ALA... If you give individual vitamins...

[Guest guest]

when doing the ALA protocol ... do you have to give all the ones that

Andy lists? If so, it would be like 13 individual supplemnts, correct?

[Guest guest]

>

> when doing the ALA protocol ... do you have to give all the ones that

> Andy lists? If so, it would be like 13 individual supplemnts, correct?

When I started ALA, the only supplement my son tolerated was HNI

enzymes. I believed he was not going to improve without chelation, so

I started low dose of ALA without the supporting supps. Every 10

rounds or so, I tried to add a few back. At round 10, I was able to

add a few. By round 50, I was able to add the ones he needed.

It is preferable to have supps in place before chelating, but

sometimes not possible.

Dana

[Guest guest]

If I do start introducing individual vitamins instead of the Super Nu

Thera. Is There a vitamin in particular that you think I should start

with? I think Dr. Pangborn suggests Tuarine be in place first. So I

could probably keep chelation while I am introducing these individual

vitamins even if I only have a few in place at the time of chelation?

On Aug 28, 2008, at 8:11 AM, danasview wrote:

>

> >

> > when doing the ALA protocol ... do you have to give all the ones

> that

> > Andy lists? If so, it would be like 13 individual supplemnts,

> correct?

>

> When I started ALA, the only supplement my son tolerated was HNI

> enzymes. I believed he was not going to improve without chelation, so

> I started low dose of ALA without the supporting supps. Every 10

> rounds or so, I tried to add a few back. At round 10, I was able to

> add a few. By round 50, I was able to add the ones he needed.

>

> It is preferable to have supps in place before chelating, but

> sometimes not possible.

>

> Dana

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, if your daughter tolerates the vitamins, you don't have to

use them individually. Many of our kids cannot handle the multi-

vitamins and complexes, if yours does, then that's great you don't

have to worry about using individual ones.

> > >

> > > when doing the ALA protocol ... do you have to give all the

ones

> > that

> > > Andy lists? If so, it would be like 13 individual supplemnts,

> > correct?

> >

> > When I started ALA, the only supplement my son tolerated was HNI

> > enzymes. I believed he was not going to improve without

chelation, so

> > I started low dose of ALA without the supporting supps. Every 10

> > rounds or so, I tried to add a few back. At round 10, I was able

to

> > add a few. By round 50, I was able to add the ones he needed.

> >

> > It is preferable to have supps in place before chelating, but

> > sometimes not possible.

> >

> > Dana

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think they are helping her, but also hurting her. I think when she

just gets a teeny bit of the SNT its not a problem, but I was giving

2 capsules a day. She seems to need just little bits of things. I do

need to clear something up. When I am chelation her (every 3 hours)

can I just give the ALA in the evening with out the supplements? and

just give the supplements during the day?

On Aug 28, 2008, at 11:39 AM, wrote:

> , if your daughter tolerates the vitamins, you don't have to

> use them individually. Many of our kids cannot handle the multi-

> vitamins and complexes, if yours does, then that's great you don't

> have to worry about using individual ones.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > when doing the ALA protocol ... do you have to give all the

> ones

> > > that

> > > > Andy lists? If so, it would be like 13 individual supplemnts,

> > > correct?

> > >

> > > When I started ALA, the only supplement my son tolerated was HNI

> > > enzymes. I believed he was not going to improve without

> chelation, so

> > > I started low dose of ALA without the supporting supps. Every 10

> > > rounds or so, I tried to add a few back. At round 10, I was able

> to

> > > add a few. By round 50, I was able to add the ones he needed.

> > >

> > > It is preferable to have supps in place before chelating, but

> > > sometimes not possible.

> > >

> > > Dana

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

to be honest... i dont' know how if the SNT is helping. i think it

may be the diflucan that made the difference with the chelation. i

just don't know for sure.

On Aug 28, 2008, at 11:39 AM, wrote:

> , if your daughter tolerates the vitamins, you don't have to

> use them individually. Many of our kids cannot handle the multi-

> vitamins and complexes, if yours does, then that's great you don't

> have to worry about using individual ones.

>

>

> > > >

> > > > when doing the ALA protocol ... do you have to give all the

> ones

> > > that

> > > > Andy lists? If so, it would be like 13 individual supplemnts,

> > > correct?

> > >

> > > When I started ALA, the only supplement my son tolerated was HNI

> > > enzymes. I believed he was not going to improve without

> chelation, so

> > > I started low dose of ALA without the supporting supps. Every 10

> > > rounds or so, I tried to add a few back. At round 10, I was able

> to

> > > add a few. By round 50, I was able to add the ones he needed.

> > >

> > > It is preferable to have supps in place before chelating, but

> > > sometimes not possible.

> > >

> > > Dana

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Yes, you don't have to continue supplements at night. Maybe you

could split the capsules if you think she is getting too much. You

can buy NOW brand capsules online, they are useful.

> > > > >

> > > > > when doing the ALA protocol ... do you have to give all the

> > ones

> > > > that

> > > > > Andy lists? If so, it would be like 13 individual

supplemnts,

> > > > correct?

> > > >

> > > > When I started ALA, the only supplement my son tolerated was

HNI

> > > > enzymes. I believed he was not going to improve without

> > chelation, so

> > > > I started low dose of ALA without the supporting supps. Every

10

> > > > rounds or so, I tried to add a few back. At round 10, I was

able

> > to

> > > > add a few. By round 50, I was able to add the ones he needed.

> > > >

> > > > It is preferable to have supps in place before chelating, but

> > > > sometimes not possible.

> > > >

> > > > Dana

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

> > I think Dr. Pangborn

has inadequate perspective to give clear instructions (I've been trying to

figure out what he

is saying in some DAN! books recently, it's rather frustrating) or to give you a

parsimonious set of things to do. If you want to do everything and the kitchen

sink too

then he and I will agree mostly on what to do, if you want to focus on what is

important he

doesn't provide that kind of information.

> > > > > > when doing the ALA protocol ... do you have to give all the

> > > ones

> > > > > that

> > > > > > Andy lists? If so, it would be like 13 individual

> supplemnts,

> > > > > correct?

No, the basic 4 are vitamins C, E, magnesium and zinc.

If you want to add more, there are certainly more that may be extremely helpful,

but those

are the basics.

A lot of kids do not tolerate SNT even though it does benefit many others

greatly. There is

very little that is 'one size fits all,' do what works for your kid.

There is some likelihood that the kids who don't do welll on SNT may do well on

the

Feingold diet if you are willing to try dietary interventions. There's nothing

wrong with not

trying it if it is hard to do - the most important thing is to chelate him if he

responds to

that.

Andy

[Guest guest]

andy, thanks for always answering our questions no matter how many times they

get asked. i have my son who is 20 months on magnesium, b-6 probiotcs, vitaminc

(which he has started refusing) , multi, omega 3 gummi, and mb12 (oral). i also

have zinc and cod liver oil but i dont know how much to give of the zinc, cod

liver oil, and vitamin c he weighs 28lbs. and also i need to start E also right?

how much of that? thanks, sharon

From: andrewhallcutler <AndyCutler@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: ALA... If you give individual vitamins...

Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 3:11 PM

> > I think Dr. Pangborn

has inadequate perspective to give clear instructions (I've been trying to

figure out what he

is saying in some DAN! books recently, it's rather frustrating) or to give you a

parsimonious set of things to do. If you want to do everything and the kitchen

sink too

then he and I will agree mostly on what to do, if you want to focus on what is

important he

doesn't provide that kind of information.

> > > > > > when doing the ALA protocol ... do you have to give all the

> > > ones

> > > > > that

> > > > > > Andy lists? If so, it would be like 13 individual

> supplemnts,

> > > > > correct?

No, the basic 4 are vitamins C, E, magnesium and zinc.

If you want to add more, there are certainly more that may be extremely helpful,

but those

are the basics.

A lot of kids do not tolerate SNT even though it does benefit many others

greatly. There is

very little that is 'one size fits all,' do what works for your kid.

There is some likelihood that the kids who don't do welll on SNT may do well on

the

Feingold diet if you are willing to try dietary interventions. There's nothing

wrong with not

trying it if it is hard to do - the most important thing is to chelate him if he

responds to

that.

Andy

[Guest guest]

We have tried the FG diet and the cave man diet. My dd could not

drink pure healthy water without becoming violent. Not sure if all

of these other kids are like this or not. Seems like I have an

unusual girl, from what I hear. She raged 24 hours a day. Man, it was

bad... and sad!

On Aug 28, 2008, at 2:11 PM, andrewhallcutler wrote:

> > > I think Dr. Pangborn

>

> has inadequate perspective to give clear instructions (I've been

> trying to figure out what he

> is saying in some DAN! books recently, it's rather frustrating) or

> to give you a

> parsimonious set of things to do. If you want to do everything and

> the kitchen sink too

> then he and I will agree mostly on what to do, if you want to focus

> on what is important he

> doesn't provide that kind of information.

>

> > > > > > > when doing the ALA protocol ... do you have to give all

> the

> > > > ones

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > Andy lists? If so, it would be like 13 individual

> > supplemnts,

> > > > > > correct?

>

> No, the basic 4 are vitamins C, E, magnesium and zinc.

>

> If you want to add more, there are certainly more that may be

> extremely helpful, but those

> are the basics.

>

> A lot of kids do not tolerate SNT even though it does benefit many

> others greatly. There is

> very little that is 'one size fits all,' do what works for your kid.

>

> There is some likelihood that the kids who don't do welll on SNT

> may do well on the

> Feingold diet if you are willing to try dietary interventions.

> There's nothing wrong with not

> trying it if it is hard to do - the most important thing is to

> chelate him if he responds to

> that.

>

> Andy

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> andy, thanks for always answering our questions no matter how many times they

get

asked. i have my son who is 20 months on magnesium, b-6 probiotcs, vitaminc

(which he

has started refusing) , multi, omega 3 gummi, and mb12 (oral). i also have zinc

and cod

liver oil but i dont know how much to give of the zinc, cod liver oil, and

vitamin c he

weighs 28lbs. and also i need to start E also right? how much of that? thanks,

sharon

C, BUFFERED FORM, maybe a gram throughout the day, or at least 500 mg.

Omega 3 or CLO as much as is convenient. Keep the vitamin D below 1,200 IU a

day.

Zinc, 40-50 mg.

Andy

[Guest guest]

Was it fluoride-free water?

S S

Re: ALA... If you give individual vitamins...

Posted by: " Arias " thinkingheads@... denise_arias

Thu Aug 28, 2008 1:12 pm (PDT)

We have tried the FG diet and the cave man diet. My dd could not

drink pure healthy water without becoming violent. Not sure if all

of these other kids are like this or not. Seems like I have an

unusual girl, from what I hear. She raged 24 hours a day. Man, it was

bad... and sad!

[Guest guest]

>

> If I do start introducing individual vitamins instead of the Super Nu

> Thera. Is There a vitamin in particular that you think I should start

> with?

Of the Bs, my son needed LARGE doses of B1, B6, B12, folic acid, and

biotin. He did well on the B50 once I was able to include it, so he

needed the other Bs also, just not as high of doses.

For chelating, I would think vitamin C would be one of the important

ones, because it is an antioxidant.

>>I think Dr. Pangborn suggests Tuarine be in place first.

Taurine helps with liver issues, so if your child's liver is weak, you

can try that one. My son needed taurine as part of mito cocktail, and

to address chemical sensitivity issues.

ALA has liver supporting properties, so you may not need liver support.

I don't have much respect for Pangborn.

So I

> could probably keep chelation while I am introducing these individual

> vitamins even if I only have a few in place at the time of chelation?

If your child is doing fine, then based on my experience, yes.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

> I think they are helping her, but also hurting her. I think when she

> just gets a teeny bit of the SNT its not a problem, but I was giving

> 2 capsules a day.

B vitamins caused wild hyper and major behavior problems for my son

until about round 50 of ALA chelation. At that point, they caused

major calming and other benefits.

Most B vitamins did tend to increase yeast.

>>When I am chelation her (every 3 hours)

> can I just give the ALA in the evening with out the supplements? and

> just give the supplements during the day?

I believe this is what most people do.

Dana