Re: Colloidal Silver etc......Amazing stuff?

[Guest guest]

Are you seeing relief with Buhner?

Mira

[ ] Colloidal Silver etc......Amazing stuff?

I'm always shocked when I hear these comments & success stories from remedies

that I would classify useless at best...25+ year guy who has seen the finest NE

LLMD's and am very distraught as to how utterly usesless most of these so-called

remedies are......Whoever recovers from CS, IV C, ABX are quite lucky

indeed...Did 10 ounces of Mesosilver for 8 weeks & no result at all..along with

Allimax, Ambrotose, Coiling etc.

Jazzman

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I had a tough time with Cats Claw so after 5 months with full doses of

Resveratrol, Andrographis, Smilax & Allimax, I quit...Then I ordered tinctures

of Resveratrol,Stephania and Crypto and took for 2 months...nothing

Jazzman

[ ] Colloidal Silver etc......Amazing stuff?

I'm always shocked when I hear these comments & success stories from remedies

that I would classify useless at best...25+ year guy who has seen the finest NE

LLMD's and am very distraught as to how utterly usesless most of these so-called

remedies are......Whoever recovers from CS, IV C, ABX are quite lucky

indeed...Did 10 ounces of Mesosilver for 8 weeks & no result at all..along with

Allimax, Ambrotose, Coiling etc.

Jazzman

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry to hear that. Have you researched blocked detox modalities or other

issues, such as parasites, etc.?

I hope you find some relief soon!

Mira

Re: [ ] Colloidal Silver etc......Amazing stuff?

Are you seeing relief with Buhner?

Mira

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Thank you........

Re: [ ] Colloidal Silver etc......Amazing stuff?

Are you seeing relief with Buhner?

Mira

[Guest guest]

Hi

I am sorry to hear that the " alternative approach " hasn't worked for you

I've been extremely aggressive w my herbs, tinctures, teas, saunas, enemas,

zapper, etc

I make nearly all my remedies: teas, capsules, tinctures, etc

So I know the sources are clean

After only 3.5 months of very Intensive & focused treatment, I am improving!

I saw my LLMD yesterday & he was very pleased w my progress

So, I guess what works for some just doesn't work for others

Or it's lifestyle or a combination of things

I live in rural VA

Gave up TV a year ago

Eat ONLY organic

No microwave

Prepare nearly ALL of own food, don't eat out

Eat VERY Little carbs, etc

I have alot of stress in my life & not enough sleep; yet I'm improving

Wishing you Light & Love & Ease of well being

Randy

On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:23 PM, " Jay A. Rovert " <jay12@...> wrote:

> I'm always shocked when I hear these comments & success stories from remedies

that I would classify useless

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Randy,

I'm thrilled for you. I am now seeing a ND who cured herself of Lyme, liver

cancer & 75 days into her protocol......

Jay

Re: [ ] Colloidal Silver etc......Amazing stuff?

Hi

I am sorry to hear that the " alternative approach " hasn't worked for you

I've been extremely aggressive w my herbs, tinctures, teas, saunas, enemas,

zapper, etc

I make nearly all my remedies: teas, capsules, tinctures, etc

So I know the sources are clean

After only 3.5 months of very Intensive & focused treatment, I am improving!

I saw my LLMD yesterday & he was very pleased w my progress

So, I guess what works for some just doesn't work for others

Or it's lifestyle or a combination of things

I live in rural VA

Gave up TV a year ago

Eat ONLY organic

No microwave

Prepare nearly ALL of own food, don't eat out

Eat VERY Little carbs, etc

I have alot of stress in my life & not enough sleep; yet I'm improving

Wishing you Light & Love & Ease of well being

Randy

On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:23 PM, " Jay A. Rovert " <jay12@...> wrote:

> I'm always shocked when I hear these comments & success stories from remedies

that I would classify useless

[Guest guest]

It seems not everyone responds to every treatment. People may have

non-bacterial underlying problems. Antibiotics and CS only address part of

the problems it seems.

Have you heard about KPU protocol with Dr Klinghardt or done the salt/c

regimen? Perhaps there these might be helpful. Also have you tried Buhner

recommendations at all? Another protocol that seems to help people is found

in the " lyme disease solution " book by Dr Singleton.

What is your story? What do you believe you have and what have you done? Any

herxes? Any improvement?

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

> [ ] Colloidal Silver etc......Amazing stuff?

>

> I'm always shocked when I hear these comments & success

> stories from remedies that I would classify useless at

> best...25+ year guy who has seen the finest NE LLMD's and am

> very distraught as to how utterly usesless most of these

> so-called remedies are......Whoever recovers from CS, IV C,

> ABX are quite lucky indeed...Did 10 ounces of Mesosilver for

> 8 weeks & no result at all..along with Allimax, Ambrotose,

> Coiling etc.

> Jazzman

[Guest guest]

Can you share what the basis of the protocol is? Are you seeing any

improvement so far?

> Re: [ ] Colloidal Silver

> etc......Amazing stuff?

>

> Randy,

>

> I'm thrilled for you. I am now seeing a ND who cured herself

> of Lyme, liver cancer & 75 days into her protocol......

> Jay

> Re: [ ] Colloidal Silver

> etc......Amazing stuff?

>

>

>

> Hi

>

> I am sorry to hear that the " alternative approach " hasn't

> worked for you

>

> I've been extremely aggressive w my herbs, tinctures, teas,

> saunas, enemas, zapper, etc I make nearly all my remedies:

> teas, capsules, tinctures, etc So I know the sources are clean

>

> After only 3.5 months of very Intensive & focused treatment,

> I am improving!

> I saw my LLMD yesterday & he was very pleased w my progress

>

> So, I guess what works for some just doesn't work for others

>

> Or it's lifestyle or a combination of things

>

> I live in rural VA

> Gave up TV a year ago

> Eat ONLY organic

> No microwave

> Prepare nearly ALL of own food, don't eat out Eat VERY Little

> carbs, etc

>

> I have alot of stress in my life & not enough sleep; yet I'm improving

>

> Wishing you Light & Love & Ease of well being

>

> Randy

>

> On Oct 20, 2010, at 5:23 PM, " Jay A. Rovert "

> <jay12@...> wrote:

>

> > I'm always shocked when I hear these comments & success

> stories from

> > remedies that I would classify useless

>

>

[Guest guest]

I concur!...Have tried CS, both industrial strength and homemade, coiling, HBOT,

and NO obvious impact on infections.

>

> I'm always shocked when I hear these comments & success stories from remedies

that I would classify useless at best...25+ year guy who has seen the finest NE

LLMD's and am very distraught as to how utterly usesless most of these so-called

remedies are......Whoever recovers from CS, IV C, ABX are quite lucky

indeed...Did 10 ounces of Mesosilver for 8 weeks & no result at all..along with

Allimax, Ambrotose, Coiling etc.

>

[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for your concern & maybe we can also talk offline as some things are

private/personal.

Crohns surgary in 1975-77, Lyme diagnosis 2000.

Saw all famous LLMD's ex-Horowitz from 2000-2005....My gut impeded some

therapies, rarely herxed

Diagnosed by 5 different quality Lyme labs......MD's were not so diet conscious

at that time or detox conscious.

2007 discovered Rife, F-Scan, Coil for 3 years along with Buhner...gradual

decline, then CS

Herxed from coiling big-time but never improved.

Jay

[ ] Colloidal Silver etc......Amazing stuff?

>

> I'm always shocked when I hear these comments & success

> stories from remedies that I would classify useless at

> best...25+ year guy who has seen the finest NE LLMD's and am

> very distraught as to how utterly usesless most of these

> so-called remedies are......Whoever recovers from CS, IV C,

> ABX are quite lucky indeed...Did 10 ounces of Mesosilver for

> 8 weeks & no result at all..along with Allimax, Ambrotose,

> Coiling etc.

> Jazzman

[Guest guest]

I am happy to email as needed but I am not a phone person. My wife does have

an alternative health resource center though. www.VistaViewHealth.com

She has Chronic Lyme which she feels is pretty well into remission. She

tried a number of regimens and protocols too until getting into one that has

helped her.

_____

From: Jay A. Rovert [mailto:jay12@...]

Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 4:48 PM

Cc: msadams@...

Subject: Re: [ ] Colloidal Silver etc......Amazing stuff?

,

Thanks for your concern & maybe we can also talk offline as some things are

private/personal.

Crohns surgary in 1975-77, Lyme diagnosis 2000.

Saw all famous LLMD's ex-Horowitz from 2000-2005....My gut impeded some

therapies, rarely herxed

Diagnosed by 5 different quality Lyme labs......MD's were not so diet

conscious at that time or detox conscious.

2007 discovered Rife, F-Scan, Coil for 3 years along with Buhner...gradual

decline, then CS

Herxed from coiling big-time but never improved.

Jay

[ ] Colloidal Silver etc......Amazing stuff?

>

> I'm always shocked when I hear these comments & success

> stories from remedies that I would classify useless at

> best...25+ year guy who has seen the finest NE LLMD's and am

> very distraught as to how utterly usesless most of these

> so-called remedies are......Whoever recovers from CS, IV C,

> ABX are quite lucky indeed...Did 10 ounces of Mesosilver for

> 8 weeks & no result at all..along with Allimax, Ambrotose,

> Coiling etc.

> Jazzman

[Guest guest]

>

> I'm always shocked when I hear these comments & success stories from remedies

that I would classify useless at best...

agree, although as a scientist i have to point out that most of these therapies

have not been disproved either (the suppliers are usually not interested in

having their product tested according to scientific rules).

We had a program last week on Dutch TV about MMS, showing all the dishonesty

that is going on behind the scenes. You would guess that people get more

cautious but no, many Lyme patients were outrageous that they dared to say

something negative about their favorite treatment (of the week ...), or their

guru Jim.

Very few of these therapies will work against Borrelia; but some of them may

work against other parasites (e.g. bacteria in the gut) and thus provide some

minor benefit for the patient.

[Guest guest]

>

> It seems not everyone responds to every treatment. People may have

> non-bacterial underlying problems. Antibiotics and CS only address part of

> the problems it seems.

agree. I'm guessing that most Lyme patients have at least one (other) underlying

problem, e.g. toxins or some other infection. LD does not have a simple cause so

there will probably never be a simple cure.

[Guest guest]

I take lithium orotate (not the Rx lithium). It is an inexpensive supplement.

Rosner discussed it in his book " The Top 10 Lyme Treatments " . It

supposedly protects the brain from neurotoxins. You can research this.

deb

> >

> > I'm always shocked when I hear these comments & success stories from

remedies

> >that I would classify useless at best...25+ year guy who has seen the finest

NE

> >LLMD's and am very distraught as to how utterly usesless most of these

so-called

> >remedies are......Whoever recovers from CS, IV C, ABX are quite lucky

> >indeed...Did 10 ounces of Mesosilver for 8 weeks & no result at all..along

with

> >Allimax, Ambrotose, Coiling etc.

> >

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