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>From: anumandm <anumandm@...>

>Date: 2008/08/28 Thu AM 07:05:06 EDT

>

>Subject: [ ] Dana/Anita/viral experts -in the midst of viral

protocol- please advice

>

>Hi - We are into 6 months of viral protocol for our almost 9 yr old

>(he is close to 2 yrs of chelation Andy's protocol using DMSA/ALA).

>We started viral in March when he was almost done with round 70 of

>chelation.

>

>We initially started with just Virastop and Candidase, later added

>OLE, and then finally Lauricidin. After 6 months into the protocol,

>we are at 14 VS,2 OLE(1000 mg),6 Candidase, 25 pellets Lauricidin, 25

>drops of GSE per dose, and giving this 3 times per day. I took

>Andy's/Dana's advice of combining all of these anti-virals and it

>seems to be working for my son.

>

>we have seen some remarkable improvements in my son, especially so in

>the summer; some of the gains he is still retaining, some of them

>masked by massive yeast. He had always been very very skinny weighing

>only 35 lbs at 5.5 yrs old. After having severe gastroentritis at 15

>months of age immediately following MMR, he never gained his weight

>back. This summer 2 months after starting viral protocol,he gained

>17#, which is just amazing. For the first time in his life he needs

>the appropriate age level sizes. The fat absorption seems to have

>greatly improved after viral(although earlier introduction of eggs

>did not cause this kind of weight gain).The constant stimming which

>started with chelation has gone down drastically. Attention has never

>been better(it keeps waning when the yeast is out of control which is

>happening more often than I wish).

>

>For the first time he seems to be playing with his younger brother(3

>yrs old), imitating whatever the youngest one does. Imitation play

>was never there in his text book.Battling yeast is still a major

>major issue, and despite having a powerful yeast arsenal,even that

>doesn't seem to be working sometimes.

>

>During the first few weeks, we have seen some improvements in his

>eating, its somewhat gone now(I suspect yeast). He was somewhat

>verbal with chelation, but lately I see that on and off,

>and again I think yeast is the culprit. And oh yes, his ability to

>think has also improved tremendously. Homework is still an issue most

>of the times, but once he concentrates, its like a breeze.

>

>Another big thing that really made our lives easier is that he is co-

>operating fully for hair cuts, which never happened before. It always

>had been a struggle.

>

>Until last week I was giving only 2 candidase for every dose;only

>when we ran out of it, after 2 days his yeast was so massive and he

>seemed to have lost all the gains he made(very frustrating!). for the

>last couple of days, I started giving him 6 candidase per dose of

>virals(i.e.14 VS,1000 mg OLE,25 Lauricidin,25 drops of GSE).Am I

>giving too much candidase? since y'day he is having

>diarrhea, just like the time he had gastroentritis. His bottom is all

>red. I saw blood in his stool this morning, and I'm not sure what's

>going on. I checked him and didn't see any external heamorroids.I

>will monitor tomorrow,but just wanted to make sure I'm not doing

>something wrong!

>

>I was hoping to go up to 15 VS per dose, hold it for 3 weeks(like

> suggested), and then start reducing. Is this how you did with

>VS?

>

>how about Lauricidin? How high should we go with this one? It

>definetely causes lot of yeast more so than VS and OLE.

>

>Also, am I giving too much GSE? It seems like he needs that much

>every dose of anti-virals. If I try skipping once, the yeast comes

>back with a vengeance.

>

>Thank you in advance!

>

>Madhuri

>

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> We initially started with just Virastop and Candidase, later added

> OLE, and then finally Lauricidin. After 6 months into the protocol,

> we are at 14 VS,2 OLE(1000 mg),6 Candidase, 25 pellets Lauricidin, 25

> drops of GSE per dose, and giving this 3 times per day. I took

> Andy's/Dana's advice of combining all of these anti-virals and it

> seems to be working for my son.

> we have seen some remarkable improvements in my son, especially so in

> the summer; some of the gains he is still retaining, some of them

> masked by massive yeast.

At my house, Lauricidin caused so much yeast I had to use OLE and

Virastop instead.

> For the first time he seems to be playing with his younger brother(3

> yrs old), imitating whatever the youngest one does. Imitation play

> was never there in his text book.Battling yeast is still a major

> major issue, and despite having a powerful yeast arsenal,even that

> doesn't seem to be working sometimes.

I used biotin and GSE. During the height of viral die off, I had to

give a LOT of biotin and GSE with each dose of anti-viral.

> last couple of days, I started giving him 6 candidase per dose of

> virals(i.e.14 VS,1000 mg OLE,25 Lauricidin,25 drops of GSE).Am I

> giving too much candidase?

It would not have been sufficient at my house.

since y'day he is having

> diarrhea, just like the time he had gastroentritis. His bottom is all

> red. I saw blood in his stool this morning, and I'm not sure what's

> going on.

First, consider yeast overgrowth, which can cause those symptoms.

Second, it can be intolerance to something. But if nothing is new,

then probably not intolerance.

> I was hoping to go up to 15 VS per dose, hold it for 3 weeks(like

> suggested), and then start reducing. Is this how you did with

> VS?

The most I gave was 5 capsules 3x per day. He needed VS for a year.

> how about Lauricidin? How high should we go with this one? It

> definetely causes lot of yeast more so than VS and OLE.

Yep, way too much here. I had to drop it after about 2 months,

because I simply could not control the yeast.

> Also, am I giving too much GSE? It seems like he needs that much

> every dose of anti-virals. If I try skipping once, the yeast comes

> back with a vengeance.

The most I gave was 4 tablets with every dose, along with 20mg biotin.

Each GSE tablet says it is equivalent to 12-15 drops GSE.

Dana

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From what I can tell in the book suggested 15-20 capsules per day total. 

So, that would be 5 - 7 VS three times per day total.  He may be having diarrhea

due to too much virastop.

 

From another Dana who is currently taking her twin boys through virastop, OLE

right now.  At our height we did 8 three times per day for total of 24 for the

whole day and have since backed down to five three times per day.

Dana

and Garrett, just turned 4, SCD 2 years

Celiac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia, sensory processing disorder

From: danasview <danasview@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Dana/Anita/viral experts -in the midst of viral

protocol- please advice

Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 9:29 AM

> We initially started with just Virastop and Candidase, later added

> OLE, and then finally Lauricidin. After 6 months into the protocol,

> we are at 14 VS,2 OLE(1000 mg),6 Candidase, 25 pellets Lauricidin, 25

> drops of GSE per dose, and giving this 3 times per day. I took

> Andy's/Dana' s advice of combining all of these anti-virals and it

> seems to be working for my son.

> we have seen some remarkable improvements in my son, especially so in

> the summer; some of the gains he is still retaining, some of them

> masked by massive yeast.

At my house, Lauricidin caused so much yeast I had to use OLE and

Virastop instead.

> For the first time he seems to be playing with his younger brother(3

> yrs old), imitating whatever the youngest one does. Imitation play

> was never there in his text book.Battling yeast is still a major

> major issue, and despite having a powerful yeast arsenal,even that

> doesn't seem to be working sometimes.

I used biotin and GSE. During the height of viral die off, I had to

give a LOT of biotin and GSE with each dose of anti-viral.

> last couple of days, I started giving him 6 candidase per dose of

> virals(i.e.14 VS,1000 mg OLE,25 Lauricidin,25 drops of GSE).Am I

> giving too much candidase?

It would not have been sufficient at my house.

since y'day he is having

> diarrhea, just like the time he had gastroentritis. His bottom is all

> red. I saw blood in his stool this morning, and I'm not sure what's

> going on.

First, consider yeast overgrowth, which can cause those symptoms.

Second, it can be intolerance to something. But if nothing is new,

then probably not intolerance.

> I was hoping to go up to 15 VS per dose, hold it for 3 weeks(like

> suggested), and then start reducing. Is this how you did with

> VS?

The most I gave was 5 capsules 3x per day. He needed VS for a year.

> how about Lauricidin? How high should we go with this one? It

> definetely causes lot of yeast more so than VS and OLE.

Yep, way too much here. I had to drop it after about 2 months,

because I simply could not control the yeast.

> Also, am I giving too much GSE? It seems like he needs that much

> every dose of anti-virals. If I try skipping once, the yeast comes

> back with a vengeance.

The most I gave was 4 tablets with every dose, along with 20mg biotin.

Each GSE tablet says it is equivalent to 12-15 drops GSE.

Dana

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Hello Madhuri,

My comments are interspersed.

>

> Hi - We are into 6 months of viral protocol for our almost 9 yr old

> (he is close to 2 yrs of chelation Andy's protocol using DMSA/ALA).

> We started viral in March when he was almost done with round 70 of

> chelation.

>

> We initially started with just Virastop and Candidase, later added

> OLE, and then finally Lauricidin. After 6 months into the protocol,

> we are at 14 VS,2 OLE(1000 mg),6 Candidase, 25 pellets Lauricidin,

25

> drops of GSE per dose, and giving this 3 times per day. I took

> Andy's/Dana's advice of combining all of these anti-virals and it

> seems to be working for my son.

>

> we have seen some remarkable improvements in my son, especially so

in

> the summer; some of the gains he is still retaining, some of them

> masked by massive yeast. He had always been very very skinny

weighing

> only 35 lbs at 5.5 yrs old. After having severe gastroentritis at

15

> months of age immediately following MMR, he never gained his weight

> back. This summer 2 months after starting viral protocol,he gained

> 17#, which is just amazing. For the first time in his life he needs

> the appropriate age level sizes. The fat absorption seems to have

> greatly improved after viral(although earlier introduction of eggs

> did not cause this kind of weight gain).The constant stimming which

> started with chelation has gone down drastically. Attention has

never

> been better(it keeps waning when the yeast is out of control which

is

> happening more often than I wish).

>

> For the first time he seems to be playing with his younger brother

(3

> yrs old), imitating whatever the youngest one does. Imitation play

> was never there in his text book.Battling yeast is still a major

> major issue, and despite having a powerful yeast arsenal,even that

> doesn't seem to be working sometimes.

>

> During the first few weeks, we have seen some improvements in his

> eating, its somewhat gone now(I suspect yeast). He was somewhat

> verbal with chelation, but lately I see that on and off,

> and again I think yeast is the culprit. And oh yes, his ability to

> think has also improved tremendously. Homework is still an issue

most

> of the times, but once he concentrates, its like a breeze.

>

> Another big thing that really made our lives easier is that he is

co-

> operating fully for hair cuts, which never happened before. It

always

> had been a struggle.

This all sounds wonderful. Congratulations :-)

>

> Until last week I was giving only 2 candidase for every dose;only

> when we ran out of it, after 2 days his yeast was so massive and he

> seemed to have lost all the gains he made(very frustrating!). for

the

> last couple of days, I started giving him 6 candidase per dose of

> virals(i.e.14 VS,1000 mg OLE,25 Lauricidin,25 drops of GSE).Am I

> giving too much candidase? since y'day he is having

> diarrhea, just like the time he had gastroentritis. His bottom is

all

> red. I saw blood in his stool this morning, and I'm not sure what's

> going on. I checked him and didn't see any external heamorroids.I

> will monitor tomorrow,but just wanted to make sure I'm not doing

> something wrong!

It does sound like a high dose of enzymes altogether. I've never

given that much Candex, which is very simlar to Candidase. I

preferred to use very high doses of probiotics and lower doses of the

yeast killers.

>

> I was hoping to go up to 15 VS per dose, hold it for 3 weeks(like

> suggested), and then start reducing. Is this how you did with

> VS?

I didn't do it the way suggested. Also, my son seemed to need

higher doses of VS. I believe we were up to 45 a day.

>

> how about Lauricidin? How high should we go with this one? It

> definetely causes lot of yeast more so than VS and OLE.

We went up to 3 scoops a day of the Lauricidin. All of the viral

supps caused very big yeast. I found that epicor helped control the

yeast. Not sure it would help during a viral protocol though. Do

you give biotin? That might help.

>

> Also, am I giving too much GSE? It seems like he needs that much

> every dose of anti-virals. If I try skipping once, the yeast comes

> back with a vengeance.

I was never comfortable using GSE very often. Have you considered

very high doses of probiotics and/or cultured foods like kombucha? I

found that approach to work better for us than simply attacking the

yeast. A kill and then replenish back and forth approach.

Best wishes,

Anita

>

> Thank you in advance!

>

> Madhuri

>

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Thank you all for responding.

Dana - I'm using Biotin too, about 5mg per dose of anti-virals along

with 25 drops of GSE. His diarrhea is much better, and is not

happening through out the day. After an hour of anti-viral dose that

he is having loose stools(which I'm assuming is good...the viruses

dying). I will increase biotin and see. I just increased Lauricidin

yesterday and he is driving me nuts today with his obsessive

behaviors and patterns(the nasty yeast again!). I'm going to bump up

his probiotics also.

Dana Pope - I know suggests 20 capsules of VS per day; with

every increase in VS, we saw improvements in my son, hence we are

continuing, but planning to hold off at 14 VS and reduce from here.

My son seems to need a higher dose of VS. Also my son is 9, the

viruses were there for a longer time in his body vs doing viral for a

younger child. How are your kids doing on this protocol? Have you

seen any improvements? how far into chelation have you started anti-

virals?

Anita - yes, I had been thinking about reducing GSE and instead use a

higher doses of probiotics. I'm using about 5mg biotin per dose of

anti-virals. I will take a look at kombucha. What probiotics have you

been using and what dosages? My son can't seem to take culterelle, I

suspect the inulin in it bothers him. He gets phenolic reactions like

red ears and sound sensitivity with culterelle. Currently we are

using Kyodophillus(about 40 tablets each with 1.5 billion), I can't

say for sure if it is 100% working for him. Besides lacto bacillus,

Kyodo has bifidum too. sometimes I wonder if the bifidum is causing

any issues to him. I have read that in SCD diet, bifidum is not

allowed.

Thanks again!

Madhuri

>

> Hi - We are into 6 months of viral protocol for our almost 9 yr old

> (he is close to 2 yrs of chelation Andy's protocol using DMSA/ALA).

> We started viral in March when he was almost done with round 70 of

> chelation.

>

> We initially started with just Virastop and Candidase, later added

> OLE, and then finally Lauricidin. After 6 months into the protocol,

> we are at 14 VS,2 OLE(1000 mg),6 Candidase, 25 pellets Lauricidin,

25

> drops of GSE per dose, and giving this 3 times per day. I took

> Andy's/Dana's advice of combining all of these anti-virals and it

> seems to be working for my son.

>

> we have seen some remarkable improvements in my son, especially so

in

> the summer; some of the gains he is still retaining, some of them

> masked by massive yeast. He had always been very very skinny

weighing

> only 35 lbs at 5.5 yrs old. After having severe gastroentritis at

15

> months of age immediately following MMR, he never gained his weight

> back. This summer 2 months after starting viral protocol,he gained

> 17#, which is just amazing. For the first time in his life he needs

> the appropriate age level sizes. The fat absorption seems to have

> greatly improved after viral(although earlier introduction of eggs

> did not cause this kind of weight gain).The constant stimming which

> started with chelation has gone down drastically. Attention has

never

> been better(it keeps waning when the yeast is out of control which

is

> happening more often than I wish).

>

> For the first time he seems to be playing with his younger brother

(3

> yrs old), imitating whatever the youngest one does. Imitation play

> was never there in his text book.Battling yeast is still a major

> major issue, and despite having a powerful yeast arsenal,even that

> doesn't seem to be working sometimes.

>

> During the first few weeks, we have seen some improvements in his

> eating, its somewhat gone now(I suspect yeast). He was somewhat

> verbal with chelation, but lately I see that on and off,

> and again I think yeast is the culprit. And oh yes, his ability to

> think has also improved tremendously. Homework is still an issue

most

> of the times, but once he concentrates, its like a breeze.

>

> Another big thing that really made our lives easier is that he is

co-

> operating fully for hair cuts, which never happened before. It

always

> had been a struggle.

>

> Until last week I was giving only 2 candidase for every dose;only

> when we ran out of it, after 2 days his yeast was so massive and he

> seemed to have lost all the gains he made(very frustrating!). for

the

> last couple of days, I started giving him 6 candidase per dose of

> virals(i.e.14 VS,1000 mg OLE,25 Lauricidin,25 drops of GSE).Am I

> giving too much candidase? since y'day he is having

> diarrhea, just like the time he had gastroentritis. His bottom is

all

> red. I saw blood in his stool this morning, and I'm not sure what's

> going on. I checked him and didn't see any external heamorroids.I

> will monitor tomorrow,but just wanted to make sure I'm not doing

> something wrong!

>

> I was hoping to go up to 15 VS per dose, hold it for 3 weeks(like

> suggested), and then start reducing. Is this how you did with

> VS?

>

> how about Lauricidin? How high should we go with this one? It

> definetely causes lot of yeast more so than VS and OLE.

>

> Also, am I giving too much GSE? It seems like he needs that much

> every dose of anti-virals. If I try skipping once, the yeast comes

> back with a vengeance.

>

> Thank you in advance!

>

> Madhuri

>

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>

> Anita - yes, I had been thinking about reducing GSE and instead use a

> higher doses of probiotics. I'm using about 5mg biotin per dose of

> anti-virals. I will take a look at kombucha. What probiotics have you

> been using and what dosages?

Madhuri,

We've used many brands of probiotics. Culturelle, CP1, Kirkmans Super

Pro Bio, VSL3, some dirt based ones, a custom blend from custom

probiotics, and a few more I'm forgetting. For quite a long time we

were using 1 trillion a day. It's a long haul, that's for sure, with

the yeast. Working on the immune system has helped. So has chelating

long enough.

Anita