Re: Re: How many people are doing B's FULL recommended dose of herbs?

[Guest guest]

Dear Selma, Thanks for the crossed fingers. Its pretty rough going. My Babs

symptions had calmed down and now today starting up again. Its Sat and I take my

second go round on monday.Take care Miss u also. Joyce

selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote: Joyce

and Connie!

Nice to hear you're accepting artemisinin, Joyce. You sounded better

than the last weeks too. Crossing fingers for your babs treatment!

I also answered a bit about homeopathics in my other post about

update on my treatment. If you'd like details, I can send you an

email? But I suppose it won't be of any use, as it's very individual.

Connie, I agree with Joyce on amounts. Some people can barely handle

100mg artemisinin. I could handle 1,200mg for 3 days. But only once

or twice (I can't remember).

The other time I did the same, I collapsed!!! A bad reaction to

artemisinin feels like life threatening. I'm not writing this to

scare you only. Just read what other people write about artemisinin.

In lymenet there's a person posting lately and he feared for his life

after taking it. He's not sure he got a permanent damage. So just be

extra careful with artemisinin or any babs treatement.

There's no way for cronic people to heal lyme fast. At least, I never

heard of. Think of it as a marathon. You need to save energy for the

long run fight. If you overdo something and get your liver in trouble

or your kidney, heart, well, you'll understand that fast. But if you

could avoid going to these extremes, your body will thank you.

You're dealing with a highly toxic bactery, plus the chance you got

loads of heavy metals that may get free when you kill them and cause

other very nasty symptoms. And if you have fungal infections

altogether and you're attacking these together, when you kill these,

they also liberate awful toxins and metals and then you get your body

a high burden.

I never reached even half of Buhner's protocol and I improved, slowly

but steady. Each person is different. I know we all want to get

better as fast as possible. I want, I get desperate sometimes, but

every single time I overdid something, I paid that back afterwards. I

felt like going 2 steps forward, but 4 steps back.

this time I tested good for 4 andrographis pills a day. It's a first

time for me, I always tested maximum 3 only.

Take care!

Selma

> Connie <conniekillbug@...> wrote:

Hi Everyone, Ive posted this before but want to get a few more

answers.

> How many of you are able to do the FULL dose recommended by Buhner

on

> the herbs? I am still questioning whether my somewhat lower doses

on

> stuff are going to be effective...I dont want my healing journey

to

> take 20 years, on the other hand dont want to overload the body...

> He seems to advocate (as many LLMDs) that higher doses are

necessary

> for good effectiveness (p. 77), but Ive also had a couple LYme

docs say

> not to overdo it...

>

> Also Im working out a pulsing schedule for my herbs. Does anyone

else

> do this, and if so, do you do weeks on/weeks off, or days on/days

off?

>

> Just gathering thoughts so I can come up with my own protocol...

>

> Oh yeah, Dr. K advocates 1500 mg of artemisinin around full moon

for

> three days. Has anyone actually done this high a dose before??

Just

> curious...it seems super high to me.

>

> Thanks!! have a great day!! Connie

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Everyone!!

Just wanted to post something wrote back to me this morning regarding

this question.

He agreed that a high dose is different for everyone (based on weight,

etc)--so we dont have to all shoot for the maximums posted in his book. I also

got the impression , however, that too low doses will be somewhat ineffective.

He also suggested not pulsing the herbs (unlike other stuff) except for s.

ginseng and J. knotweed. His experience has been that Lymies get worse pulsing

as the time off allows for bacteria to multiply....hmmm, food for thought, eh?

Also recommended Cryptoleptis (Bear Creek Herbs, MO) if artemisinin doesn't

work for Babesia. Anyone tried this?

Thanks again for your thoughts on this question-- Take care and best wishes

for healing during that lovely moon out there-- :-)

Connie

selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote:

Joyce and Connie!

Nice to hear you're accepting artemisinin, Joyce. You sounded better

than the last weeks too. Crossing fingers for your babs treatment!

I also answered a bit about homeopathics in my other post about

update on my treatment. If you'd like details, I can send you an

email? But I suppose it won't be of any use, as it's very individual.

Connie, I agree with Joyce on amounts. Some people can barely handle

100mg artemisinin. I could handle 1,200mg for 3 days. But only once

or twice (I can't remember).

The other time I did the same, I collapsed!!! A bad reaction to

artemisinin feels like life threatening. I'm not writing this to

scare you only. Just read what other people write about artemisinin.

In lymenet there's a person posting lately and he feared for his life

after taking it. He's not sure he got a permanent damage. So just be

extra careful with artemisinin or any babs treatement.

There's no way for cronic people to heal lyme fast. At least, I never

heard of. Think of it as a marathon. You need to save energy for the

long run fight. If you overdo something and get your liver in trouble

or your kidney, heart, well, you'll understand that fast. But if you

could avoid going to these extremes, your body will thank you.

You're dealing with a highly toxic bactery, plus the chance you got

loads of heavy metals that may get free when you kill them and cause

other very nasty symptoms. And if you have fungal infections

altogether and you're attacking these together, when you kill these,

they also liberate awful toxins and metals and then you get your body

a high burden.

I never reached even half of Buhner's protocol and I improved, slowly

but steady. Each person is different. I know we all want to get

better as fast as possible. I want, I get desperate sometimes, but

every single time I overdid something, I paid that back afterwards. I

felt like going 2 steps forward, but 4 steps back.

this time I tested good for 4 andrographis pills a day. It's a first

time for me, I always tested maximum 3 only.

Take care!

Selma

> Connie <conniekillbug@...> wrote:

Hi Everyone, Ive posted this before but want to get a few more

answers.

> How many of you are able to do the FULL dose recommended by Buhner

on

> the herbs? I am still questioning whether my somewhat lower doses

on

> stuff are going to be effective...I dont want my healing journey

to

> take 20 years, on the other hand dont want to overload the body...

> He seems to advocate (as many LLMDs) that higher doses are

necessary

> for good effectiveness (p. 77), but Ive also had a couple LYme

docs say

> not to overdo it...

>

> Also Im working out a pulsing schedule for my herbs. Does anyone

else

> do this, and if so, do you do weeks on/weeks off, or days on/days

off?

>

> Just gathering thoughts so I can come up with my own protocol...

>

> Oh yeah, Dr. K advocates 1500 mg of artemisinin around full moon

for

> three days. Has anyone actually done this high a dose before??

Just

> curious...it seems super high to me.

>

> Thanks!! have a great day!! Connie

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Everyone is raving about the all-new beta.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Selma,

I am so pleased to hear of your progress! That is wonderful you are doing so

well!

Thanks so much for sharing in detail your journey and protocol.

I have done just about all of what you mention below and am sicker than

ever....have been on herbs almost half a year for Lyme and all co-infections,

(except for cats claw which I did for 9 months and it did nothing) done the

metals/cleansing, etc. for over a year also. ART testing for stuff and so

doing a few other protocol (Rifing, salt/C, chlorella cilantro garlic,

essential oils, etc....so maybe I'm just in one big herx. Thats my hope. (BTW,

I see Dr. E who follows a lot of Dr. K's protocol)

How long has it taken you to improve?

Thanks for sharing about your fears, going to the ER and what's happened

since...that is really encouraging to know how much of a turnaround you have

had!

Blessings and best wishes, Connie

selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote:

Hi Connie, glad you'll be attentive to your body. Your body is the

most precious gun against lyme!

I posted a few times about my progress with the herbs. Could you do a

search? If you don't find it, just write me again.

Summary: I was not functional at all, and now I'm almost totally

functional more than 90% of the time. Buhner's herbs helped me during

all my healing process, but there were a few other things that also

helped me. My husband doesn't have lyme, and now I feel I got more

energy than him!

First, diet (non-allergenic food). I'm totally convinced this is a

must (no wheat, no milk derivates).

Second: the micro-current (KMT sessions) to fight parallel infections

(non-tick born).

Third: heavy metal detox (I'm still not totally convinced of these

though, as I'm in the process of cleansing). But chlorella is

certainly a main herb in the same proportion as any (or all) Buhner's

herbs.

Fourth: cleansing.

I think I forgot other stuff. Just take a look at the previous posts.

While I was doing Buhner's herbs all by myself, I noticed

improvement, but I was still stuck. What got me better were these ART

sessions with an experienced practioner. It was there that she

measured my herbs and added a few more stuff I was not taking

(chlorella included) and since then I just improved (I mean, I have

my ups and downs, but the average is always going up). The change I

did on the protocol after seeing her was minimum, but as I attacked

other parasites/ parallel infections (I had no idea I had these

infections) and did the diet immediately, I felt so much better in

about 2 weeks!!

Strong herbs like andro, artemisia annua, Japanese knotweed (even

cats claw), I never stood a lot. I stood a lot of artemisinin until I

collapsed. Even in low doses, the herbs continued to kill, because I

improved steadily (slow though). I think one good advice is never to

stop attacking borrelia, even when you attack other pathogens. You

should lower the borrelia killings though. They will eventually lose

the battle if you insist, and if you cleanse your body continually.

In March I was still going to emergency and thinking I was not going

to survive much longer. From April on, I never stepped in a hospital

anymore, never got any attack of air hunger, night terrors etc.

There IS hope.

Take care!

Selma

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[Guest guest]

Ellen,

I've had a positive Igenex test and also two ART practitioners (muscle

testing) who have both diagnosed me with Lyme. I guess it's possible that I

also have something else contributing to my symptoms besides Lyme--but then

again, I surmise that is the case with most of us. .

THanks, Connie

rasheedaas <rasheedaas@...> wrote:

Connie,

Is there any possibility that what you have is not Lyme? Which would

account for why Lyme remedies don't work.

just a thought.

ellen

Hi Connie, glad you'll be attentive to your body. Your

body is the

> most precious gun against lyme!

>

> I posted a few times about my progress with the herbs. Could you do a

> search? If you don't find it, just write me again.

>

> Summary: I was not functional at all, and now I'm almost totally

> functional more than 90% of the time. Buhner's herbs helped me during

> all my healing process, but there were a few other things that also

> helped me. My husband doesn't have lyme, and now I feel I got more

> energy than him!

>

> First, diet (non-allergenic food). I'm totally convinced this is a

> must (no wheat, no milk derivates).

>

> Second: the micro-current (KMT sessions) to fight parallel infections

> (non-tick born).

>

> Third: heavy metal detox (I'm still not totally convinced of these

> though, as I'm in the process of cleansing). But chlorella is

> certainly a main herb in the same proportion as any (or all) Buhner's

> herbs.

>

> Fourth: cleansing.

>

> I think I forgot other stuff. Just take a look at the previous posts.

>

> While I was doing Buhner's herbs all by myself, I noticed

> improvement, but I was still stuck. What got me better were these ART

> sessions with an experienced practioner. It was there that she

> measured my herbs and added a few more stuff I was not taking

> (chlorella included) and since then I just improved (I mean, I have

> my ups and downs, but the average is always going up). The change I

> did on the protocol after seeing her was minimum, but as I attacked

> other parasites/ parallel infections (I had no idea I had these

> infections) and did the diet immediately, I felt so much better in

> about 2 weeks!!

>

> Strong herbs like andro, artemisia annua, Japanese knotweed (even

> cats claw), I never stood a lot. I stood a lot of artemisinin until I

> collapsed. Even in low doses, the herbs continued to kill, because I

> improved steadily (slow though). I think one good advice is never to

> stop attacking borrelia, even when you attack other pathogens. You

> should lower the borrelia killings though. They will eventually lose

> the battle if you insist, and if you cleanse your body continually.

>

> In March I was still going to emergency and thinking I was not going

> to survive much longer. From April on, I never stepped in a hospital

> anymore, never got any attack of air hunger, night terrors etc.

>

> There IS hope.

>

> Take care!

> Selma

>

>

>

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

I personally am not attentive to my body like I should be. I am BIG on Sugar,

Milk products, WHeat and just about anything else that some of you must stay

away from. I probably would heal better and faster IF I wasn't so addicted to

these things. Maybe that is why I need to take much more herbs than you do

Selma. I don't know. I just keep plugging away the best I can in my little

way.

Jim.

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selmanaka <hardynaka@...> wrote:

Hi Connie, glad you'll be attentive to your body. Your body is the

most precious gun against lyme!

I posted a few times about my progress with the herbs. Could you do a

search? If you don't find it, just write me again.

Summary: I was not functional at all, and now I'm almost totally

functional more than 90% of the time. Buhner's herbs helped me during

all my healing process, but there were a few other things that also

helped me. My husband doesn't have lyme, and now I feel I got more

energy than him!

First, diet (non-allergenic food). I'm totally convinced this is a

must (no wheat, no milk derivates).

Second: the micro-current (KMT sessions) to fight parallel infections

(non-tick born).

Third: heavy metal detox (I'm still not totally convinced of these

though, as I'm in the process of cleansing). But chlorella is

certainly a main herb in the same proportion as any (or all) Buhner's

herbs.

Fourth: cleansing.

I think I forgot other stuff. Just take a look at the previous posts.

While I was doing Buhner's herbs all by myself, I noticed

improvement, but I was still stuck. What got me better were these ART

sessions with an experienced practioner. It was there that she

measured my herbs and added a few more stuff I was not taking

(chlorella included) and since then I just improved (I mean, I have

my ups and downs, but the average is always going up). The change I

did on the protocol after seeing her was minimum, but as I attacked

other parasites/ parallel infections (I had no idea I had these

infections) and did the diet immediately, I felt so much better in

about 2 weeks!!

Strong herbs like andro, artemisia annua, Japanese knotweed (even

cats claw), I never stood a lot. I stood a lot of artemisinin until I

collapsed. Even in low doses, the herbs continued to kill, because I

improved steadily (slow though). I think one good advice is never to

stop attacking borrelia, even when you attack other pathogens. You

should lower the borrelia killings though. They will eventually lose

the battle if you insist, and if you cleanse your body continually.

In March I was still going to emergency and thinking I was not going

to survive much longer. From April on, I never stepped in a hospital

anymore, never got any attack of air hunger, night terrors etc.

There IS hope.

Take care!

Selma

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