are easy to see/feel, micro-tears are not.

yes, I think micro-tears is a risk factor.

> 8) The point here is to use UNIVERSAL PRECAUTIONS. I have outlined the facts,

> but some facts about passing Lyme during sex are

>

> still unknown.

seems to me the risk of Bb infection by sex is VERY low; otherwise there would

be no discussion about the question if sexual transmission of LD is possible.

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> Thank you knot_weed

happy to fill in the few blanks between your good points.

BTW, with 'very low risk' I don't mean that people shouldn't be careful. But it

is good to see things in the right perspective. As others have mentioned, other

sexually transmitted diseases are a far bigger risk factor nowadays.