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Dear Marge,

Have it in the cupboard on recommenadtion of Dr Usman but as I seem to be always chasing my tail....!! Havent tried it yet... Would also love to hear others feedback.

Luv caroline

xxx

PS Hows Henry these days and how r the ABA plans goin??

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Same here, heard so much about it, it is now near top of the list of

things to try next. It is one of the herbs recommended for treating lyme

- maybe someone on the autism-lyme list would know more or has used it?

Another question would be whether to use TOA-free or not. Not sure what

TOA stands for, but often mentioned as you want brands without it, but

then I have read statements that claim that is just not true... there is

a big difference in price, with TOA-free ones being lot more expensive.

Caroline, did DrU mention anything about it?

http://www.health4youonline.com/article_%20lyme_disease_its_evolving_and\

_the_time_is.htm

Natasa

>

> Dear Marge,

>

> Have it in the cupboard on recommenadtion of Dr Usman but as I seem to

be

> always chasing my tail....!! Havent tried it yet... Would also love to

hear

> others feedback.

>

> Luv caroline

> xxx

>

> PS Hows Henry these days and how r the ABA plans goin??

>

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I had a long telephone conversation this afternoon with someone who

has Lyme and is knowledgable about Samento and is convinced of its

benefits. They will be sending various links and a pdf document to me

soon.

Margaret

> >

> > Dear Marge,

> >

> > Have it in the cupboard on recommenadtion of Dr Usman but as I

seem to

> be

> > always chasing my tail....!! Havent tried it yet... Would also

love to

> hear

> > others feedback.

> >

> > Luv caroline

> > xxx

> >

> > PS Hows Henry these days and how r the ABA plans goin??

> >

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Samento (not the same as Cat's Claw) is part of Dr Buttar's CBNS protocol (it's the S). Anecdotal reports suggest that the combination of Noni (the N) and Samento are very powerful against Lyme. Together these two are also active against many pathogenic bacteria - Dr Buttar uses them in conjunction with Cumanda (against candida) to assist with gut pathogens (be they viral, parasitic or bacterial). We have used this CBNS protocol for about 4 months now with no negative effect, steady gains, and a well-balanced gut even during chelation.

There is a fair amount of information about these on the net, many derived from 'studies' run out of Ecuador and Austria http://www.whatreallyworks.co.uk/start/articles.asp?article_ID=1178 . Samento is supposed to have useful immune modulating effects.

Mikael

Re: Samento/Cat's Claw

I had a long telephone conversation this afternoon with someone who has Lyme and is knowledgable about Samento and is convinced of its benefits. They will be sending various links and a pdf document to me soon.Margaret> >> > Dear Marge,> >> > Have it in the cupboard on recommenadtion of Dr Usman but as I seem to> be> > always chasing my tail....!! Havent tried it yet... Would also love to> hear> > others feedback.> >> > Luv caroline> > xxx> >> > PS Hows Henry these days and how r the ABA plans goin??> >>

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The link doesn't work (can we do anything to make links work better on this board - only very short ones work?). I tried searching for samento via the home page but got no result.

>>Its a thing - you have to copy and paste it into your browser to get the whole link - there is nothing we can do about it I'm afraid, many better people than me have tried over the years

Mandi x

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Hi,

I've used Samento for Lyme and stopped because it realy bashed my

brain about. If you're going to try, I'd advise titring up from one

drop, especially if you suspect a high microbal load. I know some who

really rate it and a few who couldn't tolerate one drop. I've not

tried standard Cats Claw. BTW Nutramedix who make this, Cumanda,

Burbur etc seem to have a pretty effective marketing machine.

For anyone with Yasko leanings here's a link to how she sees the

difference between Samento and Cats Claw, and her general take on

potentiated supplements

http://www.autismanswer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?

t=7080 & highlight=samento

HTH

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> > Dear Marge,

> >

> > Have it in the cupboard on recommenadtion of Dr Usman but as I

seem to

> be

> > always chasing my tail....!! Havent tried it yet... Would also

love to

> hear

> > others feedback.

> >

> > Luv caroline

> > xxx

> >

> > PS Hows Henry these days and how r the ABA plans goin??

> >

>

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The link doesn't work (can we do anything to make links work better

on this board - only very short ones work?). I tried searching for

samento via the home page but got no result.

Margaret

-- In Autism Treatment , " fideaueater "

wrote:

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> Hi,

>

> I've used Samento for Lyme and stopped because it realy bashed my

> brain about. If you're going to try, I'd advise titring up from

one

> drop, especially if you suspect a high microbal load. I know some

who

> really rate it and a few who couldn't tolerate one drop. I've not

> tried standard Cats Claw. BTW Nutramedix who make this, Cumanda,

> Burbur etc seem to have a pretty effective marketing machine.

>

> For anyone with Yasko leanings here's a link to how she sees the

> difference between Samento and Cats Claw, and her general take on

> potentiated supplements

> http://www.autismanswer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?

> t=7080 & highlight=samento

>

> HTH

>

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > > Dear Marge,

> > >

> > > Have it in the cupboard on recommenadtion of Dr Usman but as I

> seem to

> > be

> > > always chasing my tail....!! Havent tried it yet... Would also

> love to

> > hear

> > > others feedback.

> > >

> > > Luv caroline

> > > xxx

> > >

> > > PS Hows Henry these days and how r the ABA plans goin??

> > >

> >

>

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Oh yeah, sorry. It seems to not accept the bottom bit. Do a search

on Samento and it's the top one, titled 'd lenolate'

> > > >

> > > > Dear Marge,

> > > >

> > > > Have it in the cupboard on recommenadtion of Dr Usman but as

I

> > seem to

> > > be

> > > > always chasing my tail....!! Havent tried it yet... Would

also

> > love to

> > > hear

> > > > others feedback.

> > > >

> > > > Luv caroline

> > > > xxx

> > > >

> > > > PS Hows Henry these days and how r the ABA plans goin??

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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  • 3 years later...

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> Isn't Samento just another name for Cat's Claw? Perhaps I'm mixing up the

herbs............

it is an extract from catsclaw bark, that leaves out part of the full herb. The

Nutramedix people claim that this improves the health benefits of their product,

but Buhner and most other specialists disagree. I agree with Buhner on this.

Samento is more convenient than using catsclaw pills, but it is also a lot more

expensive compared to using bulk herbs.

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Rather than whole cat's claw (which is still quite helpful), it's better to use

Samento or another cat's claw product that's TOA-free, such as

Prima Una de Gato (Nutricology.com). By far, the best brand I know of is Samento

by www.nutramedix.cc

" Eva Sapi, PhD [TLDP.com, July 2010, www.newhaven.edu/news-events/82773.pdf]

studied Nutramedix Banderol & Samento (the 2 herbs taken during the first 78

days of the Condensed Cowden Program) compared to Doxycycline against Borrelia

burgdorferi in vitro. Banderol & Samento were more effective than Doxy in

eliminating the biofilm colonies of Borrelia & the granular, hiding forms of

Borrelia " Cowden, 8/16/10

TLDP.com, July 2010, www.newhaven.edu/news-events/82773.pdf

For more info,

www.klinghardtneurobiology.com/LymeALookBeyond6.pdf

www.Samento.com.ec

www.bodybewell.com/samento.html

www.herbalremedies.com/liquidsamento.html

Leonard

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That is not my understanding from Bruhner's books. I believe he says to use

the whole herb, not the TOA. I use the whole herb in a tincture form.

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[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Leonard

Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 5:40 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: Samento/Cat's Claw

Rather than whole cat's claw (which is still quite helpful), it's better to

use Samento or another cat's claw product that's TOA-free, such as

Prima Una de Gato (Nutricology.com). By far, the best brand I know of is

Samento by www.nutramedix.cc

" Eva Sapi, PhD [TLDP.com, July 2010, www.newhaven.edu/news-events/82773.pdf]

studied Nutramedix Banderol & Samento (the 2 herbs taken during the first 78

days of the Condensed Cowden Program) compared to Doxycycline against

Borrelia burgdorferi in vitro. Banderol & Samento were more effective than

Doxy in eliminating the biofilm colonies of Borrelia & the granular, hiding

forms of Borrelia " Cowden, 8/16/10

TLDP.com, July 2010, www.newhaven.edu/news-events/82773.pdf

For more info,

www.klinghardtneurobiology.com/LymeALookBeyond6.pdf

www.Samento.com.ec

www.bodybewell.com/samento.html

www.herbalremedies.com/liquidsamento.html

Leonard

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> Rather than whole cat's claw (which is still quite helpful), it's better to

use Samento or another cat's claw product that's TOA-free, such as

> Prima Una de Gato (Nutricology.com). By far, the best brand I know of is

Samento by www.nutramedix.cc

everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, but this is not what Buhner and many

other experts think. 'TOA-free' is mostly marketing, not scientific/medical

fact.

> " Eva Sapi, PhD studied Nutramedix Banderol & Samento

as I mentioned: it is a start, but it is only in vitro research that has very

little value for real patients. I would not draw conclusions from this, we know

from experience that you can't do that with LD.

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Sorry, yes, Samento is Cat's Claw with the tetracyclic oxindole alkaloids

removed. The theory is that the TOA's work to a degree against the healing

properties of the Pentacyclic oxindole alkaloids POA's.

I definitely felt a difference between taking regular old cat's claw capsules

and the Samento. Saventaro is another brand of cat's claw with the TOA's

removed. I found the Modified Cowden Protocol and all the natural protocols much

cheaper than the treatments from the allopathic doctors treatments (especially

the IV treatment). One exception would be doxycycline which was like water

against the lyme. It just upset my stomach and made me get nasty dark spots on

my skin when I tried to enjoy the sun. It is also really painful to pay for

failed treatments ; (.

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From: " miradan@... " <miradan@...>

Lyme Aid Buhner < >

Sent: Mon, November 22, 2010 8:48:31 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Samento/Cat's Claw

Isn't Samento just another name for Cat's Claw? Perhaps I'm mixing up the

herbs............

Mira

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> It is also really painful to pay for

> failed treatments ; (.

I agree. But at least over here in Europe, IV treatments and other ABX (if you

can get them) are free of charge for many, assuming you have an official Lyme/NB

diagnosis. Buhner herbs and similar treatments are never paid for by basic

insurance. If you have extended coverage (too expensive for most) the insurance

might pay part of the cost. In general ABX is cheaper for the patient (but not

for society ...).

I have noticed on the Dutch forums that this financial difference is alreay

enough for most people to choose ABX instead of herbs. There are similar issues

with lymetests, some people only get a standard form the local lab,

because they have to pay out of pocket for reliable testing from good labs

(PCR/Western Blot); shortsighted but quite common ...

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This is definitely the case for us personally here in the US. We were so

ill before getting diagnosed (and young) that our disability money

didn't allow us to do anything but conventional abx with just a few

herbs and supplements... basically just probiotics and milk thistle. The

money just wasn't there. Now that the mostly conventional treatment has

allowed my husband to get back to work, we have the money to do other

things like herbal protocols. This includes our daughter's treatment

which has had to be conventional as well because it was covered by

insurance (the prescriptions anyway, not the doc visits which were $$).

However, I DO feel that conventional 'cannon' conventional treatment was

needed for us at first but being able to add more beneficial stuff to it

would have been nice!

Jen

Lymie parents, 5yo Lymie/Aspie

On 11/24/2010 7:33 AM, knot_weed wrote:

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> >

> > It is also really painful to pay for

> > failed treatments ; (.

>

> I agree. But at least over here in Europe, IV treatments and other ABX

> (if you can get them) are free of charge for many, assuming you have

> an official Lyme/NB diagnosis. Buhner herbs and similar treatments are

> never paid for by basic insurance. If you have extended coverage (too

> expensive for most) the insurance might pay part of the cost. In

> general ABX is cheaper for the patient (but not for society ...).

>

> I have noticed on the Dutch forums that this financial difference is

> alreay enough for most people to choose ABX instead of herbs. There

> are similar issues with lymetests, some people only get a standard

> form the local lab, because they have to pay out of pocket for

> reliable testing from good labs (PCR/Western Blot); shortsighted but

> quite common ...

>

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