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Date: 1 Oct 2005 09:20:34 -0000

Subject: Digest Number 2077

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Kathy,

Dr. Dayrit from the Philippines is a cardiologist and

recommends virgin coconut oil use by his patients.

Also my cousin, in his 80s, had a valve changed in his

aorta three years ago. His well known Filipino

cardiologists (one is a heart surgeon here in US)

approved of his ingesting coconut oil. If you read

the writings of Enig and Bruce Fife you might

find some " quotes " from Dr. Dayrit, who by the way now

heads the Potenciano Polymedic Hospital which

encourages integration of alternative and conventional

medical practice in their institution.

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Hey ,

As I sit reading all the wonderful comments made about VCO --- This perhaps is

the one I appreciate the most! Thanks so much!

Kathy

melly banagale <@...> wrote:

Kathy,

Dr. Dayrit from the Philippines is a cardiologist and

recommends virgin coconut oil use by his patients.

Also my cousin, in his 80s, had a valve changed in his

aorta three years ago. His well known Filipino

cardiologists (one is a heart surgeon here in US)

approved of his ingesting coconut oil. If you read

the writings of Enig and Bruce Fife you might

find some " quotes " from Dr. Dayrit, who by the way now

heads the Potenciano Polymedic Hospital which

encourages integration of alternative and conventional

medical practice in their institution.

" The American Indians found out what

happens when you don't control immigration. "

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I have that herb houttinyia as a groundcover and its a beautiful plant

with many color in it , I have a master herbalist that I have dug some up for

to plant as well as make the med's , I will let you know how it works out

as we have about 50 people so far that are interested in trying herbal

treatments for free in my area I 95 corridor mass and NH , the herbalist has a

PHD in many things plant related and is also working on other plants such as

the buhner and cowden protocols , he's been at it for years but lyme just

a few . please feel free to contact me at _thumbsofgreen@..._

(mailto:thumbsofgreen@...) if you would like info or samples just

would

like SASE , but It is still being studied , as he access to the college

labs too .I have chronic 6 year lyme , and yes I am bitten on average 10 times

a year complete with the bulls eye and I do protect myself but work

outside for a living doing display gardens some of them I had to give up

because

of the herxing , getting a pic line in late October one I am out of the

dirt , can someone tell me the Latin name and image of the artemesia that is

used ? I also make 5 different sprays , and I make one with rose germanium

that I grow myself , I would also like a homemade distiller for oils , or

plans of course , I was thinking that mother earth mag might have one in the

archives ......sorry so long I hope this goes thru

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_zoie19582002 _ (zoie19582002)

Thu Aug 5, 2010 7:37 am (PDT)

Kathy,

For me, it's not about ridding my body of Lyme but living a good life with

energy and health. That's the key, duh.

And I'm talking about the Buhner, non-ABX protocol. Yes the bugs mutate,

yes

they hide. so isn't it logical to continue the knotweed, cat's claw and

wormwood even in small doses regardless of the testing. Because the testing

picks up the spirokeets (spelling doesn't count) in the blood - and after

some time, they are hiding far, far away or are in CWD forms. Right?

I've noticed a rythum - they seem to raise their ugly heads about every

27-31 days for me - and there goes my energy. Anyone else notice this

timeframe? And other than those 3 yicky days, I'm living and working with

the bugs I have. I don't like them and they don't like me (just like crappy

neighbors) but as long as they stay out of my way, I'm happy. I'm still

waiting to get my energy back.

_____

From: _ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_

(mailto: )

[mailto:_ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_

(mailto: ) ] On Behalf Of Kathy Goebel

Sent: Monday, August 02, 2010 10:10 PM

_ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_

(mailto: )

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Side Effects of Starting the

Protocol(Kathy)

I would also love to know where those stats came from and over how long to

get

them. I was first diagnosed with Lymes years ago then within a few ,months,

I

started testing negative for 4 years....the it was back and hasn't left

this

time. I know it mutates and hides well, so I question if there is victory

unless

treated immediately. Please encourage me that what I think might be true is

not

true....I would love to know people are living without Lymes and

coinfections

and how they got that victory.

________________________________

From: bonnieblanchet <_bonnieblanchet@bonnieblanc_

(mailto:bonnieblanchet@...)

<mailto:bonnieblancmailto:bonniebmai> >

_ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_

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<mailto:Lyme_mailto:Lymemailto:Lyme_<Wmai>

Sent: Mon, August 2, 2010 11:19:20 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: Side Effects of Starting the

Protocol(Kathy)

Where did you get that statistic that 70-80% defeat lyme. Is this for the

Buhner

protocol or just in general?

>

> I wanted to write with regard to Air Hunger. This had been a slight

symptom until the past week or so, when I, stupidly, decided I was feeling a

bit better and decided to go for a long walk (well, long for me lately). A

few hours later, the breathing situation got pretty bad and now it's nearly

every breath where I have to yawn or physically push back my shoulders or

cough to try to get a satisfying breath. Have any of you had this symptom,

and what has been helpful?

>

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Posted by: " montylife@... " _montylife@... _

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_montylife@... _

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Thu Aug 5, 2010 11:01 am (PDT)

Yes there are great products for gut permeability. I think I got really

lucky I spent 6 months healing my gut before I started abx or was diagnosed

with lyme. But that does not change the importance of gut health throughout

the abx or herbal treatment for lyme. My gut is stable because of my diet

and supplements.

I now work in this arena, educating doctors on how to implement diet,

lifestyle and supplements into their practice.

As for diet, most of you know this... for at least a month possibly 6, go

off wheat/gluten, dairy, sugar, alcohol. Eat lean proteins, lots of white

rice and veggies. Consider never reintroducing gluten. Let me know if you

want a list of grain that are gluten free.

As for products to repair the lining of the gut, I will get to that, but

first..... The digestive tract's immune system is referred to as

gut-associated lymphoid tissue (GALT) and works to protect the body from

invasion.

GALT is an example of mucosa-associated lymphoid tissue. The GALT which is a

mucous membrane that lines your entire body. Take your tongue and run around

the inside of your mouth. That thin layer lines your body to protect it

from toxins and help with the absorption of nutrients. When the lining is

broken down (think of mesh with holes in it) toxins and unprocessed nutrients

enter our blood stream cause and antibody response. Hence the rise in

gluten allergies.

Recolonizing the gut with good bacteria is important, but stabilizing the

gut so it can process effectively is extremely important too.

Ingredients to look for.....

L-glutamine (white rice is high in)

NAG- N-Acetyl-D-glucosamNAG

Compaines that make permeability products.

Integretive therapeutics-Integretive therapeutics-<WBR>Permeability factors

(only co out there that makes in softgel form, res

Allergy Research Group-Perm a vite

Biogenesis- intestinal Repair Complex.

These are all professional only lines, but you will be able to search and

find them on the internet.

There are other options to help support the gut. But let me know how this

goes. Happy to share more on detox and repairs .

In health

Monty

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[ ] Re:serotonin challenge

I hate to call it war, rather call it a difference of opinion as there is

research backing both 'sides'.

On the MP/marshall Protocol, one does not take 'a lot' of abx, it is

actually quite minimal amounts as olmesartan/Benicar is an

ARB/angiotension

receptor site blocker - thus 'disabling' pathogens that have antiogension

site receptors like Lyme and allowing much smaller amounts of abx to be

used

than is normally used orally for Chronic/Persistant Lyme. I would not be

able to tolerate the amounts of oral abx that my son has used.

I have gotten some permanent gains even tho/but I've not been an ideal

patient for various reasons NOT medically related, so I'm not the best

example even.

If you read the research

_http://synergyhn.http://syneht_ (http://synergyhn.com/editor-2/)

_http://synergyhn.http://sy_ (http://synergyhn.com/talk/)

_http://synergyhn.http://syner_ (http://synergyhn.com/lesions/)

there is always another side; AND not every protocol is for every person;

and most with Lyme & Co usually need more than one route eventually. I

think

we all learn that lesson over time. My doctor said I was the only one of

his

pts, a very tiny group (less than 10) with different problems that did not

have sarcoidosis that reported good effects, but hey, I have! (All his sarc

pts did better).

I'm not telling anyone to do it, we all have to inform ourselves and make

our own decisions tho. For the record, before the MP I took high doses of

D3. As usual, it initially helped and then quit, just like everything else

before the MP. The only other things that have ever helped me is

physiological doses of cortisol and B12 injections.

Again we all have such ideosyncratic reactions, one just has to keep trying

imho... Ava

--- In _ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_

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<mailto:Lyme_mailto:Lymemailto:Lyme_<Wmai> , allrpossible@

>

> There is a war about this. Some say get all the sun you can and

> supplement Vit. D, and some say avoid sun and Vit. D at all costs.

> There is a protocol called the Marshall Protocol that entails avoiding

> Vit. D while also lots of antibiotics. I scanned the forums and did not

> see that they were doing any better than those who just took lots of

> antibiotics. I vote to taking Vit. D and lots of sun and that is what I

> do, and I feel it helps very noticeably. So much in fact, that I feel

> that if I were to get many hours of sun every day, it might be enough to

> rid most of my symptoms. My whole family tests low in Vit. D which is

> typical in chronic bacterial infections. I vote for the sun, after all,

> it's natural and Americans were all a lot healthier when we were getting

> lots of sun.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

>

> I've been hearing that Lyme patients should stay out of direct sunlight

> during the healing process. But with the necessity of sunlight for

> adaquate serotonin production (at least for some of us) how do we get

> by? I suppose with herbs and supplements.

> ... Any suggestions?

>

>

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--- In _ @Lyme_Aid_BuhLym_

(mailto: ) , montylife@..,

>

> Compaines that make permeability products.

> Integretive therapeutics- Integretive therapeutics-<WBR>Permeability

factors (only co out there that makes

> Allergy Research Group-Perm a vite

> Biogenesis- intestinal Repair Complex.

are those some special kind or probiotics? Never seen it in the medical

literature.

> These are all professional only lines, but you will be able to search

and find them on the internet.

>

> There are other options to help support the gut. But let me know how

this goes. Happy to share more on detox and repairs .

I got gluten sensitivity after my ABX treatment for Lyme (or maybe it

already was there before the ABX or before the lyme, as some people think). I

have been on a low gluten diet for over a year with good result.

I tried Aloe Vera drink recently, I like the taste and it is said to cure

certain gut functions. At first it produced pretty severe cramping a few

hours after taking even a small dose. Now I can drink it without too much

trouble, but I didn't notice any clear benefit. Anyone else with some

experience?

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Thu Aug 5, 2010 11:04 am (PDT)

I saw on Planet Thrive site that Buhner says he doesn't have recommended

herbs for bart...I see that Zhang and other sources use houttinyia.

So what are you all using?

Hope

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Where yall at? lol

I want to start this herb soon.

Can anybody tell me their experience with it?

Any tips?

I order from 1stchineseherbs and make my own tinctures.

PS: Anybody here have/had a bad case of blurred vision and cured it?

It's my most annoying symptom and I sort of judge my success around it.

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