Re: Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

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In a message dated 6/23/2001 7:37:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

liliwigg@... writes:

> ! I feel science has found

> 'something' in stem cell use and I would like to see human trials get

> going again, but I think the media grabed the chance to jump in on that

> boy who died after a treatment and things were halted. Thanks for your

> post on this important issue.

>

> ~ Gretchen

>

>

I feel the same way. I spent a few hours today surfing the web to see if any

trials have started. Parkinsons research is getting several studies going.

jenny

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In a message dated 6/23/2001 11:21:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

rmax@... writes:

> I would NEVER use any treatment

> if it came from aborted babies. Ok that's fine, don't use that treatment.

> But let others, who can benefit from it have the chance to use it. Want to

> stop abortions, lobby to stop abortions not stem cell use of tissue that

> will always be availabe, (until abortions are banned) but availabe for what?

> To be thrown into the trash? What a foolish waste. Just my opinion, ~

Its sorta like making a bad thing good IMO

jenny

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-----Original Message-----

From: Mommy2Adam@... <Mommy2Adam@...>

< >

Date: Saturday, June 23, 2001 11:13 PM

Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

>In a message dated 6/23/2001 7:37:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

>liliwigg@... writes:

>

>

>> ! I feel science has found

>> 'something' in stem cell use and I would like to see human trials get

>> going again, but I think the media grabed the chance to jump in on that

>> boy who died after a treatment and things were halted. Thanks for your

>> post on this important issue.

>>

>> ~ Gretchen

>>

>>

>

>I feel the same way. I spent a few hours today surfing the web to see if

any

>trials have started. Parkinsons research is getting several studies going.

>jenny

>

>>>>>>>The stem cells that show most promise is from aborted fetus's. This

tissue is discarded and unused, yet people protest the use of it for

something that will help others. If a person is against abortion, which I

AM, they should protest abortions, not the use of the tissue that will be

thrown away and unused for anything worthwhile. They do not seem to be able

to seperate the two. Until abortions are banned, they will continue. Why

let the stem cells go to waste? Thats nonsense. No one is going to kill

babies for the exclusive use of their stem cells! But yet people think that

by banning the use of stem cells from abortions, they will stop abortions?

Not in this life. I have heard others say, I would NEVER use any treatment

if it came from aborted babies. Ok that's fine, don't use that treatment.

But let others, who can benefit from it have the chance to use it. Want to

stop abortions, lobby to stop abortions not stem cell use of tissue that

will always be availabe, (until abortions are banned) but availabe for what?

To be thrown into the trash? What a foolish waste. Just my opinion, ~>Becky

M.

>

[Guest guest]

I am totally on the other side of the fence. Much stem cell research does

not use an aborted fetus it uses an embryo grown from a fertilized egg and

" sacraficed " to study. Using the arguments that have been presented would

be akin to saying " Thousands of people die daily and are either burned or

put in the ground. The bodies could be processed into high level protein to

feed starving nations, or made into fertilizer to help produce crops. The

fat could be made into soap and the skin into leather. " Radical, but no the

only difference is that an adult body would be used. The advent of organ

donation has shown that many people offer to buy and sell organs, though it

is illegal. Would the commercial production of fetal tissue be next? Not

impossible. Even the sale of babies for adoption has not been completely

stopped. I do not oppose the research, but there are other methods to

obtain stem cells. Cord blood and skin have been used with success. I say

support the research using things that do not require the loss of life to

obtain, be that loss voluntairy or involuntairy.

[Guest guest]

-----Original Message-----

From: Mommy2Adam@... <Mommy2Adam@...>

< >

Date: Sunday, June 24, 2001 1:25 AM

Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

>In a message dated 6/23/2001 11:21:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

>rmax@... writes:

>

>

>> I would NEVER use any treatment

>> if it came from aborted babies. Ok that's fine, don't use that treatment.

>> But let others, who can benefit from it have the chance to use it. Want

to

>> stop abortions, lobby to stop abortions not stem cell use of tissue that

>> will always be availabe, (until abortions are banned) but availabe for

what?

>> To be thrown into the trash? What a foolish waste. Just my opinion, ~

>

>Its sorta like making a bad thing good IMO

>jenny

>

>>>>>>>, RIGHT! At least those babies that never had a chance to begin

with have given " life " in what ever sense that maybe to each person who

benefits from the use of the stem cells. Why let them be tossed away like

trash? Let them stand for something to help the lives of others. Like organ

donations after death. Are you going to use those organs after you die?

NO. Are the aborted babies going to use the stem cells after they have had

their lives ended? NO....And before someone says, but organ donations come

from those who died naturally, and their lives were not ended on purpose,

well no, that's not true. A person who dies naturally of " OLD " age they

dont' want their organs, they are old! They use organs from accident

victims, murdered victims, etc, even those put to death by the state,

(execution) ~>Becky M.

>

[Guest guest]

I heard that they are now doing stem cell studies that they get from body

fat.

If that one works... there will be no end to the supply out there to help

that cause/research.

Gail

-----Original Message-----

From: Lamar son [mailto:lls@...]

Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 12:54 AM

Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

I am totally on the other side of the fence. Much stem cell research does

not use an aborted fetus it uses an embryo grown from a fertilized egg and

" sacraficed " to study. Using the arguments that have been presented would

be akin to saying " Thousands of people die daily and are either burned or

put in the ground. The bodies could be processed into high level protein to

feed starving nations, or made into fertilizer to help produce crops. The

fat could be made into soap and the skin into leather. " Radical, but no the

only difference is that an adult body would be used. The advent of organ

donation has shown that many people offer to buy and sell organs, though it

is illegal. Would the commercial production of fetal tissue be next? Not

impossible. Even the sale of babies for adoption has not been completely

stopped. I do not oppose the research, but there are other methods to

obtain stem cells. Cord blood and skin have been used with success. I say

support the research using things that do not require the loss of life to

obtain, be that loss voluntairy or involuntairy.

[Guest guest]

Gail,

Very true and I would donate some myself.

----- Original Message -----

From: Gail Tibbetts

Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 03:05 AM

Subject: RE: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

I heard that they are now doing stem cell studies that they get from body

fat.

If that one works... there will be no end to the supply out there to help

that cause/research.

Gail

-----Original Message-----

From: Lamar son [mailto:lls@...]

Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 12:54 AM

Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

I am totally on the other side of the fence. Much stem cell research

does

not use an aborted fetus it uses an embryo grown from a fertilized egg and

" sacraficed " to study. Using the arguments that have been presented would

be akin to saying " Thousands of people die daily and are either burned or

put in the ground. The bodies could be processed into high level protein

to

feed starving nations, or made into fertilizer to help produce crops. The

fat could be made into soap and the skin into leather. " Radical, but no

the

only difference is that an adult body would be used. The advent of organ

donation has shown that many people offer to buy and sell organs, though

it

is illegal. Would the commercial production of fetal tissue be next? Not

impossible. Even the sale of babies for adoption has not been completely

stopped. I do not oppose the research, but there are other methods to

obtain stem cells. Cord blood and skin have been used with success. I

say

support the research using things that do not require the loss of life to

obtain, be that loss voluntairy or involuntairy.

[Guest guest]

-----Original Message-----

From: Lamar son <lls@...>

< >

Date: Sunday, June 24, 2001 1:49 AM

Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

>>>Lamar, sounds like you watched that old movie, (science fiction) with

Charlton Heston? Think thats the name, title Green something or the other

where the goverment was doing just what you suggested with the bodys! LOL

>>>>>>There will ALWAYS be those who exploit. Those who have lots of money

and are that type of person, and those who are greedy and want lots of money

and are that type of person. The world is not perfect, and I think it never

will be, but why ban what will help others when it will be trashed anyway?

Not ALL stem cells come from a petrie dish. Wish I could remember the name

of that dang movie, you described it to a tee! OH.......Soyent Green?

Something like that will call a friend who owns video store and ask her

tomarrow! LOL~>Becky M.

> I am totally on the other side of the fence. Much stem cell research

does

>not use an aborted fetus it uses an embryo grown from a fertilized egg and

> " sacraficed " to study. Using the arguments that have been presented would

>be akin to saying " Thousands of people die daily and are either burned or

>put in the ground. The bodies could be processed into high level protein

to

>feed starving nations, or made into fertilizer to help produce crops. The

>fat could be made into soap and the skin into leather. " Radical, but no

the

>only difference is that an adult body would be used. The advent of organ

>donation has shown that many people offer to buy and sell organs, though it

>is illegal. Would the commercial production of fetal tissue be next? Not

>impossible. Even the sale of babies for adoption has not been completely

>stopped. I do not oppose the research, but there are other methods to

>obtain stem cells. Cord blood and skin have been used with success. I say

>support the research using things that do not require the loss of life to

>obtain, be that loss voluntairy or involuntairy.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

-----Original Message-----

From: Gail Tibbetts <gltibbetts@...>

< >

Date: Sunday, June 24, 2001 1:58 AM

Subject: RE: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

>I heard that they are now doing stem cell studies that they get from body

>fat.

>If that one works... there will be no end to the supply out there to help

>that cause/research.

>

>Gail

>

>>>True, but there was something about the stem cells from fetus's being

more concentrated, and better then the other kinds, can't recall it just

now. Its in the archives here. ~>Becky M.

>-----Original Message-----

>From: Lamar son [mailto:lls@...]

>Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 12:54 AM

>

>Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

>

>

>

> I am totally on the other side of the fence. Much stem cell research

does

>not use an aborted fetus it uses an embryo grown from a fertilized egg and

> " sacraficed " to study. Using the arguments that have been presented would

>be akin to saying " Thousands of people die daily and are either burned or

>put in the ground. The bodies could be processed into high level protein

to

>feed starving nations, or made into fertilizer to help produce crops. The

>fat could be made into soap and the skin into leather. " Radical, but no

the

>only difference is that an adult body would be used. The advent of organ

>donation has shown that many people offer to buy and sell organs, though it

>is illegal. Would the commercial production of fetal tissue be next? Not

>impossible. Even the sale of babies for adoption has not been completely

>stopped. I do not oppose the research, but there are other methods to

>obtain stem cells. Cord blood and skin have been used with success. I say

>support the research using things that do not require the loss of life to

>obtain, be that loss voluntairy or involuntairy.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Medical people use the term aborted and abortion indiscriminately for both

forced abortions and what the lay people call miscarriages. It is confusing.

Fetuses that have been miscarried are just as dead, but they were not

intentionally put to death. It's an act of nature. It may occur when the

fetus is developing wrong and nature decides to give it up. It's a natural

event that has been happening forever, to humans and other animals alike.

It's also called spontaneous abortion. It's an act of nature.

I think it's important to realize that there are natural and unnatural

abortions when reading news articles. Reporters and medical people lump them

all together, which is misleading and unfortunate, in my opinion. I have no

trouble with the idea of using material from spontaneous abortions for

research.

Kat

[Guest guest]

Kat

Correct as to the terminology. The problem from the use of material from

spontaneous abortions are many. First, they are often dead some time before

being expelled. Second the family often would not allow it sometimes

preferring burial. Then of course, there are often severe cellular as well

as structural abnormalities to start with. There are cases where it could

be done with permission and I like you said, would not be opposed to those.

----- Original Message -----

From: KathleenLS@...

Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 11:33 AM

Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

Medical people use the term aborted and abortion indiscriminately for both

forced abortions and what the lay people call miscarriages. It is

confusing.

Fetuses that have been miscarried are just as dead, but they were not

intentionally put to death. It's an act of nature. It may occur when the

fetus is developing wrong and nature decides to give it up. It's a natural

event that has been happening forever, to humans and other animals alike.

It's also called spontaneous abortion. It's an act of nature.

I think it's important to realize that there are natural and unnatural

abortions when reading news articles. Reporters and medical people lump

them

all together, which is misleading and unfortunate, in my opinion. I have

no

trouble with the idea of using material from spontaneous abortions for

research.

Kat

[Guest guest]

.....And before someone says, but organ donations come

> from those who died naturally, and their lives were not ended on purpose,

> well no, that's not true. A person who dies naturally of " OLD " age they

> dont' want their organs, they are old! They use organs from accident

> victims, murdered victims, etc, even those put to death by the state,

> (execution) ~>Becky M.

>True Becky, but an Abortion is TOTALLY preventable and sort of makes that

argument moot, IMO.

> >

[Guest guest]

Lamar,

I absolutely agree!

----- Original Message -----

From: Lamar son <lls@...>

< >

Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 1:54 AM

Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

>

> I am totally on the other side of the fence. Much stem cell research

does

> not use an aborted fetus it uses an embryo grown from a fertilized egg and

> " sacraficed " to study. Using the arguments that have been presented would

> be akin to saying " Thousands of people die daily and are either burned or

> put in the ground. The bodies could be processed into high level protein

to

> feed starving nations, or made into fertilizer to help produce crops. The

> fat could be made into soap and the skin into leather. " Radical, but no

the

> only difference is that an adult body would be used. The advent of organ

> donation has shown that many people offer to buy and sell organs, though

it

> is illegal. Would the commercial production of fetal tissue be next? Not

> impossible. Even the sale of babies for adoption has not been completely

> stopped. I do not oppose the research, but there are other methods to

> obtain stem cells. Cord blood and skin have been used with success. I

say

> support the research using things that do not require the loss of life to

> obtain, be that loss voluntairy or involuntairy.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

This whole topic about using stem cells and vice versa is sickening[did anyone

ever think that these little souls had a purpose maybe they were there because

in the great plan of life they were going to grow up and find a cure

for,CANCER,CMT,AIDS etc and now we want to use bits of them no thankyou i would

rather have cmt thanking you carolyn

----- Original Message -----

From: Mr. Bracamontes

Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 11:20 AM

Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

Lamar,

I absolutely agree!

----- Original Message -----

From: Lamar son <lls@...>

< >

Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 1:54 AM

Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

>

> I am totally on the other side of the fence. Much stem cell research

does

> not use an aborted fetus it uses an embryo grown from a fertilized egg and

> " sacraficed " to study. Using the arguments that have been presented would

> be akin to saying " Thousands of people die daily and are either burned or

> put in the ground. The bodies could be processed into high level protein

to

> feed starving nations, or made into fertilizer to help produce crops. The

> fat could be made into soap and the skin into leather. " Radical, but no

the

> only difference is that an adult body would be used. The advent of organ

> donation has shown that many people offer to buy and sell organs, though

it

> is illegal. Would the commercial production of fetal tissue be next? Not

> impossible. Even the sale of babies for adoption has not been completely

> stopped. I do not oppose the research, but there are other methods to

> obtain stem cells. Cord blood and skin have been used with success. I

say

> support the research using things that do not require the loss of life to

> obtain, be that loss voluntairy or involuntairy.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The only problem that I have with using a miscarried fetus is that I feel

the mother should have to sign a release for the use of that biological

material, just as a family member has to sign a release for the use of a

loved ones' organs or tissues. Ordinally, I would not have thought about it

that way, but having suffered a miscarriage after 10 long years of trying to

conceive, my mind can not wrap itself around using that baby that way,

because I believe that life begins at conception. I know that science has

other, perhaps not as convenient, but just as effective ways to continue

with stem cell research that will eventually benefit us all, without having

to sacrifice anything. Impatience and medical research are two terms that

should never be put together.

----- Original Message -----

From: <KathleenLS@...>

< >

Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 10:33 AM

Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

> Medical people use the term aborted and abortion indiscriminately for both

> forced abortions and what the lay people call miscarriages. It is

confusing.

> Fetuses that have been miscarried are just as dead, but they were not

> intentionally put to death. It's an act of nature. It may occur when the

> fetus is developing wrong and nature decides to give it up. It's a natural

> event that has been happening forever, to humans and other animals alike.

> It's also called spontaneous abortion. It's an act of nature.

>

> I think it's important to realize that there are natural and unnatural

> abortions when reading news articles. Reporters and medical people lump

them

> all together, which is misleading and unfortunate, in my opinion. I have

no

> trouble with the idea of using material from spontaneous abortions for

> research.

>

> Kat

>

>

[Guest guest]

Becky,

I'm a sci-fi nut too, it's SOYLENT GREEN, a particularly yucky movie, but a

classic.

----- Original Message -----

From: Maxwell <rmax@...>

< >

Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 2:11 AM

Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Lamar son <lls@...>

> < >

> Date: Sunday, June 24, 2001 1:49 AM

> Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

>

>

> >>>Lamar, sounds like you watched that old movie, (science fiction) with

> Charlton Heston? Think thats the name, title Green something or the other

> where the goverment was doing just what you suggested with the bodys! LOL

>

> >>>>>>There will ALWAYS be those who exploit. Those who have lots of

money

> and are that type of person, and those who are greedy and want lots of

money

> and are that type of person. The world is not perfect, and I think it

never

> will be, but why ban what will help others when it will be trashed anyway?

> Not ALL stem cells come from a petrie dish. Wish I could remember the

name

> of that dang movie, you described it to a tee! OH.......Soyent Green?

> Something like that will call a friend who owns video store and ask her

> tomarrow! LOL~>Becky M.

>

>

>

> > I am totally on the other side of the fence. Much stem cell research

> does

> >not use an aborted fetus it uses an embryo grown from a fertilized egg

and

> > " sacraficed " to study. Using the arguments that have been presented

would

> >be akin to saying " Thousands of people die daily and are either burned or

> >put in the ground. The bodies could be processed into high level protein

> to

> >feed starving nations, or made into fertilizer to help produce crops.

The

> >fat could be made into soap and the skin into leather. " Radical, but no

> the

> >only difference is that an adult body would be used. The advent of organ

> >donation has shown that many people offer to buy and sell organs, though

it

> >is illegal. Would the commercial production of fetal tissue be next?

Not

> >impossible. Even the sale of babies for adoption has not been

completely

> >stopped. I do not oppose the research, but there are other methods to

> >obtain stem cells. Cord blood and skin have been used with success. I

say

> >support the research using things that do not require the loss of life to

> >obtain, be that loss voluntairy or involuntairy.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

-----Original Message-----

From: Mr. Bracamontes <bracamontes@...>

< >

Date: Sunday, June 24, 2001 8:13 PM

Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

>>True Becky, but an Abortion is TOTALLY preventable and sort of makes that

>argument moot, IMO.

>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>True it is. But being PREVENTABLE still does not make them not

happen does it? ~>Becky M.

[Guest guest]

-----Original Message-----

From: Mark Scotney <scotcmjml@...>

< >

Date: Sunday, June 24, 2001 8:25 PM

Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

>This whole topic about using stem cells and vice versa is sickening[did

anyone ever think that these little souls had a purpose maybe they were

there because in the great plan of life they were going to grow up and find

a cure for,CANCER,CMT,AIDS etc and now we want to use bits of them no

thankyou i would rather have cmt thanking you carolyn

>

>>>>But the point is they we not allowed to continue to grow, so they would

never be able to do Research or what ever. WE or I did not would not

discontinue their lives, the mother decideds that or fate does. So what

they could of done or been is not the issue.

[Guest guest]

-----Original Message-----

From: Mr. Bracamontes <bracamontes@...>

< >

Date: Sunday, June 24, 2001 8:53 PM

Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

>Becky,

>I'm a sci-fi nut too, it's SOYLENT GREEN, a particularly yucky movie, but a

>classic.

>

>>>>>>I was close! LOL I said soyent green! ~>Becky M.

>----- Original Message -----

>From: Maxwell <rmax@...>

>< >

>Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 2:11 AM

>Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

>

>

>>

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Lamar son <lls@...>

>> < >

>> Date: Sunday, June 24, 2001 1:49 AM

>> Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

>>

>>

>> >>>Lamar, sounds like you watched that old movie, (science fiction) with

>> Charlton Heston? Think thats the name, title Green something or the other

>> where the goverment was doing just what you suggested with the bodys!

LOL

>>

>> >>>>>>There will ALWAYS be those who exploit. Those who have lots of

>money

>> and are that type of person, and those who are greedy and want lots of

>money

>> and are that type of person. The world is not perfect, and I think it

>never

>> will be, but why ban what will help others when it will be trashed

anyway?

>> Not ALL stem cells come from a petrie dish. Wish I could remember the

>name

>> of that dang movie, you described it to a tee! OH.......Soyent Green?

>> Something like that will call a friend who owns video store and ask her

>> tomarrow! LOL~>Becky M.

>>

>>

>>

>> > I am totally on the other side of the fence. Much stem cell research

>> does

>> >not use an aborted fetus it uses an embryo grown from a fertilized egg

>and

>> > " sacraficed " to study. Using the arguments that have been presented

>would

>> >be akin to saying " Thousands of people die daily and are either burned

or

>> >put in the ground. The bodies could be processed into high level

protein

>> to

>> >feed starving nations, or made into fertilizer to help produce crops.

>The

>> >fat could be made into soap and the skin into leather. " Radical, but no

>> the

>> >only difference is that an adult body would be used. The advent of

organ

>> >donation has shown that many people offer to buy and sell organs, though

>it

>> >is illegal. Would the commercial production of fetal tissue be next?

>Not

>> >impossible. Even the sale of babies for adoption has not been

>completely

>> >stopped. I do not oppose the research, but there are other methods to

>> >obtain stem cells. Cord blood and skin have been used with success. I

>say

>> >support the research using things that do not require the loss of life

to

>> >obtain, be that loss voluntairy or involuntairy.

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

They also get stem cells from eggs that have been fertilized for invetro. The

cells would other wise be washed down the drain.

jenny

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/24/2001 10:48:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

rmax@... writes:

> >This whole topic about using stem cells and vice versa is sickening[did

> anyone ever think that these little souls had a purpose maybe they were

> there because in the great plan of life they were going to grow up and find

> a cure for,CANCER,CMT,AIDS etc and now we want to use bits of them no

> thankyou i would rather have cmt thanking you carolyn

>

This is just another way to look at it. I do respect your opionion.

Not everyone will choose life but wouldn't it be nice to have that unborn

life help my children and grandchildren be able to create a life without the

hardships of CMT. Those stems cells have given my family the ultimate. It

made that life matter even if never born.

jenny

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/24/2001 6:33:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

scotcmjml@... writes:

> This whole topic about using stem cells and vice versa is sickening[did

> anyone ever think that these little souls had a purpose maybe they were

> there because in the great plan of life they were going to grow up and

>

Maybe they still can find cures just in another way?

[Guest guest]

SOYLENT GREEN

Charleton Heston and the final screen appearance of G. who

passed away while the film was being shot I believe. Just a little trivia.

----- Original Message -----

From: Maxwell <rmax@...>

< >

Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 12:11 AM

Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Lamar son <lls@...>

> < >

> Date: Sunday, June 24, 2001 1:49 AM

> Subject: Re: [] Stem cells for neuro diseases including CMT

>

>

> >>>Lamar, sounds like you watched that old movie, (science fiction) with

> Charlton Heston? Think thats the name, title Green something or the other

> where the goverment was doing just what you suggested with the bodys! LOL

>

> >>>>>>There will ALWAYS be those who exploit. Those who have lots of

money

> and are that type of person, and those who are greedy and want lots of

money

> and are that type of person. The world is not perfect, and I think it

never

> will be, but why ban what will help others when it will be trashed anyway?

> Not ALL stem cells come from a petrie dish. Wish I could remember the

name

> of that dang movie, you described it to a tee! OH.......Soyent Green?

> Something like that will call a friend who owns video store and ask her

> tomarrow! LOL~>Becky M.

>

>

>

> > I am totally on the other side of the fence. Much stem cell research

> does

> >not use an aborted fetus it uses an embryo grown from a fertilized egg

and

> > " sacraficed " to study. Using the arguments that have been presented

would

> >be akin to saying " Thousands of people die daily and are either burned or

> >put in the ground. The bodies could be processed into high level protein

> to

> >feed starving nations, or made into fertilizer to help produce crops.

The

> >fat could be made into soap and the skin into leather. " Radical, but no

> the

> >only difference is that an adult body would be used. The advent of organ

> >donation has shown that many people offer to buy and sell organs, though

it

> >is illegal. Would the commercial production of fetal tissue be next?

Not

> >impossible. Even the sale of babies for adoption has not been

completely

> >stopped. I do not oppose the research, but there are other methods to

> >obtain stem cells. Cord blood and skin have been used with success. I

say

> >support the research using things that do not require the loss of life to

> >obtain, be that loss voluntairy or involuntairy.

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I have just now tuned in to the stem cell discussion and I will not

elaborate on the subject only to say, they are now using stem cells from

" placenta's " . They are much more effective.

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