Re: Digest Number 80

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Everyone can also vote in an identical poll in the AF Times. Address is:

www.airforcetimes.com

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Last time I checked the AF Times poll this morning, 74% opposed forced

vaccines.

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Several postings today concerned the Canadian experience. I can't pull up the

article from the website, so I'll reprint a short Montreal Gazette article

dated Jan 22, 1999, p. 6.

TITLE: MILITARY OUT OF ANTHRAX VACCINE FOR GULF VETERANS

By Southam News

OTTAWA--The Canadian Forces have cut short anthrax inoculations for troops who

served in the Persian Gulf last year because the U. S. government stopped

supplying the vaccine, the Department of National Defence says.

About 570 navy and air force personnel who took part in the embargo against

Iraq have not received the full complement of six inoculations of vaccine for

protection against the deadly bacteria, says the latest edition of Maple Leaf,

the Canadian Forces newspaper.

Most of the troops arrived in the Gulf region in early 1998 and began

receiving their vaccinations to protect against possible biological warfare in

March.

Lt Judith , a Canadian Forces public-affairs officer, confirmed

yesterday the Maple Leaf report that the anthrax vaccination program wa

discontinued before completion.

" The United States governmetn has quarantined all production of the anthrax

vaccination, " the Maple Leaf quaoted Lt.-Col Jean- Bernier as saying.

A Winnipeg-based airman, Sgt. Mike Kipling, was charged with willfully and

without reasonable excuse disobeying an oder to take the vaccine last year.

He said an anthrax inoculation during the 1991 Gulf War made him ill.

End of article.

Comment: the Lt Col quoted probably meant production had stopped, not that

the entire stockpile had been quarantined (sp?). Nevertheless, another

example of how the U. S. government not only doesn't follow the licensed

protocol for administering the product, but can't help allies correctly,

either.

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A longer article on the Feres doctrine (no military medical malpractice

lawsuit policy) appeared last Friday, Jan 29, p. A6. Written by

Kilpatrick, there are some relevant and potentially promising developments

mentioned. Some quotes from the article titled " Wronged military dependents

have no remedy at law " :

" Nearly 50 years have passed since the Supreme Court created a manifest

injustice in the case of Bernice Feres. Now the court has an opportunity to

correct that error by accepting the case of Marilyn Minns. Every man and

woman in the armed services will be watching. "

" The story goes back to a December night in 1947, when 1st Lt. Randolph J.

Feres died in a fire in an Army barracks at Pine Camp, N. Y. His widow sued

the U. S. charging a defective heating plant was responsible, but in 1950 the

Supreme Court dismissed her suit. . . Members of the armed services. . . may

not sue the government for death or injury resulting from activities 'incident

to service.' "

" Sgt Brand Minns, Pvt. F. Blake and Chief Petty Officer Walsh are

veterans of the Persian Gulf War of 1991. In preparation for the war they

were inoculated with drugs intended to protect them from biological and

chemical attacks.. . . Following the war, each service-man returned to his wife

and fathered a child who was born with serious birth defects.. . . The

children's parents advance a plausible claim for damages. They believe that

powerful toxins were stored in the servicemen's semen and thus were passed on

to their wives, to be released during pregnancy. "

" . . . Feres has been widely criticized. The most forceful criticism came

from four dissenting members of the Supreme Court itself in 1987. . . they

scoffed at the notion that suits for service-related injuries would unduly

interfere with military discipline. "

" I (Kilpatrick) hope the high court agrees to hear the Minns case, because I

believe Feres was wrongly decided and should be abandoned, . . . the high

court that made the Feres doctrine in 1950 could unmake it in 1999. "

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Please vote once, and only once, on each of the AF and the Navy Times polls.

Thanks,

Capt. Tom " Buzz " Rempfer

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You can also find the same poll at armytimes.com and marinetimes.com.

Please go and vote and get our voices heard. Thank you and God Bless

all of you.

Tim <(((><

---TRempfer@... wrote:

>

> From: TRempfer@...

>

> Please vote once, and only once, on each of the AF and the Navy

Times polls.

> Thanks,

>

> Capt. Tom " Buzz " Rempfer

>

>

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Tom,

In my post, I believe that I called you " Todd " Sorry for the slip.

Mail me if you want to talk about what I said in my post. It really

burned me up!

Gerry

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Hello!

I was just wondering if any of you are familiar with asudden

change in your childs presentation of JRA, if thats the right way of

describing it. has always only had severe trouble with his

right knee joint and occasional neck stiffness for the whole of the

first two years of his diagnosis. Six months ago he developed flares

in his left knee too. Now recently, first he developed a flare in his

left ankle and left wrist and just when this had subsided, he started

a flare in the same places of his right ankle and wrist, although

this was to a lesser degree. He seems to have broken away from his

usual pattern of getting a stomach upset and then a few days later,

starting a flare. There was no real warning to his wrist and ankles

flaring, apart from jason complaining that his foot hurt a few days

before and his hands had been shaking when he tried to write or carry

anything. No stomach problems this time. His medication has`nt

changed apart from the fact after coming off voltarol three months

ago he still is`nt on a replacement, only the methotrexate, folic

acid and pain relievers. Could it be that the methotrexate is not

controlling the arthritis....he is`nt due to go back to hospital for

another five weeks.

Is it quite possible that his condition is

changing or what? its really worrying me, and the frequency of

attacks is really getting jason down. just when he picks up and gets

back to school he goes down with another. If any of you have children

who have suffered symptoms in their ankles or wrists, is there

anything i can do to help jason feel more comfortable with it? when

he gets it in his knees he is bandaged and has regular ice packs

which do seem to help in the short term.

Thanks for this

carol

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Carol,

You don't mention prednisolone, so I assume that is not taking any?

When my son suffers like this, we usually attempt to get him into the

hospital as quickly as possible so they can attempt to control the disease

quickly. It sounds like he could do with a little pick-me-up (perhaps IV

methylpred for a few days) to get him through this flare, perhaps followed

by an adjustment to his MTX dose? The IV methylpred is not a particularly

pleasant treatment, but he is generally bouncing around when he comes home

at the weekend.

I don't really have any particular suggestions to make him more comfortable

when these flares occur, we just keep on dispensing the pain killers and get

some stronger meds prescribed as quickly as possible.

Best Wishes,

Oliver

> [ ] Re: Digest Number 80

>

> From: " carol cleaver " <ccleaver@...>

>

> Hello!

> I was just wondering if any of you are familiar with asudden

> change in your childs presentation of JRA, if thats the right way of

> describing it. has always only had severe trouble with his

> right knee joint and occasional neck stiffness for the whole of the

> first two years of his diagnosis. Six months ago he developed flares

> in his left knee too. Now recently, first he developed a flare in his

> left ankle and left wrist and just when this had subsided, he started

> a flare in the same places of his right ankle and wrist, although

> this was to a lesser degree. He seems to have broken away from his

> usual pattern of getting a stomach upset and then a few days later,

> starting a flare. There was no real warning to his wrist and ankles

> flaring, apart from jason complaining that his foot hurt a few days

> before and his hands had been shaking when he tried to write or carry

> anything. No stomach problems this time. His medication has`nt

> changed apart from the fact after coming off voltarol three months

> ago he still is`nt on a replacement, only the methotrexate, folic

> acid and pain relievers. Could it be that the methotrexate is not

> controlling the arthritis....he is`nt due to go back to hospital for

> another five weeks.

> Is it quite possible that his condition is

> changing or what? its really worrying me, and the frequency of

> attacks is really getting jason down. just when he picks up and gets

> back to school he goes down with another. If any of you have children

> who have suffered symptoms in their ankles or wrists, is there

> anything i can do to help jason feel more comfortable with it? when

> he gets it in his knees he is bandaged and has regular ice packs

> which do seem to help in the short term.

> Thanks for this

> carol

>

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Hi Carol,

In Diego's case he had a big flare until two weeks ago. The doctor told us

that this condition was due to the last infections that Diego caught like

colds or insect sting in an eye and the dose of Pred that he took was low .

His JRA now is polyarticular, he is taking 40mg of Prednisone for this week

and four pills of MTX. He has now, a little tremor on his right leg (only

when he lifts the leg) because he had pain many days (according to what the

doctor told us) . But this should dissapear with the time.

About having him comfortable.... It was very difficult, overalls because the

pains were in the dawns. Some days I put him in a tub with water and that

relaxed him something...

Regards,

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From: " carol cleaver " <ccleaver@...>

Hello!

I was just wondering if any of you are familiar with asudden

change in your childs presentation of JRA, if thats the right way of

describing it. has always only had severe trouble with his

right knee joint and occasional neck stiffness for the whole of the

first two years of his diagnosis. Six months ago he developed flares

in his left knee too. Now recently, first he developed a flare in his

left ankle and left wrist and just when this had subsided, he started

a flare in the same places of his right ankle and wrist, although

this was to a lesser degree. He seems to have broken away from his

usual pattern of getting a stomach upset and then a few days later,

starting a flare. There was no real warning to his wrist and ankles

flaring, apart from jason complaining that his foot hurt a few days

before and his hands had been shaking when he tried to write or carry

anything. No stomach problems this time. His medication has`nt

changed apart from the fact after coming off voltarol three months

ago he still is`nt on a replacement, only the methotrexate, folic

acid and pain relievers. Could it be that the methotrexate is not

controlling the arthritis....he is`nt due to go back to hospital for

another five weeks.

Is it quite possible that his condition is

changing or what? its really worrying me, and the frequency of

attacks is really getting jason down. just when he picks up and gets

back to school he goes down with another. If any of you have children

who have suffered symptoms in their ankles or wrists, is there

anything i can do to help jason feel more comfortable with it? when

he gets it in his knees he is bandaged and has regular ice packs

which do seem to help in the short term.

Thanks for this

carol

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Hi Carol,

I notice that warm/hot baths help when she's feeling that way. As

for stomach upset, is on Zantac to counteract the naprosyn and it's

really helped her alot.

Tracey

carol cleaver wrote:

> From: " carol cleaver " <ccleaver@...>

>

> Hello!

> I was just wondering if any of you are familiar with asudden

> change in your childs presentation of JRA, if thats the right way of

> describing it. has always only had severe trouble with his

> right knee joint and occasional neck stiffness for the whole of the

> first two years of his diagnosis. Six months ago he developed flares

> in his left knee too. Now recently, first he developed a flare in his

> left ankle and left wrist and just when this had subsided, he started

> a flare in the same places of his right ankle and wrist, although

> this was to a lesser degree. He seems to have broken away from his

> usual pattern of getting a stomach upset and then a few days later,

> starting a flare. There was no real warning to his wrist and ankles

> flaring, apart from jason complaining that his foot hurt a few days

> before and his hands had been shaking when he tried to write or carry

> anything. No stomach problems this time. His medication has`nt

> changed apart from the fact after coming off voltarol three months

> ago he still is`nt on a replacement, only the methotrexate, folic

> acid and pain relievers. Could it be that the methotrexate is not

> controlling the arthritis....he is`nt due to go back to hospital for

> another five weeks.

> Is it quite possible that his condition is

> changing or what? its really worrying me, and the frequency of

> attacks is really getting jason down. just when he picks up and gets

> back to school he goes down with another. If any of you have children

> who have suffered symptoms in their ankles or wrists, is there

> anything i can do to help jason feel more comfortable with it? when

> he gets it in his knees he is bandaged and has regular ice packs

> which do seem to help in the short term.

> Thanks for this

> carol

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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> http://www.ONElist.com

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you add any fragrence at the end, when your soap has reached trace, its

better to mix it in with a little of the soap first and then pour it in with

the rest

if you use blenders, bowls, etc that you use for cooking also, make sure you

rinse them with vinager afterand wash them thoroughly before using again.

although it is recommended that you use seperate dishes just for soaping,

I myself can afford seperate blenders etc, then again, I dont use my blender

much at all

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Hi All,

My name is , I live in Virginia and am very, very

new to soap making. I have just made some soap using

soap noodles and it turned out OK. Not the best, but

I belive it will be usable. I just read the message

to Kris from Soapnshop and her recipe sounds great!

Now what I was wondering is, I understand you don't

have to do all of the temp stuff, but when do you add

a fo? I hope this doesn't sound too dense, but I am

so new to this, that it boogles my mind! I also take

it that you do not use your good blender, but one just

for soaping. Sorry for the silly questions, but I just

want to do it right.

Thanks in advance.

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In a message dated 11/1/99 8:13:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,

cures for AIDSonelist writes:

> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 18:44:37 -0500

> From: Bob <recbo@...>

> Subject: CD4 counts increase from 30 on March 3rd to 495 by April 29th

>

> http://www.execpc.com/~keephope/report11.html

>

I haven't seen the studies, but have heard noted reboundologist Dave Hall

claim that lymphasizing (a gentle exercise that pumps the lymphatic system)

on a rebounder can triple one's immune system in one minute. This seems

reasonable if you consider that doing this causes every cell in your body to

fluctuate between extra g-force and weightlessness over 100 times in that

minute. The cell is somewhat like a water balloon, but able to absorb

nutrition (oxygen) and expel waste products. The extra gravity developed on

the rebounder compresses the cell and forces waste out more effectively. The

vigorous activity also releases trapped proteins throughout the body. The

t-cell count will rise from all this dirt dumped into the bloodstream. Once

it is cleaned up, it should drop back down to " normal. "

Even the AIDS industry has known since the Concorde study that t-cell counts

are not a valid surrogate marker for AIDS. High t-cells are a symptom of

high toxicity, not high health. It is amazing to see people remaining

relatively healthy but still under the stress of fighting an alleged virus,

albeit holistically. In my book, you're not " cured " until you stop giving

credence to the viral theory of AIDS, taking the foolish tests and visiting

the MDs (Merchants of Death).

If you'd like to learn more about what rebounding does for health, check out

Dr. Morton 's paper in The Townsend Letter for Doctors. <A

HREF= " http://www.needakmfg.com/ " >Welcome to Needak Mfg. - Home of the Needak®

....</A> There's also an interesting article at this site on Cellular

Exercise. It's a commercial site. but don't buy anything there. I can save

you about 20%.) <A HREF= " http://members.aol.com/helthbound/index.html " >

's Discovery Page

Ed</A>

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Gotta get to bed but just HAD to log on one more time to check the mail- :

) , you just have to be patient. Risperdal can start to show some

effects in 3-7 days, but (well, I just remembered that I'm repeating Joan)-

it can take from 4-6 weeks to have full effect. So you most likely won't

see any changes for several days yet, and things might be very, very subtle

for a while. And it is " protocol " to give a med that makes you sleepy at

bedtime. I'm gonna nag you now to write stuff down. Even if is still

acting the same, write down what kind of a day he's having. You'll

appreciate the calendar to refer to if things change slowly and subtly.

And also, I'm going to repeat what Joan said- and also, this is just with

all meds- you still have to do all the other stuff- the behavior management

plan, the sensory integration, the speech therapy. Be as consistent as you

possibly can with his schedule and routine. You want to be able to figure

out what the meds are helping with and what might be an environmental

effect.

So glad to hear you are finally able to do this for . Just take a deep

breath and keep an open mind about the results. The whole point of meds

for our kids is to enable them to be open to the world and to be able to

focus on learning, whether it be from social situations, from play, or from

school. That our kids become happier kids when meds have the desired

affect is also due to the fact that we're no longer nagging or crying or

screaming as well- ( or not as often!) and they're getting more positive

juice from us. Saying " the drugs helped " can still be contingent on the

entire ball of wax, since no one lives in a sterile environment.

Actually, after thinking about this for a moment, it IS possible that your

DH doesn't have a tough time with . It's possible that responds

better to Dad because he's a guy. ( Ben ALWAYS chooses a man over a

woman- doesn't always mean he'll be better behaved but sometimes it ends up

that way.) Anyway, I know there are developmental stages when kids ID with

one parent over the other, but I have conveniently forgotten the major

portion of child development stages because it always seemed so futile.

Joan, Honey, are you baaaaack??? Good to see that little " j " at the end of

a post again!!!

Well, the glass of wine I was sipping on because I took Sudafed earlier

today and it wired me up and now I'm not sleepy is gone. Guess I'd better

git.

Love and hugs, one and all - oh, and to Leah and (is it Maureen?) who

are doing the nasty school battle thing-- blessings and prayers. Nothing

is more depressing than the relentless battles with schools. Also the same

to Kara, who sounds like she's also got a nasty fight ahead. =: o

Beth

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This is for Alley/ alleypat@...

I have been trying to reply to you by e-mail, will not go through, working

with combo treatment and the second about insurance help. If you still would

like to discuss these things, please e-mail me, I have tried 4 times, and it

will not go through.

CCAMPB3234@...

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I got my body brush at Target. I think it around $5.00. I think Walmart

would have them, too. Little health and beauty shops in the mall like The

Body Shop would probably have them, too.

I was interested to read that it's supposed to be helpful for cellulite.

Well, I'm really gonna be sure to continue with it! (g)

Dawn G.--Massachusetts

There were ghosts in the eyes of all the boys you sent away. They haunt this

dusty beach road in the skeleton frames of burned out Chevrolets...

<A HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/dawnpage99/myhomepage/index.html " >About

Dawn...</A>

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Vicky it is true on how cruel people can be. I have found out just how cruel family can be when they find out. My family tried to keep my 11 yr. old daughter away due to my Hep C but PTL it didn't work cause I got her back and she is doing great.

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,

Thank you so much for info on treatment. I see the doctor tomorrow

t get all the results of my biopsy. All i know right now is that i have

cirrhosis. I am trying to keep a positive attitude, but for some reason

i am feeling weaker everyday. I am hoping treatment will help.

Vicky, i feel for you, people are cruel and ignorant. I would

talk to your daughters teacher and explain to her about HCV. I lost alot

of friends when i found out to, but now i have a new bunch of true

friends to be with. Good luck and don't blame yourself. You know if we

all had a choice none of us would have this illness.

Terri

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Diane I want ya to know I'll be with ya in spirit tomorrow. God knows what he's doing girl. Don't worry and keep the faith. We are here for ya waiting for the GOOD NEWS you'll have to tell us. I want to tell ya Lynn, it's a pleasure meeting you. I was in the United Arab Emerates Dubai.. That was an experience and we also called it an American School. Went 6 days a week. Hope to hear from ya soon and keep in touch.

[Guest guest]

Thanks everyone for everything. Things seem to be much better today for my baby. Someone said it earlier, this group is the best medication there is!

HAPPY BIRTHDAY D!!!! I hope you had a nice day. Jan, sore throats goes with the treatment (at least it does for me). Hang in there hon, it will pass and Diane, Philly has not been the same since the game last week Glad to see Lynn is still coming back. This group really seems to be jumping again with everyone back , Dennis, Fran, Terri and if I forgot anyone, "ITS THE MEDICINE". Love and Prayers to All.

Vicky

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I always blame the meds for the brain fog. Best excuse I could use. It's when my hubby says "Honey I think that medicine is making you forget" and I look at him...pout and say no it's not. Then I catch myself and say darn then that means it's really me losing it....lol. Our mates.we should have some pity on them for putting up with us. I know I stay tired also and with this blasted sore throat it makes it worse. The whole left side of my face and head hurt. Kinda like an earache. Don't know. I use cough drops due to the cough and that NASTY spray that numbs your throat. Well goodnight all. I need to get a little rest. It's hard due to the fact I took my shot tonight.

[Guest guest]

Hi Terri,

Good luck tomorrow at the Dr. I have to go also...... See my primary

about the calcification of my stomach aorta.... He will tell me what if

anything we will do.... Can't take the meds. that they would give me due

to the liver....... I am taking with me a positive attitude and lots of

prayers.... I am sending them with you too Terri.. ;o Isn't it strange

that if I didn't break my ankle and hurt my back that this problem may

have went undetected till it was too late.... God works in mysterious

ways. The strange part is I don't smoke. I eat nothing I shouldn't,

don't drink, and I still have a problem.... I strongly feel this is from

the Hep c....... Who has heard of hardening of the arteries in a 53 year

old who takes care of herself???????

Angel Hugs,

Diane

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My ex told my kids I had Aids and they couldn't hug me or give me a kiss. OUCH! That one hurt> I explained it alot better. Hell I was married to him for 14 yrs. and never knew he was a Dr. ...... Oh that's right he ISN'T.

[Guest guest]

Janet, I'm so happy things worked out there. I didn't

have too much trouble with my ex.(and visitation)

After all, she was married to me for 13 years while I

had it and she never became infected. My current wife

is negative as well. I just had a frank talk with my

son about how he cannot play around with my razor (as

growing kids like to do) or my toothbrush. I guess

I've been lucky on that front. I told them at work and

my manager was very supportive, it turns out somebody

close to her has it (or has had it), so she wasn't

entirely ignorant of it. -dz-

--- Jannewilms42@... wrote:

> Vicky it is true on how cruel people can be. I have

> found out just how cruel

> family can be when they find out. My family tried to

> keep my 11 yr. old

> daughter away due to my Hep C but PTL it didn't work

> cause I got her back and

> she is doing great.

>

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