Re: Bioidentical Testosterone, Carbon 13 Isotopes, and and Soy

[Guest guest]

This is great information, but lest anyone get the wrong idea: eating

more soy will not get your more testosterone. Digestion doesn't allow

for that. The compounds have to be extracted and refined and

administered IM, SQ or transdermally, as orally the liver would just

break it down before it could have any effect in the body.

Chris

--- sbryant511 <sbryant511@...> wrote:

> This article is abit to take in. However, there are two facts

> illustrated by this whole Landis mess and they are mentioned in this

> article.

>

> First, no exogenous testosterone is identical to that which is made

> by the humand body. Second the majority of pharmacutical testosterone

>

> is derived from soy. This is whether Solvay makes it for androgel or

> if your compounding pharmacy makes you a batch of " bioidentical

> testosterone " or if a elite anti aging clinic sells you a tube of all

>

> natural " bioidentical testosterone "

>

> Here are a couple excerpts:

>

> By chance, soy plants are the source of MOST pharmaceutical

> testosterone. They tend to have slightly less carbon-13 than other

> plants that are more abundant in the human diet. Humans make

> testosterone from the food they eat, so their testosterone typically

> has more carbon-13 than the testosterone that drug companies

> synthesize from soy......

>

> ....The test determines whether the testosterone in the athlete's

> urine has less carbon-13 than another naturally occurring hormone in

> the urine, like cholesterol. The test is considered positive when the

>

> carbon isotope ratio — the amount of carbon-13 compared to carbon-12

> —

> is three or more units higher in the athlete's testosterone than it

> is in the comparison hormone. It is evidence that the testosterone in

>

> the urine was not made by the athlete's body. Landis's difference was

>

> 3.99, according to his own doctor.

>

> The current belief is that Landis may have had a massage where the

> massuese used androgel as a part of the massage oil/ointment.

>

>

> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/02/sports/othersports/02landis.html?

> ex=1312171200 & en=1327f8675997f840 & ei=5088 & partner=rssnyt & emc=rss

>

> The next link contains a quote from Solvay, the makers of Androgel in

>

> which he admits that the testosterone that Solvay uses is NOT

> identical.

>

> At the risk of being too redundant, the larger point here is that

> most all Testosterone preparations are made from Soy and Yams--

> natural ingredients.

>

> The extracts from the soy and the yam have to be synthesised to form

> the complete functional testosterone or estrogen molecule, and to

> that extent the majority of pharmacutical testosterone starts out the

>

> same. So whether you buy androgel or a " bioidentical testosterone "

> cream from a Suzzane Sommers sanctioned provider the main difference

> and the difference is the gel or the cream that the bioidentical

> testosterone is mixed with.

>

>

> http://www.oecs.org/Sports%20Desk/articles/YamsandSoya.php

>

> Education and real science are your best defense against medical

> incompetency and marketing hype aimed at your pocket book.

>

>

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