Re: was update now bad dreams

September 9, 1999

In a message dated 9/9/99 3:28:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

mlmccoy@... writes:

<< ed to my doctor about awful

nightmares, and if they could be seizures, he gave me a referral to my

favorite Neurologist, that appointment will not be till October 6. It seems

these nightmares and terrors occur when I am feeling my very worse, I almost

want to stay awake to avoid them. Anyone else have this problem?? I have

an appointment to see my doctor next Wednesday evening when my husband can

drive me. I am so sorry I have neglected you >>

Marta,

YES YES YES!!!!! When I'm feeling the worst I have HORRIBLE nightmares and

they

are sooo real and sooo horrible... A couple of times I woke up in the middle

of one and I stayed up on purpose so my dream wouldn't continue... I've had

more nightmares this my relaspes this years then I think I had in my whole

life... I hope you get some answers as to why this happens. Feel better I

hope the bicillian shots are killing thoses SPRIO " S BIG TIME!!!!!!

September 9, 1999

Hi Marta and All!

Prior to Lyme I never ever remembered my dreams! In fact, I was convinced

that I didn't dream at all. Well, since the Lyme I have bad dreams and

nightmares many nights, and more when I am feeling really bad! They

sometimes wake me, and other times I just remember them in the morning. I

wonder if it has something to do with disruptions in our sleep cycles?

Interesting! I actually listed " dreams as one of my Lyme symptoms!

Take Care!

Jane

September 9, 1999

In a message dated 9/9/99 1:46:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mlmccoy@jerseynet

writes:

<<

Thanks for validating that I am not alone with these nightmares, do you

notice that they are so much worse when you are feeling your worst? I have

had a few injuries too falling out of bed once, and once walking into a

closet door. My husband says I talk in my sleep too, I even wake myself up

sometimes talking. You are right they are horrible, and I can not imagine

how my brain comes up with such awful ideas. I get up usually to avoid t >>

Marta,

Yes, I have more nightmares when I'm feeling extra lousy. I don't know how

my mind comes up with theses things either. My boyfriend also says that I

talk in my sleep..

Do you think were having theses dreams because we are going through such a

rough ordeal? I never had nightmares like theses. I hope you feel better

marta.. Keep up with the bicillian injections. I think they helped me after

having them for quite a few weeks.

September 9, 1999

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I have terrible nightmares when I am feeling the worst too.

Wes

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Prinny328@... wrote:

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In a message dated 9/9/99 3:28:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

mlmccoy@... writes:

& lt; & lt; ed to my doctor about awful

& nbsp;nightmares, and if they could be seizures, he gave me a referral

to my

& nbsp;favorite Neurologist, that appointment will not be till October

6. & nbsp; It seems

& nbsp;these nightmares and terrors occur when I am feeling my very

worse, I almost

& nbsp;want to stay awake to avoid them. & nbsp; Anyone else have this

problem?? & nbsp; I have

& nbsp;an appointment to see my doctor next Wednesday evening when my

husband can

& nbsp;drive me. & nbsp; I am so sorry I have neglected you >>

Marta,

YES YES YES!!!!! & nbsp; When I'm feeling the worst I have HORRIBLE nightmares

and

they

are sooo real and sooo horrible... & nbsp; A couple of times I woke up

in the middle

of one and I stayed up on purpose so my dream wouldn't continue... & nbsp;

I've had

more nightmares this my relaspes this years then I think I had in my

whole

life... & nbsp; I hope you get some answers as to why this happens. & nbsp;

Feel better I

hope the bicillian shots are killing thoses SPRIO " S BIG TIME!!!!!!

---------------------------

September 9, 1999

Hi ,

Thanks for validating that I am not alone with these nightmares, do you

notice that they are so much worse when you are feeling your worst? I have

had a few injuries too falling out of bed once, and once walking into a

closet door. My husband says I talk in my sleep too, I even wake myself up

sometimes talking. You are right they are horrible, and I can not imagine

how my brain comes up with such awful ideas. I get up usually to avoid the

dreams too, and stay up a few hours, go back to bed and still have another

similar type dream. It is maddening. Hope you and I both feel better soon

and get a good nights sleep tonight.

Hugs,

Marta NJ

>From: Prinny328@...

>

>Marta,

>YES YES YES!!!!! When I'm feeling the worst I have HORRIBLE nightmares and

>they

>are sooo real and sooo horrible... A couple of times I woke up in the

middle

>of one and I stayed up on purpose so my dream wouldn't continue... I've

had

>more nightmares this my relaspes this years then I think I had in my whole

>life... I hope you get some answers as to why this happens. Feel better I

>hope the bicillian shots are killing thoses SPRIO " S BIG TIME!!!!!!

>

September 9, 1999

Wes,

I know you are new to this disease, do you recall having nightmares like this

before you became ill? I never did, or if I did I sure don't remember them.

Hugs,

Marta NJ

I have terrible nightmares when I am feeling the worst too.

Wes

September 9, 1999

Dear Marta: You poor baby! I'm so sorry you're hurting - I hope this

darn herx ends quickly for you. As for the dreams, I've been having

them very vividly lately, and they're the type that I used to get in

school right before an exam, or in a stressful situation. Does anyone

ever get the type where you walk into a classroom to take a final in a

class that you forgot to go to for the whole semester?? Or, that you

are walking down the street naked because you were so overwhelmed that

you forgot to dress?? Okay, well, maybe I'm nuts too, but I think that

the lyme is starting to stress me out!

Lovette

September 9, 1999

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Hi Marta,

I never did dream to speak of prior to this disease. Prior to this disease

I might have one dream I remember in a year. I haven't had a nightmare

since age 10. When I was very sick 3 weeks ago the nightmares were every

night. Sometimes I'd wake up and go back to sleep and have another nightmare.

It is pretty terrible.

Wes

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I know you are new to this disease, do you recall having nightmares like

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Wes

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September 10, 1999

In a message dated 9/10/99 3:41:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

mlmccoy@... writes:

<< Thanks for today's therapy session....LOL!

Pleasant dreams,

Marta NJ >>

Hi Marta. You sure are having a tough time. I'm sitting here reading about

all of you suffering and I wish I could fix things up. When I was sick,

stress was hell for me. It seemed to bring all my symptoms to the forefront

10-fold! Mostly, I was stressing over Lyme Disease and how life-altering it

was which made my Lyme Disease more life-altering!

I did find, however, that my acceptance and my taking control of this disease

helped me more than ever. It was the information I learned here that allowed

me to walk into the doc's office knowing what I wanted and knowing that Lyme

is too life threatening to let anyone tell me different.

I only had three months of IV abx Rocephin, but because it was started as

soon as symptoms showed up, I believe it was the answer for me. No one is

ever sure if it will raise it's ugly head in the future, but I'm going to

enjoy my freedom from Lyme for now.

I have a check up appt with my LLMD next Tuesday and I want to hear what he

thinks of the possibility of Lyme showing up again. He's been really

informative and knowledgeable so far.

Has anyone else been fortunate enough to start proper abx as soon as symptoms

start? How long ago did they end? Did symptoms show up again on you? How long

after abx ended?

Just curious.

, New Bedford, MA.

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September 10, 1999

Hi and all,

Yes, I do think we are going through a rough ordeal, and with so much

conflict and disbelief in the medical world, it is small wonder that we

react with nightmares. I am so sorry most of us with Lyme suffer from this,

but glad that I have a forum to post about it, and receive confirmation from

others that I am not alone. I am not going to rule out the seizures causing

this phenomena until I see the neurologist. It probably won't hurt for me

to have some more brain studies, or even a sleep study. I do forget what it

is like to sleep through the night. I did some net surfing yesterday and

found that the definition of a nightmare is a dream that causes the dreamer

to awaken. If you stay asleep it is only a bad dream. I have awakened in a

sweat, heart pounding, so I am pretty sure these are nightmares. Thanks for

sharing , and others who responded to this post, and thanks for

changing the subject header, I always forget.

As for the bicillin injections, I am off them for now, I can't keep not

functioning or feeling so sick, obviously they did work for me, but I best

wait a bit before I attempt to resume them.

Hugs,

Marta NJ

>From: Prinny328@...

>

>Marta,

>Yes, I have more nightmares when I'm feeling extra lousy. I don't know how

>my mind comes up with theses things either. My boyfriend also says that I

>talk in my sleep..

>Do you think were having theses dreams because we are going through such a

>rough ordeal? I never had nightmares like theses. I hope you feel better

>marta.. Keep up with the bicillian injections. I think they helped me

after

>having them for quite a few weeks.

>

September 10, 1999

Hi Lovette,

Thank the Lord I don't have the naked ones, they would really scare me,

just seeing this big baby's body....LOL! I agree that stress situations as

you mention can cause bad dreams. The most recent dream I had and the worst

to date: I noticed flaps of skin on my arms and legs, I pulled at one, and a

huge bloody fat worm came out, I was running around, pulling at the flaps

trying to get them out of my body. I don't have to be a psychiatrist to

interpret that one. I guess this disease causes much more stress than I

give it credit for, it certainly has affected my subconscious. Another

theme and I have it often, my husband and I are back at our dating stage,

and he is leaving me....it really upsets me, to the point I want to smack

him when I wake up.....LOL! I know that this is my own insecurity coming

out in my dreams, he gives me no reason to suspect he would want to leave

me, but I am filled with guilt about being sick and wondering I think, why

doesn't he leave! Thanks for today's therapy session....LOL!

Pleasant dreams,

Marta NJ

-

>From: " F. Mott " <smott@...>

>

>Dear Marta: You poor baby! I'm so sorry you're hurting - I hope this

>darn herx ends quickly for you. As for the dreams, I've been having

>them very vividly lately, and they're the type that I used to get in

>school right before an exam, or in a stressful situation. Does anyone

>ever get the type where you walk into a classroom to take a final in a

>class that you forgot to go to for the whole semester?? Or, that you

>are walking down the street naked because you were so overwhelmed that

>you forgot to dress?? Okay, well, maybe I'm nuts too, but I think that

>the lyme is starting to stress me out!

>

>Lovette

>

September 10, 1999

Hi Wes,

Thanks for your take on this, it appears to me that this disease is the

culprit, and since you have been sick such a short time, hopefully you have not

had the stress factor as many of us have after dealing with the disease for so

long.

Maybe we just don't sleep deep enough and thus we recall the dreams. I would

hate to think those little spirochetes are directing movies in our heads....LOL!

Hope you are feeling better, I know I owe you some mail, hope to get to it

today,

Hugs,

Marta NJ

Hi Marta,

I never did dream to speak of prior to this disease. Prior to this disease I

might have one dream I remember in a year. I haven't had a nightmare since age

10. When I was very sick 3 weeks ago the nightmares were every night. Sometimes

I'd wake up and go back to sleep and have another nightmare. It is pretty

terrible.

Wes

September 10, 1999

I know that this is my own insecurity coming

| out in my dreams, he gives me no reason to suspect he would want to

leave

| me, but I am filled with guilt about being sick and wondering I

think, why

| doesn't he leave! Thanks for today's therapy session....LOL!

| Pleasant dreams,

| Marta NJ

Hi Marta,

Make sure you tell your husband about those dreams. He may be able to

help you overcome that feeling of insecurity. I think all of us have

that because we do feel guilty that we cannot do the things we used to

do anymore. It is hard to accept that we cannot work, or play like we

did once. I think we carry a lot of hidden anger along with these

burdens. I have come to accept this disease a long time ago but yet

still I have those periods when I feel useless, angry, and sad. I

don't know if I have nightmares. Never remember, but suspect I do

because there are nights when I kick my husband nearly out of the bed.

I don't know that I am doing it but he sure lets me know the next day

what I was doing. Tried sleeping in separate beds, but that did not

help our marriage and so I " moved " back. After we started talking

about our feelings and problems then we could start dealing with them.

I cannot believe the emotional roller coaster I am on at times.

Barb - MI

September 10, 1999

In a message dated 9/10/99 3:36:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

mlmccoy@... writes:

<< I do firmly believe that this disease when

caught soon enough and treated aggressively can be nipped in the bud. I

hope and pray that you have a forever remission.

Hugs,

Marta NJ

>>

Thanks, Marta, so do I. I just wish it were that successful for those who

have been suffering untreated for so long. It's so hard when different

prescriptions work differently on everybody. don't any of you give up tho.

There is always hope.

, New Bedford, MA.

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September 10, 1999

To Lovette and all my fellow bad dream sufferers,

I've had that same bad dream about showing up for class on the day of

the final or when the term paper is due, after not having been in class

all semester! I've also had the dream where I found myself walking to

school...but I forgot to get dressed! But, these are some of my more

" normal " dreams...since I started abx and anti-depressants, I've had

dreams that I won't even repeat. Does anybody know anti-depressants can

cause bad dreams?

Since there are so many of us having these bad dreams, now I don't think

that I am going crazy...although others would beg to differ!

Wishing us all peaceful sleep...Joan

September 10, 1999

Hi ,

I'm so happy for the progress that you've made since your IV abx tx. My

LD was misdiagnosed for 10 yrs., so I'm not doing well, but my

daughter's was caught much sooner, and she has been healthy for the past

2 yrs.

Hope this helps, Joan

September 10, 1999

Hi ,

It's wonderful to hear that you received such a long dose of Rocephin

and it helped you so much. I do firmly believe that this disease when

caught soon enough and treated aggressively can be nipped in the bud. I

hope and pray that you have a forever remission.

Hugs,

Marta NJ

>From: LymeDizzez@...

>

>Hi Marta. You sure are having a tough time. I'm sitting here reading about

>all of you suffering and I wish I could fix things up. When I was sick,

>stress was hell for me. It seemed to bring all my symptoms to the forefront

>10-fold! Mostly, I was stressing over Lyme Disease and how life-altering it

>was which made my Lyme Disease more life-altering!

>

>I did find, however, that my acceptance and my taking control of this

disease

>helped me more than ever. It was the information I learned here that

allowed

>me to walk into the doc's office knowing what I wanted and knowing that

Lyme

>is too life threatening to let anyone tell me different.

>

>I only had three months of IV abx Rocephin, but because it was started as

>soon as symptoms showed up, I believe it was the answer for me. No one is

>ever sure if it will raise it's ugly head in the future, but I'm going to

>enjoy my freedom from Lyme for now.

>

>I have a check up appt with my LLMD next Tuesday and I want to hear what he

>thinks of the possibility of Lyme showing up again. He's been really

>informative and knowledgeable so far.

>

>Has anyone else been fortunate enough to start proper abx as soon as

symptoms

>start? How long ago did they end? Did symptoms show up again on you? How

long

>after abx ended?

>

>Just curious.

>

>, New Bedford, MA.

>No One Should Have To Deal With Lyme Disease Alone!

>Friday, September 10, 1999

>You'll find a support chat room on my web page: <A

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s

September 10, 1999

Hi Barb,

I suspect that alot of us feel guilty about what we can't do anymore,

and how others have had to take up the slack. I keep reminding my

husband about how badly I feel that he has to do so much, and I do

little things just to try to be helpful...

Take Care, Joan

September 10, 1999

Hi Barbara,

I have mentioned my dreams and my insecurities to and he always

reassures me by saying, it could be the reverse, he could be sick, and would

I leave him? Of course I wouldn't, but I do know my husband is very social,

and I know he misses the fun we used to have, poor guy went to the Marine

Corps ball alone, and won the award for " Marine of the Year " last November,

and I was not there to share in his triumph. You are so right, it is an

emotional rollercoaster, and I am lucky I have a good guy sticking with me.

Sounds like you have a good one too.

Hugs,

Marta NJ

>From: " Barbara Fitzmaurice " <BLFITZMA@...>

>

>>

>Hi Marta,

>

>Make sure you tell your husband about those dreams. He may be able to

>help you overcome that feeling of insecurity. I think all of us have

>that because we do feel guilty that we cannot do the things we used to

>do anymore. It is hard to accept that we cannot work, or play like we

>did once. I think we carry a lot of hidden anger along with these

>burdens. I have come to accept this disease a long time ago but yet

>still I have those periods when I feel useless, angry, and sad. I

>don't know if I have nightmares. Never remember, but suspect I do

>because there are nights when I kick my husband nearly out of the bed.

>I don't know that I am doing it but he sure lets me know the next day

>what I was doing. Tried sleeping in separate beds, but that did not

>help our marriage and so I " moved " back. After we started talking

>about our feelings and problems then we could start dealing with them.

>I cannot believe the emotional roller coaster I am on at times.

>

>Barb - MI

September 10, 1999

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Hi Joan,

I am newly bitten only being sick since June. As soon as I got real

sick my nightmares started. I am 45 and I haven't had nightmares since

I was 8 or so. It has really messed up my sleep also. Scray dreams wake

me up and when I go back to sleep it's something else scary. I get up 6-8

times a night. It leaves me tired.

Regarding your use of anti-depressants. I have never taken them. I can't

say for sure about your dreams but mine aren't connected to anti-depressants.

Wes

& nbsp;

" Joan S. " wrote:

<blockquote TYPE=CITE>From: Namkrats3@... (Joan S.)

& nbsp;To Lovette and all my fellow bad dream sufferers,

I've had that same bad dream about showing up for class on the day of

the final or when the term paper is due, after not having been in class

all semester! I've also had the dream where I found myself walking

to

school...but I forgot to get dressed! But, these are some of my more

" normal " dreams...since I started abx and anti-depressants, I've had

dreams that I won't even repeat. Does anybody know anti-depressants

can

cause bad dreams?

Since there are so many of us having these bad dreams, now I don't think

that I am going crazy...although others would beg to differ!

& nbsp; Wishing us all peaceful sleep...Joan

---------------------------

September 11, 1999

Hi Joan,

I am on 30mg of Paxil, but I noticed the nightmares long before I started

that....almost immediately when I was first sick after my tick bite. I

didn't go on anti-depressants till about one year into the disease. If you

are crazy, we all are.....so don't give it another thought!

Hugs,

Marta NJ

From: Namkrats3@... (Joan S.)

To Lovette and all my fellow bad dream sufferers,

I've had that same bad dream about showing up for class on the day of

the final or when the term paper is due, after not having been in class

all semester! I've also had the dream where I found myself walking to

school...but I forgot to get dressed! But, these are some of my more

" normal " dreams...since I started abx and anti-depressants, I've had

dreams that I won't even repeat. Does anybody know anti-depressants can

cause bad dreams?

Since there are so many of us having these bad dreams, now I don't think

that I am going crazy...although others would beg to differ!

Wishing us all peaceful sleep...Joan

September 11, 1999

Hi Joan,

Me too, I am so sweet and nice it is almost sickening....LOL...probably

why I have these insecurity dreams. He thinks it is the Paxil....maybe that

helps some, but my concern about dumping so much on him is the real trigger

behind my personality change. Before Lyme, I would argue if I disagreed,

now I am almost a Stepford Wife...;-)

Hugs,

Marta NJ

From: Namkrats3@... (Joan S.)

Hi Barb,

I suspect that alot of us feel guilty about what we can't do anymore,

and how others have had to take up the slack. I keep reminding my

husband about how badly I feel that he has to do so much, and I do

little things just to try to be helpful...

Take Care, Joan

September 12, 1999

Hi everyone,

I'm amazed at myself, two very good days in a row!! But so afraid to get to

excited, I always get my hopes up when I have continuous good days. But I am

definitely taking advantage of these good days. Too bad my husband is on

travel. He rarely gets to see me feeling good.

Anyway wanted to share a poem with everyone, that my doctor gave me (he said

he gives it to all his Lymies) after I forgot to tell him a few very

important things (like I had surgery scheduled the following week, etc.) he

laughed at me, I almost cried because I knew I was losing my mind - no

memory! The poem made me laugh ( I hope it makes you laugh, I find when I'm

depressed its not so funny). IF YOU ARE IN A DOWN PERIOD RIGHT NOW, MAYBE

YOU SHOULD SAVE THIS POEM WHEN YOU FEEL BETTER. I'm going to send it as an

attachment, if anyone has a problem opening it, let me know. Thanks - be

well

Vicki

Re: [Lyme-aid] was update now bad dreams

>From: " Barbara Fitzmaurice " <BLFITZMA@...>

>

>I know that this is my own insecurity coming

>| out in my dreams, he gives me no reason to suspect he would want to

>leave

>| me, but I am filled with guilt about being sick and wondering I

>think, why

>| doesn't he leave! Thanks for today's therapy session....LOL!

>| Pleasant dreams,

>| Marta NJ