Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 I've got one of his books too. ----- Original Message ----- From: " R. Peek " <wendyhollander@...> <Rheumatoid Arthritis > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 11:29 PM Subject: Re: Anyone Watch he definately pushes joining his website (which I did). he assures that he is fighting for us to be able to get info about natural, non-invasive remedies to health issues without interference from the FDA. i believe him. he's a little radical I guess, but i like that he gets you thinking. i have read his book and it makes you really THINK about what you put into your body and how you spend your money. i'm just really curious what it is they said about him on 20/20? with the info he tells in his book, he'd HAVE to be public enemy #1 to the pharmaceutical industry and possibly the medical association and health insurance companies. i mean, just for the sake of conversation, what would it do to the multi-billion dollar pharmaceutical companies if natural remedies were available for most of our major (and minor) health problems? with that kind of money at stack, it makes sense that they would go to great lengths to protect it, including making natural remedies available only by prescription. --- In Rheumatoid Arthritis , Dorey <ddorey@s...> wrote: > > I haven't read his book, just seen parts of it but does it really tell you > anything, other than direct you to his pay monthly website? > > Dorey > www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " Joyce McCrary " <j.mccrary@2...> > <Rheumatoid Arthritis > > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:04 PM > > > Subject: Re: Anyone Watch > > > >I didn't turn TV on tonight. What did they say about him? > > > > Joyce from Texas > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: " frogge " <lilypadluxuries@g...> > > <Rheumatoid Arthritis > > > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:08 PM > > Subject: Anyone Watch > > > > > > 20/20 tonight?? Interesting info about Trudeau (sp)....and his > > Book he sells. (@@). > > > > Carla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Hi , here's the sad thing, I believe that natural remedys often do out perform medication for auto immune disorders......at least this is my experience. Sadly doctors are telling us otherwise and most of us want to believe our doctors know best because we trust them, they are more educated in health than we are. However from what I've heard of his book it just pushes his website and doesn't give much information that isn't readily available elsewhere. I suppose I should buy the book and read it before I speak though so I know better of what I am saying. Again I ask, how many times do you have your diet reviewed by your doctor? I know in my case the doctors I saw claimed that diet had nothing to do with RA, I didn't believe this, how can that be so, we put fuel in and if it's not sufficient we will not have the energy to support our active lives and this means something must give in the way of health. Illness developes over time and the likely cause is toxins and dietary deficiencies. Therefore treating with meds is a bandaid solution, which explains why the medications work for a time then a change is needed. Of course the more challenging method is to discover what caused the problem in the first place. Like fixing a car........if you don't find the cause of the trouble the problem will continue on and on. HOw many times have you changed a headlight 2 or 3 times only to realize that the battery posts on your battery are corroded and that's the cause of the burned out headlight. Who would think corrosion on a battery post will equal burned out headlights. We can do the same for our own bodies, review.......have you been careless in the past handling chemicals, (many times these chemicals get into your body and stay there), is your diet low in nutrition, do you get enough fibre, do you eat vegetables daily, take a supplement each day, drink clean, fresh water, take care to get enough sleep, effectively reduce stress in your life, get an hours sunlight each day, get to a healthy body weight, exercise to maintain muscle tone around those joints, feed your mind healthy thoughts.......all things that your body needs whether you are busy or not to maintain optimum health. Taking time for yourself seems like an indulgence, but, I argue, if we don't take time for ourselves now, who will take time for us after we lose our health, and why should anyone, we didn't value our own selves enough to. I guess in conclussion I'm saying, if Trudeau is making people think then this is a very good thing so I take back what I've said about his not giving information that isn't readily available....perhaps he's causing an awakening of thought............that's a very good thing. Remember, you and you alone know best what has happened in your life that might possibly be the clue to why you suffer now. Investigate, try to discover what has gone wrong. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: " R. Peek " <wendyhollander@...> <Rheumatoid Arthritis > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:29 PM Subject: Re: Anyone Watch > he definately pushes joining his website (which I did). he assures that > he is fighting for us > to be able to get info about natural, non-invasive remedies to health > issues without > interference from the FDA. i believe him. he's a little radical I guess, > but i like that he gets > you thinking. i have read his book and it makes you really THINK about > what you put into > your body and how you spend your money. i'm just really curious what it > is they said > about him on 20/20? with the info he tells in his book, he'd HAVE to be > public enemy #1 > to the pharmaceutical industry and possibly the medical association and > health insurance > companies. i mean, just for the sake of conversation, what would it do to > the multi-billion > dollar pharmaceutical companies if natural remedies were available for > most of our major > (and minor) health problems? with that kind of money at stack, it makes > sense that they > would go to great lengths to protect it, including making natural remedies > available only > by prescription. > > > > >> >> I haven't read his book, just seen parts of it but does it really tell >> you >> anything, other than direct you to his pay monthly website? >> >> Dorey >> www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: " Joyce McCrary " <j.mccrary@2...> >> <Rheumatoid Arthritis > >> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 9:04 PM >> >> >> Subject: Re: Anyone Watch >> >> >> >I didn't turn TV on tonight. What did they say about him? >> > >> > Joyce from Texas >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: " frogge " <lilypadluxuries@g...> >> > <Rheumatoid Arthritis > >> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 10:08 PM >> > Subject: Anyone Watch >> > >> > >> > 20/20 tonight?? Interesting info about Trudeau (sp)....and his >> > Book he sells. (@@). >> > >> > Carla >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 In a message dated 1/21/2006 12:20:19 AM Central Standard Time, ddorey@... writes: However from what I've heard of his book it just pushes his website and doesn't give much information that isn't readily available elsewhere. I suppose I should buy the book and read it before I speak though so I know better of what I am saying. I feel the same way. While I did miss the 20/20 program, I saw him briefly interviewed on FOX not long ago. ly, I was not impressed. Evidently, he's claiming that deodorants cause breast cancer. Having had breast cancer, I found that claim to be highly irresponsible as he has virtually no medical training in his background. As recent as 8 years ago, those actively devoting their lives to research on the subject.....that subject alone.....were stating that there is "no known cause, no known cure." I take no issue with food for thought. My gut tells me though that as with all things in life, we should be looking for the balancing act and that there is a time and place for everything. IMO, our best bet is to combine conventional medicine with a holistic approach. Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 I have to agree with you. A good, healthy diet, exercise, enough sleep, and low stress will make *anyone* feel better, regardless of whatever disease or condition they have(note that I said *better,* and not *good*). However, as far as "curing" RA, if all those natural remedies worked, then we wouldn't have RA, now would we? Common sense seems to tell us that if natural remedies were the answer, there wouldn't be a problem. The people who tout these things the most strongly all seem to still have the disease. In the last year I've lost quite a bit of weight, started walking long distances at aerobic levels, and because I'm a vegetarian with severe lactose intolerance, have tweaked my diet to a very healthy level. I *could* say that those things "cured" me, and if you just lose weight, exercise, and eat right, you'll be cured too. That's not a *study* though, and there are way too many variables there to attribute improvement to any one thing. The changes I made helped a lot, but I'm also on Plaquenil daily, and have been for the last 14 years. Right now I don't have much beyond regular osteo pain/changes, except for one finger on my left hand(which really annoys me), and I'd like to think that RA is "gone," but I know well enough that it can return with a vengeance. I would recommend that everyone do what I did -- lose weight(that NEVER makes it worse unless you lose too much), exercise, and eat healthy. You'll feel better, but as far as a "cure" -- Nope. Whatever happened with me is wonderful, but I doubt that it's the plaquenil, because it's never happened before and I've been on it so long, and I know that it isn't all the lifestyle changes, because when I developed this disease I was in excellent health, a little below average weight, and exercised regularly. So -- the point is.........? You can't attribute changes in your disease to changes in your lifestyle or herbal supplements unless you have controlled ALL variables. That means ALL of them, and I know that the testimonials out there are not based on hard research. They're just that: anecdotal evidence, and not worth a whole lot. It's cruel and misleading to tell people that diet will "cure" them, that herbal supplements will "cure" them, that if they just do this and this and that, their disease(likely caused by poor diet and food additives) will go away. If you use just a little bit of logic, you might consider the fact that modern medicine would have had no reason to develop if herbals, healthy living, and naturopathic remedies actually worked for these diseases. Why would anyone try to discover a "cure" cure for RA if it was already out there and in use? It makes no sense. I'm glad you feel better, but so do I, and you can't explain why *I* am better. I can't either, and I'm not going to mislead people about it. Sometimes it just happens. ----- Original Message ----- From: i_live_in_slippers Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Anyone Watch Hi ,I hate to sound like we keep butting heads on topics but I guess I'm one of those people that do believe their doctors for the most part in judging what's best for this disease, and others. My father in law happens to be a doctor too and the naturpathic/homeopathic approach can and does do more damage to some people than good and probably most of the time does nothing and is a huge waste of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 And that's what RA was until drugs to combat it were created. People didn't live to be 90 years old several hundred years ago, and frequently died of other things before their RA was full-blown, so arguing that it's on the increase now isn't valid. We don't know. But those who left it untreated(my mother did the same thing) ended up crippled up and ill. My mother was diagnosed when she was 17, and the disease progressed fairly slowly, but relentlessly. She grew up "knowing" that there really wasn't anything she could do about it(she was born in 1906) because when she was diagnosed, there weren't any drugs specifically for it. By the time the drugs came along, she wasn't willing to listen and suffered incredibly with pain and disfigurement. It's a pretty big stretch to say that herbals and natural remedies are the "cure." I'll say again: a healthy lifestyle will make you feel better, and if you're overweight, you NEED to lose that weight. But it won't cure your RA. ----- Original Message ----- From: snowdrift52003 Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Anyone Watch > Those approaches may keep people from getting the real medication or > therapy that they need, making their progression worse and depending > on the issue too late by the time they do seek regular medical > attention. This is what has happened to my mom...she is unnecessicarily disabled at a young age because of her distrust of, and refusal to go to, an MD.She has spent large amounts of money on "natural stuff." She can barely walk now, lives as a shut-in, and has little energy or ability to pursue activities that make life worth living.Sierra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 Lets not butt heads, you don't need the stress, neither do I. Instead lets just agree to disagree. I have had huge success by natural methods, I have helped others do the same but it's certainly not the easy path, you first have to determine what is causing the dis - ease in your body that's causing your immune system to be compromised. If my posts annoy you it's ok to stop reading them, we all have that right. I won't stop reading yours. Obviously though, at some point you had enough interest to read my website, meaning you haven't given up entirely on how you can help your disease naturally. I don't tell people to go off meds, it's just that sometimes they become unnecessary, as in my case. I do recommend people educate themselves on the side effects of the medication to ensure that they can live with what may be coming. Please keep in mind, I myself took meds until I was able to control this disease.......We can not ignore RA, it won't go away on it's own and long term inflammation is very serious, so treatment that works for you is necessary, for me that's holistic now. I am guilty of giving people hope that if they make positive changes they will most likely recieve postitive results. I can not stop spreading this message because I feel it is my duty, we all have to do things to help others, and mine is to share some of the positive things we can do for ourselves to improve our health. Positive life style changes will help everyone.......doesn't mean you can't take meds AND implement the positive life style changes at the same time. Please note, all through my website and in my posting I recommend seeing and working with your doctors........just don't allow them to stop you from making positive life style changes. Use sense, of course what you feed your body will make a difference in your health and it's when doctors claim otherwise that I get annoyed. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: " i_live_in_slippers " <bart.tracy@...> <Rheumatoid Arthritis > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:20 AM Subject: Re: Anyone Watch > Hi , > I hate to sound like we keep butting heads on topics but I guess I'm > one of those people that do believe their doctors for the most part > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2006 Report Share Posted January 21, 2006 I haven't followed this exchange in detail but I think there is no problem with advocating good diet and nutrition and saying that FOR ALL it is helpful and FOR SOME it can effect a cure for RA. However, to imply that it is a CURE for all RA is wrong and can cause some people to stop their medications. You don't have to advocate stopping medications for people to decide to do that if a cure can be achieved elsewhere. I have no problem with alternative treatments for RA as long as they don't claim too much. God bless. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dorey Rheumatoid Arthritis Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: Re: Re: Anyone Watch Lets not butt heads, you don't need the stress, neither do I. Instead lets just agree to disagree. I have had huge success by natural methods, I have helped others do the same but it's certainly not the easy path, you first have to determine what is causing the dis - ease in your body that's causing your immune system to be compromised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2006 Report Share Posted January 22, 2006 I agree, I just don't know why the focus on the word " CURE " no one has ever said they could cure RA, only that there are ways to live with this nasty disease with less discomfort and active again. Even I could accept this challenge to lose some of the winter pounds that always seem to find their way back. Dorey www.LivingWithRheumatoidArthritis.com ----- Original Message ----- From: " i_live_in_slippers " <bart.tracy@...> <Rheumatoid Arthritis > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: Re: Anyone Watch > Very well put! I always seem to be trying to battle the bulge and > your advice regarding weight is right on! > > t. > > >> >> I have to agree with you. A good, healthy diet, exercise, enough > sleep, and low stress will make *anyone* feel better, regardless of > whatever disease or condition they have(note that I said *better,* > and not *good*). However, as far as " curing " RA, if all those > natural remedies worked, then we wouldn't have RA, now would we? > Common sense seems to tell us that if natural remedies were the > answer, there wouldn't be a problem. The people who tout these > things the most strongly all seem to still have the disease. >> >> In the last year I've lost quite a bit of weight, started walking > long distances at aerobic levels, and because I'm a vegetarian with > severe lactose intolerance, have tweaked my diet to a very healthy > level. I *could* say that those things " cured " me, and if you just > lose weight, exercise, and eat right, you'll be cured too. That's > not a *study* though, and there are way too many variables there to > attribute improvement to any one thing. The changes I made helped a > lot, but I'm also on Plaquenil daily, and have been for the last 14 > years. Right now I don't have much beyond regular osteo > pain/changes, except for one finger on my left hand(which really > annoys me), and I'd like to think that RA is " gone, " but I know well > enough that it can return with a vengeance. >> >> I would recommend that everyone do what I did -- lose weight(that > NEVER makes it worse unless you lose too much), exercise, and eat > healthy. You'll feel better, but as far as a " cure " -- Nope. > Whatever happened with me is wonderful, but I doubt that it's the > plaquenil, because it's never happened before and I've been on it so > long, and I know that it isn't all the lifestyle changes, because > when I developed this disease I was in excellent health, a little > below average weight, and exercised regularly. >> >> So -- the point is.........? You can't attribute changes in your > disease to changes in your lifestyle or herbal supplements unless > you have controlled ALL variables. That means ALL of them, and I > know that the testimonials out there are not based on hard research. > They're just that: anecdotal evidence, and not worth a whole lot. > It's cruel and misleading to tell people that diet will " cure " them, > that herbal supplements will " cure " them, that if they just do this > and this and that, their disease(likely caused by poor diet and food > additives) will go away. >> >> If you use just a little bit of logic, you might consider the fact > that modern medicine would have had no reason to develop if herbals, > healthy living, and naturopathic remedies actually worked for these > diseases. Why would anyone try to discover a " cure " cure for RA if > it was already out there and in use? It makes no sense. I'm glad > you feel better, but so do I, and you can't explain why *I* am > better. I can't either, and I'm not going to mislead people about > it. Sometimes it just happens. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: i_live_in_slippers >> Rheumatoid Arthritis >> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 10:20 AM >> Subject: Re: Anyone Watch >> >> >> Hi , >> I hate to sound like we keep butting heads on topics but I guess > I'm >> one of those people that do believe their doctors for the most > part >> in judging what's best for this disease, and others. My father > in >> law happens to be a doctor too and the naturpathic/homeopathic >> approach can and does do more damage to some people than good > and >> probably most of the time does nothing and is a huge waste of > money. >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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