Guest guest Report post Posted April 17, 1999 Dr. Teller told me by telephone last June 1998 that his wife had benefited from a terrible case of emphysema, near death and in her early nineties, by using HBOT. He said after a few treatments she was much better. It does stand to reason. Dr. Stauch tells me that the hyperbaricist treating for emphysema should be highly trained particularly during the surfacing phase. I am not enough of an expert to elaborate, but do think one would want an experienced hyperbaricist for any type of treatment. Manson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 17, 1999 Hi -- Thanks--I hope you wouldn't mind if I forwarded your response to the son of the man with emphysema. The hospital was in the mode of just letting nature take its course. I have watched a show on cable tv called Trauma in the ER and have often wondered what holistic things could be done with patients who are left to die like herbal applications such as cayenne for stimulus. Holistic approaches could counteract and ameliorate some of the processes going on. J. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 18, 1999 Effects of Hyperbaric Oxygen in Fungal infections " Candida Albicans " The growth of Candida Albicans in vitro is inhibited by prolonged exposure to Hyperbaric Oxygen. At 2.5 ata. This protocol was chosen to approximate the levels of oxygen found in tissues found in the tissues of patients treated with HBOT. Prolonged exposure to HBOT between 2.5 and 3 ata is funcidal for C. albican and several other Candida. There is strong evidence that Pneumocystis carinii is a fungus. P. carinii has low levels of antioxidant enzymes and is very susceptible to hyperoxia. A 10 minute exposure to hyperbaric in vitro appears to be lethal for this micoroganism. HBOT appears to represent means for treatment of this fungus where standard anti fungal agents have failed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 18, 1999 Most fungi are relatively anaerobic and high dosages of oxygen are very valuable. Remember oxygen is the natural antibiotic of the body. In leucocytes the oxygen molecule is given an additional electron to form superoxide radical and initiate the chain of events which leads to hydroxyl ion formation and microbial killing. Oxygen also reduces oedema and inflammation Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 19, 1999 Dear; , Since sending my message I took my wife for another HBOT, her 39th on Saturday and asked Dr. Stauch;, her hyperbaricist, about your request re the emphysema patient. Dr. Stauch says he has treated some emphysema patients and that they do respond. Again, he cautions that one mist be careful when " surfacing from the dive " , so as not to permit any air to get trapped. But Dr. Stuach says its feasible. Manson His E-mail is new but it is HBODOC@... So the friends can communicate directly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 20, 1999 PAT AND SUSAN RODRIGUEZ wrote: > > From: PAT AND SUSAN RODRIGUEZ <hyperbaric1@...> > > Effects of Hyperbaric Oxygen in Fungal > infections > " Candida Albicans " > How does one locate this therapy? Deb -- Debbie Mc mailto:lullwatr@... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 1999 Don't open this. It contains a virus that will affect your computer. Why was this sent, just after we were all warned not to open a HAPPY 99 exe message . Watch out. Just delete it. Was this really sent by ? I don't remember 's sign off to be like this? Isn't it usually PAT AND SUSAN RODRIGUEZ? Maybe my brain fog is especially active today, but what I do remember is a warning as early as yesterday or the day before not to open a HAPPY 99 exe. file. Sandy >From: " " <hyperbaric1@...> >Reply-oxyplusonelist >Subject: Re: HBOT >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:00:54 -0700 (PDT) > >From: " " <hyperbaric1@...> > ><< Happy99.exe >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Are you hogging all the fun? >http://www.ONElist.com >Friends tell friends about ONElist! >--------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self- help subjects. > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > >This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > >You can subscribe/unsubscribe via e-mail by sending AN e-mail to the following address >DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE > oxyplus-subscribeonelist - subscribe to a list. > oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist - unsubscribe from a list. > oxyplus-digestonelist - switch your subscription to digest mode. > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 1999 Greetings!! we Are located at 1455 N Waterman Ave San Bernardino, CA ph. 909-889-7626 Feel Free to call me anytime Sincerely Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 1999 I HAVE READ IN THE LAST FEW DAYS THAT HAPPY 99 exe. CONTAINS A SERIOUS VIRUS. UNFORTUNATELY, MY BRAIN FOG HAS DELETED THE LOCATION, WHETHER IT WAS ON THIS LIST OR THE OXYLIST. DON'T OPEN IT!!!!!!!! SUSAN, I AM ACCUSTOMED TO SEEING YOUR SIGN OFF AS PAT & SUSAN RODRIGUEZ. IS THIS ONE REALLY YOURS, OR AM I BEING UNNECESSARILY PARANOID? IN ANY CASE, THAT POST SAID, DON'T OPEN IT. JUST DELETE BY PRESSING CONTROL AND SOMETHING ELSE, SO THAT IT DOESN'T STAY IN THE COMPUTER. DOES ANYONE KNOW??? SANDY >From: " " <hyperbaric1@...> >Reply-oxyplusonelist >Subject: Re: HBOT >Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:00:54 -0700 (PDT) > >From: " " <hyperbaric1@...> > ><< Happy99.exe >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >Are you hogging all the fun? >http://www.ONElist.com >Friends tell friends about ONElist! >--------------------------------------------------------------------- --- >OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self- help subjects. > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > >This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > >You can subscribe/unsubscribe via e-mail by sending AN e-mail to the following address >DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE > oxyplus-subscribeonelist - subscribe to a list. > oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist - unsubscribe from a list. > oxyplus-digestonelist - switch your subscription to digest mode. > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 1999 UpDate!! Our triplets that we are treating, 5 Yrs old, Two of them being non Verbal, Are now saying the following words, Yea, Want Bite, Good night, MA, Five, and bless you, Trully a miracle from GOd, Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 1999 Dear , You are infected with the Happy99.exe virus You need to run a good anti-virus program such as Norton's. Regards, Noel. Noel 89 Royal Parade P O Box 137 Parkville VIC 3052 Australia Telephone 03 9347 8444 International 613 9347 8444 Fax 03 9347 8850 International 613 9347 850 Email noelc@... Home Page www.smile.org.au Sapere Aude: Dare to be wise. All truth goes through three stages. First it is ridiculed Then it is violently opposed Finally it is accepted as self evident. Schopenhauer. Re: HBOT << File: Happy99.exe >> From: " " <hyperbaric1@...> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 1999 I do not understand HOW that got there, Is it following me everywhere?? HELP susan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 21, 1999 Don't read too much into " who?, what?, why?! It's around! I've picked it up lately on several usenet and list groups. Be Aware, Be cautious. Delete it. Run a virus pgm occassionally. Nevermind moralizing, etc. This is life, deal with it. Chuck On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:14:56 PDT, " sandy green " <details51@...> wrote: >From: " sandy green " <details51@...> > >Don't open this. It contains a virus that will affect your computer. >Why was this sent, just after we were all warned not to open a >HAPPY 99 exe message . Watch out. Just delete it. Was this really >sent by ? I don't remember 's sign off to be like this? >Isn't it usually PAT AND SUSAN RODRIGUEZ? Maybe my brain fog is >especially active today, but what I do remember is a warning as early >as yesterday or the day before not to open a HAPPY 99 exe. file. > >Sandy > > >>From: " " <hyperbaric1@...> >>Reply-oxyplusonelist >>Subject: Re: HBOT >>Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 00:00:54 -0700 (PDT) >> >>From: " " <hyperbaric1@...> >> >><< Happy99.exe >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- >>Are you hogging all the fun? >>http://www.ONElist.com >>Friends tell friends about ONElist! >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- >>OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, >and other alternative self- help subjects. >> >>THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! >> >>This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find >here are for information and research purposes only. We are people >sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you >do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common >sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By >joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR >yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a >medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care >provider. >> >>You can subscribe/unsubscribe via e-mail by sending AN e-mail to the >following address >>DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE >> oxyplus-subscribeonelist - subscribe to a list. >> oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist - unsubscribe from a list. >> oxyplus-digestonelist - switch your subscription to digest >mode. >> oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal >mode. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Looking for the perfect gift for a friend? >http://www.ONElist.com >Tell them about ONElist's 115,000 free e-mail communities! >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self- help subjects. > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > >This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > >You can subscribe/unsubscribe via e-mail by sending AN e-mail to the following address >DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE > oxyplus-subscribeonelist - subscribe to a list. > oxyplus-unsubscribeonelist - unsubscribe from a list. > oxyplus-digestonelist - switch your subscription to digest mode. > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. never fight in the mud with a pig... You both get dirty but the Pig enjoys it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 28, 1999 This just in from Dr for children HYPERBARIC OXYGEN THERAPY FOR CEREBRAL PALSY CHILDREN Philip MB ChB, DIH, PhD, FFOM, Wolfson Hyperbaric Medicine Unit, The University of Dundee, Ninewells Medical School, Dundee DD1 9SY. To significantly increase the delivery of oxygen delivery to the tissues requires the use of hyperbaric conditions, that is, pressures greater than normal sea level atmospheric pressure. When tissue is damaged the blood supply within the tissue is also damaged and too little oxygen may be available for recovery to take place. Hyperbaric medicine is not taught in most medical schools and is often dismissed by doctors as " alternative " medicine, but it is drugs that are alternative. Some raise fears about toxicity but in prcatice this is not a problem. More is known about oxygen and its dosage than any pharmaceutical. There is no more important intervention than to give sufficient oxygen to correct a tissue deficiency but, unfortunately, oxygen is only given in hospital to restore normal levels in the blood. The increased pressure has no effect on the body, although the pressure in the middle ear and sinuses in adults has to be equalised. More oxygen may help many children with cerebral palsy, but it is NOT a cure. There are some obvious questions to be answered: When does the damage occur? Ultrasonic scanning of the brain has shown that in most children the events which cause the development of cerebral palsy (CP) occur at the time of birth, 1 although it may be many months before spasticity develops.2 Where does the damage occur? The areas affected in CP are in the middle of the hemispheres of the brain and one side or both sides may involved. These critical areas, called the internal capsules, are where the fibres from the controlling nerve cells in the grey matter of the brain pass down on their way to the spinal cord. In the spinal cord they interconnect with the nerve cells whose fibres activate the muscles of the legs and arms. Why does the damage occur? Unfortunately, the internal capsules have a poor blood supply, shown by the frequent occurence of damage to these areas in younger patients with multiple sclerosis and in strokes in the elderly by Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI). When any event causes lack of oxygen the blood vessels leak, the tissues become swollen and there may even be leakage of blood. The increased water content, termed oedema, reduces the transport of oxygen. This applies to any tissue, but especially to the brain where a sufficient quantity of oxygen is vital both to the function and, in children, its development. What causes paralysis and spasticity to develop? When the controlling nerve cells in the brain are disconnected from the spinal cord, the signals to the arms and legs cannot pass and the ability to move is lost. Eventually, because the nerve cells in the spinal cord are separated from the control of the brain, they send an excess of signals to the muscles, causing the uncontrolled contractions known as spasticity. The areas carrying the nerve fibres to the legs are the closest to the ventricles of the brain where the blood supply is poorest3 so the legs are the most commonly affected. The is called diplegia, to indicate that the problem is in the brain and distinguish it from paraplegia where the damage is in the spinal cord. Why is spasticity delayed? This is a crucial question that is, at present, not adequately explained or even raised. Children who develop spasticity often appear to develop normally for several months and then lose function gradually. Because in many children there is voluntary movement for a time after birth, the connections must still be intact. Why then are they lost allowing spasticity to develop? The answer almost certainly is due to the failure of the coverings of the nerve fibres, known as myelin sheaths, to develop. This evidence has come from MRI.2 Myelin sheaths envelop the nerve fibres like a Swiss roll in order to increase the speed of impulse transmission. Myelination normally begins about a month before birth and progresses to completion by the age of two. If there is tissue swelling in the mid-brain the delicate cells that form myelin die and the nerve fibres, left exposed, slowly deteriorate with the ultimate development of spasticity. What may be possible? Loss of function in the brain can be either due to tissue swelling, which is reversible, or tissue destruction, which is not. The recoverable areas can now be identified by a technique called SPECT imaging. The initials stand for Single Photon Emission Computed Tomography. It can demonstrate blood flow which is linked to metabolism of the brain which is, of course, directly related to oxygen availability. By giving oxygen at the high dosages possible under hyperbaric conditions, areas which are not ''dead but sleeping'' can be identified. This phenomenon has been discussed for many years in stroke patients and authorities have even stated that the critical parameter is not blood flow it is oxygen delivery.4 Under normal circumstances, blood flow and oxygen delivery are inextricably coupled, but the use of hyperbaric conditions can change this situation. Tissue oedema and swelling may persist in, for example, joints, for many years and SPECT imaging has now revealed that this is true in the brain.5 Suggesting that more oxygen, that is additional oxygen supplied under hyperbaric conditions may be of value generates further questions: What does hyperbaric mean? It means a pressure greater than normal sea-level atmospheric pressure. Atmospheric pressure at sea-level varies with the weather and on a high pressure day more oxygen is available to the body. Aches and pains may be worse on a low pressure day because of the reduction of oxygen pressure. A hyperbaric chamber allows much more oxygen to be dissolved in the blood. An indication of the power of this technique is that at twice atmospheric pressure breathing pure oxygen the work of the heart is reduced by 20%. So much can be dissolved in the plasma that life is possible for a short time without red blood cells. The research behind the development of hyperbaric oxygen therapy has been undertaken by doctors involved in aviation, space exploration and diving. This critical information is not yet taught in our Medical Schools, despite many thousands of published articles including controlled studies in many conditions. How can cerebral palsy children be helped? Clearly the appropriate time to use of oxygen is at the start of a disease process, not after a delay of months or years. Nevertheless, a course of oxygen therapy sessions at increased pressure has been shown to resolve tissue swelling after the lapse of years. It works by constricting blood vessels and interrupting the vicious cycle where oxygen lack leads to tissue swelling, which then leads to further oxygen deficiency. Although formal studies have yet to be undertaken in children with cerebral palsy there is every reason to believe that exactly the same effect that is seen in stroke patients can occur. Also in children the brain is still developing and therefore the prospects for improvement are very much greater than in adults. Recovery of brain damage in children resulting from cardiac surgery has been documented using X ray scanning.6 Will oxygen therapy cure cerebral palsy? Hyperbaric oxygen therapy is not a miracle cure for children with cerebral palsy, it is simply a way of ensuring the most complete recovery possible. It should be used with exercise programmes, because lack of use in muscles and joints leads to changes that can only be reversed by exercise. Why are there no formal studies? Formal studies are now underway in the USA and Canada and the results of the pilot study in McGill University are now ready for publication. There is a first time for everything. Unfortunately most of the medical research in the UK is funded by the drug industry and the costs involved are enormous. As the use of oxygen cannot be patented, there is no way that the cost of trials could be recouped and no finance is available for the promotion of the therapy. Because of the great advances made in the use of drugs a climate has been created in which doctors are conditioned to expect a drug-based solution to every disease. Oxygen has been available in Medicine for over a hundred years so it is difficult to accept that it is not being used properly, but over 500 chambers are now operating in the USA and Japan, 1500 in Russia and a similar number in China. As is so often the case much of the original research was undertaken and published in the UK. In many diseases the cost of investigations is often a great deal more than the cost of providing hyperbaric oxygen therapy. MRI and SPECT imaging may allow the benefit to be demonstrated, but they are not in any way therapeutic. There is no better assessor of a child suffering from cerebral palsy than a parent or carer involved in day-to-day hands on care. Are there dangers ? The only risk with hyperbaric conditions properly supervised is to the ear drum, just as when aircraft - which are hyperbaric chambers - descend. There are limits to oxygen delivery, for example, the very high pressures used in diving can cause convulsions, but the Chinese have shown that epilepsy is actually treated by hyperbaric oxygen therapy at lower pressures. Ther is no evidence of either eye or lung toxicity at 1.5-1.75 atm abs. References 1. Pape KE, Wiggleworth JS. Haemorrhage, ischaemia and the perinatal brain. Clinics in developmental medicine. Nos. 69/70 Heinemann Medical Books, London, 1979. 2. Dubowitz LMS, Bydder GM, Mushin J. Developmental sequence of periventricular leukomalacia. Arch Dis Child 1985;60:349-55. 3. Takashima S, Tanaka K. Development of cerebrovascular architecture and its relationship to periventricular leukomalacia. Arch Neurol 1978;35:11-16. 4. Astrup J, Siesjo BK, Symon L. Thresholds in cerebral ischemia; the ischemic penumbra. Stroke 1981;12:723-25. 5. Neubauer RA, Gottlieb SF, Kagan RL. Enhancing idling neurones. Lancet 1990;336:542. 6. Muraoka R, Yokota M, Aoshima M, et al. Subclinical changes in brain morphology following cardiac operations as reflected by computed tomographic scans of the brain. J Thorac Cardiovasc Surg 1981;81:364-69. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 4, 2000 Abstracts from the Programme of the 13th International Congress on Hyperbaric Medicine. Kobe, Japan November 7 & ndash;12, 1999. 1. Neubauer R.A. Kagan R P. Hyperbaric Oxygenation for Cerebral Palsy and the Brain Injured Child. SPECT imaging supports the positive results reported from Canada and South America and indicate the need for further studies on the role of HBO in CP. With an appropriate protocol and timing, multiple disabilities in children may be alleviated or possibly aborted. 2. Shaowei J, Zhi Yi, Wiyyuan Z, et al. The Effect of HBO on Neonatal Hypoxic Encephalopathy. SPECT scans of 34 babies with hypoxic encephalopathy showed 46 foci of low perfusion and functional deficit in 31. 20 babies were compared with 11 controls. After 1 or 2 sessions of HBO there was a significant difference in perfusion of the treated and control groups (P <0.01). 3. Ming H, Jianhua G, Quinli C, et al. HBO on the Mental Development of the Newborn with Hypoxic Encephalopathy. 52 cases (28 newborns , 24 infants), treated between 1995 and 1998, compared with 48 controls (20 newborns, 20 infants) and all followed up 12 months later. The newborns received 10 treatments a day and infants 20 treatments. The newborn babies obviously did better than the infants (p<0.01). After 12 months the difference between newborn treated babies and the controls was significant (p<01). It is concluded that HBO has a long-term effect on newborns but little in infants. 4. Zhi Y, Jianxiang L, Shaowei J et al. HBO on the Hypoxic Encepalopathy of the Newborn. 48 babies treated with 10 daily treatments compared with 41 controls. In the treated babies there was a response in 94% but with routine treatment alone only 59% improved (P<0.05). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 2, 2000 Helen, I have had moments of clarity like you described, and yes that is when I get depressed or angry because I am able to think about all that I've lost. But as Reid and others have been saying, you have to also try to think of the things you've gained. This disease has changed us all and its a rotten thing to get, taking away so much of who you used to be. I wish I knew the words to help you, all I can say is I can relate. Unfortunately, I always relapse and the good times don't last long.So I don't have long to feel it. But I really think this HBOT treatment has helped you tremendously, and I believe and hope that your remission lasts forever, or at least for a very long time. I'm so happy to hear it is working. I think it is only natural to feel sad. I've often tried to explain my depression to my husband. It's like I'm grieving the lost of myself. Then I have a remission, get my hopes up, get angry, relapse and grieve all over again. This disease is devastating. You give me hope, your progress reports are so encouraging and make me think, I'll find a way to scrounge up the money and get the treatment. Thanks for keeping us informed. I hope the trip to Gettysburg isn't too much for you, I look forward to seeing you there, feeling good! Rejoice in your new found good feelings. All any of us can do is to live each day to the fullest. I wish I could help you more, but I do know others will respond and all the different opinions will help you. Hang in there, you are loved and that's better than a lot of people can say. Prayers & hugs, Vicki, Md Re: [ ] Please join FAIM >Hi All, > I need some feedback. Have any of you who have been so devastatingly >ill and then began to feel better feel kind of " down " and unsure what to do? >I am amazed that I am so confused, even depressed because I " feel " things >again. I see how many years have gone by. How much suffering there has been. >I am well aware that by no means am I well yet but to have a few weeks of up >time (for me) is so odd, unexpected. I am truly moved to tears yet I have >lost my job, friends, moved, been through surgeries unnecessarily, severe >pain both mentally and physically and so much more and it all feels like it >is hitting me right between my eyes now. Any of you psychologists, real or >homegrown know what I mean? If I am blessed to continue in a mostly good > " run, " how do I begin again? I know by taking one step at a time but I feel >so unsure, so vulnerable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted April 14, 2000 Hi Sheila and all who wonder, HBOT stands for Hyperbaric Oxygen treatment. It is an experimental treatment for Lyme disease. Spirochetes do not like oxygen, and the idea is that many very expensive treatments will bring them out from hiding and allow the antibiotics to zap them. Here is a web site that explains how they work for LD fairly well: http://www.lymealliance.org/Newsletter/news1/news1.html Hope this helps, glad you asked, there are probably many others than wondered about this. Hugs, Marta -----Original Message----- From: Sheila Darbyshire <sheila-e@...> >Hello All >Can someone explain to me what HBOT treatment is? >I see it mentioned occasionally can't figure it out. >Take care >Sheila Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 24, 2000 Hi , You are into an interesting area of experimentation. I'm glad it is working so well, and look forward to hearing more. I just wanted to respond to and amplify a little on a couple of things. >>>>> The chamber I am using only develops an additional 3 lbs/sq inch of pressure which is approximately equal to a 5 to 7 foot dive. Detractors say that this is not " enough " pressure to do anything. My thinking of why this milder pressure should be helpful is based on my experience with diving (back when I had a life). The greatest gas compression and most dramatic effects occur in the first few feet of a dive. To illustrate, when you dive, its the most difficult to " equalize " (clear your ears and mask squeeze) in the first few feet down. Once you can equalize at 10 feet, anything deeper is a piece of cake. So my thinking is that it wouldn't take much extra pressure to dramatically change the amount of oxygen that is forced into the tissues. (a quick look at Boyle's law shows that you get the most " bang for the buck " in the first 10 feet of a dive) While I have been monitoring my pulse ox inside and outside the chamber, this is not the only factor. This is just the only factor I can objectively measure on my own. I think the greatest benefit from HBOT is from SERUM oxygen. Under normal atmospheric pressure, the body only carries oxygen in red blood cells (RBCs), and little or no oxygen is DISSOLVED or carried in the serum. Boyle's law (physics) tells us that the greater pressure you put on air over a liquid, the more of that gas becomes dissolved in the liquid (Like the pressure inside a soda bottle, you don't see any bubbles until you release the pressure by opening the bottle and the gas bubbles out of solution). <<<<<<< [Jerry] Serum-dissolved oxygen would reach tissues that RBC-carried O2 wouldn't, but there is so much more RBC-carried O2 available that serum-dissolved is almost inconsequential. Also, RBC-carried O2 will dissolve into the serum on an ongoing basis as the RBCs circulate. <<<<< So by going in the hyperbaric chamber, you put more pressure on the oxygen, which forces more of it into your serum. As we have discussed on this list before, just because your RBCs are carrying oxygen doesn't mean it actually gets into your tissues. Firstly, you may not have the proper blood pH to disassociate the oxygen from the RBC. Secondly, your RBCs may not be " flexible " enough to bend as they need to get through small capillaries. Thirdly, as Berg talks about in his hypercoagulation theory, the vessels may be coated with fibrin so that even if you do have flexible RBCs, they won't be flexible enough to get through these narrowed vessels. Serum carrying oxygen would have none of these problems. In a hyperbaric situation the oxygen is dissolved in the serum and there is no dissociation to worry about, the oxygen touches the cell and is taken in by the cell. The cells will " gobble up " the oxygen so fast that there is no worry about the oxygen bubbling out of solution when the pressure is released when you come out of the chamber. (When divers get " bent " it is the NITROGEN bubbling out of solution (their blood) that causes the bends, oxygen is gobbled up at to fast a rate to be a problem on anything shorter than a 24 hour dive. There is no worries about nitrogen either in a mild chamber. Because a mild chamber is only equal to about a 5 to 7 foot dive, a quick look at the dive tables tells us that you can dive just about forever at this level and not get " bent " ) >>>>>> [Jerry] It isn't the pressure that causes bends, but the fact that the pressure is being reduced. When nitrogen and oxygen are breathed at high pressure, they will dissolve in plasma. But only when the pressure is reduced do they come out as bubbles. They can stay dissolved forever if you stay at high pressure (but nitrogen narcosis, a separate problem, becomes a factor.) <<<<<<One of the most intriguing papers I read about HBOT was about tissue partial pressures. It turns out that the partial pressure of oxygen in many people is virtually zero. After 2 weeks of daily HBOT, tissue partial pressures built up dramatically. This is aparently NOT due to O2 dissolved in serum because these greater partial pressures were still evident 2 years later!!! >>>>>> [Jerry] The tissue partial pressure of 0 is an indication that O2 is being consumed as fast as it is delivered. Anything that gets more O2 there will help overcome this and make the partial O2 pressure go up. The 'anything' can be more RBCs, better pH control, changes in levels of 2,3-DPG, lower clotting activity (thinner blood), or more flexible RBCs. <<<<<I was a bit worried about increasing Reactive Oxygen Species (ROS - or singlet oxygen) while using plain oxygen and/or HBOT. ROS is what causes oxidative damage. but I've read several papers and as far as I can tell, its not OXYGEN that increases ROS but the LACK OF OXYGEN. The lack of oxygen (ischemia) causes the cells to go into a different form of energy production which makes lots of ROS. >>>>>>> [Jerry] ROS damage comes from metabolic activity, chiefly aerobic metabolism in the mitochondria, producing ROS; then these not getting cleaned up by vit C (in cytosol and plasma) or E (in membranes). If there is enough C and E, the ROS shouldn't be a problem. Jerry ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2000 Why don't you contact Rodgiguez in San Bernadino? That isn't very far from SD. She runs Rapid Recovery Hyperbarics there. http://www.hbot4u.com/ Not only is she one of us, so you'll know you'll get the kind of care you're looking for. But, her center has one of the lowest prices in the country for HBOT. jim SF wrote: > > Doea anyone know of a place in San Diego that does > HBOT. > ----- For every human problem, there is a neat, simple solution; and it is always wrong -- H.L. Mencken jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2000 usually standard for TBI, or PN, but not writen in stone. with stroke or cp and or any brain injury, usually the number is 40, according to Dr and Dr Harch Re: HBOT > wrote: > ><snip> > " come on out for 40 treatments, then tell me it does not work. >> " > >Is 40 treatments the standard number for degenerative conditions, or was 40 >the number you would advise for that person's particular situation? > >Greg > > > >OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > >This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > >You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - >DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 16, 2000 wrote: <snip> " come on out for 40 treatments, then tell me it does not work. > " Is 40 treatments the standard number for degenerative conditions, or was 40 the number you would advise for that person's particular situation? Greg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 17, 2000 Hi , Have you had any cystic fibrosis or muscular dystrophy patients do HBOT? Thanks Dick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 17, 2000 _________________________________ Hyperbaric Therapy Could Help Diabetics By A. Steeves WebMD Medical News May 24, 2000 (Dallas/Fort Worth) -- Two months ago, a surgeon told Thelma Bell that wounds on her right foot had progressed to gangrene and she was facing amputation. She'd already lost two toes because of nerve and circulatory damage caused by diabetes. But last week, Bell's wounds were nearly healed, and the tissue on her foot appeared pink and healthy. Doctors now say her foot and leg will be saved, and once she is fitted with a special shoe, she should be able to walk normally. Bell escaped the fate of the estimated 86,000 people each year who have lower limb amputations because of diabetic complications; they account for half of all leg and foot removals performed annually in the U.S. Her outcome was different because of wound care aided by hyperbaric oxygen therapy, says Stone, DO, MPH. Stone, director of the hyperbaric medicine unit at the Institute for Exercise and Environmental Medicine (IEEM), is studying whether use of the therapy can reduce diabetic amputations. " One of my questions has been the role of hyperbarics in diabetic wounds, " he tells WebMD. He received a $208,000 grant from the American Diabetes Association (ADA) to investigate the method. Patients are put in a large, submarine-like chamber and don a clear plastic hood into which 100% oxygen is pumped. This increases the amount of oxygen in their blood, which in turn helps generate growth of vessels, says Stone, who also is a physician with the Wound Care Clinic of North Texas, part of Presbyterian Hospital of Dallas. Vessel growth is crucial for diabetics because they have circulatory problems due to blocked arteries and capillaries. They also have nerve problems, called sensatory neuropathy, so they often can't feel cuts on their feet. " I've had patients come in with a nail in a foot and not know it, " Stone says. Once an injury occurs, it may not heal if there's not enough oxygen-enriched blood reaching the area. Often, as in Bell's case, the wound may fester until the only option is amputation, at a cost of about $40,000 per case. For military veterans alone, this results in about 9,000 amputations annually at a total cost for surgery, hospitalization, medical care, and rehabilitation of $341 million, according to the Department of Veterans Affairs. Diabetics are 15 to 40 times more likely to have a leg amputated than someone not suffering from the disease. Diabetics and others also must cope with hardening of the arteries, a condition usually treated by angioplasty, bypass, or stent placement. But there also are microvascular changes -- clogged capillaries that occur in the feet of many diabetics. " I think it's these folks that are helped by hyperbarics, " Stone says. " It's important to point out that hyperbarics is not a panacea. It isn't. There are many other things we do first such as check for infection, seeing if we can get weight off the foot, if we can control edema, help with proper nutrition, including glycemia control. " Bell says she was lucky and credits Stone and his staff at IEEM, a joint project of Presbyterian and UT Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas. " When they found the gangrene in March, I thought that they just took you out in the field and shot you, " Bell jokes. " But now my surgeon says that my foot has been saved. " So far, Stone has treated about 30 diabetes patients under the ADA grant. He wants to treat a total of 100 to 120 people in the double-blind study, in which neither medical personnel nor patients know whether the participant is receiving pure oxygen or regular air during their 90 minutes to two hours in the chamber. Hyperbaric medicine is not new. It has been used since the 1940s to treat decompression sickness from scuba diving, carbon monoxide poisoning, and chronic bone infections. For the past 35 years, it also has been used for healing wounds. Stone also previously used it for patients with diabetes, but this is the first time a double-blind study has been done to determine if the treatment is effective enough to significantly reduce amputations resulting from diabetic ischemic foot ulcers, or wounds not getting sufficient oxygenated blood for healing. In an earlier retrospective study, Stone and his colleagues looked at results for 1,633 patients treated for wounds over 33 months. Of those, 501 were diabetic; 119 received hyperbaric oxygen therapy and the rest received conventional treatment. They found that the limb salvage rate was 72% for those on pure oxygen and only 53% for the rest. Stone cautions that this was not a controlled study, so not a true measure of the effectiveness of hyperbarics in reducing amputation. Ben Gallegos, administrator of the hyperbarics unit at Medical City Dallas Hospital, says that though they haven't conducted an official study of the use of the therapy in diabetics, they have had great success in using it against gangrene. Medical City is the only other facility besides Presbyterian in the Dallas area that has a multichamber hyperbaric unit. Unger, MD, who is not involved in the ADA study, also expressed caution. He is director of the Touchstone Diabetes Center at UT Southwestern Medical Center at Dallas, and a diabetes clinician at the Dallas Veterans Affairs Medical Center. " We have sent patients for hyperbaric treatment, " says Unger, a member of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS). " Diabetic foot ulcers and amputation is a terrible problem, and almost anything you do fails. " At this point, no one knows how effective hyperbaric treatment is, so it's important to do such a study. We've seen temporary improvement from hyperbarics, but it's hard to tell whether it's because of that therapy or because other treatment the patient is receiving is focused on the wound, " Unger says. , MD, former chief of endocrinology at UT Southwestern who has treated numerous cases of diabetic wounds and amputation at Parkland Health and Hospital System, also expresses skepticism but commends IEEM for doing the study. " We need effective therapies, and I'm enthusiastic that the ADA is funding such research, " says , also an NAS member. " It's very important that hyperbaric medicine be studied because its effectiveness for most of its applications has never been scientifically investigated. " Stone says that in the retrospective study, they found that patients accepted for hyperbarics had larger wounds, more wounds, and were more likely to have been recommended for amputation than the rest of the people receiving wound care. " Interestingly, 31% of the hyperbaric group had been recommended for amputation versus 19% of those who did not have hyperbarics, " he says. " Based on this, we applied for the ADA grant. " Hyperbarics is important. It's just one of the things done to treat wounds. The majority of patients don't need hyperbarics. My average patient presents with a wound that has been there 11.8 months. I think the key in many of these cases is a multidisciplinary approach. ... We need to better define which patients will respond to hyperbarics. " © 2000 Healtheon/WebMD. All rights reserved. Re: Re: HBOT > >Hi , > >Have you had any cystic fibrosis or muscular dystrophy patients do HBOT? > >Thanks > >Dick > > >OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > >This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > >You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - >DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 17, 2000 Of course the lungs would need to be checked, and the MD is ok as long as the chest and torso muscles are ok to exhale and inhale, I would have the MD look at the patient. Re: Re: HBOT > >Hi , > >Have you had any cystic fibrosis or muscular dystrophy patients do HBOT? > >Thanks > >Dick > > >OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and other alternative self-help subjects. > >THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE! > >This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find here are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do so at your own risk. Self-help requires intelligence, common sense, and the ability to take responsibility for your own actions. By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself. Do not use any ideas found here without consulting a medical professional, unless you are a researcher or health care provider. > >You can unsubscribe via e-mail by sending A NEW e-mail to the following address - NOT TO THE OXYPLUS LIST! - >DO NOT USE REPLY BUTTON & DO NOT PUT THIS IN THE SUBJECT LINE or BODY of the message! : > > oxyplus-unsubscribeegroups > > oxyplus-normalonelist - switch your subscription to normal mode. > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 18, 2000 > >Hi , > > > >Have you had any cystic fibrosis or muscular dystrophy patients do HBOT? > > > >Thanks > > > >Dick wrote: > > Of course the lungs would need to be checked, and the MD is ok as long as > the chest and torso muscles are ok to exhale and inhale, I would have the MD > look at the patient. > Does that mean the answer to my question is no? Dick Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
