Re: Let's talk about shrunken balls, shall we?

[Guest guest]

On my next visit to my doctor at the VA, I am going to talk to her about my

balls getting smaller. Hopefully she will recommend HCG for me. It all

depends if they have it in the system. I have been on testosterone shots

now for about 6 years. I had one testicle removed because of testiscular

cancer, and the other one has shrunken up.

Bob

Dayton, Ohio

In a message dated 8/11/2010 10:27:03 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

bfwl54@... writes:

Phil, does the HCG need to be refrigerated? and where is the best place

to get it? what size gauge needs are best and where do you get those?

thanks. Bill

From: pmgamer18@...

Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 07:21:39 -0700

Subject: Re: Let's talk about shrunken balls, shall we?

Todd you can still find out if your Testis work by going on HCG doing 500

IU's 3x's a week then do labs after the 15th shot. I don't like to tell

men to do meds without there Dr. But you can buy HCG from the ADC without a

Dr.'s script but you need to learn how to give your self a shot. Have you

tired showing your Dr.'s Dr. 's paper on his TRT: A Recipe for Success

and his HCG update he puts this out there free for you and your Dr. at

www.allthingsmale.com

And this study supports what he says about HCG.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595

Here is a copy of a Cut and Paste from Dr. to me to help get my Dr.

to let me try HCG.

===================================================

He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am

guessing) there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several

reasons why this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any

HCG

you take will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous

testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels,

which is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin

with CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a

more natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of

life issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors

(including those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.

----------------------------------------------------

I went 23 yrs on TRT never feeling 100% because I was told I am Primary

and I am Secondary it's called Hypopituitary and for me it's from a head

injury some 29 yrs ago. You can read my story at this link and an update about

my Heart Bypass Surgery.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

Working with the wrong Dr. can mess up your life big time it did mine.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: aliveagain67 <aliveagain67@...>

> Subject: Let's talk about shrunken balls, shall we?

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 1:30 AM

> Hi Everyone-

>

> I'm 43, I've been on Androgel since November of '08.

> With a lot of advice from this forum, I was able to get my

> doctors to test appropriate hormone levels, do a pituitary

> MRI, etc, before the decision was made to try TRT.

>

> Two drawbacks...for whatever reason, they would not do a

> Chlomid test, to see if I was primary or secondary, so I

> never found out, and secondly, no one in my area will even

> discuss the use of HCG.

>

> So, it's just the gel, which has certainly helped me,

> although I have no doubt I could be doing better than I

> am...and now my balls have shrunken considerably.

>

> I'm in the midst of changing doctors, due to an insurance

> change, so I'm going to take another shot at adding HCG to

> my treatment.

>

> First off, will the introduction of HCG restore size to my

> testes, and secondly...WHY, are so many MDs afraid of HCG?

>

> Thanks.

>

> -Todd

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Todd you can still find out if your Testis work by going on HCG doing 500 IU's

3x's a week then do labs after the 15th shot. I don't like to tell men to do

meds without there Dr. But you can buy HCG from the ADC without a Dr.'s script

but you need to learn how to give your self a shot. Have you tired showing your

Dr.'s Dr. 's paper on his TRT: A Recipe for Success and his HCG update he

puts this out there free for you and your Dr. at www.allthingsmale.com

And this study supports what he says about HCG.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595

Here is a copy of a Cut and Paste from Dr. to me to help get my Dr. to let

me try HCG.

===================================================

He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing)

there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why

this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take

will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which

is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with

CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more

natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life

issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including

those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.

----------------------------------------------------

I went 23 yrs on TRT never feeling 100% because I was told I am Primary and I am

Secondary it's called Hypopituitary and for me it's from a head injury some 29

yrs ago. You can read my story at this link and an update about my Heart Bypass

Surgery.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

Working with the wrong Dr. can mess up your life big time it did mine.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: aliveagain67 <aliveagain67@...>

> Subject: Let's talk about shrunken balls, shall we?

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 1:30 AM

> Hi Everyone-

>

> I'm 43, I've been on Androgel since November of '08. 

> With a lot of advice from this forum, I was able to get my

> doctors to test appropriate hormone levels, do a pituitary

> MRI, etc, before the decision was made to try TRT.

>

> Two drawbacks...for whatever reason, they would not do a

> Chlomid test, to see if I was primary or secondary, so I

> never found out, and secondly, no one in my area will even

> discuss the use of HCG.

>

> So, it's just the gel, which has certainly helped me,

> although I have no doubt I could be doing better than I

> am...and now my balls have shrunken considerably.

>

> I'm in the midst of changing doctors, due to an insurance

> change, so I'm going to take another shot at adding HCG to

> my treatment.

>

> First off, will the introduction of HCG restore size to my

> testes, and secondly...WHY, are so many MDs afraid of HCG?

>

> Thanks.

>

> -Todd

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Phil, does the HCG need to be refrigerated? and where is the best place to get

it? what size gauge needs are best and where do you get those? thanks. Bill

From: pmgamer18@...

Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 07:21:39 -0700

Subject: Re: Let's talk about shrunken balls, shall we?

Todd you can still find out if your Testis work by going on HCG doing 500

IU's 3x's a week then do labs after the 15th shot. I don't like to tell men to

do meds without there Dr. But you can buy HCG from the ADC without a Dr.'s

script but you need to learn how to give your self a shot. Have you tired

showing your Dr.'s Dr. 's paper on his TRT: A Recipe for Success and his HCG

update he puts this out there free for you and your Dr. at www.allthingsmale.com

And this study supports what he says about HCG.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595

Here is a copy of a Cut and Paste from Dr. to me to help get my Dr. to let

me try HCG.

===================================================

He probably feels that since you suffer primary hypogonadism (I am guessing)

there is no use in adding HCG to your protocol. There are several reasons why

this is not so. First, you have not lost all Leydig cells, so any HCG you take

will stimulate those who still function to produce endogenous testosterone.

This will support testicular size. We should not ignore this aesthetic

consideration.

Next, if he reads my work, he will learn that HPTA-suppressed (as all TRT

patients are to some extent) also suffer decreased pregenenolone levels, which

is the first step after CHOL in all three hormonal pathways which begin with

CHOL. HCG increases pregnenolone production, and therefore restores a more

natural balance of our hormones.

Next, nearly all TRT patients who add in HCG to their regimens report an

increased sense of well-being and also libido. These are genuine quality of life

issues.

Finally, I just instinctively do not want all those LH receptors (including

those we have yet to discover and appreciate) unstimulated.

----------------------------------------------------

I went 23 yrs on TRT never feeling 100% because I was told I am Primary and I am

Secondary it's called Hypopituitary and for me it's from a head injury some 29

yrs ago. You can read my story at this link and an update about my Heart Bypass

Surgery.

http://forums.realthyroidhelp.com/viewtopic.php?f=5 & t=9239

Working with the wrong Dr. can mess up your life big time it did mine.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: aliveagain67 <aliveagain67@...>

> Subject: Let's talk about shrunken balls, shall we?

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 1:30 AM

> Hi Everyone-

>

> I'm 43, I've been on Androgel since November of '08.

> With a lot of advice from this forum, I was able to get my

> doctors to test appropriate hormone levels, do a pituitary

> MRI, etc, before the decision was made to try TRT.

>

> Two drawbacks...for whatever reason, they would not do a

> Chlomid test, to see if I was primary or secondary, so I

> never found out, and secondly, no one in my area will even

> discuss the use of HCG.

>

> So, it's just the gel, which has certainly helped me,

> although I have no doubt I could be doing better than I

> am...and now my balls have shrunken considerably.

>

> I'm in the midst of changing doctors, due to an insurance

> change, so I'm going to take another shot at adding HCG to

> my treatment.

>

> First off, will the introduction of HCG restore size to my

> testes, and secondly...WHY, are so many MDs afraid of HCG?

>

> Thanks.

>

> -Todd

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes after you mix HCG it needs to be kept in the fridge and is for most brands

only good for 30 days after you mix it. I use a BD 28 to 31g x 1/2 " lg. needle

to do my HCG shots.

http://www.amazon.com/BD-Syringes-Self-Contained-Micro-Fine-Permanently/dp/B0018\

7Y0AA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1281540405 & sr=1-3

Here is a cut and paste on how to mix HCG.

====================================================

BTW...the water you need to reconstitute HCG is bacteriostatic water.

Calculating HCG:

There isn't a specific ratio of cc/ml to IU. It depends on how you mix it. It's

quite simple. If you dillute 5,000 IUs HCG with 5ml (cc) solvent, the end result

is 1,000 IUs per ml (cc). Divide the same 5,000 IUs with 10 ml (cc) and the end

result is 500 IUs per ml (cc). Therefore, a large part depends on the

concentration of HCG per ampoule or vial.

Mixing HCG:

(Items needed: bacwater h20 and some 5ml emty vials-get****).

1) Open hcg/amp with powder

2) Use a syringe to pull out 1cc of BacWater and put in amp with HCG

3) It will instantly dissolve

4) Then Use an empty 5ml vial (sterile and sealed) put 4ml of Bacwater in the

vial

5) Take syringe and ad the mixed HCG solution to the 5ml vial

6) Shake it and you have 5000IU's of HCG

7) Than draw 1cc and inject

8) put the rest in the refrigerator

•The reason your discarding the amp of solvent cause its made for 1 times use

and you wouldn’t be able to refrigerate it and use it a week later again.

That’s why you need Bac H2o.

•The most common side affect associated with HCG is gynecomastia. The

concurrent intake of Nolvadex with HCG prevents gynecomastia, prevents/minimizes

leydig cell desensitization and contiues the stimulation of pituitary LH once

HCG has been discontinued.

•HCG will last approximately 30 days if mixed with Bac h2o instead of the

solvent it comes with.

•You can keep the mixed hcg in vial or pins In the fridge till use

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

>

>

> > From: aliveagain67 <aliveagain67@...>

>

> > Subject: Let's talk about shrunken

> balls, shall we?

>

> >

>

> > Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 1:30 AM

>

> > Hi Everyone-

>

> >

>

> > I'm 43, I've been on Androgel since November of '08.

>

> > With a lot of advice from this forum, I was able to

> get my

>

> > doctors to test appropriate hormone levels, do a

> pituitary

>

> > MRI, etc, before the decision was made to try TRT.

>

> >

>

> > Two drawbacks...for whatever reason, they would not do

> a

>

> > Chlomid test, to see if I was primary or secondary, so

> I

>

> > never found out, and secondly, no one in my area will

> even

>

> > discuss the use of HCG.

>

> >

>

> > So, it's just the gel, which has certainly helped me,

>

> > although I have no doubt I could be doing better than

> I

>

> > am...and now my balls have shrunken considerably.

>

> >

>

> > I'm in the midst of changing doctors, due to an

> insurance

>

> > change, so I'm going to take another shot at adding

> HCG to

>

> > my treatment.

>

> >

>

> > First off, will the introduction of HCG restore size

> to my

>

> > testes, and secondly...WHY, are so many MDs afraid of

> HCG?

>

> >

>

> > Thanks.

>

> >

>

> > -Todd

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ------------------------------------

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

If the vial of HCG does not need refrigration, then why do you have to mix with

the water; why can't you just inject a smaller amount directly from the vial so

no refrigeration required???

From: pmgamer18@...

Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:30:13 -0700

Subject: RE: Let's talk about shrunken balls, shall we?

Yes after you mix HCG it needs to be kept in the fridge and is for most

brands only good for 30 days after you mix it. I use a BD 28 to 31g x 1/2 " lg.

needle to do my HCG shots.

http://www.amazon.com/BD-Syringes-Self-Contained-Micro-Fine-Permanently/dp/B0018\

7Y0AA/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8 & s=hpc & qid=1281540405 & sr=1-3

Here is a cut and paste on how to mix HCG.

====================================================

BTW...the water you need to reconstitute HCG is bacteriostatic water.

Calculating HCG:

There isn't a specific ratio of cc/ml to IU. It depends on how you mix it. It's

quite simple. If you dillute 5,000 IUs HCG with 5ml (cc) solvent, the end result

is 1,000 IUs per ml (cc). Divide the same 5,000 IUs with 10 ml (cc) and the end

result is 500 IUs per ml (cc). Therefore, a large part depends on the

concentration of HCG per ampoule or vial.

Mixing HCG:

(Items needed: bacwater h20 and some 5ml emty vials-get****).

1) Open hcg/amp with powder

2) Use a syringe to pull out 1cc of BacWater and put in amp with HCG

3) It will instantly dissolve

4) Then Use an empty 5ml vial (sterile and sealed) put 4ml of Bacwater in the

vial

5) Take syringe and ad the mixed HCG solution to the 5ml vial

6) Shake it and you have 5000IU's of HCG

7) Than draw 1cc and inject

8) put the rest in the refrigerator

•The reason your discarding the amp of solvent cause its made for 1 times use

and you wouldn’t be able to refrigerate it and use it a week later again. That’s

why you need Bac H2o.

•The most common side affect associated with HCG is gynecomastia. The concurrent

intake of Nolvadex with HCG prevents gynecomastia, prevents/minimizes leydig

cell desensitization and contiues the stimulation of pituitary LH once HCG has

been discontinued.

•HCG will last approximately 30 days if mixed with Bac h2o instead of the

solvent it comes with.

•You can keep the mixed hcg in vial or pins In the fridge till use

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

>

>

> > From: aliveagain67 <aliveagain67@...>

>

> > Subject: Let's talk about shrunken

> balls, shall we?

>

> >

>

> > Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 1:30 AM

>

> > Hi Everyone-

>

> >

>

> > I'm 43, I've been on Androgel since November of '08.

>

> > With a lot of advice from this forum, I was able to

> get my

>

> > doctors to test appropriate hormone levels, do a

> pituitary

>

> > MRI, etc, before the decision was made to try TRT.

>

> >

>

> > Two drawbacks...for whatever reason, they would not do

> a

>

> > Chlomid test, to see if I was primary or secondary, so

> I

>

> > never found out, and secondly, no one in my area will

> even

>

> > discuss the use of HCG.

>

> >

>

> > So, it's just the gel, which has certainly helped me,

>

> > although I have no doubt I could be doing better than

> I

>

> > am...and now my balls have shrunken considerably.

>

> >

>

> > I'm in the midst of changing doctors, due to an

> insurance

>

> > change, so I'm going to take another shot at adding

> HCG to

>

> > my treatment.

>

> >

>

> > First off, will the introduction of HCG restore size

> to my

>

> > testes, and secondly...WHY, are so many MDs afraid of

> HCG?

>

> >

>

> > Thanks.

>

> >

>

> > -Todd

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ------------------------------------

>

> >

>

> >

[Guest guest]

Bob let us know if you can get HCG if not you can order it from the ADC with out

a Dr.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

>

>

> > From:  aliveagain67 <aliveagain67@...>

>

> > Subject:  Let's talk about

> shrunken balls, shall we?

>

> > To: 

>

> > Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010,  1:30 AM

>

> > Hi Everyone-

>

> >

>

> > I'm 43, I've been on  Androgel since November of

> '08.

>

> > With a lot of advice from this  forum, I was able

> to get my

>

> > doctors to test appropriate hormone  levels, do a

> pituitary

>

> > MRI, etc, before the decision was made to  try

> TRT.

>

> >

>

> > Two drawbacks...for whatever reason, they  would

> not do a

>

> > Chlomid test, to see if I was primary or

> secondary,  so I

>

> > never found out, and secondly, no one in my area

> will  even

>

> > discuss the use of HCG.

>

> >

>

> > So, it's  just the gel, which has certainly

> helped me,

>

> > although I have no  doubt I could be doing better

> than I

>

> > am...and now my balls have  shrunken

> considerably.

>

> >

>

> > I'm in the midst of changing  doctors, due to an

> insurance

>

> > change, so I'm going to take another  shot at

> adding HCG to

>

> > my treatment.

>

> >

>

> > First  off, will the introduction of HCG restore

> size to my

>

> > testes, and  secondly...WHY, are so many MDs

> afraid of HCG?

>

> >

>

> >  Thanks.

>

> >

>

> > -Todd

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > 

>

> > ------------------------------------

>

> >

>

> > 

[Guest guest]

I am not sure what kind your talking about there is a pre-mixed brand out there

that I would not try. But the Diet People on the HCG diet say is works and a few

men here are on it. Still once you use it to be safe put it in the Fridge. My

HCG is Novarel it comes in 2 vials one if a powder and the other is Bac. Water I

mix it and need to keep it in the fridge so it will last 30 days.

Co-Moderator

Phil

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > > From: aliveagain67 <aliveagain67@...>

>

> >

>

> > > Subject: Let's talk about

> shrunken

>

> > balls, shall we?

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 1:30 AM

>

> >

>

> > > Hi Everyone-

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > I'm 43, I've been on Androgel since November of

> '08.

>

> >

>

> > > With a lot of advice from this forum, I was able

> to

>

> > get my

>

> >

>

> > > doctors to test appropriate hormone levels, do a

>

> > pituitary

>

> >

>

> > > MRI, etc, before the decision was made to try

> TRT.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Two drawbacks...for whatever reason, they would

> not do

>

> > a

>

> >

>

> > > Chlomid test, to see if I was primary or

> secondary, so

>

> > I

>

> >

>

> > > never found out, and secondly, no one in my area

> will

>

> > even

>

> >

>

> > > discuss the use of HCG.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > So, it's just the gel, which has certainly helped

> me,

>

> >

>

> > > although I have no doubt I could be doing better

> than

>

> > I

>

> >

>

> > > am...and now my balls have shrunken

> considerably.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > I'm in the midst of changing doctors, due to an

>

> > insurance

>

> >

>

> > > change, so I'm going to take another shot at

> adding

>

> > HCG to

>

> >

>

> > > my treatment.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > First off, will the introduction of HCG restore

> size

>

> > to my

>

> >

>

> > > testes, and secondly...WHY, are so many MDs

> afraid of

>

> > HCG?

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > Thanks.

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > -Todd

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > > ------------------------------------

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> >

>

> > >

[Guest guest]

You know I wondered the same thing about the mixing part, if you are talking

about the premixed version of HcG. I mean if its already in liguid form and we

inject so little, why add anything to the premixed stuff?

I figured if you use a 3/10cc insulin syringe a 100iu injection would be 5 marks

(units) if you get the 2000iu bottle, and only 1 mark (unit) if the 10,000iu

bottle was purchased.

That way you are not " contaminating " the mixed version with something else. It

might retain its strengh throughout the time its used that way instead of

getting weaker towards the end of the timeframe.

I am probably going to get a couple of bottles of the premixed next time I order

(few months away yet) and just try it out to see if it works any better.

I would refridgerate it though, after its opened.

>

>

> If the vial of HCG does not need refrigration, then why do you have to mix

with the water; why can't you just inject a smaller amount directly from the

vial so no refrigeration required???

>

>

> From: pmgamer18@...

> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:30:13 -0700

> Subject: RE: Let's talk about shrunken balls, shall we?

[Guest guest]

Hear is a link to ADC mixing there HCG like I said I don't use there HCG so if

you need to know more about it call them.

https://www.alldaychemist.com/hcg/

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: master_trancer <master_trancer@...>

> Subject: Re: Let's talk about shrunken balls, shall we?

>

> Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2010, 11:29 PM

> You know I wondered the same thing

> about the mixing part, if you are talking about the premixed

> version of HcG. I mean if its already in liguid form and we

> inject so little, why add anything to the premixed stuff?

>

> I figured if you use a 3/10cc insulin syringe a 100iu

> injection would be 5 marks (units) if you get the 2000iu

> bottle, and only 1 mark (unit) if the 10,000iu bottle was

> purchased.

>

> That way you are not " contaminating " the mixed version with

> something else. It might retain its strengh throughout the

> time its used that way instead of getting weaker towards the

> end of the timeframe. 

>

> I am probably going to get a couple of bottles of the

> premixed next time I order (few months away yet) and just

> try it out to see if it works any better.

>

> I would refridgerate it though, after its opened.

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > If the vial of HCG does not need refrigration, then

> why do you have to mix with the water; why can't you just

> inject a smaller amount directly from the vial so no

> refrigeration required???

> >

> >

> > From: pmgamer18@...

> > Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:30:13 -0700

> > Subject: RE: Let's talk about shrunken

> balls, shall we?

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