Colostrum

[Guest guest]

Judie said that she took 3 a day for 5 years, then one a day for the

last year. Yes, she did go from a small A when we were married to a

C now. She was getting a lot of other good nutrition and was kept

balanced via the Reams test numbers.

Right now she is taking Pure Encapsulations EPO which has 530 mg.

I think she used to take another brand, possibly Key Company EPO.

I think she responded to the good nutrition so well because she

was serious about getting healthy. She was not healthy when I

first met her. Now, at 40, she gets mistaken for a student when

she visits the middle school!! People say she is getting younger

looking every year. Wish the nutrition worked that well on me!

jp

Actually, it is pretty common knowledge in herb circles. How much has she

taken daily to get the results she got.

Donna

-----Original Message-----

Believe me, I don't make up these crazy things. I just

have a mind to remember trivia, and have been exposed to

a lot of stuff in the world of nutrition. File this one under B, or

under S for " side-effects " .

[Guest guest]

Judie said that she took 3 a day for 5 years, then one a day for the

last year. Yes, she did go from a small A when we were married to a

C now. She was getting a lot of other good nutrition and was kept

balanced via the Reams test numbers.

Right now she is taking Pure Encapsulations EPO which has 530 mg.

I think she used to take another brand, possibly Key Company EPO.

I think she responded to the good nutrition so well because she

was serious about getting healthy. She was not healthy when I

first met her. Now, at 40, she gets mistaken for a student when

she visits the middle school!! People say she is getting younger

looking every year. Wish the nutrition worked that well on me!

jp

Actually, it is pretty common knowledge in herb circles. How much has she

taken daily to get the results she got.

Donna

-----Original Message-----

Believe me, I don't make up these crazy things. I just

have a mind to remember trivia, and have been exposed to

a lot of stuff in the world of nutrition. File this one under B, or

under S for " side-effects " .

[Guest guest]

Hi Ruth,

My baby is allergic to milk protein; won't he react to Colostrum?

Connie

>From: Ruth Reul <ruthannreul@...>

>Reply-candidiasis

>candidiasis

>Subject: Re: MMR Vaccination - Wakefield, M.D.

>Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 08:55:05 -0800 (PST)

>

>

> Hi, I've said before " leaky gut " can be helped by the Colostrum FM check

>out www.ghtdirect.com/20002 read about the product Colostrum FM it's worth

>a look.Ruth

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Yes, I've seen some improvement with Symbiotic's New Life Colostrum+Plus but

not with their standard Colostrum or their " IG " or " Immune 6 " products. The

product has improved my reaction to the HGH injections and improved GI

function. Your taking it the right way. To be most effective it should be

taken in both capsule form orally and sublingually with the powdered form or

the capsules can be opened up. Steve B.

>From: " Klaas & Anne " <klaas & maryanne@...>

>Reply-

>< >

>Subject: Colostrum

>Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2001 12:08:27 -0800

>

>I've been using colostrum capsules and powder for the past year (Symbiotics

>brand) and would like to know if anyone else has any experiences to share.

>The improvements that I have seen are gastrointestinal (IBS), moods and

>iron

>levels. Previous to using colostrum, I was anemic and even with iron

>supplements, my levels never rose much. Now they are in the proper range.

>I want to clarify that I can't prove in any way that these improvements

>were

>caused by colostrum, but other than using a good quality multivitamin and a

>fortified vitamin C drink, I haven't taken any other supplements during

>this

>time. I will say that when I first started using the colostrum, after the

>intial period of feeling quite phlegmy and coughing, etc., I had a rapid

>rise in energy levels, but after about 3 months, that went down and since

>then I haven't seen any improvement. So, it hasn't really helped with my

>energy or my muscle pain, but getting rid of IBS and severe abdominal pain,

>crappy mood swings and anemia, is worth the cost of this product, to me.

>

>

> Anne

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Interesting, because I am now trying to find out what is causing

anemia (discovered through blood testing this year). I took

Laktoferrin w/colostrum a few years ago when Cheney recommended it,

but on the next visit he switched me to Laktoferrin exclusively -

said something about there being no need to waste money on colostrum,

all lactoferrin was better for some reason (any Cheney patients with

similar experience?) I have never tested low on iron/ferritin/red

blood cells, etc., in the past, but as usual, there are several

variables in the mix, so it's one of those mysteries that has to be

tracked down through further testing...

> I've been using colostrum capsules and powder for the past year

(Symbiotics

> brand) and would like to know if anyone else has any experiences to

share.

> The improvements that I have seen are gastrointestinal (IBS), moods

and iron

> levels. Previous to using colostrum, I was anemic and even with

iron

> supplements, my levels never rose much. Now they are in the proper

range.

> I want to clarify that I can't prove in any way that these

improvements were

> caused by colostrum, but other than using a good quality

multivitamin and a

> fortified vitamin C drink, I haven't taken any other supplements

during this

> time. I will say that when I first started using the colostrum,

after the

> intial period of feeling quite phlegmy and coughing, etc., I had a

rapid

> rise in energy levels, but after about 3 months, that went down and

since

> then I haven't seen any improvement. So, it hasn't really helped

with my

> energy or my muscle pain, but getting rid of IBS and severe

abdominal pain,

> crappy mood swings and anemia, is worth the cost of this product,

to me.

>

>

> Anne

[Guest guest]

<< So it's not for everybody and you shouldn't get your hopes up.

>>

I second that, did nothing for me either

Christel

[Guest guest]

What TF are you taking?

Carole

[Guest guest]

Hey all..

I think that we are all different and as with anything not everything helps

everyone... on the subject of colustrum I think that you have to make sure of

the amount of the actual count of the colustrom as well as where it came

from.. We have had great success with using colustrom for building up our

immune systems and have had the same with the setting clinically..

But as with all things not everything is for everyone*

Robin

[Guest guest]

I've been taking Transfer Factor, a type of colostrum, that seems to be

helping my energy and appetite, but I don't digest it well at all and

get a terrible stomach ache. I'm wondering how much actual milk goes

into the colostrum. Does anyone know if there is a type of colostrum

designed for people with milk sensitivities?

It doesn't seem to matter if I take it before a meal or after a meal. I

take it with plenty of fluid as the directions say. Any ideas?

Thanks,

Marsha

[Guest guest]

I am a regular lurker and have been reading the mails re colostrum, but can

anyone supply more info.

Is this straight from the animal and/or tablet form and what animal -

cow/goat?

Is it treated in any way - heated or screened for parasite stages?

Does is contain hormones that might be harmful for, say a woman with a close

family history of breast cancer the way milk/dairy can be?

Human colostrum/milk contains live antibodies and could possibly pass on the

HIV virus. Makes you wonder what could be lurking in its animal

counterpart? Scary, scary.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Christiana, You might try doing some web research on it. That would clear

up all your fears. A good place to start is www.immunetree.com But just type

in colostrum and search and you will find wonderful information on it.

Blessings.

Donna

----- Original Message -----

I am a regular lurker and have been reading the mails re colostrum, but can

anyone supply more info.

Is this straight from the animal and/or tablet form and what animal -

cow/goat?

Is it treated in any way - heated or screened for parasite stages?

Does is contain hormones that might be harmful for, say a woman with a close

family history of breast cancer the way milk/dairy can be?

Human colostrum/milk contains live antibodies and could possibly pass on the

HIV virus. Makes you wonder what could be lurking in its animal

counterpart? Scary, scary.

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[Guest guest]

hi. i was wondering if you know how to get of the cfs group mailing list. my

attempts so far have been unsuccessful. thanks.

drew

Marsha Gentry <mgentry@...> wrote: I've been taking Transfer Factor, a

type of colostrum, that seems to be

helping my energy and appetite, but I don't digest it well at all and

get a terrible stomach ache. I'm wondering how much actual milk goes

into the colostrum. Does anyone know if there is a type of colostrum

designed for people with milk sensitivities?

It doesn't seem to matter if I take it before a meal or after a meal. I

take it with plenty of fluid as the directions say. Any ideas?

Thanks,

Marsha

[Guest guest]

Yes. Go to the link below and then click on " Leave Group " which

is over to the right side.

/

>

> hi. i was wondering if you know how to get of the cfs group

mailing list. my attempts so far have been unsuccessful. thanks.

> drew

[Guest guest]

Hi . Replies in text below.

colostrum

Thanks for such and informative reply to my inquiry.

### You are welcome. ###

I think the sources you quoted if not exactly right are right enough to

recommend this treatment.

### I copied them exactly as they appeared in the book and thougt some of them

looked odd to me also. But some medical journals have simple names. ###

I wonder if colostrum is one of those things that helps people that are

relatively stable and able to do some exercise more that it helps folks who are

on a down hill slide and have serious immune problems or other medical issues.

### I was very far from stable when I learned about colostrum. I was mostly

in bed and unable to exercise at all. People would recommend aerobic exercise

and I would say, you don't understand, Just standing up is an aerobic exercise

for me. My heart would go into a high pace just standing up to go to the

fridge. My experience is that just the opposite of what you said above is true.

The worse off you are, the more benefit you notice. People who are extremely

healthy might not notice much of anything. But sick people notice alot. ###

I just think that we should be careful in using words like " exactly " other

wise we may tend to over state our case.

### I am thinking you must mean when I said that the growth hormone in bovine

colostrum is identical to human growth hormone. That is an accurate statement

and if I can find the place where I read that I will post it here for you. The

only difference they said, was in the quantity. It was much more potent in

bovine than in human. ###

But thanks for the information and I have read a rather serious review of the

literature, in a muscle building magazine of all places, that demonstrated the

kind of results that you are talking about. So it sounds like a good thing to

try. Sometimes I wonder if improvements made on some of the very expensive TFs

on the market are due more to the effects of colostrum than the immunity factor

that are touted so often. But my middle name is so I am always doubting

something.

### Cute. I don't blame you for being skeptical. I have avoided the transfer

factor products because I just have had the experience that I do better on whole

products. I personally think God is really smart, smarter than people and I

suspect that the whole product, which He made is probably going to work better

for me than one where people have extracted certain items that they thing are

important. Probably offended some people with that statement. Sorry. ###

cheers

Steve

### Cheers back at ya.

Donna ###

[Guest guest]

Donna, I would also be interested in seeing the info that the growth

hormone in bovine colostrum is identical to human growth hormone.

I'm not doubting what you have read, but how does one get *human*

growth hormone froma bovine product?

Mike

> ### I am thinking you must mean when I said that the growth

hormone in bovine colostrum is identical to human growth hormone.

That is an accurate statement and if I can find the place where I

read that I will post it here for you. The only difference they

said, was in the quantity. It was much more potent in bovine than in

human. ###

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[Guest guest]

Ohhhhh You guys are making me work so hard. Fake frown here. Smile.

Okay, this is what I found on page 38

The growth factors found in colostrum include epithelial growth factor (EgF),

insulin-like growth factor-l and ll (IgF-l and ll),

Fibroblast Growth Factor (Fgf),

Platelet-Derived Growth Factor (PDGF),

transforming grwoth factors A and B (TgF A and

and growth hormne (GH).

All fo these help stimulate cellular and tissue growth. a 1989 study published

in Comparative Biochemical Physiology pointed out that the high levels of

growtgh factors found in bovine colosgtrum promote cell growth by stimulating

the formation of DNA, which is essential to the survival of every cell in the

body.

pg 39

Some companies now market genetically engineered versions of both IgF-l and GH

and use them in healing, muscle-building, and anti-aging therapies as well as

AIDS treatments. These factors were first identified and isolated by studying

bovine colostrum. Since that time, several studies, including a 1991 British

report, have concluded that the growth factore IgF-l found in bovine colostrum

is molecularly identical to the IgF-l produced naturally in the human body.

This means that individuals taking colostrum will experience all the benefits

the Igf-l provides to the body, without encountering any negative side effects.

In additon, bovine colostrum is the natureal source with the highest

concentrations of Igf-l.

end of quote

So, I am thinking this is the quote I remembered and in fact it does not say

that the growth hormone in colostrum is that same. Although I believe it is.

BUT, since the action of growth hormone in the body is to make Igf-l which is

what does all the work in the body attributed to growth hormone, like muscle

building, Igf-l is the real work horse. That is why some people have opted to

bypass the gh and go directly to the igf-l, like with the deer antler velvet

product that is a high igf-l product. So if you are doing gh injections, you

are really afte the effect of igf-l which the gh produces.

And I can tell you that I did gh injections for 6 months and never say the

benefits that I saw from colostrum in the same time.

Blessings.

Donna

Re: colostrum

Donna, I would also be interested in seeing the info that the growth

hormone in bovine colostrum is identical to human growth hormone.

I'm not doubting what you have read, but how does one get *human*

growth hormone froma bovine product?

Mike

> ### I am thinking you must mean when I said that the growth

hormone in bovine colostrum is identical to human growth hormone.

That is an accurate statement and if I can find the place where I

read that I will post it here for you. The only difference they

said, was in the quantity. It was much more potent in bovine than in

human. ###

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discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

hi ,

very behind on list due illness but wanted to say i have been on colostrum:

first milking by sedona labs: minimium 25% Ig guarnteed, taken from healthy

cows who are pesticide, hormonal and antibiotic free.

i have major allergy and digestive promblems why my health care person

suggested it . label on bottle Dose 1 tsp daily but i am on half of that as

beyond that at one tsp i experianced within a minute , facial redness and

massive itching but no rash due massive vasodialtion .(told)

i have been on it three months but taking it on faith . My immune system

tends to be hyper but hard to tell due to this horrible allergey season and

all its side effects.

i have no reaction on half normal dose .

somsih

[Guest guest]

somish,

Have you tried another brand?

Beck

somish@... wrote:

> hi ,

> very behind on list due illness but wanted to say i have been on colostrum:

> first milking by sedona labs: minimium 25% Ig guarnteed, taken from healthy

> cows who are pesticide, hormonal and antibiotic free.

> i have major allergy and digestive promblems why my health care person

> suggested it . label on bottle Dose 1 tsp daily but i am on half of that as

> beyond that at one tsp i experianced within a minute , facial redness and

> massive itching but no rash due massive vasodialtion .(told)

> i have been on it three months but taking it on faith . My immune system

> tends to be hyper but hard to tell due to this horrible allergey season and

> all its side effects.

> i have no reaction on half normal dose .

> somsih

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi . Chlorella was one of the things I used in the beginning that really

made a huge difference for me, and it wasn't even the expensive stuff. It was

NOW Foods brand. But it really helped me alot. I took it daily for six or

eight years and then I seemed to not do well on it. this is not uncommon.

Generally, from what I have read, anything that you do daily for years on end

will eventually become an allergen.

Anyway, I did not do chlorella and colostrum at the same time because I didn't

learn about colostrum until about a year after I was no longer doing chlorella,

but I bet, for the average person there would be benefit.

I have yet to see anything that works the same for everyone. Different people

get different benefits at different levels from pretty much everything because

our biology is as diverse as our finger prints. Basically the same and yet so

different.

Blessings

Donna

But if you try both, please let us know how it goes.

Colostrum

All of the recent discussions of GH, GH-1, and GF's in colostrum make me

wonder where chlorella comes into play in all this debate as it was said

recently on this site that chlorella was even mentioned at a recent HIV

conference in being good for HIV patients or something like that and that it

was very high in GF's? Sorry for my bad recollection of the facts but this

is why I am bringing it up. I guess I'm wondering if taking chlorella and

colostrum would be complementary to one another.

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

I remember that one...Thaaaank you! [ ] Colostrum Here is Janie's first post about Colostrum back in July. I know she won't mind my reposting it. There are more. Just search "DougJanie" and all her posts will come up. I live in Texas also. I've had hep.C for at least eighteen years and have been on treatment which did not work. For me herbs did not work except for milk thistle. I was at death's door literally when I came off of treatment. The doctor advised finding treatingments on the internet, there was nothing he could do for me. I tried a lot of different things and for me the salvation came in Colostrum from Symbiotics and ONLY from Symbiotics. I tried other manufactures and all are not equal. I've been on it for two years now and I have NEVER felt so well. It is not expensive and it is strictly for the Immune system. At first I didn't believe the claims, but I had nothing to lose. I started it and in three days I could walk to the mailbox...that's how sick I was before. The mailbox is only at the end of my driveway. I put my family on it and everyone had a different testimony and they don't have hep. C. It got my friend out of a wheel chair and the doctors after all the biopsies on her foot and leg had no clue what was wrong with her. They could see the swelling, but nothing ever proved there was a problem. She was on ten different medications and nothing worked. Then she was given more medication to correct what the first medications were doing. I took her a bottle of Colostrum and told her I didn't know if it would work, but just try it. You can't overdose, it does not effect any medication you take. I give it to my cats and dog. I'd give it to babies. Colostrum is mother's milk...the first milk. This can not harm anyone. She no longer takes any medication and no longer needs the wheel chair. My son avoided knee surgery by using Colostrum. You've nothing to lose to try it. The reports others write in about on it are true. It is a miracle. My doctor said after seeing my blood work...REMARKABLE, he said it agreeing with the lab. Most so called healthy people don't have the results I have. Just go to NewLifeFoods.com and ask them for information. I don't work for them or sell for them...I'm just a believer because the proof is in the tests. Hope this helps in making your decision

[Guest guest]

Hi Mark - I will only use Symbiotics Colostrum. Especially after

reading the newspaper put out by the Center for Nutritional Research.

http://www.icnr.org/ I found the paper in a health food store. I

definitely believe you get what you pay for. (And I have the debt to

show it!) I'm sure you remember Janie's posts about Symbiotics and

how it is so much better than the others. Have a great day! God

bless. Karolyn

> Anyone used Swanson's Colostrum?

>

> Is it any good. How are Swanson's products. They seem to have alot

of stuff at a good price.

> That's If there products are good.

>

> Any feed back on there stuff?

>

> Sincerely,

> Mark Chiocchi

[Guest guest]

Karolyn,

I see what you mean, Swanson's products are really not that good at

all. Like I said in the pass how can you get a good Colostrum for 4

bucks a bottle. Your right you get what you pay for. There is no

other Colostrum that can mach the Colostrum that Symbiotics puts out.

And for us Hepper's we need the best not the best price.

I also learned that NOT to buy anything in tablet form.

Powders are the best and capsules would be next.

I wrote an email to the synergy-co asking them if it be possible of

getting a small sample of there Pure Synergy, Vita Synergy for men

and Pure Klamath Algae and they turned me down. They gave me buy it

if you like it, if you don't they will give your money back. I just

don't have the money to see if I like it. Anyway I will stay away

for the cheap Colostrum and stay with the best.

Sincerely,

Mark Chiocchi

[Guest guest]

Good, Mark. I know what you mean, though, about money. I was using a

really good green food called Functional Greens. It was really good,

had a lot of good stuff in it and cost $30 at a health food store,

which is not bad when compared to some of them. I only got it a

couple of times and stopped 'cause things were getting out of hand in

the $$ department. I was gonna bite the bullet and get some more, but

just found out that they are not producing it any more. I also know

what you mean about tablets - I hate them. the only good things I

take in tablet form are MSM and SamE. I made a mistake and bought a

health food store brand multi that turned out to be tablet. I won't

get it again. I'm pretty happy with everything I'm taking right now,

though I would add to it if I had more $. Best regards. Karolyn

[Guest guest]

I haven't yet, Ali, but I did find a site with, I think, liquid

colostrum, a couple of weeks ago that I want to try. Since the

colostrum directly works on the immune system, and it's a weakened

immune system that lets the candida overgrow, I think it makes sense.

I'll let you know when I get it and how it goes. I'm not expecting

to use it just for candida though. Basically, for overall health,

like my omega's, amino's and 5-htp.

> Anyone tried colostrum for their candida? I'd be interested to hear

what

> sort of results you got.

>

> Ali

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I'll be interested to hear how it goes! I'd like to try it also,

but I could already be taking enough supplements. I may ask at the health

shop. My concern would be to make sure that I get New Zealand-made

colostrum, as I know for sure that there would be no chance of

contamination from the cows. If the colostrum was sourced from European

bovine, for example, I would be too worried about the risk of mad cow disesase!

Ali

At 03:36 p.m. 17/12/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>I haven't yet, Ali, but I did find a site with, I think, liquid

>colostrum, a couple of weeks ago that I want to try. Since the

>colostrum directly works on the immune system, and it's a weakened

>immune system that lets the candida overgrow, I think it makes sense.