Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 I thought I would tell you to be careful at your age if you get on Cortef. It robs the bones of calcium and it is recommended that you have a bone density test at least once a year if you take it. Thought I would pass this along to you. Most taking it take calcium suppliments to help slow it down but most end up with osteo when taking it. I have one lady on another group that is age 39 and broke a hip due this and she reported that she already has osteo and has to walk with a cane. Also, I would recommend anyone taking steroid replacement for the adrenals to read up on 's disease. It will give you a lot of insight to the pro's and con's of using steroid replacement. The con's outway the pro's by far. LaCretia > >Hi Gracia! > >Thanks for your detailed answer.I am 55 years old and suffering from >Hypothyroid for the past 6 motnhs.My main problem is depression,gastric >problem and dizziness after food.My vertigo problem is the main problem >due to which I feel totally depressed.My endo says it is due cerivical >spondylysis. > >Suggest me if cartef can overcome all my deficiencies at the age of >55.What should be my dose.Have I to consult any doc for this purpose.What >are the tests you suggest me to take. > >Give me feed back. > >BR > > > I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was > > high > > normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed > > ALL > > adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result. > > Doc > > was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very > > frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com >in > > the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for > > myself, > > finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I >said > > I > > am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and > > he > > was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good > > effects right away, certainly within a week. > > Gracia > > > >> Hi Gracia! > >> > >> Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting >today > >> that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of >the > >> fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is > >> your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > >> > >> BR > >> > >> > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal > > glands. > >> > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses > >> of > >> > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > >> > Gracia > >> > > >> >> Hi ! > >> >> > >> >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds > >> for > >> >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid > >> >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > >> >> ordinary > >> >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > >> >> > >> >> Please clarifiy me. > >> >> > >> >> B.R. > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 terrible misinformation Gracia > Anyone that takes steroid (Cortef) will feel better. Steroids mask > everything...just keep this in mind. If you have anything else wrong with > you...it will mask it. If you take this it's like taking adrenalyn for the > body...of course more energy will show up! > > LaCretia > > > > >Hi Gracia! > > > >Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting today > >that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of the > >fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is > >your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > > > >BR > > > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal > >glands. > > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses of > > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > > > Gracia > > > > > >> Hi ! > > >> > > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds for > > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid > > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > > >> ordinary > > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > > >> > > >> Please clarifiy me. > > >> > > >> B.R. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Gracia... Please provide me with your explanation why this is wrong. It's easy to type...but what do you have to support what you are saying? LaCretia > >terrible misinformation >Gracia > > > Anyone that takes steroid (Cortef) will feel better. Steroids mask > > everything...just keep this in mind. If you have anything else wrong >with > > you...it will mask it. If you take this it's like taking adrenalyn for >the > > body...of course more energy will show up! > > > > LaCretia > > > > > > > >Hi Gracia! > > > > > >Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting >today > > >that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of >the > > >fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is > > >your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > > > > > >BR > > > > > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal > > >glands. > > > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses >of > > > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > > > > Gracia > > > > > > > >> Hi ! > > > >> > > > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds >for > > > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to >steroid > > > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > > > >> ordinary > > > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > > > >> > > > >> Please clarifiy me. > > > >> > > > >> B.R. > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 BR, just a thought..... Armour is made from cattle, it is bovine thyroid gland... if that makes a difference as far as one's religious beliefs are concerned. I think Nature-Throid is also made from cow's thyroid. I'm not sure if there are any sources of natural thyroid replacement that aren't. Re: adrenal support > Gracia! > > It is encouraging to see that you have used ayur vedic medicines.I will > be consulting one ayurvedic doctor on thursday for both spondylis and > hypo. > > Did you get relief for your hypo thyroid thro' ayurvedic medicine?were > taking the ayurvedic medicine along with allopathy? > > I will be doing T3,T4 & TSH testing of my own thro' a lab and get result > very shortly. > > BR > >> I have used ayurvedic medicine and found it to be very useful. I am a >> big >> fan of iodine and also read about Ayurvedic therapies from Dr. Deepak >> Chopra, I adore him. Yes I am sure you could increase dose without >> testing. >> I think the dose you are on is quite low. Ask your doc to do a FREE T3 >> test >> but maybe he won't know about that. >> Gracia >> >>> Gracia! >>> >>> You are right!Indian doctors don't prescribe meds other than T4.We have >>> never heard of Armour.I have not tried iodine thro'allopathy >>> medicines.Here we have got alternate medinices like >>> Homoeopathy,naturopathy,Ayurvedic.I know the medicines even.Only think >>> is >>> I have not tried them. >>> >>> Naturopathy medicine is Black thulasi(Indian >>> herb!)homoeopathy:Iodum.Siddha(Indian medicine): paaval! >>> >>> The only solution for me is to increase from 50 mgs to 75 mgs at >>> present.My last month TSH was 2.7 as you know.Please advise me whether >>> to >>> take 75 mgs right now without any more testing. >>> >>> What will happen if my TSH is already low(below 2.0) and I take 75 mgs >>> of >>> T4.Any negative effect? >>> >>> Answer me now. >>> >>> BR. >>> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 From what i have read in many places there is a vast difference between taking physiologic doses of cortef and high doses of same or of a synthetic steroid. So its really important to not lump " steroids " together in one basket. That would be like equating bio-identical hormone replacement with Premarin - just plain wrong! I know the experts disagree but at least some of them use low dose cortef for adrenal burnout treatment - apparently with great success -as per Gracia's experience. I have taken 20mg Cortef for nine months and I would not agree that it masks anything - still had aches and pains and exhaustion. I didn't feel much improvement on it - but for all I know it supported my adrenals and helped me to heal quicker. So having used it I would not say it is a sure thing not would I say it is dangerous - used correctly of course. For Shana - I agree with others - 20mg x 4 is a huge dose long term - not sure what your doc was thinking - but the fact that you're not even noticing any difference suggests to me you must be low on cortisol. Kerry Re: Re: adrenal support Anyone that takes steroid (Cortef) will feel better. Steroids mask everything...just keep this in mind. If you have anything else wrong with you...it will mask it. If you take this it's like taking adrenalyn for the body...of course more energy will show up! LaCretia > >Hi Gracia! > >Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting today >that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of the >fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is >your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > >BR > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal >glands. > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses of > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > > Gracia > > > >> Hi ! > >> > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds for > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > >> ordinary > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > >> > >> Please clarifiy me. > >> > >> B.R. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Hi Gracia, What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just make you feel better? thanks Bev Gracia <circe@...> wrote: I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was high normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed ALL adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result. Doc was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com in the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for myself, finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I said I am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and he was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good effects right away, certainly within a week. Gracia > Hi Gracia! > > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting today > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of the > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > > BR > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal glands. > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses of > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > > Gracia > > > >> Hi ! > >> > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds for > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > >> ordinary > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > >> > >> Please clarifiy me. > >> > >> B.R. > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 The things you are talking about regarding Cortef are more in keeping with long-term therapeutic dosing. Yes, it is true that high doses of steroids over a long term do cause a lot of problems. But there is a world of difference between replacement dosage and therapeutic dosage. This is comparing apples and oranges. In replacement dosing, you are supplying the hormonal supplement that your body is not producing, just like you are when you are taking thyroid hormone supplement because you have hypothyroidism. If your thyroid was functioning normally and you started taking thyroid hormones, of course you would have problems. It is the same situation with adrenal fatigue, hypoadrenalism - your adrenals are not producing enough cortisol and so the Cortef serves as a replacement for that.. to bring the body up to normal levels. In therapeutic dosing, very large amounts of steriods are prescribed in an effort to effect a cure, or heal an illness - for example, a person with asthma having a severe asthmatic attack will be given large doses (for example, 60 mg) to help reduce the inflammation that is part of the syndrome - and will keep them on high doses for long periods of times, gradually weaning them down when they can... and sometimes they cannot, sometimes people have to stay on them permanently, and that causes all sorts of problems. For some people with severe inflammatory disease, like rheumatoid arthritis, they are in a Catch-22 situation, the high doses of steroids help bring relief of their symptoms, but also lead to problems such as avascular necrosis of the hips, which is where the blood supply to the hip is compromised, and the top part of the femur, the 'ball' in the socket, dies off and causes severe pain. This is by far not the situation when cortisol is used as a replacement dose. RE: Re: adrenal support >I thought I would tell you to be careful at your age if you get on Cortef. > It robs the bones of calcium and it is recommended that you have a bone > density test at least once a year if you take it. Thought I would pass > this > along to you. Most taking it take calcium suppliments to help slow it > down > but most end up with osteo when taking it. I have one lady on another > group > that is age 39 and broke a hip due this and she reported that she already > has osteo and has to walk with a cane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 Steroids don't 'mask everything' - and they have nothing to do with adrenaline, those are two entirely different types of hormones... cortisol and adrenaline have in common the fact that they are made by the adrenals, but they are NOT at all like taking adrenaline. If you're not sick, if you're not suffering from an inflammatory disorder, if you're not suffering from hypoadrenalism, steroids aren't going to make you feel fanatastic... they're not really going to make you feel any different at all, unless you are doing something like the illegal anabolic steroids that athletes have used... and those are also entirely unrelated to cortisol or prednisone type of steroids. Medications like cortisol and prednisone make people feel better because of their profound anti-inflammatory effects... inflammatory disorders by their very nature (increased circulating cytokines, etc.) make people feel unwell... so reducing the inflammatory response makes them feel better. What a lot of people don't know is that there are many types of steroids, and they have different, sometimes very different roles in the body. Just like there are many different types of hormones. Obviously testosterone has a greatly different effect on the body than thyroid hormones... the same is true of steroids. Re: Re: adrenal support > Anyone that takes steroid (Cortef) will feel better. Steroids mask > everything...just keep this in mind. If you have anything else wrong with > you...it will mask it. If you take this it's like taking adrenalyn for > the > body...of course more energy will show up! > > LaCretia > >> >>Hi Gracia! >> >>Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting today >>that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of the >>fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is >>your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? >> >>BR >> >> > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal >>glands. >> > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses of >> > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. >> > Gracia >> > >> >> Hi ! >> >> >> >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds >> >> for >> >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid >> >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra >> >> ordinary >> >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. >> >> >> >> Please clarifiy me. >> >> >> >> B.R. >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 ! There are natural thyroid replacement available thro' naturopathy in India.A natural nerb called Black Thulsi(I don't know the biological name of the same!)Normally,in hindu temples,the panidts will give thulsi water as a sacred water to all the worshippers.It is also a good disinfectant.Hence it will purify the water waterever be its contents! BR BR, just a thought..... Armour is made from cattle, it is bovine thyroid > gland... if that makes a difference as far as one's religious beliefs are > concerned. I think Nature-Throid is also made from cow's thyroid. I'm > not > sure if there are any sources of natural thyroid replacement that aren't. > > > > > Re: adrenal support > > >> Gracia! >> >> It is encouraging to see that you have used ayur vedic medicines.I will >> be consulting one ayurvedic doctor on thursday for both spondylis and >> hypo. >> >> Did you get relief for your hypo thyroid thro' ayurvedic medicine?were >> taking the ayurvedic medicine along with allopathy? >> >> I will be doing T3,T4 & TSH testing of my own thro' a lab and get result >> very shortly. >> >> BR >> >>> I have used ayurvedic medicine and found it to be very useful. I am a >>> big >>> fan of iodine and also read about Ayurvedic therapies from Dr. Deepak >>> Chopra, I adore him. Yes I am sure you could increase dose without >>> testing. >>> I think the dose you are on is quite low. Ask your doc to do a FREE T3 >>> test >>> but maybe he won't know about that. >>> Gracia >>> >>>> Gracia! >>>> >>>> You are right!Indian doctors don't prescribe meds other than T4.We >>>> have >>>> never heard of Armour.I have not tried iodine thro'allopathy >>>> medicines.Here we have got alternate medinices like >>>> Homoeopathy,naturopathy,Ayurvedic.I know the medicines even.Only think >>>> is >>>> I have not tried them. >>>> >>>> Naturopathy medicine is Black thulasi(Indian >>>> herb!)homoeopathy:Iodum.Siddha(Indian medicine): paaval! >>>> >>>> The only solution for me is to increase from 50 mgs to 75 mgs at >>>> present.My last month TSH was 2.7 as you know.Please advise me whether >>>> to >>>> take 75 mgs right now without any more testing. >>>> >>>> What will happen if my TSH is already low(below 2.0) and I take 75 mgs >>>> of >>>> T4.Any negative effect? >>>> >>>> Answer me now. >>>> >>>> BR. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2005 Report Share Posted May 25, 2005 lifelong anxiety, brain fog, exhaustion Gracia > Hi Gracia, > What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just make you feel better? > thanks > Bev > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only adrenal fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation. Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your body basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body and the metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you withdrawel too quickly... hope this helps. Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of patients have no, or only minor, side effects. Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs: Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC): Appearance of " moonface " Enlargement of some fat pad areas The appearance of fat in the midsection Abnormal fat deposits General obesity Muscle wasting and weakness High blood pressure Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes) Osteoporosis Thinning of skin Easy or spontaneous bruising Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause: Nausea Fatigue Loss of appetite Difficulty breathing Lowered blood pressure Joint and muscle aches Fever Dizziness Fainting General body discomfort Digestive tract problems: Nausea Vomiting Increased appetite Weight gain Indigestion or heartburn Bloating Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland) Peptic ulcer Stomach pain Rectal bleeding Local pain or burning with enemas CNS (central nervous system) problems: Convulsions or seizures Increased pressure in the brain Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion Headache Behavior changes Sleeplessness Hiccups Mood swings Depression Psychotic manifestations Clumsiness Exaggerated sense of well being Circulatory system problems: Heart failure High blood pressure Thrombosis (clot formation) Skin changes: Impaired wound healing Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin Changes in pigmentation of skin Acne Excessive body hair growth Rash or hives Easy or spontaneous bruising Facial flushing Loss of or abnormal skin sensations Increased sweating (very common) Other changes or problems: Salt and water retention Potassium loss General body discomfort Abnormally low calcium Muscle weakness Loss of muscle mass Bone density loss Bone fractures Menstrual irregularities (women) Growth suppression (children) Decreased carbohydrate tolerance Increased blood sugar levels Cataracts Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure Bulging eyes Aggravation or masking of an infection Rare instances of blindness Tendon rupture Suppressed reaction to skin tests Kaposi's sarcoma Hip or shoulder bone degradation Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness Muscle twitching Exaggerated rapid eye movement > >Hi Gracia, >What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just >make you feel better? >thanks >Bev > >Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > >I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was high >normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed >ALL >adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result. Doc >was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very >frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com in >the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for myself, >finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I said I >am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and he >was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good >effects right away, certainly within a week. >Gracia > > > Hi Gracia! > > > > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting today > > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of the > > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is > > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > > > > BR > > > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal >glands. > > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses >of > > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > > > Gracia > > > > > >> Hi ! > > >> > > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds >for > > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid > > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > > >> ordinary > > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > > >> > > >> Please clarifiy me. > > >> > > >> B.R. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 , You are correct in what you are saying however, 20mg-30mg is full replacement dose for folks that their adrenals do not work at all. For therapeutic dosage...should the dose not be lower than this? The main reason I responded originally was to one of the posts in which the lady was taking 20mg 4x a day! This is way too much and I was pointing out to her what happens when you take too much. You are correct in that there is a difference between high doses and theraputic doses. Thanks for posting that LaCretia > >The things you are talking about regarding Cortef are more in keeping with >long-term therapeutic dosing. Yes, it is true that high doses of steroids >over a long term do cause a lot of problems. > >But there is a world of difference between replacement dosage and >therapeutic dosage. This is comparing apples and oranges. > >In replacement dosing, you are supplying the hormonal supplement that your >body is not producing, just like you are when you are taking thyroid >hormone >supplement because you have hypothyroidism. If your thyroid was >functioning >normally and you started taking thyroid hormones, of course you would have >problems. It is the same situation with adrenal fatigue, hypoadrenalism - >your adrenals are not producing enough cortisol and so the Cortef serves as >a replacement for that.. to bring the body up to normal levels. > >In therapeutic dosing, very large amounts of steriods are prescribed in an >effort to effect a cure, or heal an illness - for example, a person with >asthma having a severe asthmatic attack will be given large doses (for >example, 60 mg) to help reduce the inflammation that is part of the >syndrome - and will keep them on high doses for long periods of times, >gradually weaning them down when they can... and sometimes they cannot, >sometimes people have to stay on them permanently, and that causes all >sorts >of problems. > >For some people with severe inflammatory disease, like rheumatoid >arthritis, >they are in a Catch-22 situation, the high doses of steroids help bring >relief of their symptoms, but also lead to problems such as avascular >necrosis of the hips, which is where the blood supply to the hip is >compromised, and the top part of the femur, the 'ball' in the socket, dies >off and causes severe pain. > >This is by far not the situation when cortisol is used as a replacement >dose. > > > > RE: Re: adrenal support > > > >I thought I would tell you to be careful at your age if you get on >Cortef. > > It robs the bones of calcium and it is recommended that you have a bone > > density test at least once a year if you take it. Thought I would pass > > this > > along to you. Most taking it take calcium suppliments to help slow it > > down > > but most end up with osteo when taking it. I have one lady on another > > group > > that is age 39 and broke a hip due this and she reported that she >already > > has osteo and has to walk with a cane. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 For me Cortef relieved my vomiting, diahrea, weight lose, and the severe muscle weakness I was having. Hope this helps!... Brain fog still here LaCretia > >lifelong anxiety, brain fog, exhaustion >Gracia > > > Hi Gracia, > > What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just >make you feel better? > > thanks > > Bev > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 BR... To the best of my knowledge, there is no plant product that is identical to thyroid hormones. If there are, I sure would like to know about them, and in great detail! I will look up information on the Black Thulsi, thank you. My understanding is the best any plant could do is provide an adjunctive sort of support, but cannot and do not serve as thyroid replacement hormones. Re: adrenal support >> >> >>> Gracia! >>> >>> It is encouraging to see that you have used ayur vedic medicines.I will >>> be consulting one ayurvedic doctor on thursday for both spondylis and >>> hypo. >>> >>> Did you get relief for your hypo thyroid thro' ayurvedic medicine?were >>> taking the ayurvedic medicine along with allopathy? >>> >>> I will be doing T3,T4 & TSH testing of my own thro' a lab and get result >>> very shortly. >>> >>> BR >>> >>>> I have used ayurvedic medicine and found it to be very useful. I am a >>>> big >>>> fan of iodine and also read about Ayurvedic therapies from Dr. Deepak >>>> Chopra, I adore him. Yes I am sure you could increase dose without >>>> testing. >>>> I think the dose you are on is quite low. Ask your doc to do a FREE T3 >>>> test >>>> but maybe he won't know about that. >>>> Gracia >>>> >>>>> Gracia! >>>>> >>>>> You are right!Indian doctors don't prescribe meds other than T4.We >>>>> have >>>>> never heard of Armour.I have not tried iodine thro'allopathy >>>>> medicines.Here we have got alternate medinices like >>>>> Homoeopathy,naturopathy,Ayurvedic.I know the medicines even.Only think >>>>> is >>>>> I have not tried them. >>>>> >>>>> Naturopathy medicine is Black thulasi(Indian >>>>> herb!)homoeopathy:Iodum.Siddha(Indian medicine): paaval! >>>>> >>>>> The only solution for me is to increase from 50 mgs to 75 mgs at >>>>> present.My last month TSH was 2.7 as you know.Please advise me whether >>>>> to >>>>> take 75 mgs right now without any more testing. >>>>> >>>>> What will happen if my TSH is already low(below 2.0) and I take 75 mgs >>>>> of >>>>> T4.Any negative effect? >>>>> >>>>> Answer me now. >>>>> >>>>> BR. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 <<You are giving your body basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...>> This is incorrect and completely wrong information. You are NOT giving your body " adrenalyn " (which is correctly spelled as " adrenaline " ). Adrenaline and cortisol are two completely different hormones. They are used very differently by doctors for entirely different therapeutic reasons. Just because they are both made by the adrenal gland does not mean they have the same purpose or effects. As an example, adrenaline does not have the anti-inflammatory effect that cortisol and derivatives have. This is a link to a web site which has basic information about the adrenal hormones, it should help clarify the role of these very different hormones. http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/A/Adrenals.html Re: Re: adrenal support > If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only adrenal > fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation. > Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your body > basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body and > the > metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help > greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much > steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you withdrawel > too > quickly... hope this helps. > > Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids > > Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of patients > have no, or only minor, side effects. > Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs: > > Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC): > Appearance of " moonface " > Enlargement of some fat pad areas > The appearance of fat in the midsection > Abnormal fat deposits > General obesity > Muscle wasting and weakness > High blood pressure > Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes) > Osteoporosis > Thinning of skin > Easy or spontaneous bruising > > Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause: > Nausea > Fatigue > Loss of appetite > Difficulty breathing > Lowered blood pressure > Joint and muscle aches > Fever > Dizziness > Fainting > General body discomfort > Digestive tract problems: > Nausea > Vomiting > Increased appetite > Weight gain > Indigestion or heartburn > Bloating > Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland) > Peptic ulcer > Stomach pain > Rectal bleeding > Local pain or burning with enemas > CNS (central nervous system) problems: > Convulsions or seizures > Increased pressure in the brain > Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion > Headache > Behavior changes > Sleeplessness > Hiccups > Mood swings > Depression > Psychotic manifestations > Clumsiness > Exaggerated sense of well being > Circulatory system problems: > Heart failure > High blood pressure > Thrombosis (clot formation) > Skin changes: > Impaired wound healing > Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin > Changes in pigmentation of skin > Acne > Excessive body hair growth > Rash or hives > Easy or spontaneous bruising > Facial flushing > Loss of or abnormal skin sensations > Increased sweating (very common) > Other changes or problems: > Salt and water retention > Potassium loss > General body discomfort > Abnormally low calcium > Muscle weakness > Loss of muscle mass > Bone density loss > Bone fractures > Menstrual irregularities (women) > Growth suppression (children) > Decreased carbohydrate tolerance > Increased blood sugar levels > Cataracts > Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure > Bulging eyes > Aggravation or masking of an infection > Rare instances of blindness > Tendon rupture > Suppressed reaction to skin tests > Kaposi's sarcoma > Hip or shoulder bone degradation > Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness > Muscle twitching > Exaggerated rapid eye movement > > >> >>Hi Gracia, >>What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just >>make you feel better? >>thanks >>Bev >> >>Gracia <circe@...> wrote: >> >>I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was >>high >>normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed >>ALL >>adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result. >>Doc >>was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very >>frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com in >>the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for >>myself, >>finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I said >>I >>am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and >>he >>was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good >>effects right away, certainly within a week. >>Gracia >> >> > Hi Gracia! >> > >> > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting >> > today >> > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of >> > the >> > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is >> > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? >> > >> > BR >> > >> > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal >>glands. >> > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses >>of >> > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. >> > > Gracia >> > > >> > >> Hi ! >> > >> >> > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds >>for >> > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid >> > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra >> > >> ordinary >> > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. >> > >> >> > >> Please clarifiy me. >> > >> >> > >> B.R. >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 LaCretia, A therapeutic dosage is going to be higher than a replacement dosage. The goal of replacement dosage is to achieve a normal level of hormone in the body, to replace what the body is not making or utilizing properly. A therapeutic dosage is a dose given over and above the body's normal levels to effect a treatment response. My mother, for example, has emphysema and right now is battling bronchitis. The doctor put her on a therapeutic dosage schedule of 60 mg a day for several days, and then will be decreasing it by 10 mg a day for a few weeks, until she is tapered to nothing. The reason this is done is because when people are receiving high doses of cortisol/steroids and have normally-functioning adrenal glands, the adrenals will stop producing coritsol in the interim, as the body's feedback mechanism senses there is a lot of cortisone in the system and so tells the adrenals not to make any more. As the level of cortisone (or prednisone, etc.) is decreased gradually, the body's mechanism detects the lower levels and tells the adrenals to start making a little more. Gradually as the therapeutic dosage is reduced, the adrenals increase their production, so when the medication is stopped, the adrenals will be at their normal full production rate. If the medication is stopped abruptly at a high dose, they will end up with inadequate amounts of cortisol in their system because the adrenals basically have been on vacation during this time and they don't kick right back in, it takes them some time to gear up production, and so the person will end up having symptoms of hypo adrenal function...which can even be a crisis situation in some. Keep in mind that all of this pertains to normally functioning adrenal glands - if a person has lost adrenal function and are perpetually hypo adrenal, that is a different situation and they will always need replacement hormone. I will say that 20 mg four times a day sounds very high to me, even for therapeutic dosages.... but there is such a tremendous variation among individuals, from size to metabolism to every other parameter. RE: Re: adrenal support >> >> >> >I thought I would tell you to be careful at your age if you get on >>Cortef. >> > It robs the bones of calcium and it is recommended that you have a bone >> > density test at least once a year if you take it. Thought I would pass >> > this >> > along to you. Most taking it take calcium suppliments to help slow it >> > down >> > but most end up with osteo when taking it. I have one lady on another >> > group >> > that is age 39 and broke a hip due this and she reported that she >>already >> > has osteo and has to walk with a cane. >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't seem to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if anybody is interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it. Bev LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote: If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only adrenal fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation. Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your body basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body and the metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you withdrawel too quickly... hope this helps. Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of patients have no, or only minor, side effects. Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs: Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC): Appearance of " moonface " Enlargement of some fat pad areas The appearance of fat in the midsection Abnormal fat deposits General obesity Muscle wasting and weakness High blood pressure Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes) Osteoporosis Thinning of skin Easy or spontaneous bruising Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause: Nausea Fatigue Loss of appetite Difficulty breathing Lowered blood pressure Joint and muscle aches Fever Dizziness Fainting General body discomfort Digestive tract problems: Nausea Vomiting Increased appetite Weight gain Indigestion or heartburn Bloating Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland) Peptic ulcer Stomach pain Rectal bleeding Local pain or burning with enemas CNS (central nervous system) problems: Convulsions or seizures Increased pressure in the brain Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion Headache Behavior changes Sleeplessness Hiccups Mood swings Depression Psychotic manifestations Clumsiness Exaggerated sense of well being Circulatory system problems: Heart failure High blood pressure Thrombosis (clot formation) Skin changes: Impaired wound healing Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin Changes in pigmentation of skin Acne Excessive body hair growth Rash or hives Easy or spontaneous bruising Facial flushing Loss of or abnormal skin sensations Increased sweating (very common) Other changes or problems: Salt and water retention Potassium loss General body discomfort Abnormally low calcium Muscle weakness Loss of muscle mass Bone density loss Bone fractures Menstrual irregularities (women) Growth suppression (children) Decreased carbohydrate tolerance Increased blood sugar levels Cataracts Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure Bulging eyes Aggravation or masking of an infection Rare instances of blindness Tendon rupture Suppressed reaction to skin tests Kaposi's sarcoma Hip or shoulder bone degradation Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness Muscle twitching Exaggerated rapid eye movement > >Hi Gracia, >What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just >make you feel better? >thanks >Bev > >Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > >I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was high >normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed >ALL >adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result. Doc >was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very >frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com in >the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for myself, >finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I said I >am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and he >was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good >effects right away, certainly within a week. >Gracia > > > Hi Gracia! > > > > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting today > > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of the > > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is > > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > > > > BR > > > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal >glands. > > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses >of > > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > > > Gracia > > > > > >> Hi ! > > >> > > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds >for > > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid > > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > > >> ordinary > > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > > >> > > >> Please clarifiy me. > > >> > > >> B.R. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 thanks, are going completely off of it? What has your doc. said about you taking this med? Bev LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote: For me Cortef relieved my vomiting, diahrea, weight lose, and the severe muscle weakness I was having. Hope this helps!... Brain fog still here LaCretia > >lifelong anxiety, brain fog, exhaustion >Gracia > > > Hi Gracia, > > What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just >make you feel better? > > thanks > > Bev > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Speaking of Iodine, I just started taking Lugol's Iodine everyday. I have noticed a calming effect. I'm also taking Armour at 1.5 grain daily. --- Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > LOL I am 57. > First I am not sure if you are getting ENOUGH > thyroid meds, also I take > Armour thyroid b/c it has other hormones in it. If > you are not feeling > well then you might need more thyroid meds or one > that contains T3 hormone > as well. Is it true that Indian docs use only T4 > meds? Armour is > dessicated pig thyroid. You need to treat your > symptoms and not go by > testing testing testing. TSH over 2 is too high. I > really cannot recommend > the adrenal tests. > Once you are sure you are getting the right thyroid > meds, and you still > don't feel well, then cortef would be useful to try. > have you also tried > iodine? > Gracia > > > Hi Gracia! > > > > Thanks for your detailed answer.I am 55 years old > and suffering from > > Hypothyroid for the past 6 motnhs.My main problem > is depression,gastric > > problem and dizziness after food.My vertigo > problem is the main problem > > due to which I feel totally depressed.My endo says > it is due cerivical > > spondylysis. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Hi After reading your last post, I've just had a look at a cushings site. A few years ago I had a syacthen (excuse spelling) to which I was called back urgently to the hospital, for what I now think was a cortisone injection, then told to go home. After looking at this site, I am still not sure whether I have this. My life is a nightmare, a few weeks ago I started to become very ill again, no energy, no interest and blowing up. My face, neck and abdomin is huge, to the extent that my back is hurting very much because of the weight of my abdomin. My husband and I have just looked at the photographs on the site, and they look just like me. I am so desperate for some help. I remember vaguely when I have the syacthen test someone saying it wasnt very good, is this true, if so what test should I have. I gave up with Endo. quite a while ago, and have been self medicating with Armour Thyroid for around 18 months and been OK. but the story has now changed massively. Last week my blood results showed that my T3 was up, and I felt like I was dying, so I stopped the meds. and I must admit I do feel different, but still ill. I have been taking H/C for the past few days. Bye Gail Re: Re: adrenal support If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't seem to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if anybody is interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it. Bev LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote: If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only adrenal fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation. Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your body basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body and the metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you withdrawel too quickly... hope this helps. Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of patients have no, or only minor, side effects. Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs: Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC): Appearance of " moonface " Enlargement of some fat pad areas The appearance of fat in the midsection Abnormal fat deposits General obesity Muscle wasting and weakness High blood pressure Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes) Osteoporosis Thinning of skin Easy or spontaneous bruising Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause: Nausea Fatigue Loss of appetite Difficulty breathing Lowered blood pressure Joint and muscle aches Fever Dizziness Fainting General body discomfort Digestive tract problems: Nausea Vomiting Increased appetite Weight gain Indigestion or heartburn Bloating Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland) Peptic ulcer Stomach pain Rectal bleeding Local pain or burning with enemas CNS (central nervous system) problems: Convulsions or seizures Increased pressure in the brain Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion Headache Behavior changes Sleeplessness Hiccups Mood swings Depression Psychotic manifestations Clumsiness Exaggerated sense of well being Circulatory system problems: Heart failure High blood pressure Thrombosis (clot formation) Skin changes: Impaired wound healing Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin Changes in pigmentation of skin Acne Excessive body hair growth Rash or hives Easy or spontaneous bruising Facial flushing Loss of or abnormal skin sensations Increased sweating (very common) Other changes or problems: Salt and water retention Potassium loss General body discomfort Abnormally low calcium Muscle weakness Loss of muscle mass Bone density loss Bone fractures Menstrual irregularities (women) Growth suppression (children) Decreased carbohydrate tolerance Increased blood sugar levels Cataracts Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure Bulging eyes Aggravation or masking of an infection Rare instances of blindness Tendon rupture Suppressed reaction to skin tests Kaposi's sarcoma Hip or shoulder bone degradation Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness Muscle twitching Exaggerated rapid eye movement > >Hi Gracia, >What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just >make you feel better? >thanks >Bev > >Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > >I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was high >normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed >ALL >adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result. Doc >was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very >frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com in >the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for myself, >finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I said I >am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and he >was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good >effects right away, certainly within a week. >Gracia > > > Hi Gracia! > > > > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting today > > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of the > > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is > > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > > > > BR > > > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal >glands. > > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses >of > > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > > > Gracia > > > > > >> Hi ! > > >> > > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds >for > > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid > > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > > >> ordinary > > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > > >> > > >> Please clarifiy me. > > >> > > >> B.R. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Hi Sorry to trouble you again. After I sent the last post, I read further down these messages, and the list of this to notify GP about with long term H/C treatment. I ve listed the symtoms out of the list that I have without having used H/C for over two years. Appearance of Moon Face ( I can hardly see, because of the amount my eye area is puffed up Enlargement of some fat pads The appearance of fat in the mid section Adnormal fat around back of neck (below hairline) General Obesity put on around 6 stone in past 5 years Muscle weakness Not had blood pressure taken for a while No sugar although I shake and feel faint quite often then have to eat to feel better Easy of spontaneous bruising any ideas would be greatly appreciated Gail Re: Re: adrenal support If this site would allow you to send attachments I would send my cushings syndrome pictures to show you what it looks like, but I can't seem to do it. My pics are on cushings syndrome support group if anybody is interested. Cusings is not fun, I almost died from it. Bev LaCretia Mozingo <lacretiamo@...> wrote: If you read up on Cortef you will find it's used to treat not only adrenal fatigue but other aliments such as arthritis. It reduces inflamation. Also, it gives one a sense of overall wellness. You are giving your body basically in a nut shell adrenalyn...which in turn hypes up the body and the metabolism if you don't need it. If you are deficient...it will help greatly though. Here is a link to the side effects of taking too much steroid. It also includes what symptoms you would get if you withdrawel too quickly... hope this helps. Side Effects of ALL Glucocorticosteroids Every drug may at times cause side effects, but the majority of patients have no, or only minor, side effects. Tell your doctor or pharmacist if any of the following occurs: Cushing's Syndrome (with long-term use of HC): Appearance of " moonface " Enlargement of some fat pad areas The appearance of fat in the midsection Abnormal fat deposits General obesity Muscle wasting and weakness High blood pressure Diabetes mellitus (sugar diabetes) Osteoporosis Thinning of skin Easy or spontaneous bruising Too rapid withdrawal of therapy can cause: Nausea Fatigue Loss of appetite Difficulty breathing Lowered blood pressure Joint and muscle aches Fever Dizziness Fainting General body discomfort Digestive tract problems: Nausea Vomiting Increased appetite Weight gain Indigestion or heartburn Bloating Pancreatitis (inflammation of the pancreas gland) Peptic ulcer Stomach pain Rectal bleeding Local pain or burning with enemas CNS (central nervous system) problems: Convulsions or seizures Increased pressure in the brain Dizziness, giddiness, or feeling of whirling motion Headache Behavior changes Sleeplessness Hiccups Mood swings Depression Psychotic manifestations Clumsiness Exaggerated sense of well being Circulatory system problems: Heart failure High blood pressure Thrombosis (clot formation) Skin changes: Impaired wound healing Thin skin and/or loss of fat under the skin Changes in pigmentation of skin Acne Excessive body hair growth Rash or hives Easy or spontaneous bruising Facial flushing Loss of or abnormal skin sensations Increased sweating (very common) Other changes or problems: Salt and water retention Potassium loss General body discomfort Abnormally low calcium Muscle weakness Loss of muscle mass Bone density loss Bone fractures Menstrual irregularities (women) Growth suppression (children) Decreased carbohydrate tolerance Increased blood sugar levels Cataracts Glaucoma or increased intraocular pressure Bulging eyes Aggravation or masking of an infection Rare instances of blindness Tendon rupture Suppressed reaction to skin tests Kaposi's sarcoma Hip or shoulder bone degradation Secondary adrenocortical and pituitary unresponsiveness Muscle twitching Exaggerated rapid eye movement > >Hi Gracia, >What kind of symptoms did you have that the cortef helped or did it just >make you feel better? >thanks >Bev > >Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > >I had several adrenal tests. All blood tests were normal. Saliva was high >normal, high, high normal, high. 24 hr urine test from AAL lab showed >ALL >adrenal and sex hormones low. So every test had a different result. Doc >was a great doc but still told me to use licorice for adrenals!!! Very >frustrating, so I ordered cortef from http://www.mastersmarketing.com in >the UK and tried it on my own. I had to figure out the dosing for myself, >finally found what Jefferies recommends. When I next saw the doc I said I >am trying cortef, he asked does it work? I said YES it works great, and he >was fine with that. I have been on it for 2 years now. I noticed good >effects right away, certainly within a week. >Gracia > > > Hi Gracia! > > > > Thanks for your lightening answer.You have written in your posting today > > that test on adrenal will show " normal " .Are taking cortef inspite of the > > fact that your adrenal is " normal " as per the report?If so how much is > > your dose?After how many days of dosage,you became " energetic " ? > > > > BR > > > > > Cortef (hydrocortisone) is a steroid, same as made by the adrenal >glands. > > > Low doses support adrenals, high doses suppress them. See Safe Uses >of > > > Cortisol by Jefferies MD. > > > Gracia > > > > > >> Hi ! > > >> > > >> Your inputs are very useful.Especially adrenal support and the meds >for > > >> it.I had a strong doubt.Answer me if the medicine belongs to steroid > > >> group.Normally steroid medicines are strong enough to give extra > > >> ordinary > > >> and isntant energy to individual at that time. > > >> > > >> Please clarifiy me. > > >> > > >> B.R. > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Mike, how are you taking the Lugol's, what dose? Re: Re: adrenal support > Speaking of Iodine, I just started taking Lugol's > Iodine everyday. I have noticed a calming effect. I'm > also taking Armour at 1.5 grain daily. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 I found out what black thulsi is. A more common name for it is holy basil, it is also known as tulsi. One of the things it is useful for is treating stress, it is thought to counteract the effects of stress and reduce elevated levels of cortisol. It was compared in studies with ginseng and was supposed to have been found more effective than that in helping relieve the symptoms of stress. It also may have some anti-inflammatory, antioxidant, and antimicrobial effects. There is nothing in it, that I can see, that would have any effect on the thyroid, it would not serve to replace thyroid hormone. It may have an indirect effect if it reduces elevated levels of cortisol produced by stress, but it is not a thyroid hormone replacement. Re: adrenal support > Gracia! > > It is encouraging to see that you have used ayur vedic medicines.I will > be consulting one ayurvedic doctor on thursday for both spondylis and > hypo. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 I'm confused....in this post, LaCretia said by taking Cortef, you are basically giving yourself " adrenalyn " ....it is my understanding that adrenaline(Epinephrine) and Hyrodrocortisone are two entirely different things, produced in different areas of the adrenal gland...Epinephrine, being the hormone responsible for dilating blood vessels, as to give us more oxygen during times of stress..and hyrocortisone, being the hormone that regulates the use of our food energy, and also helps us recover from the initial stimulation of the Epinephrine by basically bringing us back " down " ... Did I miss something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2005 Report Share Posted May 26, 2005 Whew!...I thought I was really confused, glad to know I'm not the only one. thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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