Re: Affording DAN doctor bills

[Guest guest]

Don't have the luxury or money or any one near me, and think I'm doing pretty

good without one. Many here are.

Tammy

[ ] Affording DAN doctor bills

Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my daughter's

doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs. Everything is on hold

because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford everything ,my daughter would

have recovered by now.

Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Read through the links and files section of this group and the frequent dose

chelation group. Andy Cutler has made more than enough information available

free of charge on the internet so that people can chelate safely without a

doctor. the only things you would need to pay for are the supplements (which

can be minimized) and chelators (you can use ALA alone if you can't get DMSA or

DMPS)

J

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> Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my

daughter's doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs. Everything is

on hold because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford everything ,my daughter

would have recovered by now.

>  

> Thanks.

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[Guest guest]

First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful, necessary,

and helpful. Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests. If you're buying

supps from the doc consider whether you can get them for less elsewhere. Do the

visits need to be as often as they are? Many here chelate on their own without

a doc. What exactly is on hold? Can you do it without the doc?

S S

Affording DAN doctor bills

Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@... worogbe

Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my daughter's doctor's

visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs. Everything is on hold because of

overdue bills. I wish I could afford everything ,my daughter would have

recovered by now.

Thanks.

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Affording DAN doctor bills

Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@... worogbe

Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my daughter's

doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs. Everything is on hold

because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford everything ,my daughter would

have recovered by now.

===>What specifically would you like to be able to afford that would recover

your daughter?

Oral chelation is very inexpensive.

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There was a mom here several years ago that claimed to have spent over $1

Million and her child was still on the spectrum. Money will absolutely not

guarantee recovery. Hard work and proper protocol is the best option.

I do have a DAN! doctor but I see them annually. My annual doctor bills run

about $500/yr for the DAN!, $250 for the DDI tests, $100 bloodwork, and probably

$1000 for DMSA, ALA and other supplements since I waste quite a bit (trying

things). $2000 annual costs are affordable for many people but I know that is

still a lot of money.

Our first DAN! visit with a respected DAN! doctor back in 2004 cost me $1400!

Seeing them every 3 months and running all of their 'latest and greatest' tests?

No way. You don't need that. Looking back, I see so many tests that told us

absolutely nothing and some tests that showed us 'something' but were overlooked

by this respected DAN!. Again, no guarantees your money will be well spent.

Going on your own can seem overwhelming. There is a mom on these lists who was

absolutely insane when she first started... questions and questions and lots of

fear. She now runs support groups and speaks to parents about biomed and

Autism. At one point her child lost the Autism diagnosis, but I know he

remains quite medically fragile. Still, she did it; and they have next to

nothing (financially speaking).

Good luck.

Pam

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> First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful, necessary,

and helpful. Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests. If you're buying

supps from the doc consider whether you can get them for less elsewhere. Do the

visits need to be as often as they are? Many here chelate on their own without

a doc. What exactly is on hold? Can you do it without the doc?

> S S

>

> Affording DAN doctor bills

> Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@... worogbe

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

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> Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my daughter's

doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs. Everything is on hold

because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford everything ,my daughter would

have recovered by now.

>

> Thanks.

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Here are some ideas that I posted on another group.

1st-For the last year, figure out exactly what it is costing you

breaking it down by doctor visit costs, testing costs, supplement

costs etc, travel costs etc.

2nd-Figure out if you NEED to do all the things that you are

currently doing or if you CAN do them less often. For example,

testing can be very expensive and isn't always necessary. We've

totally eliminated testing for yeast and bacteria here because I

don't need a test to tell that my kid has a yeast/bacteria issue...I

CAN SEE IT!!! Also, if you are chelating, testing for what is being

excreted is great for information, BUT IS UNNECCESARY for

treatment..use video's, journals etc to show improvement. Do you

NEED to travel to see a DAN or will they do a teleconference instead,

eliminating travel costs??

3rd-Explore how to get more stuff covered by insurance. If you have

a PPO option for insurance, you can get some stuff covered. For

example, our DAN charges $150 for a 1/2 appt. Since she is out of

network, we get reimbursed @$28, but that is better than nothing.

Instead of using Out-of-network labs like Doctor's Data, Great

Plains, or Metametrix can you get some work done by In-Network

labs?? We use Quest for a lot of our bloodwork (especially

mainstream stuff like metabolic panels etc.)which greatly decreases

our out of pocket costs. If you don't have a PPO, can you get your

regular pediatrician to do or request some of the basic labs?? Maybe

get them and your DAN talking? If you are on any prescription meds,

can you go to the generic which is usually cheaper? We did this with

the Carnitor (l-carnitine) that our DAN prescribed and saved

$30/month by using the generic.

4th-Examine less expensive alternative for your supplements. We use

some expensive supplements here (Enzymes, Probiotics) but we also use

Trader Darwin's from Trader Joes Vitamin E and CoQ10. We use Twin

Labs Vit C etc. If you are buying supplements at health food stores,

don't!!! -The internet is much cheaper...I use Iherb.com for a lot of

things.

5th-Do you have a opportunity for a Flexible Spending Account

(Medical FSA) at work??? If so, you can deduct $$ from your pay

(PRETAX) to put into it and get reimbursed from it based on

receipts. Be careful because most supplements are not eligible, but

Doctor costs, testing costs, prescription meds are. This can save

you some $$ based on what your tax rate is..Basically a 10-38%

discount depending.

Hope that helps.

>

> Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my

daughter's doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs. Everything is

on hold because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford everything ,my daughter

would have recovered by now.

>  

> Thanks.

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I haven't seen any recovered kids who were recovered by a DAN. Yet anyway. I

don't feel that if you paid them more money you would have a recovered kid,

because they fail to do the simple things that make recovery. (ie removing

metals the safe way) but rather treat the symptoms of the metal toxicity.

I have never paid a DAN and we do AC chelation and biomedical without one. It's

far cheaper and leads to major improvements and recovery. In four years I have

found that no matter how much money people pay a DAN, the kids are not

recovering like they are from AC chelation, which costs very little.

Many of the DAN therapies you can do for just the cost of the supplements, like

the antifungals, probiotics, vitamins and minerals.

You can learn to do those things on this group and maybe only need to see the

DAN a few times a year for running any labs you feel you need. But often times

those labs can be gotten from any doctor. Or can ordered yourself or a holistic

doctor or D.O can follow you with those. And these doctors don't charge $600 a

visit.

Because honestly, even if you paid for every expensive therapy the DAN has to

offer....it's not going to replace proper low dose chelation to remove the

metals that caused the problems in the first place.

Jan

>

> Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my

daughter's doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs. Everything is

on hold because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford everything ,my daughter

would have recovered by now.

>  

> Thanks.

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[Guest guest]

If your child is on SSI,as I am,all of the tests,office calls,and anything you

can get with a prescription is covered by Medicaid.

>

> First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful, necessary,

and helpful. Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests. If you're buying

supps from the doc consider whether you can get them for less elsewhere. Do the

visits need to be as often as they are? Many here chelate on their own without

a doc. What exactly is on hold? Can you do it without the doc?

> S S

>

> Affording DAN doctor bills

> Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@... worogbe

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

>

>

>

> Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my daughter's

doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs. Everything is on hold

because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford everything ,my daughter would

have recovered by now.

>

> Thanks.

>

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What do you mean " latest and greatest tests " ?I have both COMT and MTFR

methylation defects.I think it's VERY important to know I have these

defects .The tests for these didn't exist until fairly recently.

What if you're like me,and diet doesn't clear up your GI disease? Then

you need a lot of tests to find out what's causing it.

What if you are prone to acute strep that triggers regression,like I

am,and you need a workup for PANDAS?

As for Chelation,$2000 for DMSA is insane.Is this for a month's supply?

This http://www.heavymetaldetox.net/ <http://www.heavymetaldetox.net/>

is what my DAN! suggested for me,because he thought I was too fragile

for DMSA.It costs about $40.00 a bottle,and works very well...almost too

well,given the BMs I make.

I guess a lot of it depeds on how sick your child is and how many

" comorbid " (I really hate that word.) problems they have.

> >

> > First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful,

necessary, and helpful. Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests.

If you're buying supps from the doc consider whether you can get them

for less elsewhere. Do the visits need to be as often as they are? Many

here chelate on their own without a doc. What exactly is on hold? Can

you do it without the doc?

> > S S

> >

> > Affording DAN doctor bills

> > Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@ worogbe

> > Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

> >

> >

> >

> > Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my

daughter's doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs.

Everything is on hold because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford

everything ,my daughter would have recovered by now.

> >

> > Thanks.

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[Guest guest]

It's not that way here. The only medications covered by Medicaid now are

generic, no stomach medicines, no cold or cough medicines. I have 2 kids  on

medicaid because of the program they are in. If it weren't for the Blue Cross we

couldn't afford them.

From: <thorenstd124@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Affording DAN doctor bills

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 1:07 PM

 

If your child is on SSI,as I am,all of the tests,office calls,and anything you

can get with a prescription is covered by Medicaid.

>

> First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful, necessary,

and helpful. Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests. If you're buying

supps from the doc consider whether you can get them for less elsewhere. Do the

visits need to be as often as they are? Many here chelate on their own without a

doc. What exactly is on hold? Can you do it without the doc?

> S S

>

> Affording DAN doctor bills

> Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@ ... worogbe

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

>

>

>

> Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my daughter's

doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs. Everything is on hold

because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford everything ,my daughter would

have recovered by now.

>

> Thanks.

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[Guest guest]

Wow! Where do you live? A few years back, I called a DAN physician. I talked to

his secretary and according to her it would be several thousand the first year

and they did not accept insurance or medicaid. It was impossible for us; just

about the same as paying for ABA out of our pockets when he was 8.

 

We have a good pediatrician, but there are none here that we know of who are

interested in anything having to do with Autism. They send you to a pediatric

neurologist who thinks the solution is neuroleptics or antidepressants.

 

I am so glad I found this board. My son was able to go to a family reunion this

week and not fall apart. Halleluah!

 

D.

From: <thorenstd124@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Affording DAN doctor bills

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 1:31 PM

 

What do you mean " latest and greatest tests " ?I have both COMT and MTFR

methylation defects.I think it's VERY important to know I have these

defects .The tests for these didn't exist until fairly recently.

What if you're like me,and diet doesn't clear up your GI disease? Then

you need a lot of tests to find out what's causing it.

What if you are prone to acute strep that triggers regression,like I

am,and you need a workup for PANDAS?

As for Chelation,$2000 for DMSA is insane.Is this for a month's supply?

This http://www.heavymet aldetox.net/ <http://www.heavymet aldetox.net/>

is what my DAN! suggested for me,because he thought I was too fragile

for DMSA.It costs about $40.00 a bottle,and works very well...almost too

well,given the BMs I make.

I guess a lot of it depeds on how sick your child is and how many

" comorbid " (I really hate that word.) problems they have.

> >

> > First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful,

necessary, and helpful. Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests.

If you're buying supps from the doc consider whether you can get them

for less elsewhere. Do the visits need to be as often as they are? Many

here chelate on their own without a doc. What exactly is on hold? Can

you do it without the doc?

> > S S

> >

> > Affording DAN doctor bills

> > Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@ worogbe

> > Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

> >

> >

> >

> > Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my

daughter's doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs.

Everything is on hold because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford

everything ,my daughter would have recovered by now.

> >

> > Thanks.

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[Guest guest]

My ped has had no problems signed and helped me order a few test from Great

Plains. Think it was the organic acid test. We've done it two years in a row

and have seen amazing changes in the report. My ped's been happy too. She been

thrilled with the progress she's seen in my boys. One 7 with severe food

allergies and pretty much outgrown asthma and one high functioning 10 year old

PPD-NOS guy.

Tammy

[ ] Re: Affording DAN doctor bills

I haven't seen any recovered kids who were recovered by a DAN. Yet anyway. I

don't feel that if you paid them more money you would have a recovered kid,

because they fail to do the simple things that make recovery. (ie removing

metals the safe way) but rather treat the symptoms of the metal toxicity.

I have never paid a DAN and we do AC chelation and biomedical without one.

It's far cheaper and leads to major improvements and recovery. In four years I

have found that no matter how much money people pay a DAN, the kids are not

recovering like they are from AC chelation, which costs very little.

Many of the DAN therapies you can do for just the cost of the supplements,

like the antifungals, probiotics, vitamins and minerals.

You can learn to do those things on this group and maybe only need to see the

DAN a few times a year for running any labs you feel you need. But often times

those labs can be gotten from any doctor. Or can ordered yourself or a holistic

doctor or D.O can follow you with those. And these doctors don't charge $600 a

visit.

Because honestly, even if you paid for every expensive therapy the DAN has to

offer....it's not going to replace proper low dose chelation to remove the

metals that caused the problems in the first place.

Jan

>

> Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my daughter's

doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs. Everything is on hold

because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford everything ,my daughter would

have recovered by now.

>

> Thanks.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Perhaps you could try Autism Action Plan - it is about $40/mo on the monthly

plan and you can download labs to take for lab work, etc. which could be covered

by insurance if you have it (we don't and 's issues all require 2 year

waiting periods).

http://www.autismactionplan.org/

That follows the DAN! protocol and you have access to a dr if you need it.

I would get another PCP. Doctors are in a service industry - you pay them for

the service they provide YOU and you are the one who is in charge of the

situation. The good ones are really good and should be treated well. The bad

ones are a dime a dozen, and you need to take your business elsewhere if you are

not satisfied.

We were blessed with a " why not, it's your money " kinda doc for a PCP and we saw

Megson, Aiello and a slew of others and could have our PCP order the tests

others wanted so that they were covered by our HMO. It was a lot of work, but

it was worth it.

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[Guest guest]

What is on hold is getting more supplements from the doc. We are also

considering chelating and that is expensive too.

From: Shepard Salzer <_Shepard@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Affording DAN doctor bills

autism treatment

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 3:26 PM

First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful, necessary,

and helpful.  Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests.  If you're buying

supps from the doc consider whether you can get them for less elsewhere.  Do the

visits need to be as often as they are?  Many here chelate on their own without

a doc.  What exactly is on hold?  Can you do it without the doc?

S S

Affording DAN doctor bills

Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@...   worogbe

Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my daughter's doctor's

visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs. Everything is on hold because of

overdue bills. I wish I could afford everything ,my daughter would have

recovered by now.

Thanks.

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Really, I did not know that Medicaid can cover some DAN stuff. Will find out

from them

 

Thanks.

From: <thorenstd124@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Affording DAN doctor bills

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 8:07 PM

If your child is on SSI,as I am,all of the tests,office calls,and anything you

can get with a prescription is covered by Medicaid.

                       

>

> First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful, necessary,

and helpful.  Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests.  If you're buying

supps from the doc consider whether you can get them for less elsewhere.  Do the

visits need to be as often as they are?  Many here chelate on their own without

a doc.  What exactly is on hold?  Can you do it without the doc?

> S S

>

> Affording DAN doctor bills

> Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@...   worogbe

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

>

>

>

> Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my daughter's

doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs. Everything is on hold

because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford everything ,my daughter would

have recovered by now.

> 

> Thanks.

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Thank you all for your input. Will defintely be using this board more often and

look into AC chelation instead.

What is on hold is getting more supplements from the doc. We are also

considering chelating and that is expensive too.

From: Shepard Salzer <_Shepard@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Affording DAN doctor bills

autism treatment

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 3:26 PM

First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful, necessary,

and helpful.  Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests.  If you're buying

supps from the doc consider whether you can get them for less elsewhere.  Do the

visits need to be as often as they are?  Many here chelate on their own without

a doc.  What exactly is on hold?  Can you do it without the doc?

S S

Affording DAN doctor bills

Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@...   worogbe

Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my daughter's doctor's

visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs. Everything is on hold because of

overdue bills. I wish I could afford everything ,my daughter would have

recovered by now.

Thanks.

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Hi,

Good for you!!My son has SSI and ,medicaid with that but they don't cover

anything.

I live in Georgia. Take a look at this organization sometime they have grants

for treatments.You have to applied.

http://www.talkaboutcuringautism.org/index.htm

http://www.act-today.org/index.html

http://www.nationalautismassociation.org/index.php

Take care,

A.Simon,  

" I know God promises not to give me more than I can handle.

 I just wish he didn't trust me so much. " -Mother

From: <thorenstd124@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Affording DAN doctor bills

Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 1:07 PM

 

If your child is on SSI,as I am,all of the tests,office calls,and anything you

can get with a prescription is covered by Medicaid.

>

> First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful, necessary,

and helpful. Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests. If you're buying

supps from the doc consider whether you can get them for less elsewhere. Do the

visits need to be as often as they are? Many here chelate on their own without a

doc. What exactly is on hold? Can you do it without the doc?

> S S

>

> Affording DAN doctor bills

> Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@ ... worogbe

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

>

>

>

> Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my daughter's

doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs. Everything is on hold

because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford everything ,my daughter would

have recovered by now.

>

> Thanks.

>

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[Guest guest]

If you reread my message, $2000 is an annual cost for all DAN! care/supplements

combined.

Latest and greatest tests are all the tests that the DAN! Think Tank come up

with on a regular basis as they try to figure out what is causing ASD. I came

in to DAN! when MTHFr was thought to be significant in Autism. Turns out not

so. There are so many more tests out there than what you mention, and many

people fall victim to the overtesting advocated by many DAN! doctors. While

chelating, many DAN!s ask you to have blood drawn every 3 months to monitor

liver values and mineral levels. That is unnecessary and costly. Take a look

at Yasko's protocol and you'll see a host of genetic testing that isn't playing

out as promising as once hoped... or those following Yasko certainly arent'

talking about all their recovery stories.

What I am saying is that you can do this without spending tons of money on tests

and many find that out only after wasting thousands of dollars. There is

probably no magic bullet out there for our kids. For years I hoped that one

test would find that one problem that we could easily address and treat for my

miracle recovery.

Of course you address your own issues in the way you are most comfortable. If I

had recurrent strep (which I don't) then I would dig in to it further. That

doesn't mean we all need to be tested for strep and that is where i think money

is being wasted.

Pam

> > >

> > > First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful,

> necessary, and helpful. Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests.

> If you're buying supps from the doc consider whether you can get them

> for less elsewhere. Do the visits need to be as often as they are? Many

> here chelate on their own without a doc. What exactly is on hold? Can

> you do it without the doc?

> > > S S

> > >

> > > Affording DAN doctor bills

> > > Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@ worogbe

> > > Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my

> daughter's doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs.

> Everything is on hold because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford

> everything ,my daughter would have recovered by now.

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------------------------------

> > > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition!

> > > Nutrition

> > >

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> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I agree with most of the views of Pam. We were forced to do a lot of unnecessary

testing and waste money and DAN was not accepting insurance. There are some

basic tests (not the fancy latest and greatest) that are helpful such as blood

work during Chelation and Organic Acid Test for specific nutritional

deficiencies annually ($300 together).

Moreover, the DAN doctors don't use the results of all the fancy tests to make

any treatment changes. We have given up on the DANs mainly for this reason. Now

we know what works for our child and we also know a proper Chelation is also a

must. We did TD-DMPS chelation with good results and then plateaued. Now, we are

doing DMSA/ALA with AC protocol on our own with no issues.

regards,

Ragha

> > > >

> > > > First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful,

> > necessary, and helpful. Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests.

> > If you're buying supps from the doc consider whether you can get them

> > for less elsewhere. Do the visits need to be as often as they are? Many

> > here chelate on their own without a doc. What exactly is on hold? Can

> > you do it without the doc?

> > > > S S

> > > >

> > > > Affording DAN doctor bills

> > > > Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@ worogbe

> > > > Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my

> > daughter's doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs.

> > Everything is on hold because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford

> > everything ,my daughter would have recovered by now.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks.

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------

> > > > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition!

> > > > Nutrition

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Straight Medicaid (Wisconsin's Forward Card) will pay for the needle stick but

sometimes not even the test itself (did not cover running titers for vaccines).

There are probably a few things Medicaid will pay for but nobody I want to use

that takes Medicaid. I've just stopped trying. Honestly, I don't want my son's

treatment tracked but I have the luxury of a good income.

I pay out of pocket for all MD visits and dental care, and get some help paying

for social skills classes/daily living skills classes with the Autism Waiver

program. He has to be recertified each year for the Waiver and I think this

will be his last year of coverage based on his improvements. For 3 years the

Waiver was paying $40,000/yr for intensive in-home therapy. How can a family

afford that? Even so, in addition, we were paying about 1/4 of that amount per

year ourselves.

I am amazed at how resourceful parents are with finding ways to pay for

biomedical treatments. My hat's off to everyone. I wish it was all affordable.

But, sometimes I think being cost prohibitive prevents me from trying things

that might be useless, foolish or even dangerous. Desperation can lead to poor

choices.

Pam

> >

> > First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful,

necessary, and helpful. Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests. If

you're buying supps from the doc consider whether you can get them for less

elsewhere. Do the visits need to be as often as they are? Many here chelate on

their own without a doc. What exactly is on hold? Can you do it without the

doc?

> > S S

> >

> > Affording DAN doctor bills

> > Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@ worogbe

> > Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

> >

> >

> >

> > Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my daughter's

doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs. Everything is on hold

because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford everything ,my daughter would

have recovered by now.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------

> > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition!

> > Nutrition

> >

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> >

> >

[Guest guest]

The cost of supplements at the doctor's office are very high and they sell at

MSRP only. I never buy the supplements at the doctors or health food stores. I

always buy those same supplements online. On the average I spend about $100 per

month.

These are the online stores I use(with free shipping):

iHerb . com

LuckyVitamin . com

VitaGlo . com

(You can compare prices using shopping or Google Shopping)

For Autism specific supplements:

SpectrumSupplements . com

KirkmanLabs . com

BrainchildNutritionals . com

HTH,

Ragha

>

>

> What is on hold is getting more supplements from the doc. We are also

considering chelating and that is expensive too.

>

> From: Shepard Salzer <_Shepard@...>

> Subject: [ ] Re: Affording DAN doctor bills

> autism treatment

> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 3:26 PM

>

>

> First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful, necessary,

and helpful.  Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests.  If you're buying

supps from the doc consider whether you can get them for less elsewhere.  Do the

visits need to be as often as they are?  Many here chelate on their own without

a doc.  What exactly is on hold?  Can you do it without the doc?

> S S

>

> Affording DAN doctor bills

> Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@...   worogbe

> Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

>

>

>

> Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my daughter's

doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs. Everything is on hold

because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford everything ,my daughter would

have recovered by now.

>

> Thanks.

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------

> Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition!

> Nutrition

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

I accepted SSI payments for my son many years ago, but ended up having to pay

most of it back. You have to have a very low income to qualify for SSI, and if

your income fluctuates monthly, so will your benefits, if you even qualify.

I am a cautionary tale about panicing and using your credit card. Don't do it.

Research all the good , read info from reliable resources, take your

childs symptoms into account, and only invest in what applies to your child. If

it feels wrong, trust your gut.

Be patient and try to not go backwards. As long as you are moving forwards,

even if it is slowly, skills will build on skills. The only labs I ever found

to be helpful were for yeast, bacteria, and viral titers. Even the food allergy

tests didn't yield improvements when I removed the offending foods. Enzymes

worked, diet didn't. Unfortunately, there was some trial and error getting the

right supplements.

> > >

> > > First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful,

necessary, and helpful. Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests. If

you're buying supps from the doc consider whether you can get them for less

elsewhere. Do the visits need to be as often as they are? Many here chelate on

their own without a doc. What exactly is on hold? Can you do it without the

doc?

> > > S S

> > >

> > > Affording DAN doctor bills

> > > Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@ worogbe

> > > Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my daughter's

doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs. Everything is on hold

because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford everything ,my daughter would

have recovered by now.

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------------------------------

> > > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition!

> > > Nutrition

> > >

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> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

My son's Dan charges $1,875 for an initial 3 visits. The first visit is a

history appt, then evaluation of the child and third is parent only plan of

action. All are consecutive three day visits. She is very thorough but charges

ridiculous fees. Her follow-up appt one month later was $600. Insurance only

deemed $800 being reasonable & necessary for reimbursement from the initial

visit. Yes you do have to pay upfront first & get reimbursed through insurance.

I think she charges so much because she is the only M.D. who practices in

Atlanta.

Valencia

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 29, 2009, at 6:03 PM, " Pamela H " <phaselow@...> wrote:

If you reread my message, $2000 is an annual cost for all DAN! care/supplements

combined.

Latest and greatest tests are all the tests that the DAN! Think Tank come up

with on a regular basis as they try to figure out what is causing ASD. I came in

to DAN! when MTHFr was thought to be significant in Autism. Turns out not so.

There are so many more tests out there than what you mention, and many people

fall victim to the overtesting advocated by many DAN! doctors. While chelating,

many DAN!s ask you to have blood drawn every 3 months to monitor liver values

and mineral levels. That is unnecessary and costly. Take a look at Yasko's

protocol and you'll see a host of genetic testing that isn't playing out as

promising as once hoped... or those following Yasko certainly arent' talking

about all their recovery stories.

What I am saying is that you can do this without spending tons of money on tests

and many find that out only after wasting thousands of dollars. There is

probably no magic bullet out there for our kids. For years I hoped that one test

would find that one problem that we could easily address and treat for my

miracle recovery.

Of course you address your own issues in the way you are most comfortable. If I

had recurrent strep (which I don't) then I would dig in to it further. That

doesn't mean we all need to be tested for strep and that is where i think money

is being wasted.

Pam

> > >

> > > First consider whether the things this DAN doc is doing are useful,

> necessary, and helpful. Many run lots of unnecessary, unhelpful tests.

> If you're buying supps from the doc consider whether you can get them

> for less elsewhere. Do the visits need to be as often as they are? Many

> here chelate on their own without a doc. What exactly is on hold? Can

> you do it without the doc?

> > > S S

> > >

> > > Affording DAN doctor bills

> > > Posted by: " florence george " ethelgeorge@ worogbe

> > > Mon Dec 28, 2009 7:21 pm (PST)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Does anyone have any ideas on how else I can pay for all my

> daughter's doctor's visits. Waht else can I do to cover her costs.

> Everything is on hold because of overdue bills. I wish I could afford

> everything ,my daughter would have recovered by now.

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > > Improve your career health. Click now to study nutrition!

> > > Nutrition

> > >

> http://tagline.excite.com/c?cp=SmM-WMVcMuMjCYIICtxLFgAAKZRr_2tbQBaG-3loG\

> UsiTeHAAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASQwAAAAA=

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03/01/2010 19:15:51 GMT Standard Time,

ethelgeorge@... writes:

Something called calmPRT.I haven't seen it anywhere. It costs $116 a

bottle.

>>Cripes - I'd expect goldust for that price! - can you tell us what in

it and we may know alternative

Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

_http://www.forresthealth.com/store/Neurotransmitter-Support.html_

(http://www.forresthealth.com/store/Neurotransmitter-Support.html)

they have it here, on sale for $89 right now

Kerrie

In a message dated 1/3/2010 2:12:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

ethelgeorge@... writes:

Something called calmPRT.I haven't seen it anywhere. It costs $116 a

bottle.