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Actually Armour, naturethroid etc are from pigs.

Gracia

> BR, just a thought..... Armour is made from cattle, it is bovine thyroid

> gland... if that makes a difference as far as one's religious beliefs are

> concerned. I think Nature-Throid is also made from cow's thyroid. I'm

not

> sure if there are any sources of natural thyroid replacement that aren't.

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it sounds as though you are having an addisons crisis all on your own -

this could be due to fluctuating cortisol levels and you might be just

about to crash badly again - have you been overdong it lately or had

more stress than usual?

Kerry

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Hi

Sorry to trouble you again. After I sent the last post, I read further

down these messages, and the list of this to notify GP about with long

term H/C treatment. I ve listed the symtoms out of the list that I have

without having used H/C for over two years.

Appearance of Moon Face ( I can hardly see, because of the amount my

eye area is puffed up

Enlargement of some fat pads

The appearance of fat in the mid section

Adnormal fat around back of neck (below hairline)

General Obesity put on around 6 stone in past 5 years

Muscle weakness

Not had blood pressure taken for a while

No sugar although I shake and feel faint quite often then have to eat to

feel better

Easy of spontaneous bruising

any ideas would be greatly appreciated

Gail

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If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my

cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't

seem to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if

anybody is interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it.

Bev

LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote:

If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only

adrenal

fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation.

Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your

body

basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body

and the

metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help

greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much

steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you

withdrawel too

quickly... hope this helps.

Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids

Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of

patients

have no, or only minor, side effects.

Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs:

Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC):

Appearance of " moonface "

Enlargement of some fat pad areas

The appearance of fat in the midsection

Abnormal fat deposits

General obesity

Muscle wasting and weakness

High blood pressure

Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes)

Osteoporosis

Thinning of skin

Easy or spontaneous bruising

Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause:

Nausea

Fatigue

Loss of appetite

Difficulty breathing

Lowered blood pressure

Joint and muscle aches

Fever

Dizziness

Fainting

General body discomfort

Digestive tract problems:

Nausea

Vomiting

Increased appetite

Weight gain

Indigestion or heartburn

Bloating

Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland)

Peptic ulcer

Stomach pain

Rectal bleeding

Local pain or burning with enemas

CNS (central nervous system) problems:

Convulsions or seizures

Increased pressure in the brain

Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion

Headache

Behavior changes

Sleeplessness

Hiccups

Mood swings

Depression

Psychotic manifestations

Clumsiness

Exaggerated sense of well being

Circulatory system problems:

Heart failure

High blood pressure

Thrombosis (clot formation)

Skin changes:

Impaired wound healing

Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin

Changes in pigmentation of skin

Acne

Excessive body hair growth

Rash or hives

Easy or spontaneous bruising

Facial flushing

Loss of or abnormal skin sensations

Increased sweating (very common)

Other changes or problems:

Salt and water retention

Potassium loss

General body discomfort

Abnormally low calcium

Muscle weakness

Loss of muscle mass

Bone density loss

Bone fractures

Menstrual irregularities (women)

Growth suppression (children)

Decreased carbohydrate tolerance

Increased blood sugar levels

Cataracts

Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure

Bulging eyes

Aggravation or masking of an infection

Rare instances of blindness

Tendon rupture

Suppressed reaction to skin tests

Kaposi's sarcoma

Hip or shoulder bone degradation

Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness

Muscle twitching

Exaggerated rapid eye movement

>

>Hi Gracia,

>What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it

just

>make you feel better?

>thanks

>Bev

>

>Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

>I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva

was high

>normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab

showed

>ALL

>adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result.

Doc

>was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!!

Very

>frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com

in

>the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for

myself,

>finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I

said I

>am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great,

and he

>was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed

good

>effects right away, certainly within a week.

>Gracia

>

> > Hi Gracia!

> >

> > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting

today

> > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite

of the

> > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how

much is

> > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ?

> >

> > BR

> >

> > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the

adrenal

>glands.

> > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe

Uses

>of

> > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD.

> > > Gracia

> > >

> > >> Hi !

> > >>

> > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the

meds

>for

> > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to

steroid

> > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give

extra

> > >> ordinary

> > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time.

> > >>

> > >> Please clarifiy me.

> > >>

> > >> B.R.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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6 drops of Lugol's in a glass of chocolate milk. Now I

take it in the morning and at night.

--- Every <denisee@...> wrote:

> Mike, how are you taking the Lugol's, what dose?

>

>

>

>

> Re: Re: adrenal support

>

>

> > Speaking of Iodine, I just started taking Lugol's

> > Iodine everyday. I have noticed a calming effect.

> I'm

> > also taking Armour at 1.5 grain daily.

> >

>

>

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Hi Bev

Im new to this site, but was very interested to read on a previous thread that

you had cushings syndrome.

Potted history, neglected thyroid function for years, CFS,

Over the past couple of years been self medicating, had nightmare times with

Thyroxine, with Armour Thyroid 2.1./2 grains.

About 8 weeks ago I began to start going downhill, then 6 six weeks ago had

wisdom tooth removed, need I say more.

2 weeks ago, had bloods tests done via NPTech last weeks

results

Free T3 6.2

Free T4 17.0

TSH < 0.005

Temp is OK between 36.5 - 36.7 each morning

All seems well, but not so,

I had a look at a couple of cushings site, on one is a diagram and symptoms, and

it looks just like I do, including symptoms. On one of the sites was a list of

symtoms. Out of 17 I have 12, would be 13 be I had a hysterectomy in 1988, aged

32 yrs.

I have a salivery test as home, from NPTech which I intend to do on Monday, is

this test enough, and if it comes back with high level cotisol what should I do

next, as after having a couple of really bad times with the endo and my local

hospital, he's out of the question,

Any advice would be gratefully accepted

bye

gail

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Hi Gracia,

What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just make

you feel better?

thanks

Bev

Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was high

normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed ALL

adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result. Doc

was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very

frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com in

the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for myself,

finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I said I

am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and he

was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good

effects right away, certainly within a week.

Gracia

> Hi Gracia!

>

> Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting today

> that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of the

> fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is

> your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ?

>

> BR

>

> > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal

glands.

> > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses of

> > Cortisol by Jefferies MD.

> > Gracia

> >

> >> Hi !

> >>

> >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds for

> >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid

> >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra

> >> ordinary

> >> and isntant energy to individual at that time.

> >>

> >> Please clarifiy me.

> >>

> >> B.R.

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi

I dont think Ive been overdoing it, I started to go downhill around the beg.

April, then I had a wisdom tooth + some bone removed at the end of April,pain

pain pain. Since then I just seemed to have ground to a halt.

You mention having an addisons crisis, Im confused (doesnt take much) could all

my symtoms be caused by lack of cortisol and well as too much

Thanks

Gail

Re: Re: adrenal support

If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my

cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't

seem to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if

anybody is interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it.

Bev

LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote:

If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only

adrenal

fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation.

Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your

body

basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body

and the

metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help

greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much

steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you

withdrawel too

quickly... hope this helps.

Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids

Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of

patients

have no, or only minor, side effects.

Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs:

Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC):

Appearance of " moonface "

Enlargement of some fat pad areas

The appearance of fat in the midsection

Abnormal fat deposits

General obesity

Muscle wasting and weakness

High blood pressure

Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes)

Osteoporosis

Thinning of skin

Easy or spontaneous bruising

Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause:

Nausea

Fatigue

Loss of appetite

Difficulty breathing

Lowered blood pressure

Joint and muscle aches

Fever

Dizziness

Fainting

General body discomfort

Digestive tract problems:

Nausea

Vomiting

Increased appetite

Weight gain

Indigestion or heartburn

Bloating

Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland)

Peptic ulcer

Stomach pain

Rectal bleeding

Local pain or burning with enemas

CNS (central nervous system) problems:

Convulsions or seizures

Increased pressure in the brain

Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion

Headache

Behavior changes

Sleeplessness

Hiccups

Mood swings

Depression

Psychotic manifestations

Clumsiness

Exaggerated sense of well being

Circulatory system problems:

Heart failure

High blood pressure

Thrombosis (clot formation)

Skin changes:

Impaired wound healing

Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin

Changes in pigmentation of skin

Acne

Excessive body hair growth

Rash or hives

Easy or spontaneous bruising

Facial flushing

Loss of or abnormal skin sensations

Increased sweating (very common)

Other changes or problems:

Salt and water retention

Potassium loss

General body discomfort

Abnormally low calcium

Muscle weakness

Loss of muscle mass

Bone density loss

Bone fractures

Menstrual irregularities (women)

Growth suppression (children)

Decreased carbohydrate tolerance

Increased blood sugar levels

Cataracts

Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure

Bulging eyes

Aggravation or masking of an infection

Rare instances of blindness

Tendon rupture

Suppressed reaction to skin tests

Kaposi's sarcoma

Hip or shoulder bone degradation

Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness

Muscle twitching

Exaggerated rapid eye movement

>

>Hi Gracia,

>What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it

just

>make you feel better?

>thanks

>Bev

>

>Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

>I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva

was high

>normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab

showed

>ALL

>adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result.

Doc

>was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!!

Very

>frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com

in

>the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for

myself,

>finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I

said I

>am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great,

and he

>was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed

good

>effects right away, certainly within a week.

>Gracia

>

> > Hi Gracia!

> >

> > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting

today

> > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite

of the

> > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how

much is

> > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ?

> >

> > BR

> >

> > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the

adrenal

>glands.

> > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe

Uses

>of

> > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD.

> > > Gracia

> > >

> > >> Hi !

> > >>

> > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the

meds

>for

> > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to

steroid

> > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give

extra

> > >> ordinary

> > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time.

> > >>

> > >> Please clarifiy me.

> > >>

> > >> B.R.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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adrenaline is the accelerator and cortisol is the brakes. Rapid heartbeat

and pulse are a symptom of needing cortisol.

Gracia

> I'm confused....in this post, LaCretia said by taking Cortef, you are

> basically

> giving yourself " adrenalyn " ....it is my understanding that

> adrenaline(Epinephrine)

> and Hyrodrocortisone are two entirely different things, produced in

different

> areas

> of the adrenal gland...Epinephrine, being the hormone responsible for

> dilating blood

> vessels, as to give us more oxygen during times of stress..and

hyrocortisone,

> being the hormone that regulates the use of our food energy, and also

helps us

> recover from the initial stimulation of the Epinephrine by basically

bringing

> us

> back " down " ...

> Did I miss something?

>

>

>

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The problem here is the improper use of steroids, promoted by drug

companies, and why Jefferies MD wrote the book Safe Uses of

Cortisol. Empyhesema/bronchitis are symptoms of adrenal insufficiency,

best treated with low dose cortisol and other hormones (estrogen and

progesterone etc.) Docs do not use bio-identical hormones, there just is

no money to be made from bio-identicals since they can't be patented. Drug

companies make $$$$ off of synthetics. This is crisis medicine tratment,

with it's vicious cycle. No wonder we hear all the scary things about

steroids. I quite agree---when they are used wrong they are dangerous.

Gracia

http://www.fudgedesign.co.uk/tuk/faq.htm#q29

http://www.drlam.com/A3R_brief_in_doc_format/adrenal_fatigue.cfm

> LaCretia,

>

>

> A therapeutic dosage is going to be higher than a replacement dosage.

The

> goal of replacement dosage is to achieve a normal level of hormone in the

> body, to replace what the body is not making or utilizing properly.

>

> A therapeutic dosage is a dose given over and above the body's normal

levels

> to effect a treatment response. My mother, for example, has emphysema and

> right now is battling bronchitis. The doctor put her on a therapeutic

> dosage schedule of 60 mg a day for several days, and then will be

decreasing

> it by 10 mg a day for a few weeks, until she is tapered to nothing.

>

> The reason this is done is because when people are receiving high doses of

> cortisol/steroids and have normally-functioning adrenal glands, the

adrenals

> will stop producing coritsol in the interim, as the body's feedback

> mechanism senses there is a lot of cortisone in the system and so tells

the

> adrenals not to make any more. As the level of cortisone (or prednisone,

> etc.) is decreased gradually, the body's mechanism detects the lower

levels

> and tells the adrenals to start making a little more. Gradually as the

> therapeutic dosage is reduced, the adrenals increase their production, so

> when the medication is stopped, the adrenals will be at their normal full

> production rate.

>

> If the medication is stopped abruptly at a high dose, they will end up

with

> inadequate amounts of cortisol in their system because the adrenals

> basically have been on vacation during this time and they don't kick right

> back in, it takes them some time to gear up production, and so the person

> will end up having symptoms of hypo adrenal function...which can even be a

> crisis situation in some.

>

> Keep in mind that all of this pertains to normally functioning adrenal

> glands - if a person has lost adrenal function and are perpetually hypo

> adrenal, that is a different situation and they will always need

replacement

> hormone.

>

> I will say that 20 mg four times a day sounds very high to me, even for

> therapeutic dosages.... but there is such a tremendous variation among

> individuals, from size to metabolism to every other parameter.

>

>

>

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HI Gail,

The salivery test that is done at home, do you send it away for lab results?

Bev

darren ashmore <dashngail@...> wrote:

Hi Bev

Im new to this site, but was very interested to read on a previous thread that

you had cushings syndrome.

Potted history, neglected thyroid function for years, CFS,

Over the past couple of years been self medicating, had nightmare times with

Thyroxine, with Armour Thyroid 2.1./2 grains.

About 8 weeks ago I began to start going downhill, then 6 six weeks ago had

wisdom tooth removed, need I say more.

2 weeks ago, had bloods tests done via NPTech last weeks

results

Free T3 6.2

Free T4 17.0

TSH < 0.005

Temp is OK between 36.5 - 36.7 each morning

All seems well, but not so,

I had a look at a couple of cushings site, on one is a diagram and symptoms, and

it looks just like I do, including symptoms. On one of the sites was a list of

symtoms. Out of 17 I have 12, would be 13 be I had a hysterectomy in 1988, aged

32 yrs.

I have a salivery test as home, from NPTech which I intend to do on Monday, is

this test enough, and if it comes back with high level cotisol what should I do

next, as after having a couple of really bad times with the endo and my local

hospital, he's out of the question,

Any advice would be gratefully accepted

bye

gail

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This sounds like a really bad situation. You need to find a competent doc

for sure. High T3 only means that it is not getting into the cells. I

think you might feel better with some DHEA too. Where do you live and how

old are you?

Gracia

> Hi

> After reading your last post, I've just had a look at a cushings site.

> A few years ago I had a syacthen (excuse spelling) to which I was called

back urgently to the hospital, for what I now think was a cortisone

injection, then told to go home. After looking at this site, I am still not

sure whether I have this. My life is a nightmare, a few weeks ago I started

to become very ill again, no energy, no interest and blowing up. My face,

neck and abdomin is huge, to the extent that my back is hurting very much

because of the weight of my abdomin. My husband and I have just looked at

the photographs on the site, and they look just like me.

> I am so desperate for some help. I remember vaguely when I have the

syacthen test someone saying it wasnt very good, is this true, if so what

test should I have.

> I gave up with Endo. quite a while ago, and have been self medicating with

Armour Thyroid for around 18 months and been OK. but the story has now

changed massively. Last week my blood results showed that my T3 was up, and

I felt like I was dying, so I stopped the meds. and I must admit I do feel

different, but still ill. I have been taking H/C for the past few days.

>

>

> Bye

> Gail

> Re: Re: adrenal support

>

>

> If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my

cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't seem

to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if anybody is

interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it.

> Bev

>

> LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote:

> If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only

adrenal

> fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation.

> Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your

body

> basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body and

the

> metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help

> greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much

> steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you withdrawel

too

> quickly... hope this helps.

>

> Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids

>

> Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of patients

> have no, or only minor, side effects.

> Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs:

>

> Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC):

> Appearance of " moonface "

> Enlargement of some fat pad areas

> The appearance of fat in the midsection

> Abnormal fat deposits

> General obesity

> Muscle wasting and weakness

> High blood pressure

> Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes)

> Osteoporosis

> Thinning of skin

> Easy or spontaneous bruising

>

> Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause:

> Nausea

> Fatigue

> Loss of appetite

> Difficulty breathing

> Lowered blood pressure

> Joint and muscle aches

> Fever

> Dizziness

> Fainting

> General body discomfort

> Digestive tract problems:

> Nausea

> Vomiting

> Increased appetite

> Weight gain

> Indigestion or heartburn

> Bloating

> Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland)

> Peptic ulcer

> Stomach pain

> Rectal bleeding

> Local pain or burning with enemas

> CNS (central nervous system) problems:

> Convulsions or seizures

> Increased pressure in the brain

> Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion

> Headache

> Behavior changes

> Sleeplessness

> Hiccups

> Mood swings

> Depression

> Psychotic manifestations

> Clumsiness

> Exaggerated sense of well being

> Circulatory system problems:

> Heart failure

> High blood pressure

> Thrombosis (clot formation)

> Skin changes:

> Impaired wound healing

> Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin

> Changes in pigmentation of skin

> Acne

> Excessive body hair growth

> Rash or hives

> Easy or spontaneous bruising

> Facial flushing

> Loss of or abnormal skin sensations

> Increased sweating (very common)

> Other changes or problems:

> Salt and water retention

> Potassium loss

> General body discomfort

> Abnormally low calcium

> Muscle weakness

> Loss of muscle mass

> Bone density loss

> Bone fractures

> Menstrual irregularities (women)

> Growth suppression (children)

> Decreased carbohydrate tolerance

> Increased blood sugar levels

> Cataracts

> Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure

> Bulging eyes

> Aggravation or masking of an infection

> Rare instances of blindness

> Tendon rupture

> Suppressed reaction to skin tests

> Kaposi's sarcoma

> Hip or shoulder bone degradation

> Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness

> Muscle twitching

> Exaggerated rapid eye movement

>

>

> >

> >Hi Gracia,

> >What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it

just

> >make you feel better?

> >thanks

> >Bev

> >

> >Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

> >

> >I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was

high

> >normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab

showed

> >ALL

> >adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result.

Doc

> >was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!!

Very

> >frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com

in

> >the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for

myself,

> >finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I

said I

> >am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great,

and he

> >was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good

> >effects right away, certainly within a week.

> >Gracia

> >

> > > Hi Gracia!

> > >

> > > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting

today

> > > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of

the

> > > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much

is

> > > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ?

> > >

> > > BR

> > >

> > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal

> >glands.

> > > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe

Uses

> >of

> > > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD.

> > > > Gracia

> > > >

> > > >> Hi !

> > > >>

> > > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the

meds

> >for

> > > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to

steroid

> > > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra

> > > >> ordinary

> > > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time.

> > > >>

> > > >> Please clarifiy me.

> > > >>

> > > >> B.R.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Hi Gail - as far as I understand it the cycle with cortisol is that it

goes up very dramatically before it bottoms out in extreme adrenal

fatigue - I think we have all been at many points on that continuum at

different times - some with worse symptoms than others - this is just my

opinion based on some reading I have done from Dr lee and others.

I would say the wisdom tooth is the factor here - your gum might have

been infected and the stress your body is going through to fight it or

keep it under control could be what is causing your problems. If you

resonate with this you might want to load up on vitamin C and some

antioxidants and immune support to help your system deal with the

shock. IMO I had severe after effects when I had my last lot of amalgams

removed and at the same time I had my front teeth re-capped - too much

stress for my exhausted adrenals but I just didn't know it at the time.

Kerry

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Hi

I dont think Ive been overdoing it, I started to go downhill around the

beg. April, then I had a wisdom tooth + some bone removed at the end of

April,pain pain pain. Since then I just seemed to have ground to a halt.

You mention having an addisons crisis, Im confused (doesnt take much)

could all my symtoms be caused by lack of cortisol and well as too much

Thanks

Gail

Re: Re: adrenal support

If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my

cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't

seem to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if

anybody is interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it.

Bev

LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote:

If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only

adrenal

fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces

inflamation.

Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your

body

basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body

and the

metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will

help

greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too

much

steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you

withdrawel too

quickly... hope this helps.

Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids

Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of

patients

have no, or only minor, side effects.

Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs:

Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC):

Appearance of " moonface "

Enlargement of some fat pad areas

The appearance of fat in the midsection

Abnormal fat deposits

General obesity

Muscle wasting and weakness

High blood pressure

Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes)

Osteoporosis

Thinning of skin

Easy or spontaneous bruising

Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause:

Nausea

Fatigue

Loss of appetite

Difficulty breathing

Lowered blood pressure

Joint and muscle aches

Fever

Dizziness

Fainting

General body discomfort

Digestive tract problems:

Nausea

Vomiting

Increased appetite

Weight gain

Indigestion or heartburn

Bloating

Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland)

Peptic ulcer

Stomach pain

Rectal bleeding

Local pain or burning with enemas

CNS (central nervous system) problems:

Convulsions or seizures

Increased pressure in the brain

Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion

Headache

Behavior changes

Sleeplessness

Hiccups

Mood swings

Depression

Psychotic manifestations

Clumsiness

Exaggerated sense of well being

Circulatory system problems:

Heart failure

High blood pressure

Thrombosis (clot formation)

Skin changes:

Impaired wound healing

Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin

Changes in pigmentation of skin

Acne

Excessive body hair growth

Rash or hives

Easy or spontaneous bruising

Facial flushing

Loss of or abnormal skin sensations

Increased sweating (very common)

Other changes or problems:

Salt and water retention

Potassium loss

General body discomfort

Abnormally low calcium

Muscle weakness

Loss of muscle mass

Bone density loss

Bone fractures

Menstrual irregularities (women)

Growth suppression (children)

Decreased carbohydrate tolerance

Increased blood sugar levels

Cataracts

Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure

Bulging eyes

Aggravation or masking of an infection

Rare instances of blindness

Tendon rupture

Suppressed reaction to skin tests

Kaposi's sarcoma

Hip or shoulder bone degradation

Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness

Muscle twitching

Exaggerated rapid eye movement

>

>Hi Gracia,

>What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it

just

>make you feel better?

>thanks

>Bev

>

>Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

>I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva

was high

>normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab

showed

>ALL

>adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different

result.

Doc

>was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!!

Very

>frustrating, so I ordered cortef from

http://www.mastersmarketing.com

in

>the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for

myself,

>finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc

I

said I

>am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works

great,

and he

>was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed

good

>effects right away, certainly within a week.

>Gracia

>

> > Hi Gracia!

> >

> > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your

posting

today

> > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef

inspite

of the

> > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how

much is

> > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ?

> >

> > BR

> >

> > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the

adrenal

>glands.

> > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See

Safe

Uses

>of

> > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD.

> > > Gracia

> > >

> > >> Hi !

> > >>

> > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and

the

meds

>for

> > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to

steroid

> > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give

extra

> > >> ordinary

> > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time.

> > >>

> > >> Please clarifiy me.

> > >>

> > >> B.R.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Hi

Yes the salivery test kit is from NPtech. Im going to do it tomorrow.

My husband is just downloading a photography taken this morning, hopefully I

could post to the site for ideas. Do you know if this is acceptable

I just dont look like me at all, can hardly move my neck so full and stiff.

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Hi

So the fact that I look like someone with cushings, it could be that my cortisol

levels are so high to keep me going, then if I understand they just crash.

Next question what actually happens then

Thanks

Gail

Re: Re: adrenal support

If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my

cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't

seem to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if

anybody is interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it.

Bev

LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote:

If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only

adrenal

fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces

inflamation.

Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your

body

basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body

and the

metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will

help

greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too

much

steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you

withdrawel too

quickly... hope this helps.

Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids

Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of

patients

have no, or only minor, side effects.

Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs:

Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC):

Appearance of " moonface "

Enlargement of some fat pad areas

The appearance of fat in the midsection

Abnormal fat deposits

General obesity

Muscle wasting and weakness

High blood pressure

Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes)

Osteoporosis

Thinning of skin

Easy or spontaneous bruising

Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause:

Nausea

Fatigue

Loss of appetite

Difficulty breathing

Lowered blood pressure

Joint and muscle aches

Fever

Dizziness

Fainting

General body discomfort

Digestive tract problems:

Nausea

Vomiting

Increased appetite

Weight gain

Indigestion or heartburn

Bloating

Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland)

Peptic ulcer

Stomach pain

Rectal bleeding

Local pain or burning with enemas

CNS (central nervous system) problems:

Convulsions or seizures

Increased pressure in the brain

Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion

Headache

Behavior changes

Sleeplessness

Hiccups

Mood swings

Depression

Psychotic manifestations

Clumsiness

Exaggerated sense of well being

Circulatory system problems:

Heart failure

High blood pressure

Thrombosis (clot formation)

Skin changes:

Impaired wound healing

Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin

Changes in pigmentation of skin

Acne

Excessive body hair growth

Rash or hives

Easy or spontaneous bruising

Facial flushing

Loss of or abnormal skin sensations

Increased sweating (very common)

Other changes or problems:

Salt and water retention

Potassium loss

General body discomfort

Abnormally low calcium

Muscle weakness

Loss of muscle mass

Bone density loss

Bone fractures

Menstrual irregularities (women)

Growth suppression (children)

Decreased carbohydrate tolerance

Increased blood sugar levels

Cataracts

Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure

Bulging eyes

Aggravation or masking of an infection

Rare instances of blindness

Tendon rupture

Suppressed reaction to skin tests

Kaposi's sarcoma

Hip or shoulder bone degradation

Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness

Muscle twitching

Exaggerated rapid eye movement

>

>Hi Gracia,

>What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it

just

>make you feel better?

>thanks

>Bev

>

>Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

>I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva

was high

>normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab

showed

>ALL

>adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different

result.

Doc

>was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!!

Very

>frustrating, so I ordered cortef from

http://www.mastersmarketing.com

in

>the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for

myself,

>finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc

I

said I

>am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works

great,

and he

>was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed

good

>effects right away, certainly within a week.

>Gracia

>

> > Hi Gracia!

> >

> > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your

posting

today

> > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef

inspite

of the

> > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how

much is

> > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ?

> >

> > BR

> >

> > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the

adrenal

>glands.

> > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See

Safe

Uses

>of

> > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD.

> > > Gracia

> > >

> > >> Hi !

> > >>

> > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and

the

meds

>for

> > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to

steroid

> > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give

extra

> > >> ordinary

> > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time.

> > >>

> > >> Please clarifiy me.

> > >>

> > >> B.R.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Hi

Im doing an adrenal profile salivary test tomorrow. Im also going to speak to a

well known Dr. who is on our side, on Tuesday evening,

the Endo consultant in my area is Prof. Weatman, and Ive had dealings with him,

all to which came to nothing.

I live in Sheffield and am 49 yrs. old. I actually started being ill in 1988,

but for years dr.s said I was depressed, Yes OK. and have tried all sorts, I

really thought that feeling well for quite a while now, that I have cracked it.

I had a hysterectomy in 1988 and spent some time with the Dr.s giving me HRT

nothing worked only. In the end I took all the empty and half emtpy packets to

the consultant and told him, if he thought these products were so good then it

might be best if he took them himself, (I had a good relationship with him, so

we were still friends after)

Ive included a photo taken this morning and I look nothing like I did only 2

weeks ago, and it gets worse daily. Someone on another site has said that at one

time she was displaying both Cushing and symtoms. I waiting for a reply

as to the ins and outs of this and how she managed it.

Thanks for your reply

Bye for now

Gail

Re: Re: adrenal support

>

>

> If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my

cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't seem

to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if anybody is

interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it.

> Bev

>

> LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote:

> If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only

adrenal

> fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation.

> Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your

body

> basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body and

the

> metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help

> greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much

> steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you withdrawel

too

> quickly... hope this helps.

>

> Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids

>

> Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of patients

> have no, or only minor, side effects.

> Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs:

>

> Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC):

> Appearance of " moonface "

> Enlargement of some fat pad areas

> The appearance of fat in the midsection

> Abnormal fat deposits

> General obesity

> Muscle wasting and weakness

> High blood pressure

> Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes)

> Osteoporosis

> Thinning of skin

> Easy or spontaneous bruising

>

> Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause:

> Nausea

> Fatigue

> Loss of appetite

> Difficulty breathing

> Lowered blood pressure

> Joint and muscle aches

> Fever

> Dizziness

> Fainting

> General body discomfort

> Digestive tract problems:

> Nausea

> Vomiting

> Increased appetite

> Weight gain

> Indigestion or heartburn

> Bloating

> Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland)

> Peptic ulcer

> Stomach pain

> Rectal bleeding

> Local pain or burning with enemas

> CNS (central nervous system) problems:

> Convulsions or seizures

> Increased pressure in the brain

> Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion

> Headache

> Behavior changes

> Sleeplessness

> Hiccups

> Mood swings

> Depression

> Psychotic manifestations

> Clumsiness

> Exaggerated sense of well being

> Circulatory system problems:

> Heart failure

> High blood pressure

> Thrombosis (clot formation)

> Skin changes:

> Impaired wound healing

> Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin

> Changes in pigmentation of skin

> Acne

> Excessive body hair growth

> Rash or hives

> Easy or spontaneous bruising

> Facial flushing

> Loss of or abnormal skin sensations

> Increased sweating (very common)

> Other changes or problems:

> Salt and water retention

> Potassium loss

> General body discomfort

> Abnormally low calcium

> Muscle weakness

> Loss of muscle mass

> Bone density loss

> Bone fractures

> Menstrual irregularities (women)

> Growth suppression (children)

> Decreased carbohydrate tolerance

> Increased blood sugar levels

> Cataracts

> Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure

> Bulging eyes

> Aggravation or masking of an infection

> Rare instances of blindness

> Tendon rupture

> Suppressed reaction to skin tests

> Kaposi's sarcoma

> Hip or shoulder bone degradation

> Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness

> Muscle twitching

> Exaggerated rapid eye movement

>

>

> >

> >Hi Gracia,

> >What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it

just

> >make you feel better?

> >thanks

> >Bev

> >

> >Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

> >

> >I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was

high

> >normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab

showed

> >ALL

> >adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result.

Doc

> >was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!!

Very

> >frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com

in

> >the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for

myself,

> >finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I

said I

> >am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great,

and he

> >was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good

> >effects right away, certainly within a week.

> >Gracia

> >

> > > Hi Gracia!

> > >

> > > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting

today

> > > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of

the

> > > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much

is

> > > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ?

> > >

> > > BR

> > >

> > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal

> >glands.

> > > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe

Uses

> >of

> > > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD.

> > > > Gracia

> > > >

> > > >> Hi !

> > > >>

> > > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the

meds

> >for

> > > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to

steroid

> > > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra

> > > >> ordinary

> > > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time.

> > > >>

> > > >> Please clarifiy me.

> > > >>

> > > >> B.R.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Of course your adrenals are severely stressed after a hysterectomy and no

hormones. There are hormones that work. Are you in the UK? You will

need a very good doc.

Gracia

>

> Hi

> Im doing an adrenal profile salivary test tomorrow. Im also going to speak

to a well known Dr. who is on our side, on Tuesday evening,

> the Endo consultant in my area is Prof. Weatman, and Ive had dealings with

him, all to which came to nothing.

>

> I live in Sheffield and am 49 yrs. old. I actually started being ill in

1988, but for years dr.s said I was depressed, Yes OK. and have tried all

sorts, I really thought that feeling well for quite a while now, that I have

cracked it. I had a hysterectomy in 1988 and spent some time with the Dr.s

giving me HRT nothing worked only. In the end I took all the empty and half

emtpy packets to the consultant and told him, if he thought these products

were so good then it might be best if he took them himself, (I had a good

relationship with him, so we were still friends after)

>

> Ive included a photo taken this morning and I look nothing like I did only

2 weeks ago, and it gets worse daily. Someone on another site has said that

at one time she was displaying both Cushing and symtoms. I waiting

for a reply as to the ins and outs of this and how she managed it.

>

> Thanks for your reply

> Bye for now

> Gail

>

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Forgot to include photo

Gail's husband Daz

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>

>

> If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my

cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't seem

to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if anybody is

interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it.

> Bev

>

> LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote:

> If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only

adrenal

> fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation.

> Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your

body

> basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body and

the

> metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help

> greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much

> steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you withdrawel

too

> quickly... hope this helps.

>

> Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids

>

> Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of patients

> have no, or only minor, side effects.

> Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs:

>

> Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC):

> Appearance of " moonface "

> Enlargement of some fat pad areas

> The appearance of fat in the midsection

> Abnormal fat deposits

> General obesity

> Muscle wasting and weakness

> High blood pressure

> Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes)

> Osteoporosis

> Thinning of skin

> Easy or spontaneous bruising

>

> Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause:

> Nausea

> Fatigue

> Loss of appetite

> Difficulty breathing

> Lowered blood pressure

> Joint and muscle aches

> Fever

> Dizziness

> Fainting

> General body discomfort

> Digestive tract problems:

> Nausea

> Vomiting

> Increased appetite

> Weight gain

> Indigestion or heartburn

> Bloating

> Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland)

> Peptic ulcer

> Stomach pain

> Rectal bleeding

> Local pain or burning with enemas

> CNS (central nervous system) problems:

> Convulsions or seizures

> Increased pressure in the brain

> Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion

> Headache

> Behavior changes

> Sleeplessness

> Hiccups

> Mood swings

> Depression

> Psychotic manifestations

> Clumsiness

> Exaggerated sense of well being

> Circulatory system problems:

> Heart failure

> High blood pressure

> Thrombosis (clot formation)

> Skin changes:

> Impaired wound healing

> Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin

> Changes in pigmentation of skin

> Acne

> Excessive body hair growth

> Rash or hives

> Easy or spontaneous bruising

> Facial flushing

> Loss of or abnormal skin sensations

> Increased sweating (very common)

> Other changes or problems:

> Salt and water retention

> Potassium loss

> General body discomfort

> Abnormally low calcium

> Muscle weakness

> Loss of muscle mass

> Bone density loss

> Bone fractures

> Menstrual irregularities (women)

> Growth suppression (children)

> Decreased carbohydrate tolerance

> Increased blood sugar levels

> Cataracts

> Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure

> Bulging eyes

> Aggravation or masking of an infection

> Rare instances of blindness

> Tendon rupture

> Suppressed reaction to skin tests

> Kaposi's sarcoma

> Hip or shoulder bone degradation

> Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness

> Muscle twitching

> Exaggerated rapid eye movement

>

>

> >

> >Hi Gracia,

> >What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it

just

> >make you feel better?

> >thanks

> >Bev

> >

> >Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

> >

> >I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was

high

> >normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab

showed

> >ALL

> >adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result.

Doc

> >was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!!

Very

> >frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com

in

> >the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for

myself,

> >finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I

said I

> >am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great,

and he

> >was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good

> >effects right away, certainly within a week.

> >Gracia

> >

> > > Hi Gracia!

> > >

> > > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting

today

> > > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of

the

> > > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much

is

> > > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ?

> > >

> > > BR

> > >

> > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal

> >glands.

> > > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe

Uses

> >of

> > > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD.

> > > > Gracia

> > > >

> > > >> Hi !

> > > >>

> > > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the

meds

> >for

> > > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to

steroid

> > > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra

> > > >> ordinary

> > > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time.

> > > >>

> > > >> Please clarifiy me.

> > > >>

> > > >> B.R.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Yes my son did get hep c from me. Only five percent of children born to

possitive

mothers get it...usually from contact with the mothers blood during the birth

process.

My cervix had to be snipped in order for him to complete the journey out, and

there

was a fair amount of bleeding. It is possible the doc says that some of the

blood

entered through his tear ducts.

Some children that are exposed are able to clear the virus on their own in

the first

two years...no such luck with my guy.

He has always been behind on the growth charts...and is already having some

metabolic issues....he goes for check ups every three to six months.

We have opted NOT to treat at this point....the side effects of the meds just

seem too dangerous for us. Hopefully research will catch up to him before

we have to do anything else.

(im not holding my breath!)

We pay close attention to his diet now...and thats about all we can do.

He has had more infections this year though...and that worries me.

I know his immune system is always busy...and that's gonna wear him

down.

It certainly did me!

I know because it is a " slow " killer...no one is looking too hard at it.

And unfortunately, it is a relatively new disease, and there is very

little published information thus far.

I started keeping very detailed journals a few years ago when all of

my troubles really became apparent.

Hopefully they will be valuable someday to him....so he can at least know

what to expect, and what I did that made it better.

I hear over and over from people that know about us, " awww don't worry,

people

with that live forever, its no big deal "

Well, they might live...but they don't live WELL. And thats the part that

makes

me angry. If you think about where the virus lives, it can't help but affect

every

system in your body to some degree.

I'm sure that my thyroid and adrenal issues are directly related.

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No, I did not need a prescription to order it.

I imagine you could get it that way though, if it would make you feel

better about the source.

I often wonder about the quality of stuff I order from internet pharmacies.

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Hi Gail - I know that you will need at least natural progesterone after

a hysterectome - and if you have had your ovaries removed probably the

other hormones as well. HRT will only make you feel more ill. I had a

partial hysterectomy at age 42 and relapsed badly afterwards - I didn't

know what to do back then.

kerry

Re: Re: adrenal support

Hi

Im doing an adrenal profile salivary test tomorrow. Im also going to

speak to a well known Dr. who is on our side, on Tuesday evening,

the Endo consultant in my area is Prof. Weatman, and Ive had dealings

with him, all to which came to nothing.

I live in Sheffield and am 49 yrs. old. I actually started being ill in

1988, but for years dr.s said I was depressed, Yes OK. and have tried

all sorts, I really thought that feeling well for quite a while now,

that I have cracked it. I had a hysterectomy in 1988 and spent some time

with the Dr.s giving me HRT nothing worked only. In the end I took all

the empty and half emtpy packets to the consultant and told him, if he

thought these products were so good then it might be best if he took

them himself, (I had a good relationship with him, so we were still

friends after)

Ive included a photo taken this morning and I look nothing like I did

only 2 weeks ago, and it gets worse daily. Someone on another site has

said that at one time she was displaying both Cushing and

symtoms. I waiting for a reply as to the ins and outs of this and how

she managed it.

Thanks for your reply

Bye for now

Gail

Re: Re: adrenal support

>

>

> If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my

cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't

seem

to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if anybody

is

interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it.

> Bev

>

> LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote:

> If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only

adrenal

> fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces

inflamation.

> Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving

your

body

> basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the

body and

the

> metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will

help

> greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too

much

> steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you

withdrawel

too

> quickly... hope this helps.

>

> Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids

>

> Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of

patients

> have no, or only minor, side effects.

> Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs:

>

> Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC):

> Appearance of " moonface "

> Enlargement of some fat pad areas

> The appearance of fat in the midsection

> Abnormal fat deposits

> General obesity

> Muscle wasting and weakness

> High blood pressure

> Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes)

> Osteoporosis

> Thinning of skin

> Easy or spontaneous bruising

>

> Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause:

> Nausea

> Fatigue

> Loss of appetite

> Difficulty breathing

> Lowered blood pressure

> Joint and muscle aches

> Fever

> Dizziness

> Fainting

> General body discomfort

> Digestive tract problems:

> Nausea

> Vomiting

> Increased appetite

> Weight gain

> Indigestion or heartburn

> Bloating

> Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland)

> Peptic ulcer

> Stomach pain

> Rectal bleeding

> Local pain or burning with enemas

> CNS (central nervous system) problems:

> Convulsions or seizures

> Increased pressure in the brain

> Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion

> Headache

> Behavior changes

> Sleeplessness

> Hiccups

> Mood swings

> Depression

> Psychotic manifestations

> Clumsiness

> Exaggerated sense of well being

> Circulatory system problems:

> Heart failure

> High blood pressure

> Thrombosis (clot formation)

> Skin changes:

> Impaired wound healing

> Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin

> Changes in pigmentation of skin

> Acne

> Excessive body hair growth

> Rash or hives

> Easy or spontaneous bruising

> Facial flushing

> Loss of or abnormal skin sensations

> Increased sweating (very common)

> Other changes or problems:

> Salt and water retention

> Potassium loss

> General body discomfort

> Abnormally low calcium

> Muscle weakness

> Loss of muscle mass

> Bone density loss

> Bone fractures

> Menstrual irregularities (women)

> Growth suppression (children)

> Decreased carbohydrate tolerance

> Increased blood sugar levels

> Cataracts

> Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure

> Bulging eyes

> Aggravation or masking of an infection

> Rare instances of blindness

> Tendon rupture

> Suppressed reaction to skin tests

> Kaposi's sarcoma

> Hip or shoulder bone degradation

> Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness

> Muscle twitching

> Exaggerated rapid eye movement

>

>

> >

> >Hi Gracia,

> >What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did

it

just

> >make you feel better?

> >thanks

> >Bev

> >

> >Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

> >

> >I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal.

Saliva was

high

> >normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab

showed

> >ALL

> >adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different

result.

Doc

> >was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!!

Very

> >frustrating, so I ordered cortef from

http://www.mastersmarketing.com

in

> >the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing

for

myself,

> >finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the

doc I

said I

> >am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works

great,

and he

> >was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I

noticed good

> >effects right away, certainly within a week.

> >Gracia

> >

> > > Hi Gracia!

> > >

> > > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your

posting

today

> > > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef

inspite of

the

> > > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how

much

is

> > > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became

" energetic " ?

> > >

> > > BR

> > >

> > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the

adrenal

> >glands.

> > > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See

Safe

Uses

> >of

> > > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD.

> > > > Gracia

> > > >

> > > >> Hi !

> > > >>

> > > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and

the

meds

> >for

> > > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs

to

steroid

> > > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give

extra

> > > >> ordinary

> > > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time.

> > > >>

> > > >> Please clarifiy me.

> > > >>

> > > >> B.R.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Hi Bev

Not sure where its gone, I'll get Daz to check and post to you in the morning.

Gail

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I'm so sorry to hear of yours and your son health problem.. I know you have said

before, but how old is he now? I hope so much for you both.

take care

Bev

Aprilcupcake@... wrote:

Yes my son did get hep c from me. Only five percent of children born to

possitive

mothers get it...usually from contact with the mothers blood during the birth

process.

My cervix had to be snipped in order for him to complete the journey out, and

there

was a fair amount of bleeding. It is possible the doc says that some of the

blood

entered through his tear ducts.

Some children that are exposed are able to clear the virus on their own in

the first

two years...no such luck with my guy.

He has always been behind on the growth charts...and is already having some

metabolic issues....he goes for check ups every three to six months.

We have opted NOT to treat at this point....the side effects of the meds just

seem too dangerous for us. Hopefully research will catch up to him before

we have to do anything else.

(im not holding my breath!)

We pay close attention to his diet now...and thats about all we can do.

He has had more infections this year though...and that worries me.

I know his immune system is always busy...and that's gonna wear him

down.

It certainly did me!

I know because it is a " slow " killer...no one is looking too hard at it.

And unfortunately, it is a relatively new disease, and there is very

little published information thus far.

I started keeping very detailed journals a few years ago when all of

my troubles really became apparent.

Hopefully they will be valuable someday to him....so he can at least know

what to expect, and what I did that made it better.

I hear over and over from people that know about us, " awww don't worry,

people

with that live forever, its no big deal "

Well, they might live...but they don't live WELL. And thats the part that

makes

me angry. If you think about where the virus lives, it can't help but affect

every

system in your body to some degree.

I'm sure that my thyroid and adrenal issues are directly related.

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Hi Bev

Just been told doesnt accept photos, so that ideas out the window

Bye

Daz & Gail

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Hi Bev

Just been told doesnt accept photos, so that ideas out the window

Bye

Daz & Gail

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Now I don't speak from experience but two groups I

follow up on " microelectricy " and " coconut oil open

forum " have people writing in with success stories

using either methods. I recall reading one recently in

the coconut oil open forum. Both of these groups are

. Best of luck with it.

And YES, I'm a huge fan of coconut. :)

--- Aprilcupcake@... wrote:

> Yes my son did get hep c from me. Only five percent

> of children born to

> possitive

> mothers get it...usually from contact with the

> mothers blood during the birth

> process.

>

> My cervix had to be snipped in order for him to

> complete the journey out, and

> there

> was a fair amount of bleeding. It is possible the

> doc says that some of the

> blood

> entered through his tear ducts.

>

> Some children that are exposed are able to clear the

> virus on their own in

> the first

> two years...no such luck with my guy.

>

> He has always been behind on the growth charts...and

> is already having some

> metabolic issues....he goes for check ups every

> three to six months.

> We have opted NOT to treat at this point....the side

> effects of the meds just

> seem too dangerous for us. Hopefully research will

> catch up to him before

> we have to do anything else.

> (im not holding my breath!)

> We pay close attention to his diet now...and thats

> about all we can do.

> He has had more infections this year though...and

> that worries me.

> I know his immune system is always busy...and that's

> gonna wear him

> down.

> It certainly did me!

>

> I know because it is a " slow " killer...no one is

> looking too hard at it.

> And unfortunately, it is a relatively new disease,

> and there is very

> little published information thus far.

> I started keeping very detailed journals a few years

> ago when all of

> my troubles really became apparent.

> Hopefully they will be valuable someday to him....so

> he can at least know

> what to expect, and what I did that made it better.

>

> I hear over and over from people that know about us,

> " awww don't worry,

> people

> with that live forever, its no big deal "

> Well, they might live...but they don't live WELL.

> And thats the part that

> makes

> me angry. If you think about where the virus lives,

> it can't help but affect

> every

> system in your body to some degree.

> I'm sure that my thyroid and adrenal issues are

> directly related.

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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,

Phsycological dosing is anything under 30mg is what both my doctor and the

endo I saw for a second opinion said. Not sure if someone else has heard

different.

LaCretia

>

>What would be typical replacement and therapeutic dosing?

>

>Thanks,

>

>

> >Message: 6

> > Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 20:14:19 -0400

> > From: " Every " <denisee@...>

> >Subject: Re: Re: adrenal support

> >

> >The things you are talking about regarding Cortef are more in keeping

>with

> >long-term therapeutic dosing. Yes, it is true that high doses of

>steroids

> >over a long term do cause a lot of problems.

> >

> >But there is a world of difference between replacement dosage and

> >therapeutic dosage. This is comparing apples and oranges.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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Sorry ... it wasn't meant to be taken literally... I meant the feeling

it gives you... it makes my blood pressure higher, helps fight stress, pulse

is higher etc. Yes I did spell it wrong... you are gonna have

that....LOL.... brain fog probably. Thanks for the link... (I ran my post

through a spell checker for you this time...LOL)

LaCretia

>

><<You are giving your body basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...>>

>

>This is incorrect and completely wrong information.

>

>You are NOT giving your body " adrenalyn " (which is correctly spelled as

> " adrenaline " ). Adrenaline and cortisol are two completely different

>hormones. They are used very differently by doctors for entirely different

>therapeutic reasons. Just because they are both made by the adrenal gland

>does not mean they have the same purpose or effects. As an example,

>adrenaline does not have the anti-inflammatory effect that cortisol and

>derivatives have.

>

> This is a link to a web site which has basic information about the

>adrenal

>hormones, it should help clarify the role of these very different hormones.

>

>http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/A/Adrenals.html

>

>

>

> Re: Re: adrenal support

>

>

> > If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only

>adrenal

> > fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation.

> > Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your

>body

> > basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body and

> > the

> > metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help

> > greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much

> > steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you withdrawel

> > too

> > quickly... hope this helps.

> >

> > Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids

> >

> > Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of patients

> > have no, or only minor, side effects.

> > Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs:

> >

> > Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC):

> > Appearance of " moonface "

> > Enlargement of some fat pad areas

> > The appearance of fat in the midsection

> > Abnormal fat deposits

> > General obesity

> > Muscle wasting and weakness

> > High blood pressure

> > Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes)

> > Osteoporosis

> > Thinning of skin

> > Easy or spontaneous bruising

> >

> > Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause:

> > Nausea

> > Fatigue

> > Loss of appetite

> > Difficulty breathing

> > Lowered blood pressure

> > Joint and muscle aches

> > Fever

> > Dizziness

> > Fainting

> > General body discomfort

> > Digestive tract problems:

> > Nausea

> > Vomiting

> > Increased appetite

> > Weight gain

> > Indigestion or heartburn

> > Bloating

> > Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland)

> > Peptic ulcer

> > Stomach pain

> > Rectal bleeding

> > Local pain or burning with enemas

> > CNS (central nervous system) problems:

> > Convulsions or seizures

> > Increased pressure in the brain

> > Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion

> > Headache

> > Behavior changes

> > Sleeplessness

> > Hiccups

> > Mood swings

> > Depression

> > Psychotic manifestations

> > Clumsiness

> > Exaggerated sense of well being

> > Circulatory system problems:

> > Heart failure

> > High blood pressure

> > Thrombosis (clot formation)

> > Skin changes:

> > Impaired wound healing

> > Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin

> > Changes in pigmentation of skin

> > Acne

> > Excessive body hair growth

> > Rash or hives

> > Easy or spontaneous bruising

> > Facial flushing

> > Loss of or abnormal skin sensations

> > Increased sweating (very common)

> > Other changes or problems:

> > Salt and water retention

> > Potassium loss

> > General body discomfort

> > Abnormally low calcium

> > Muscle weakness

> > Loss of muscle mass

> > Bone density loss

> > Bone fractures

> > Menstrual irregularities (women)

> > Growth suppression (children)

> > Decreased carbohydrate tolerance

> > Increased blood sugar levels

> > Cataracts

> > Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure

> > Bulging eyes

> > Aggravation or masking of an infection

> > Rare instances of blindness

> > Tendon rupture

> > Suppressed reaction to skin tests

> > Kaposi's sarcoma

> > Hip or shoulder bone degradation

> > Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness

> > Muscle twitching

> > Exaggerated rapid eye movement

> >

> >

> >>

> >>Hi Gracia,

> >>What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just

> >>make you feel better?

> >>thanks

> >>Bev

> >>

> >>Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

> >>

> >>I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was

> >>high

> >>normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed

> >>ALL

> >>adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result.

> >>Doc

> >>was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very

> >>frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com

>in

> >>the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for

> >>myself,

> >>finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I

>said

> >>I

> >>am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and

> >>he

> >>was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good

> >>effects right away, certainly within a week.

> >>Gracia

> >>

> >> > Hi Gracia!

> >> >

> >> > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting

> >> > today

> >> > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of

> >> > the

> >> > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much

>is

> >> > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ?

> >> >

> >> > BR

> >> >

> >> > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal

> >>glands.

> >> > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe

>Uses

> >>of

> >> > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD.

> >> > > Gracia

> >> > >

> >> > >> Hi !

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the

>meds

> >>for

> >> > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to

>steroid

> >> > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra

> >> > >> ordinary

> >> > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> Please clarifiy me.

> >> > >>

> >> > >> B.R.

> >> > >>

> >> > >>

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

> >> > >

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