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Probably lack of being able to absorb necessary minerals for teeth. This is

a very long thread, but the first post pretty much tells you what you can do

to prevent further problems. Activator X (or x factor) mentioned is vitamin

K2. It's not the same as K1.

http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=399989

My son has lots of cavities, and I really think this is related to his hair

test showing all-low essential minerals. He's now taking Catalyn and

Bio-Dent by Standard Process, as well as K2, D3, and a multi-mineral

supplement (plus extra cal and mag). Magnesium is very important, not just

calcium. Some of the chalky white areas are going away. The chalky white is

an indication that the teeth are demineralizing. I'm not sure if his

cavities are going away yet.

I do use topical fluoride though. It seems like when I switched him to

bottled water to avoid fluoride is when all the problems started.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:25 PM, lucy4gets <lucy2max@...> wrote:

> my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he was

> 1.5-2.5yrs old. I am still wondering what the cause would be.

>

> suspicions:

>

> loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from doctor

> (yes, before I knew about fluoride..)

>

> anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

>

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Does he drink sugary drinks before bed?

In a message dated 3/11/2009 10:58:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

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Probably lack of being able to absorb necessary minerals for teeth. This is

a very long thread, but the first post pretty much tells you what you can do

to prevent further problems. Activator X (or x factor) mentioned is vitamin

K2. It's not the same as K1.

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(http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=399989)

My son has lots of cavities, and I really think this is related to his hair

test showing all-low essential minerals. He's now taking Catalyn and

Bio-Dent by Standard Process, as well as K2, D3, and a multi-mineral

supplement (plus extra cal and mag). Magnesium is very important, not just

calcium. Some of the chalky white areas are going away. The chalky white is

an indication that the teeth are demineralizing. I'm not sure if his

cavities are going away yet.

I do use topical fluoride though. It seems like when I switched him to

bottled water to avoid fluoride is when all the problems started.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 10:25 PM, lucy4gets <_lucy2max@..._

(mailto:lucy2max@...) > wrote:

> my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he was

> 1.5-2.5yrs old. I am still wondering what the cause would be.

>

> suspicions:

>

> loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from doctor

> (yes, before I knew about fluoride..)

>

> anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

>

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Yes, none comes through breast milk so fluoride drops are recommended. I

have known many toddlers on spectrum with rotted teeth.

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my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he was

1.5-2.5yrs old. I am still wondering what the cause would be.

suspicions:

loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from doctor

(yes, before I knew about fluoride..)

anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

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I wonder if all new mom's should have their breast milk tested? I know

breast milk is superior to cow's milk . However, there may be many mom's who

are

not nutritionally healthy themselves whose breast milk does not contain all

that is needed for the fast growing infant brain..

I will have to do some reading on this theory too.

In a message dated 3/12/2009 6:59:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

gieshouse50@... writes:

Yes, none comes through breast milk so fluoride drops are recommended. I

have known many toddlers on spectrum with rotted teeth.

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my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he was

1.5-2.5yrs old. I am still wondering what the cause would be.

suspicions:

loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from doctor

(yes, before I knew about fluoride..)

anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

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Hi,

My daughter had to undergo surgery when she was around 4 or 5 to remove her back

teeth because of severe decay due to the bottle and sugary juice.  Her front

teeth were so perfect and aligned that I didn't realize what was going on in the

back of her mouth.  I would definitely get this looked at by a dentist.  In my

situation, I listened to everyone who told me " Oh, just let those teeth fall out

on their own " and my daughter's teeth actually got worse.

Due to mineral deficiency, my daughter's new set of teeth are streaky and

crooked.  Our current supplement routine helps keep my daughter's teeth healthy

and we do cleaning about every 4 to 5 months.  The streaks are going away.  I

figure I will do braces after chelation (mainly recovery).

Good luck,

S.

From: lucy4gets <lucy2max@...>

Subject: [ ] does anyone know the cause of tooth rot in toddler?

Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 10:25 PM

my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he

was 1.5-2.5yrs old. I am still wondering what the cause would be.

suspicions:

loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from doctor (yes,

before I knew about fluoride..)

anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

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I really don't believe the breast milk is the problem. Chilren with ASD have

huge gut and absorption issues they are not getting the nutrients into their

bodies and therefor it doesn't matter how nutrient dense the food going in is.

The gut needs to be healed first. Many mothers on the GAPShelp group

report their children gaining weight and reversing their tooth decay once the

gut issues are addressed and THEN the right nutrients are introduced. Cod Liver

Oil is a big one.

http://www.westonaprice.org/envtoxins/fluoridationfraud.html

http://gapsdiet.com/Home_Page.html

just a thought,

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> I wonder if all new mom's should have their breast milk tested? I know

> breast milk is superior to cow's milk . However, there may be many mom's who

are

> not nutritionally healthy themselves whose breast milk does not contain all

> that is needed for the fast growing infant brain..

>

> I will have to do some reading on this theory too.

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Regardless of her own diet, a mother's breastmilk is usually adequately

nutritious for her baby. Even severely malbourished mothers will make milk that

contains the right nutrients for her infant. The body will ensure that the baby

is properly nourished even when the mother is not. It's also important if you're

considering NOT breastfeeding an infant, to think about what you will give

instead. Cow milk formula is equally contaminated, as well as not being

nutritionally appropriate for human babies. Soy is also not biologically right

for human babies. The elemental formulas are based on corn syrup or rice, and

aren't a great option unless a baby is very sick. Everything that's an

alternative to mother's milk is far inferior to it, even if the mother's milk is

contaminated.

Suzanne

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>

> I wonder if all new mom's should have their breast milk tested? I know

> breast milk is superior to cow's milk . However, there may be many mom's who

are

> not nutritionally healthy themselves whose breast milk does not contain all

> that is needed for the fast growing infant brain..

>

> I will have to do some reading on this theory too.

>

>

> In a message dated 3/12/2009 6:59:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> gieshouse50@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> Yes, none comes through breast milk so fluoride drops are recommended. I

> have known many toddlers on spectrum with rotted teeth.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 3/11/2009 10:25:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> _lucy2max@..._ (mailto:lucy2max@...) writes:

>

> my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he was

> 1.5-2.5yrs old. I am still wondering what the cause would be.

>

> suspicions:

>

> loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from doctor

> (yes, before I knew about fluoride..)

>

> anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

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> Probably lack of being able to absorb necessary minerals for teeth.

To properly absorb calcium, my son needed magnesium, vitamin D, vitamin K, and

lysine.

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Eating the wrong diet will do that and more..

Eating meats and dairy will definitely cause all of that..

I recommend switching to a Vegan...or better yet..raw vegan diet..

R

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> my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he was

1.5-2.5yrs old. I am still wondering what the cause would be.

>

> suspicions:

>

> loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from doctor

(yes, before I knew about fluoride..)

>

> anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

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My sons teeth did the exact same thing at the same age.  It was explained to me

that this was because he was on 2 very powerful antibiotics, along with 2 blood

pressure meds just after birth because of a raging infection (probably caused by

my Rhogam shot while he was en-utero).  For this we spent 3 weeks at

the Children's Mercy Hospital in KC, MO.  I was told by my dentist that broken

teeth are quite normal in that instance.  The dentist said it was the

antibiotics that did it.

Jo

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Subject: [ ] Re: does anyone know the cause of tooth rot in

toddler?

Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 12:20 PM

Eating the wrong diet will do that and more..

Eating meats and dairy will definitely cause all of that..

I recommend switching to a Vegan...or better yet..raw vegan diet..

R

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> my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he was

1.5-2.5yrs old. I am still wondering what the cause would be.

>

> suspicions:

>

> loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from doctor (yes,

before I knew about fluoride..)

>

> anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

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Debbie- I have read/seen Dr. Green out of Oregon talk a lot about a mom's milk

and the toxins in it. I think studies show it is still better to breast feed for

as long as possible- even if the mom is on mediocre diet and is toxic.

There are still many benefits to doing it. I almost did a test on myself- I

think DDI has a test for about $100. I didn't though, but it would be

interesting to see results, no doubt. Tons of pcbs and pesticides come through.

I think this area should be studied even MORE because my kid didn't has any

assault but my toxins and a wee bit from the environment (no vaxes or any true

insults-yet he is not doing so great). I also know a mom we

ho I always assumed was very mercury toxic and has a child on the spectrum and

she breastfeed for a long time. She also has amalgams in.

so this is an interesting subject to be explored. I always wonder about those

" breast milk banks " - they filter the milk- but what actually ends up in it in

the end? are toxins removed? I can't see them doing that because of expense-

maybe they just filter it for bacteria and pasterize or something? Toxins still

probably in their as well!

Iveta

>

> I wonder if all new mom's should have their breast milk tested? I know

> breast milk is superior to cow's milk . However, there may be many mom's who

are

> not nutritionally healthy themselves whose breast milk does not contain all

> that is needed for the fast growing infant brain..

>

> I will have to do some reading on this theory too.

>

>

> In a message dated 3/12/2009 6:59:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> gieshouse50@... writes:

>

>

>

>

> Yes, none comes through breast milk so fluoride drops are recommended. I

> have known many toddlers on spectrum with rotted teeth.

>

>

>

>

> In a message dated 3/11/2009 10:25:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> _lucy2max@..._ (mailto:lucy2max@...) writes:

>

> my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he was

> 1.5-2.5yrs old. I am still wondering what the cause would be.

>

> suspicions:

>

> loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from doctor

> (yes, before I knew about fluoride..)

>

> anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

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What do calcium and boron look like on his hair elements test? Is he on vitamin

K2 and D? Consider have the NAET treatment for strep viridans (which includes

strep mutans) done.

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does anyone know the cause of tooth rot in toddler?

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my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he was

1.5-2.5yrs old. I am still wondering what the cause would be.

suspicions:

loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from doctor (yes,

before I knew about fluoride..)

anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

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fluoride and decalcification cause this. Most children do not get enough vitamin

K, D and calcium to build and maintain teeth. Infant teeth are formed in utero.

If a mom were sick or deficient herself in any of those things...the infant

would not make good tooth enamel. Add to that the fluoride in infancy....and you

have a recipe for bad teeth.

The rhogam is another issue entirely..that may or may not have had mercury,

depending on which one you had and when you had it. Not a direct cause of the

tooth problem, but I am sure toxins factor into poor dietary absorption in

children, thus leading to weak enamel. Most water in this country is flouridated

to a level that is toxic to infants. The current recommendations are not to use

tap water to mix formula.

Dr. Weston Price did some phenomenal work on tooth decay and enamel and his

determination was that the diet of the mother and infant contribute to poor

dental enamel and subsequent tooth decay. Tooth decay is the break down of

bone....this is osteoporosis, though dentists deny it. He found that his was

generational and got worse in each passing generation. If the grand mother was

deficient in nutrients in pregnancy, then the child was. The child grows up with

" so so " teeth and her children are more deficient that she was, so their teeth

are worse...and on it keeps going. He said the results of a poor nutrient diet

can be seen in subsequent generations. And that if a mother corrects her

nutrition during pregnancy and continues this with that infant...the infants

children will begin to have better teeth.

But fluoride makes weak brittle enamel and replaces calcium in teeth...

>

> my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he was

1.5-2.5yrs old. I am still wondering what the cause would be.

>

> suspicions:

>

> loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from doctor

(yes, before I knew about fluoride..)

>

> anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

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Eating meats and dairy from pastured animals provides many many essentials

fat-soluble vitamins and minerals that are vital to good oral health. You might

want to read the work by Dr. Weston A Price here:

www.westonaprice.org

the GAPS diet also recommends meat and cultured dairy.

www.gapsdiet.org Dr. Natasha -McBride recovered her son from severe

autism and developed this diet based on her experience.

Raw food is important for nutrients and enzymes however meat and meat products

are important also.

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> > my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he was

1.5-2.5yrs old. I am still wondering what the cause would be.

> >

> > suspicions:

> >

> > loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from doctor

(yes, before I knew about fluoride..)

> >

> > anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

> >

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We did follow Weston Prices recommendation for dietary changes...which include

these healthier animal products..and my son who I was told would need a filling,

no longer needed it 6 months later. My daughters teeth got a brighter despite

her fluoride damage, and she also stopped needing fillings...

I know, not ever chooses to consume..I respect that.

> > >

> > > my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he was

1.5-2.5yrs old. I am still wondering what the cause would be.

> > >

> > > suspicions:

> > >

> > > loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from doctor

(yes, before I knew about fluoride..)

> > >

> > > anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

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my daughters teeth are doing this, she is 15months her big front teeth are

pitted and brown and one has a massive chipped off bit, my dentist says its

genetic as her father had bad teeth, I dont eat alot of meat so that would

support the last comments theory that shes not getting enough essentail

minerals, we get artesian water we have no flouride in the diet so its not that

doing it to us.

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Subject: [ ] Re: does anyone know the cause of tooth rot in

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We did follow Weston Prices recommendation for dietary changes...which include

these healthier animal products..and my son who I was told would need a filling,

no longer needed it 6 months later. My daughters teeth got a brighter despite

her fluoride damage, and she also stopped needing fillings...

I know, not ever chooses to consume..I respect that.

> > >

> > > my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he was

1.5-2.5yrs old. I am still wondering what the cause would be.

> > >

> > > suspicions:

> > >

> > > loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from doctor

(yes, before I knew about fluoride..)

> > >

> > > anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

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There's definitely a genetic component. My father has good teeth, my mother

horrible teeth. My sister and I have bad teeth, but my brother's is fine. We

all ate the same thing growing up. Actually, my brother was the most sick

one and hardly ate anything. My mom probably had nutrient deficiencies with

all 3 of us.

My husband and his sister's teeth are fine. They were told they have

alkaline saliva. My husband barely brushes his teeth and never flosses, yet

hygienists and dentists tell him they wish everyone's teeth and gums were

like his.

So keeping saliva alkaline is also important (or I read pH of 5.5 or below

corrodes enamel). Saliva turns acidic after eating, and it can last for an

hour depending on what you ate. If we can't brush our teeth after eating, we

use xylitol mints and gums.

If baby teeth are tight together, they need to be flossed daily like adult

teeth. Healthier baby teeth have gaps in between, and these don't need to be

flossed as the toothbrush gets in between them.

With genetic things aside, I am seeing an improvement in my son's teeth. We

do a " 21st century " Weston Price protocol. We use supplements instead of a

lot of things because my son is too picky to drink bone broth daily. We do

drink raw milk from grassfed cows, use raw butter when we can, eat

free-range chickens and eggs, take K2 instead of butter oil, CLO, D, C,etc.

We don't eat organ meats, especially liver - if I think about what a liver

does, I don't want to be eating those toxins.

BTW, a guy who created Standard Process (maker of Bio-Dent) was friends with

Weston Price. It's a supplement for building strong bones and teeth. He also

takes Catalyn and a multi-mineral supplement.

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> my daughters teeth are doing this, she is 15months her big front teeth are

> pitted and brown and one has a massive chipped off bit, my dentist says its

> genetic as her father had bad teeth, I dont eat alot of meat so that would

> support the last comments theory that shes not getting enough essentail

> minerals, we get artesian water we have no flouride in the diet so its not

> that doing it to us.

>

>

>

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> Subject: [ ] Re: does anyone know the cause of tooth rot in

> toddler?

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>

> We did follow Weston Prices recommendation for dietary changes...which

> include these healthier animal products..and my son who I was told would

> need a filling, no longer needed it 6 months later. My daughters teeth got a

> brighter despite her fluoride damage, and she also stopped needing

> fillings...

>

> I know, not ever chooses to consume..I respect that.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he

> was 1.5-2.5yrs old. I am still wondering what the cause would be.

> > > >

> > > > suspicions:

> > > >

> > > > loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from

> doctor (yes, before I knew about fluoride..)

> > > >

> > > > anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

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Because of my daughters teeth problems I did a bit more reasurch and found out

that u need vitiman D to absorb calcium, and that there is not enough of it in

human breast milk, alone, my daught looks like she has rickets in her legs cant

walk, and that is a D defiencey so best thing is to get some sunlight

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> > > > > my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he

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> > > > > loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from

> > doctor (yes, before I knew about fluoride..)

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> > > > > anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

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I remember someone saying this of her daughter, and linked it to a gluten

intolerance. I think her story is online. Once she took away gluten, her teeth

started to return to their normal health.

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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 9:04:14 PM

Subject: [ ] Re: does anyone know the cause of tooth rot in

toddler?

Because of my daughters teeth problems I did a bit more reasurch and found out

that u need vitiman D to absorb calcium, and that there is not enough of it in

human breast milk, alone, my daught looks like she has rickets in her legs cant

walk, and that is a D defiencey so best thing is to get some sunlight

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For my son it was a very high bacterial count in his saliva. Pear juice at night

didn't help either. Once we changed both of these things the surface cavities

stopped.

HTH,

Jen

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> my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he was

1.5-2.5yrs old. I am still wondering what the cause would be.

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> loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from doctor

(yes, before I knew about fluoride..)

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> anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

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This may have occurred because the gluten intolerance was contributing to

malabsorption, and depriving the body of the things it needs to build bone.

Calcium,D and K.

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Based on my kids, lots of hindsite, and info slamming, I tend to suspect

fluoride & lead as the main underlying causes. Lead being the bigger one, with

fluoride " adding insult to injury " for them. elizabeth

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> my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he was

1.5-2.5yrs old. I am still wondering what the cause would be.

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> suspicions:

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> loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from doctor

(yes, before I knew about fluoride..)

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> anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

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yes- I agree. chelating,being fluoride free,giving plenty of vits (esp D)

hopefully, will be a GOOD thing for my younger one! don't want to have to go

through all that tooth reconstruction again as we did with our other one!!

Iveta

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> > my little guy had all his baby teeth rotted and broken away when he was

1.5-2.5yrs old. I am still wondering what the cause would be.

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> > suspicions:

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> > loads of fluoride in his bottled water and extra in his vits from doctor

(yes, before I knew about fluoride..)

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> > anything to do with 18th week Rhogam shot while pregnant?

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