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Dr. Teller told me by telephone last June 1998 that his wife had

benefited from a terrible case of emphysema, near death and in her early

nineties, by using HBOT. He said after a few treatments she was much better.

It does stand to reason.

Dr. Stauch tells me that the hyperbaricist treating for emphysema should be

highly trained particularly during the surfacing phase. I am not enough of

an expert to elaborate, but do think one would want an experienced

hyperbaricist for any type of treatment. Manson

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Hi --

Thanks--I hope you wouldn't mind if I forwarded your response to the son

of the man with emphysema. The hospital was in the mode of just letting

nature take its course. I have watched a show on cable tv called Trauma

in the ER and have often wondered what holistic things could be done

with patients who are left to die like herbal applications such as

cayenne for stimulus. Holistic approaches could counteract and

ameliorate some of the processes going on. J.

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Effects of Hyperbaric Oxygen in Fungal

infections

" Candida Albicans "

The growth of Candida Albicans in vitro is inhibited by prolonged

exposure to Hyperbaric Oxygen. At 2.5 ata. This protocol was chosen to

approximate the levels of oxygen found in tissues found in the tissues

of patients treated with HBOT. Prolonged exposure to HBOT between 2.5

and 3 ata is funcidal for C. albican and several other Candida. There

is strong evidence that Pneumocystis carinii is a fungus. P. carinii has

low levels of antioxidant enzymes and is very susceptible to hyperoxia.

A 10 minute exposure to hyperbaric in vitro appears to be lethal for

this micoroganism.

HBOT appears to represent means for treatment of this fungus where

standard anti fungal agents have failed.

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Most fungi are relatively anaerobic and high dosages of oxygen are very

valuable. Remember oxygen is the natural antibiotic of the body. In

leucocytes the oxygen molecule is given an additional electron to form

superoxide radical and initiate the chain of events which leads to

hydroxyl ion formation and microbial killing. Oxygen also reduces oedema

and inflammation

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Dear; ,

Since sending my message I took my wife for another HBOT, her 39th on

Saturday and asked Dr. Stauch;, her hyperbaricist, about your request re the

emphysema patient.

Dr. Stauch says he has treated some emphysema patients and that they do

respond. Again, he cautions that one mist be careful when " surfacing from

the dive " , so as not to permit any air to get trapped. But Dr. Stuach says

its feasible. Manson His E-mail is new but it is HBODOC@...

So the friends can communicate directly

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PAT AND SUSAN RODRIGUEZ wrote:

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> Effects of Hyperbaric Oxygen in Fungal

> infections

> " Candida Albicans "

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How does one locate this therapy? Deb

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This just in from Dr for children

HYPERBARIC OXYGEN THERAPY FOR CEREBRAL PALSY CHILDREN

Philip MB ChB, DIH, PhD, FFOM, Wolfson Hyperbaric Medicine

Unit, The University of Dundee, Ninewells Medical School, Dundee DD1

9SY.

To significantly increase the delivery of oxygen delivery to the

tissues requires the use of hyperbaric conditions, that is, pressures

greater than normal sea level atmospheric pressure. When tissue is

damaged the blood supply within the tissue is also damaged and too

little oxygen may be available for recovery to take place. Hyperbaric

medicine is not taught in most medical schools and is often

dismissed by doctors as " alternative " medicine, but it is drugs that

are alternative. Some raise fears about toxicity but in prcatice

this is not a problem. More is known about oxygen and its dosage

than any pharmaceutical. There is no more important intervention than

to give sufficient oxygen to correct a tissue deficiency but,

unfortunately, oxygen is only given in hospital to restore normal

levels in the blood. The increased pressure has no effect on the

body, although the pressure in the middle ear and sinuses in adults

has to be equalised.

More oxygen may help many children with cerebral palsy, but it is NOT

a cure. There are some obvious questions to be answered:

When does the damage occur?

Ultrasonic scanning of the brain has shown that in most children the

events which cause the development of cerebral palsy (CP) occur at the

time of birth, 1 although it may be many months before spasticity

develops.2 Where does the damage occur? The areas affected in CP are

in the middle of the hemispheres of the brain and one side or both

sides may involved. These critical areas, called the internal

capsules, are where the fibres from the controlling nerve cells in the

grey matter of the brain pass down on their way to the spinal cord. In

the spinal cord they interconnect with the nerve cells whose fibres

activate the muscles of the legs and arms.

Why does the damage occur?

Unfortunately, the internal capsules have a poor blood supply, shown

by the frequent occurence of damage to these areas in younger patients

with multiple sclerosis and in strokes in the elderly by Magnetic

Resonance Imaging (MRI). When any event causes lack of oxygen the

blood vessels leak, the tissues become swollen and there may even be

leakage of blood. The increased water content, termed oedema, reduces

the transport of oxygen. This applies to any tissue, but especially to

the brain where a sufficient quantity of oxygen is vital both to the

function and, in children, its development. What causes paralysis and

spasticity to develop? When the controlling nerve cells in the brain

are disconnected from the spinal cord, the signals to the arms and

legs cannot pass and the ability to move is lost. Eventually, because

the nerve cells in the spinal cord are separated from the control of

the brain, they send an excess of signals to the muscles, causing the

uncontrolled contractions known as spasticity. The areas carrying the

nerve fibres to the legs are the closest to the ventricles of the

brain where the blood supply is poorest3 so the legs are the most

commonly affected. The is called diplegia, to indicate that the

problem is in the brain and distinguish it from paraplegia where the

damage is in the spinal cord.

Why is spasticity delayed?

This is a crucial question that is, at present, not adequately

explained or even raised. Children who develop spasticity often appear

to develop normally for several months and then lose function

gradually. Because in many children there is voluntary movement for a

time after birth, the connections must still be intact. Why then are

they lost allowing spasticity to develop? The answer almost certainly

is due to the failure of the coverings of the nerve fibres, known as

myelin sheaths, to develop. This evidence has come from MRI.2 Myelin

sheaths envelop the nerve fibres like a Swiss roll in order to

increase the speed of impulse transmission. Myelination normally

begins about a month before birth and progresses to completion by the

age of two. If there is tissue swelling in the mid-brain the delicate

cells that form myelin die and the nerve fibres, left exposed, slowly

deteriorate with the ultimate development of spasticity.

What may be possible?

Loss of function in the brain can be either due to tissue swelling,

which is reversible, or tissue destruction, which is not. The

recoverable areas can now be identified by a technique called SPECT

imaging. The initials stand for Single Photon Emission Computed

Tomography. It can demonstrate blood flow which is linked to

metabolism of the brain which is, of course, directly related to

oxygen availability. By giving oxygen at the high dosages possible

under hyperbaric conditions, areas which are not ''dead but sleeping''

can be identified. This phenomenon has been discussed for many years

in stroke patients and authorities have even stated that the critical

parameter is not blood flow it is oxygen delivery.4 Under normal

circumstances, blood flow and oxygen delivery are inextricably

coupled, but the use of hyperbaric conditions can change this

situation. Tissue oedema and swelling may persist in, for example,

joints, for many years and SPECT imaging has now revealed that this is

true in the brain.5 Suggesting that more oxygen, that is additional

oxygen supplied under hyperbaric conditions may be of value generates

further questions:

What does hyperbaric mean?

It means a pressure greater than normal sea-level atmospheric

pressure. Atmospheric pressure at sea-level varies with the weather

and on a high pressure day more oxygen is available to the body. Aches

and pains may be worse on a low pressure day because of the reduction

of oxygen pressure. A hyperbaric chamber allows much more oxygen to be

dissolved in the blood. An indication of the power of this technique

is that at twice atmospheric pressure breathing pure oxygen the work

of the heart is reduced by 20%. So much can be dissolved in the

plasma that life is possible for a short time without red blood cells.

The research behind the development of hyperbaric oxygen therapy has

been undertaken by doctors involved in aviation, space exploration and

diving. This critical information is not yet taught in our Medical

Schools, despite many thousands of published articles including

controlled studies in many conditions.

How can cerebral palsy children be helped?

Clearly the appropriate time to use of oxygen is at the start of a

disease process, not after a delay of months or years. Nevertheless, a

course of oxygen therapy sessions at increased pressure has been shown

to resolve tissue swelling after the lapse of years. It works by

constricting blood vessels and interrupting the vicious cycle where

oxygen lack leads to tissue swelling, which then leads to further

oxygen deficiency. Although formal studies have yet to be undertaken

in children with cerebral palsy there is every reason to believe that

exactly the same effect that is seen in stroke patients can occur.

Also in children the brain is still developing and therefore the

prospects for improvement are very much greater than in adults.

Recovery of brain damage in children resulting from cardiac surgery

has been documented using X ray scanning.6

Will oxygen therapy cure cerebral palsy?

Hyperbaric oxygen therapy is not a miracle cure for children with

cerebral palsy, it is simply a way of ensuring the most complete

recovery possible. It should be used with exercise programmes, because

lack of use in muscles and joints leads to changes that can only be

reversed by exercise.

Why are there no formal studies?

Formal studies are now underway in the USA and Canada and the results

of the pilot study in McGill University are now ready for publication.

There is a first time for everything. Unfortunately most of the

medical research in the UK is funded by the drug industry and the

costs involved are enormous. As the use of oxygen cannot be patented,

there is no way that the cost of trials could be recouped and no

finance is available for the promotion of the therapy. Because of the

great advances made in the use of drugs a climate has been created in

which doctors are conditioned to expect a drug-based solution to every

disease. Oxygen has been available in Medicine for over a hundred

years so it is difficult to accept that it is not being used properly,

but over 500 chambers are now operating in the USA and Japan, 1500 in

Russia and a similar number in China. As is so often the case much of

the original research was undertaken and published in the UK. In many

diseases the cost of investigations is often a great deal more than

the cost of providing hyperbaric oxygen therapy. MRI and SPECT imaging

may allow the benefit to be demonstrated, but they are not in any way

therapeutic. There is no better assessor of a child suffering from

cerebral palsy than a parent or carer involved in day-to-day hands on

care.

Are there dangers ?

The only risk with hyperbaric conditions properly supervised is to

the ear drum, just as when aircraft - which are hyperbaric chambers -

descend. There are limits to oxygen delivery, for example, the very

high pressures used in diving can cause convulsions, but the Chinese

have shown that epilepsy is actually treated by hyperbaric oxygen

therapy at lower pressures. Ther is no evidence of either eye or lung

toxicity at 1.5-1.75 atm abs.

References

1. Pape KE, Wiggleworth JS. Haemorrhage, ischaemia and the perinatal

brain. Clinics in developmental medicine. Nos. 69/70 Heinemann

Medical Books, London, 1979.

2. Dubowitz LMS, Bydder GM, Mushin J. Developmental sequence of

periventricular leukomalacia. Arch Dis Child 1985;60:349-55.

3. Takashima S, Tanaka K. Development of cerebrovascular architecture

and its relationship to periventricular leukomalacia. Arch Neurol

1978;35:11-16.

4. Astrup J, Siesjo BK, Symon L. Thresholds in cerebral ischemia; the

ischemic penumbra. Stroke 1981;12:723-25.

5. Neubauer RA, Gottlieb SF, Kagan RL. Enhancing idling neurones.

Lancet 1990;336:542.

6. Muraoka R, Yokota M, Aoshima M, et al. Subclinical changes in brain

morphology following cardiac operations as reflected by computed

tomographic scans of the brain. J Thorac Cardiovasc Surg

1981;81:364-69.

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Abstracts from the Programme of the 13th International

Congress on Hyperbaric Medicine.

Kobe, Japan November 7 & ndash;12, 1999.

1. Neubauer R.A. Kagan R P. Hyperbaric Oxygenation for

Cerebral Palsy and the Brain Injured Child.

SPECT imaging supports the positive results reported from Canada

and South America and indicate the need for further

studies on the role of HBO in CP. With an appropriate protocol and

timing, multiple disabilities in children may be

alleviated or possibly aborted.

2. Shaowei J, Zhi Yi, Wiyyuan Z, et al. The Effect of HBO on

Neonatal Hypoxic Encephalopathy.

SPECT scans of 34 babies with hypoxic encephalopathy showed 46 foci

of low perfusion and functional deficit in 31.

20 babies were compared with 11 controls. After 1 or 2 sessions of

HBO there was a significant difference in perfusion

of the treated and control groups (P <0.01).

3. Ming H, Jianhua G, Quinli C, et al. HBO on the Mental

Development of the Newborn with Hypoxic Encephalopathy.

52 cases (28 newborns , 24 infants), treated between 1995 and 1998,

compared with 48 controls (20 newborns, 20

infants) and all followed up 12 months later. The newborns received

10 treatments a day and infants 20 treatments. The

newborn babies obviously did better than the infants (p<0.01).

After 12 months the difference between newborn treated

babies and the controls was significant (p<01). It is concluded

that HBO has a long-term effect on newborns but little in

infants.

4. Zhi Y, Jianxiang L, Shaowei J et al. HBO on the Hypoxic

Encepalopathy of the Newborn.

48 babies treated with 10 daily treatments compared with 41

controls. In the treated babies there was a response in

94% but with routine treatment alone only 59% improved (P<0.05).

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Helen,

I have had moments of clarity like you described, and yes that is when I get

depressed or angry because I am able to think about all that I've lost. But

as Reid and others have been saying, you have to also try to think of the

things you've gained. This disease has changed us all and its a rotten thing

to get, taking away so much of who you used to be. I wish I knew the words

to help you, all I can say is I can relate. Unfortunately, I always relapse

and the good times don't last long.So I don't have long to feel it. But I

really think this HBOT treatment has helped you tremendously, and I believe

and hope that your remission lasts forever, or at least for a very long

time. I'm so happy to hear it is working. I think it is only natural to feel

sad. I've often tried to explain my depression to my husband. It's like I'm

grieving the lost of myself. Then I have a remission, get my hopes up, get

angry, relapse and grieve all over again. This disease is devastating. You

give me hope, your progress reports are so encouraging and make me think,

I'll find a way to scrounge up the money and get the treatment. Thanks for

keeping us informed. I hope the trip to Gettysburg isn't too much for you, I

look forward to seeing you there, feeling good! Rejoice in your new found

good feelings. All any of us can do is to live each day to the fullest. I

wish I could help you more, but I do know others will respond and all the

different opinions will help you. Hang in there, you are loved and that's

better than a lot of people can say.

Prayers & hugs,

Vicki, Md

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> I need some feedback. Have any of you who have been so devastatingly

>ill and then began to feel better feel kind of " down " and unsure what to

do?

>I am amazed that I am so confused, even depressed because I " feel " things

>again. I see how many years have gone by. How much suffering there has

been.

>I am well aware that by no means am I well yet but to have a few weeks of

up

>time (for me) is so odd, unexpected. I am truly moved to tears yet I have

>lost my job, friends, moved, been through surgeries unnecessarily, severe

>pain both mentally and physically and so much more and it all feels like it

>is hitting me right between my eyes now. Any of you psychologists, real or

>homegrown know what I mean? If I am blessed to continue in a mostly good

> " run, " how do I begin again? I know by taking one step at a time but I feel

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Hi Sheila and all who wonder,

HBOT stands for Hyperbaric Oxygen treatment. It is an experimental

treatment for Lyme disease. Spirochetes do not like oxygen, and the idea is

that many very expensive treatments will bring them out from hiding and

allow the antibiotics to zap them. Here is a web site that explains how

they work for LD fairly well:

http://www.lymealliance.org/Newsletter/news1/news1.html

Hope this helps, glad you asked, there are probably many others than

wondered about this.

Hugs,

Marta

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>Can someone explain to me what HBOT treatment is?

>I see it mentioned occasionally can't figure it out.

>Take care

>Sheila

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Hi ,

You are into an interesting area of experimentation. I'm glad it is working

so well, and look forward to hearing more.

I just wanted to respond to and amplify a little on a couple of things.

>>>>> The

chamber I am using only develops an additional 3 lbs/sq inch of pressure

which is approximately equal to a 5 to 7 foot dive. Detractors say that

this is not " enough " pressure to do anything. My thinking of why this

milder pressure should be helpful is based on my experience with diving

(back when I had a life). The greatest gas compression and most dramatic

effects occur in the first few feet of a dive. To illustrate, when you

dive, its the most difficult to " equalize " (clear your ears and mask

squeeze) in the first few feet down. Once you can equalize at 10 feet,

anything deeper is a piece of cake. So my thinking is that it wouldn't take

much extra pressure to dramatically change the amount of oxygen that is

forced into the tissues. (a quick look at Boyle's law shows that you get

the most " bang for the buck " in the first 10 feet of a dive)

While I have been monitoring my pulse ox inside and outside the chamber,

this is not the only factor. This is just the only factor I can objectively

measure on my own. I think the greatest benefit from HBOT is from SERUM

oxygen. Under normal atmospheric pressure, the body only carries oxygen in

red blood cells (RBCs), and little or no oxygen is DISSOLVED or carried in

the serum. Boyle's law (physics) tells us that the greater pressure you put

on air over a liquid, the more of that gas becomes dissolved in the liquid

(Like the pressure inside a soda bottle, you don't see any bubbles until you

release the pressure by opening the bottle and the gas bubbles out of

solution).

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[Jerry] Serum-dissolved oxygen would reach tissues that RBC-carried O2

wouldn't, but there is so much more RBC-carried O2 available that

serum-dissolved is almost inconsequential. Also, RBC-carried O2 will

dissolve into the serum on an ongoing basis as the RBCs circulate.

<<<<<

So by going in the hyperbaric chamber, you put more pressure on the oxygen,

which forces more of it into your serum. As we have discussed on this list

before, just because your RBCs are carrying oxygen doesn't mean it actually

gets into your tissues. Firstly, you may not have the proper blood pH to

disassociate the oxygen from the RBC. Secondly, your RBCs may not be

" flexible " enough to bend as they need to get through small capillaries.

Thirdly, as Berg talks about in his hypercoagulation theory, the vessels may

be coated with fibrin so that even if you do have flexible RBCs, they won't

be flexible enough to get through these narrowed vessels. Serum carrying

oxygen would have none of these problems. In a hyperbaric situation the

oxygen is dissolved in the serum and there is no dissociation to worry

about, the oxygen touches the cell and is taken in by the cell. The cells

will " gobble up " the oxygen so fast that there is no worry about the oxygen

bubbling out of solution when the pressure is released when you come out of

the chamber. (When divers get " bent " it is the NITROGEN bubbling out of

solution (their blood) that causes the bends, oxygen is gobbled up at to

fast a rate to be a problem on anything shorter than a 24 hour dive. There

is no worries about nitrogen either in a mild chamber. Because a mild

chamber is only equal to about a 5 to 7 foot dive, a quick look at the dive

tables tells us that you can dive just about forever at this level and not

get " bent " )

>>>>>>

[Jerry] It isn't the pressure that causes bends, but the fact that the

pressure is being reduced. When nitrogen and oxygen are breathed at high

pressure, they will dissolve in plasma. But only when the pressure is

reduced do they come out as bubbles. They can stay dissolved forever if you

stay at high pressure (but nitrogen narcosis, a separate problem, becomes a

factor.)

<<<<<<One of the most intriguing papers I read about HBOT was about tissue

partial pressures. It turns out that the partial pressure of oxygen in many

people is virtually zero. After 2 weeks of daily HBOT, tissue partial

pressures built up dramatically. This is aparently NOT due to O2 dissolved

in serum because these greater partial pressures were still evident 2 years

later!!!

>>>>>>

[Jerry]

The tissue partial pressure of 0 is an indication that O2 is being consumed

as fast as it is delivered. Anything that gets more O2 there will help

overcome this and make the partial O2 pressure go up. The 'anything' can be

more RBCs, better pH control, changes in levels of 2,3-DPG, lower clotting

activity (thinner blood), or more flexible RBCs.

<<<<<I was a bit worried about increasing Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS - or

singlet oxygen) while using plain oxygen and/or HBOT. ROS is what causes

oxidative damage. but I've read several papers and as far as I can tell,

its not OXYGEN that increases ROS but the LACK OF OXYGEN. The lack of

oxygen (ischemia) causes the cells to go into a different form of energy

production which makes lots of ROS.

>>>>>>>

[Jerry] ROS damage comes from metabolic activity, chiefly aerobic metabolism

in the mitochondria, producing ROS; then these not getting cleaned up by vit

C (in cytosol and plasma) or E (in membranes). If there is enough C and E,

the ROS shouldn't be a problem.

Jerry

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Why don't you contact Rodgiguez in San Bernadino? That isn't very

far from SD. She runs Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics there.

http://www.hbot4u.com/ Not only is she one of us, so you'll know you'll

get the kind of care you're looking for. But, her center has one of the

lowest prices in the country for HBOT.

jim :)

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> Doea anyone know of a place in San Diego that does

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usually standard for TBI, or PN, but not writen in stone.

with stroke or cp and or any brain injury, usually the number is 40,

according to Dr and Dr Harch

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>> "

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>Is 40 treatments the standard number for degenerative conditions, or was 40

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> "

Is 40 treatments the standard number for degenerative conditions, or was 40

the number you would advise for that person's particular situation?

Greg

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Hyperbaric Therapy Could Help Diabetics

By A. Steeves WebMD Medical News

May 24, 2000 (Dallas/Fort Worth) -- Two months ago, a

surgeon told Thelma Bell that wounds on her right foot had

progressed to gangrene and she was facing amputation. She'd

already lost two toes because of nerve and circulatory

damage caused by diabetes.

But last week, Bell's wounds were nearly healed, and the

tissue on her foot appeared pink and healthy. Doctors now

say her foot and leg will be saved, and once she is fitted

with a special shoe, she should be able to walk normally.

Bell escaped the fate of the estimated 86,000 people each

year who have lower limb amputations because of diabetic

complications; they account for half of all leg and foot

removals performed annually in the U.S. Her outcome was

different because of wound care aided by hyperbaric oxygen

therapy, says Stone, DO, MPH.

Stone, director of the hyperbaric medicine unit at the

Institute for Exercise and Environmental Medicine (IEEM), is

studying whether use of the therapy can reduce diabetic

amputations. " One of my questions has been the role of

hyperbarics in diabetic wounds, " he tells WebMD. He received

a $208,000 grant from the American Diabetes Association

(ADA) to investigate the method.

Patients are put in a large, submarine-like chamber and don

a clear plastic hood into which 100% oxygen is pumped. This

increases the amount of oxygen in their blood, which in turn

helps generate growth of vessels, says Stone, who also is a

physician with the Wound Care Clinic of North Texas, part of

Presbyterian Hospital of Dallas.

Vessel growth is crucial for diabetics because they have

circulatory problems due to blocked arteries and

capillaries. They also have nerve problems, called sensatory

neuropathy, so they often can't feel cuts on their feet.

" I've had patients come in with a nail in a foot and not

know it, " Stone says.

Once an injury occurs, it may not heal if there's not enough

oxygen-enriched blood reaching the area. Often, as in Bell's

case, the wound may fester until the only option is

amputation, at a cost of about $40,000 per case.

For military veterans alone, this results in about 9,000

amputations annually at a total cost for surgery,

hospitalization, medical care, and rehabilitation of $341

million, according to the Department of Veterans Affairs.

Diabetics are 15 to 40 times more likely to have a leg

amputated than someone not suffering from the disease.

Diabetics and others also must cope with hardening of the

arteries, a condition usually treated by angioplasty,

bypass, or stent placement. But there also are microvascular

changes -- clogged capillaries that occur in the feet of

many diabetics. " I think it's these folks that are helped by

hyperbarics, " Stone says.

" It's important to point out that hyperbarics is not a

panacea. It isn't. There are many other things we do first

such as check for infection, seeing if we can get weight off

the foot, if we can control edema, help with proper

nutrition, including glycemia control. "

Bell says she was lucky and credits Stone and his staff at

IEEM, a joint project of Presbyterian and UT Southwestern

Medical Center at Dallas.

" When they found the gangrene in March, I thought that they

just took you out in the field and shot you, " Bell jokes.

" But now my surgeon says that my foot has been saved. "

So far, Stone has treated about 30 diabetes patients under

the ADA grant. He wants to treat a total of 100 to 120

people in the double-blind study, in which neither medical

personnel nor patients know whether the participant is

receiving pure oxygen or regular air during their 90 minutes

to two hours in the chamber.

Hyperbaric medicine is not new. It has been used since the

1940s to treat decompression sickness from scuba diving,

carbon monoxide poisoning, and chronic bone infections. For

the past 35 years, it also has been used for healing wounds.

Stone also previously used it for patients with diabetes,

but this is the first time a double-blind study has been

done to determine if the treatment is effective enough to

significantly reduce amputations resulting from diabetic

ischemic foot ulcers, or wounds not getting sufficient

oxygenated blood for healing.

In an earlier retrospective study, Stone and his colleagues

looked at results for 1,633 patients treated for wounds over

33 months. Of those, 501 were diabetic; 119 received

hyperbaric oxygen therapy and the rest received conventional

treatment. They found that the limb salvage rate was 72% for

those on pure oxygen and only 53% for the rest. Stone

cautions that this was not a controlled study, so not a true

measure of the effectiveness of hyperbarics in reducing

amputation.

Ben Gallegos, administrator of the hyperbarics unit at

Medical City Dallas Hospital, says that though they haven't

conducted an official study of the use of the therapy in

diabetics, they have had great success in using it against

gangrene. Medical City is the only other facility besides

Presbyterian in the Dallas area that has a multichamber

hyperbaric unit.

Unger, MD, who is not involved in the ADA study, also

expressed caution. He is director of the Touchstone Diabetes

Center at UT Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas, and a

diabetes clinician at the Dallas Veterans Affairs Medical

Center.

" We have sent patients for hyperbaric treatment, " says

Unger, a member of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS).

" Diabetic foot ulcers and amputation is a terrible problem,

and almost anything you do fails.

" At this point, no one knows how effective hyperbaric

treatment is, so it's important to do such a study. We've

seen temporary improvement from hyperbarics, but it's hard

to tell whether it's because of that therapy or because

other treatment the patient is receiving is focused on the

wound, " Unger says.

, MD, former chief of endocrinology at UT

Southwestern who has treated numerous cases of diabetic

wounds and amputation at Parkland Health and Hospital

System, also expresses skepticism but commends IEEM for

doing the study.

" We need effective therapies, and I'm enthusiastic that the

ADA is funding such research, " says , also an NAS

member. " It's very important that hyperbaric medicine be

studied because its effectiveness for most of its

applications has never been scientifically investigated. "

Stone says that in the retrospective study, they found that

patients accepted for hyperbarics had larger wounds, more

wounds, and were more likely to have been recommended for

amputation than the rest of the people receiving wound care.

" Interestingly, 31% of the hyperbaric group had been

recommended for amputation versus 19% of those who did not

have hyperbarics, " he says. " Based on this, we applied for

the ADA grant.

" Hyperbarics is important. It's just one of the things done

to treat wounds. The majority of patients don't need

hyperbarics. My average patient presents with a wound that

has been there 11.8 months. I think the key in many of these

cases is a multidisciplinary approach. ... We need to better

define which patients will respond to hyperbarics. "

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Of course the lungs would need to be checked, and the MD is ok as long as

the chest and torso muscles are ok to exhale and inhale, I would have the MD

look at the patient.

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>

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> >Hi ,

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> >Have you had any cystic fibrosis or muscular dystrophy patients do HBOT?

> >

> >Thanks

> >

> >Dick

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> Of course the lungs would need to be checked, and the MD is ok as long as

> the chest and torso muscles are ok to exhale and inhale, I would have the

MD

> look at the patient.

>

Does that mean the answer to my question is no?

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