Re: NEED help with my young husband and his LOW testosterone!!

[Guest guest]

Hi my last Thyroid test my Dr. told me is fine but he is going by the TSH

only here is what my test was.

TSH is 2.939 range is 0.4 to 4.7 uIU/mL

Free T3 was 2.32 range 1.5 to 3.5 pg/mL

Free T4 was 0.91 range 0.71 to 2.23 ng/dL

Phil

<d_timmsjosey@...> wrote:

Dhea declines after 35, but 17 points from the edge is very very low

for someone your age. If your free t's are borderline low, do you mean

in the bottom of the range (ie. range is .8 - 1.9 and you are .8 or

..9)? If so, this would indicate a need for possible thyroid hormones.

Have you ever had your thyroid antibodies tested? What's your TSH. The

New TSH range was narrowed down to .3 - 3.0, and anything over 2.0

should be monitored very closely. WHere are you at. It is not at all

uncommon for those with failing thyroids from thyroid disease to have

low DHEA, hormonal issues etc...

> Has anyone seen a normal ranges chart (by age) for DHEA. I'd like to

see where I'm supposed to fit at age 41. My DHEA is at the low end of

normal 17 points from the cliff. I have a lot of other related lows

simular to Phil - low T, high E2, borderline low T3 and T4, low

phosphorus and calcium, and a few other odd readings. Have a new doc

appointment on the 29th, this will be number 6.

>

> L

>

> wrote:

> HI JIm,

>

> My doc wanted to just " try " the dhea to see if it would budge his

> hormones because it is like a master hormone to all the other

> hormones. Also, he needs it anyway since his dhea is 140 and the range

> is 80-450 and he should be somewhere near the upper end of the range

> at his age. He has the DHEA of an elderly man and of course with low

> levels of DHEA, it opens a pandora's box to age related illness,

> autoimmune disease and even cancer. He already has alopecia. It's a

> bald spot that has grown from 1 quarter in size to about 6 in 5 months

> (not a fun thing to have on top of all this hormonal crap). Anyway,

> She thought it was worth a try because she seemed hesitant to start

> him off with testosterone. The testosterone she prescribed is called

> chrysin. It is totally bioidentical (same thing his body already

> produces, nothing synthetic whatsoever).

>

> As for being understanding, trust me, if it wasn't for me, he would

> not be even getting help. I have been the one to research and do all

> the appointment setting etc... I myself have an autoimmune disease -

> hashimoto's - and hormonal problems too. I can TOTALLY empathize. I

> have been dealing with undiagnosed hashi's since i was at least 15 and

> finally got diagnosed almost 3 years ago. I just don't understand how

> the both of us could be so unlucky. Now I need to worry about my

children.

>

>

>

>

> > Hi -

> >

> > Betaine, brad and Phil have already given you good

> > advice and I would agree with all that they said. Let

> > me just add -

> >

> > 1. I would be very concerned about your " hormone

> > specialist " doc. To me, prescribing DHEA to correct

> > low testosterone is voodoo medicine. If you do the

> > research, you will find that, in males, DHEA can

> > convert to either testosterone or estrogen. I don't

> > know of any doctor who knows what they are doing who

> > would prescribe DHEA to treat a testosterone

> > deficiency. Which is not to say that the low DHEA

> > should not be treated with a supplement.

> >

> > 2. What testosterone has been prescribed? Be aware

> > that exogenous testosterone will shut down your

> > husband's own production and the exogenous

> > testosterone may not be enough to bring him back to

> > where he was. He may wind up with lower levels and

> > feeling worse as a result of this prescription. This

> > has happened to many of us.

> >

> >

> > 3. Be nice to your husband. He is having to deal with

> > a very tough issue. I know from experience.

> >

> > Jim

> >

> >

> > --- wrote:

> >

> > > Hi y'all! New here!

> > >

> > > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > > then, his health has

> > > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > > that this has

> > > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > > answers and it

> > > appear that his

> > > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > > (range 6.5 -

> > > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > > with the children

> > > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > > longer the same

> > > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > > drive is literally

> > > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > > is low as well as

> > > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > > levels of a MUCH

> > > older man.

> > >

> > > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > > are going

> > > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > > He is way too

> > > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > > hormones

> > > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > > supplemental DHEA and it

> > > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > > even lower. She

> > > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

here are some numbers for you.

100mg x weekly IM - no other HRT meds or meds that would bring down T or any

other endo gland.

Total T 321 (250-1100)

% Free T 2.41 (1.1-2.8)

Free T 77.3 (35.0-155.0)

E2 36 (13-54) has been as high as 67

DHEA 97.4 (80.0-560)

TSH 1.1 (0.30-4.50) has been as low as .7

TPO 5.4 (<30 Negative)

T3/T4/T7/ all midline normal

Calcium sometimes elevated

Phosphorus usually low

note: SHBG is very low and has been low since beginning. averages around 8-9

(7-50) both on and off HRT.

So a few questions for the group. (Phil has referenced a few of these but

everyone please chime in)

1. Low SHBG references a thyroid issue, yes/no?

2. low DHEA references bad adrenals, yes/no?

3. adrenals pull down the thyroid (TSH) but leaves T4/T3 normal (compensating

for something), yes/no? what?

4. would these tests point to a pituitary issue? (i think so but the docs

don't)

sound off guys. next doc appointment is the 29th with doc #6

L

<d_timmsjosey@...> wrote:

Dhea declines after 35, but 17 points from the edge is very very low

for someone your age. If your free t's are borderline low, do you mean

in the bottom of the range (ie. range is .8 - 1.9 and you are .8 or

..9)? If so, this would indicate a need for possible thyroid hormones.

Have you ever had your thyroid antibodies tested? What's your TSH. The

New TSH range was narrowed down to .3 - 3.0, and anything over 2.0

should be monitored very closely. WHere are you at. It is not at all

uncommon for those with failing thyroids from thyroid disease to have

low DHEA, hormonal issues etc...

> Has anyone seen a normal ranges chart (by age) for DHEA. I'd like to

see where I'm supposed to fit at age 41. My DHEA is at the low end of

normal 17 points from the cliff. I have a lot of other related lows

simular to Phil - low T, high E2, borderline low T3 and T4, low

phosphorus and calcium, and a few other odd readings. Have a new doc

appointment on the 29th, this will be number 6.

>

> L

>

> wrote:

> HI JIm,

>

> My doc wanted to just " try " the dhea to see if it would budge his

> hormones because it is like a master hormone to all the other

> hormones. Also, he needs it anyway since his dhea is 140 and the range

> is 80-450 and he should be somewhere near the upper end of the range

> at his age. He has the DHEA of an elderly man and of course with low

> levels of DHEA, it opens a pandora's box to age related illness,

> autoimmune disease and even cancer. He already has alopecia. It's a

> bald spot that has grown from 1 quarter in size to about 6 in 5 months

> (not a fun thing to have on top of all this hormonal crap). Anyway,

> She thought it was worth a try because she seemed hesitant to start

> him off with testosterone. The testosterone she prescribed is called

> chrysin. It is totally bioidentical (same thing his body already

> produces, nothing synthetic whatsoever).

>

> As for being understanding, trust me, if it wasn't for me, he would

> not be even getting help. I have been the one to research and do all

> the appointment setting etc... I myself have an autoimmune disease -

> hashimoto's - and hormonal problems too. I can TOTALLY empathize. I

> have been dealing with undiagnosed hashi's since i was at least 15 and

> finally got diagnosed almost 3 years ago. I just don't understand how

> the both of us could be so unlucky. Now I need to worry about my

children.

>

>

>

>

> > Hi -

> >

> > Betaine, brad and Phil have already given you good

> > advice and I would agree with all that they said. Let

> > me just add -

> >

> > 1. I would be very concerned about your " hormone

> > specialist " doc. To me, prescribing DHEA to correct

> > low testosterone is voodoo medicine. If you do the

> > research, you will find that, in males, DHEA can

> > convert to either testosterone or estrogen. I don't

> > know of any doctor who knows what they are doing who

> > would prescribe DHEA to treat a testosterone

> > deficiency. Which is not to say that the low DHEA

> > should not be treated with a supplement.

> >

> > 2. What testosterone has been prescribed? Be aware

> > that exogenous testosterone will shut down your

> > husband's own production and the exogenous

> > testosterone may not be enough to bring him back to

> > where he was. He may wind up with lower levels and

> > feeling worse as a result of this prescription. This

> > has happened to many of us.

> >

> >

> > 3. Be nice to your husband. He is having to deal with

> > a very tough issue. I know from experience.

> >

> > Jim

> >

> >

> > --- wrote:

> >

> > > Hi y'all! New here!

> > >

> > > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > > then, his health has

> > > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > > that this has

> > > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > > answers and it

> > > appear that his

> > > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > > (range 6.5 -

> > > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > > with the children

> > > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > > longer the same

> > > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > > drive is literally

> > > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > > is low as well as

> > > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > > levels of a MUCH

> > > older man.

> > >

> > > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > > are going

> > > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > > He is way too

> > > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > > hormones

> > > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > > supplemental DHEA and it

> > > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > > even lower. She

> > > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

That's kind of what I thought too Phil. My husband's has been

consistently low (140-155 and I re-read the range and is it is

80-560). I am pretty darn sure that a level as low as his is not just

some swinging level. He's 32 for crying out loud, not 65.

> Liam Lef.had a chart and when I linked to it they changed it and the

chart is gone. But in the chart they said men any age need DHEA at 400

> Phil

>

> Liam <patrolbase19@...> wrote:

> Has anyone seen a normal ranges chart (by age) for DHEA. I'd like

to see where I'm supposed to fit at age 41. My DHEA is at the low end

of normal 17 points from the cliff. I have a lot of other related lows

simular to Phil - low T, high E2, borderline low T3 and T4, low

phosphorus and calcium, and a few other odd readings. Have a new doc

appointment on the 29th, this will be number 6.

>

> L

>

> wrote:

> HI JIm,

>

> My doc wanted to just " try " the dhea to see if it would budge his

> hormones because it is like a master hormone to all the other

> hormones. Also, he needs it anyway since his dhea is 140 and the range

> is 80-450 and he should be somewhere near the upper end of the range

> at his age. He has the DHEA of an elderly man and of course with low

> levels of DHEA, it opens a pandora's box to age related illness,

> autoimmune disease and even cancer. He already has alopecia. It's a

> bald spot that has grown from 1 quarter in size to about 6 in 5 months

> (not a fun thing to have on top of all this hormonal crap). Anyway,

> She thought it was worth a try because she seemed hesitant to start

> him off with testosterone. The testosterone she prescribed is called

> chrysin. It is totally bioidentical (same thing his body already

> produces, nothing synthetic whatsoever).

>

> As for being understanding, trust me, if it wasn't for me, he would

> not be even getting help. I have been the one to research and do all

> the appointment setting etc... I myself have an autoimmune disease -

> hashimoto's - and hormonal problems too. I can TOTALLY empathize. I

> have been dealing with undiagnosed hashi's since i was at least 15 and

> finally got diagnosed almost 3 years ago. I just don't understand how

> the both of us could be so unlucky. Now I need to worry about my

children.

>

>

>

>

> > Hi -

> >

> > Betaine, brad and Phil have already given you good

> > advice and I would agree with all that they said. Let

> > me just add -

> >

> > 1. I would be very concerned about your " hormone

> > specialist " doc. To me, prescribing DHEA to correct

> > low testosterone is voodoo medicine. If you do the

> > research, you will find that, in males, DHEA can

> > convert to either testosterone or estrogen. I don't

> > know of any doctor who knows what they are doing who

> > would prescribe DHEA to treat a testosterone

> > deficiency. Which is not to say that the low DHEA

> > should not be treated with a supplement.

> >

> > 2. What testosterone has been prescribed? Be aware

> > that exogenous testosterone will shut down your

> > husband's own production and the exogenous

> > testosterone may not be enough to bring him back to

> > where he was. He may wind up with lower levels and

> > feeling worse as a result of this prescription. This

> > has happened to many of us.

> >

> >

> > 3. Be nice to your husband. He is having to deal with

> > a very tough issue. I know from experience.

> >

> > Jim

> >

> >

> > --- wrote:

> >

> > > Hi y'all! New here!

> > >

> > > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > > then, his health has

> > > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > > that this has

> > > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > > answers and it

> > > appear that his

> > > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > > (range 6.5 -

> > > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > > with the children

> > > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > > longer the same

> > > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > > drive is literally

> > > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > > is low as well as

> > > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > > levels of a MUCH

> > > older man.

> > >

> > > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > > are going

> > > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > > He is way too

> > > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > > hormones

> > > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > > supplemental DHEA and it

> > > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > > even lower. She

> > > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

I would say PHIL without a doubt, that you could add in some Armour to

your regime. If you are worried about a doc not treating you (and

remember the TSH range is .3 - 3.0) which is not uncommon, they are

really clueless about thyroid, you can always order overseas (I am

sure yourwife knows all about this though). I would give my husband

Armour with those levels. A small (perhaps 1 grain) amount may be all

you need.

P.S. that free t3 range is really low. Is that because of your age???

My free t4 was 5.2 (over the standrard range), but many other labs

have a higher top end (6.2) and my doc likes to see mine between 5 and 6.

> Hi my last Thyroid test my Dr. told me is fine but he is

going by the TSH only here is what my test was.

>

> TSH is 2.939 range is 0.4 to 4.7 uIU/mL

> Free T3 was 2.32 range 1.5 to 3.5 pg/mL

> Free T4 was 0.91 range 0.71 to 2.23 ng/dL

>

> Phil

> <d_timmsjosey@...> wrote:

> Dhea declines after 35, but 17 points from the edge is very very low

> for someone your age. If your free t's are borderline low, do you mean

> in the bottom of the range (ie. range is .8 - 1.9 and you are .8 or

> .9)? If so, this would indicate a need for possible thyroid hormones.

> Have you ever had your thyroid antibodies tested? What's your TSH. The

> New TSH range was narrowed down to .3 - 3.0, and anything over 2.0

> should be monitored very closely. WHere are you at. It is not at all

> uncommon for those with failing thyroids from thyroid disease to have

> low DHEA, hormonal issues etc...

>

>

> > Has anyone seen a normal ranges chart (by age) for DHEA. I'd like to

> see where I'm supposed to fit at age 41. My DHEA is at the low end of

> normal 17 points from the cliff. I have a lot of other related lows

> simular to Phil - low T, high E2, borderline low T3 and T4, low

> phosphorus and calcium, and a few other odd readings. Have a new doc

> appointment on the 29th, this will be number 6.

> >

> > L

> >

> > wrote:

> > HI JIm,

> >

> > My doc wanted to just " try " the dhea to see if it would budge his

> > hormones because it is like a master hormone to all the other

> > hormones. Also, he needs it anyway since his dhea is 140 and the range

> > is 80-450 and he should be somewhere near the upper end of the range

> > at his age. He has the DHEA of an elderly man and of course with low

> > levels of DHEA, it opens a pandora's box to age related illness,

> > autoimmune disease and even cancer. He already has alopecia. It's a

> > bald spot that has grown from 1 quarter in size to about 6 in 5 months

> > (not a fun thing to have on top of all this hormonal crap). Anyway,

> > She thought it was worth a try because she seemed hesitant to start

> > him off with testosterone. The testosterone she prescribed is called

> > chrysin. It is totally bioidentical (same thing his body already

> > produces, nothing synthetic whatsoever).

> >

> > As for being understanding, trust me, if it wasn't for me, he would

> > not be even getting help. I have been the one to research and do all

> > the appointment setting etc... I myself have an autoimmune disease -

> > hashimoto's - and hormonal problems too. I can TOTALLY empathize. I

> > have been dealing with undiagnosed hashi's since i was at least 15 and

> > finally got diagnosed almost 3 years ago. I just don't understand how

> > the both of us could be so unlucky. Now I need to worry about my

> children.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hi -

> > >

> > > Betaine, brad and Phil have already given you good

> > > advice and I would agree with all that they said. Let

> > > me just add -

> > >

> > > 1. I would be very concerned about your " hormone

> > > specialist " doc. To me, prescribing DHEA to correct

> > > low testosterone is voodoo medicine. If you do the

> > > research, you will find that, in males, DHEA can

> > > convert to either testosterone or estrogen. I don't

> > > know of any doctor who knows what they are doing who

> > > would prescribe DHEA to treat a testosterone

> > > deficiency. Which is not to say that the low DHEA

> > > should not be treated with a supplement.

> > >

> > > 2. What testosterone has been prescribed? Be aware

> > > that exogenous testosterone will shut down your

> > > husband's own production and the exogenous

> > > testosterone may not be enough to bring him back to

> > > where he was. He may wind up with lower levels and

> > > feeling worse as a result of this prescription. This

> > > has happened to many of us.

> > >

> > >

> > > 3. Be nice to your husband. He is having to deal with

> > > a very tough issue. I know from experience.

> > >

> > > Jim

> > >

> > >

> > > --- wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi y'all! New here!

> > > >

> > > > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > > > then, his health has

> > > > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > > > that this has

> > > > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > > > answers and it

> > > > appear that his

> > > > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > > > (range 6.5 -

> > > > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > > > with the children

> > > > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > > > longer the same

> > > > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > > > drive is literally

> > > > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > > > is low as well as

> > > > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > > > levels of a MUCH

> > > > older man.

> > > >

> > > > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > > > are going

> > > > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > > > He is way too

> > > > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > > > hormones

> > > > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > > > supplemental DHEA and it

> > > > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > > > even lower. She

> > > > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

how does one get low DHEA?...other than normal aging? im 30yo and my DHEA is 175

ref range 80 - 560. tested 2x (1st time it was 183).

just curious.

philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

Liam Lef.had a chart and when I linked to it they changed it and the

chart is gone. But in the chart they said men any age need DHEA at 400

Phil

Liam <patrolbase19@...> wrote:

Has anyone seen a normal ranges chart (by age) for DHEA. I'd like to see where

I'm supposed to fit at age 41. My DHEA is at the low end of normal 17 points

from the cliff. I have a lot of other related lows simular to Phil - low T, high

E2, borderline low T3 and T4, low phosphorus and calcium, and a few other odd

readings. Have a new doc appointment on the 29th, this will be number 6.

L

wrote:

HI JIm,

My doc wanted to just " try " the dhea to see if it would budge his

hormones because it is like a master hormone to all the other

hormones. Also, he needs it anyway since his dhea is 140 and the range

is 80-450 and he should be somewhere near the upper end of the range

at his age. He has the DHEA of an elderly man and of course with low

levels of DHEA, it opens a pandora's box to age related illness,

autoimmune disease and even cancer. He already has alopecia. It's a

bald spot that has grown from 1 quarter in size to about 6 in 5 months

(not a fun thing to have on top of all this hormonal crap). Anyway,

She thought it was worth a try because she seemed hesitant to start

him off with testosterone. The testosterone she prescribed is called

chrysin. It is totally bioidentical (same thing his body already

produces, nothing synthetic whatsoever).

As for being understanding, trust me, if it wasn't for me, he would

not be even getting help. I have been the one to research and do all

the appointment setting etc... I myself have an autoimmune disease -

hashimoto's - and hormonal problems too. I can TOTALLY empathize. I

have been dealing with undiagnosed hashi's since i was at least 15 and

finally got diagnosed almost 3 years ago. I just don't understand how

the both of us could be so unlucky. Now I need to worry about my children.

> Hi -

>

> Betaine, brad and Phil have already given you good

> advice and I would agree with all that they said. Let

> me just add -

>

> 1. I would be very concerned about your " hormone

> specialist " doc. To me, prescribing DHEA to correct

> low testosterone is voodoo medicine. If you do the

> research, you will find that, in males, DHEA can

> convert to either testosterone or estrogen. I don't

> know of any doctor who knows what they are doing who

> would prescribe DHEA to treat a testosterone

> deficiency. Which is not to say that the low DHEA

> should not be treated with a supplement.

>

> 2. What testosterone has been prescribed? Be aware

> that exogenous testosterone will shut down your

> husband's own production and the exogenous

> testosterone may not be enough to bring him back to

> where he was. He may wind up with lower levels and

> feeling worse as a result of this prescription. This

> has happened to many of us.

>

>

> 3. Be nice to your husband. He is having to deal with

> a very tough issue. I know from experience.

>

> Jim

>

>

> --- wrote:

>

> > Hi y'all! New here!

> >

> > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > then, his health has

> > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > that this has

> > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > answers and it

> > appear that his

> > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > (range 6.5 -

> > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > with the children

> > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > longer the same

> > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > drive is literally

> > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > is low as well as

> > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > levels of a MUCH

> > older man.

> >

> > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > are going

> > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > He is way too

> > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > hormones

> > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > supplemental DHEA and it

> > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > even lower. She

> > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hard to say I just got done with the book Adrenal Fatigue the 21 first century

and in his book most that have Adrenal Fatigue or low Cortisol levels have low

DHEA-S. And some have Thyroid problems.

Phil

Jack <rockin813@...> wrote:

how does one get low DHEA?...other than normal aging? im 30yo and my DHEA is

175 ref range 80 - 560. tested 2x (1st time it was 183).

just curious.

philip georgian

wrote:

Liam Lef.had a chart and when I linked to it they changed it and the chart is

gone. But in the chart they said men any age need DHEA at 400

Phil

Liam

wrote:

Has anyone seen a normal ranges chart (by age) for DHEA. I'd like to see where

I'm supposed to fit at age 41. My DHEA is at the low end of normal 17 points

from the cliff. I have a lot of other related lows simular to Phil - low T, high

E2, borderline low T3 and T4, low phosphorus and calcium, and a few other odd

readings. Have a new doc appointment on the 29th, this will be number 6.

L

wrote:

HI JIm,

My doc wanted to just " try " the dhea to see if it would budge his

hormones because it is like a master hormone to all the other

hormones. Also, he needs it anyway since his dhea is 140 and the range

is 80-450 and he should be somewhere near the upper end of the range

at his age. He has the DHEA of an elderly man and of course with low

levels of DHEA, it opens a pandora's box to age related illness,

autoimmune disease and even cancer. He already has alopecia. It's a

bald spot that has grown from 1 quarter in size to about 6 in 5 months

(not a fun thing to have on top of all this hormonal crap). Anyway,

She thought it was worth a try because she seemed hesitant to start

him off with testosterone. The testosterone she prescribed is called

chrysin. It is totally bioidentical (same thing his body already

produces, nothing synthetic whatsoever).

As for being understanding, trust me, if it wasn't for me, he would

not be even getting help. I have been the one to research and do all

the appointment setting etc... I myself have an autoimmune disease -

hashimoto's - and hormonal problems too. I can TOTALLY empathize. I

have been dealing with undiagnosed hashi's since i was at least 15 and

finally got diagnosed almost 3 years ago. I just don't understand how

the both of us could be so unlucky. Now I need to worry about my children.

> Hi -

>

> Betaine, brad and Phil have already given you good

> advice and I would agree with all that they said. Let

> me just add -

>

> 1. I would be very concerned about your " hormone

> specialist " doc. To me, prescribing DHEA to correct

> low testosterone is voodoo medicine. If you do the

> research, you will find that, in males, DHEA can

> convert to either testosterone or estrogen. I don't

> know of any doctor who knows what they are doing who

> would prescribe DHEA to treat a testosterone

> deficiency. Which is not to say that the low DHEA

> should not be treated with a supplement.

>

> 2. What testosterone has been prescribed? Be aware

> that exogenous testosterone will shut down your

> husband's own production and the exogenous

> testosterone may not be enough to bring him back to

> where he was. He may wind up with lower levels and

> feeling worse as a result of this prescription. This

> has happened to many of us.

>

>

> 3. Be nice to your husband. He is having to deal with

> a very tough issue. I know from experience.

>

> Jim

>

>

> --- wrote:

>

> > Hi y'all! New here!

> >

> > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > then, his health has

> > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > that this has

> > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > answers and it

> > appear that his

> > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > (range 6.5 -

> > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > with the children

> > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > longer the same

> > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > drive is literally

> > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > is low as well as

> > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > levels of a MUCH

> > older man.

> >

> > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > are going

> > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > He is way too

> > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > hormones

> > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > supplemental DHEA and it

> > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > even lower. She

> > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

WHat are those free's? They just say free t (t3, t4 etc..). Thanks!

>

> Total T 321 (250-1100)

> % Free T 2.41 (1.1-2.8)

> Free T 77.3 (35.0-155.0)

> E2 36 (13-54) has been as high as 67

> DHEA 97.4 (80.0-560)

> TSH 1.1 (0.30-4.50) has been as low as .7

> TPO 5.4 (<30 Negative)

> T3/T4/T7/ all midline normal

> Calcium sometimes elevated

> Phosphorus usually low

>

> note: SHBG is very low and has been low since beginning. averages

around 8-9 (7-50) both on and off HRT.

>

> So a few questions for the group. (Phil has referenced a few of

these but everyone please chime in)

>

> 1. Low SHBG references a thyroid issue, yes/no?

> 2. low DHEA references bad adrenals, yes/no?

> 3. adrenals pull down the thyroid (TSH) but leaves T4/T3 normal

(compensating for something), yes/no? what?

> 4. would these tests point to a pituitary issue? (i think so but

the docs don't)

>

> sound off guys. next doc appointment is the 29th with doc #6

>

> L

>

> <d_timmsjosey@...> wrote:

> Dhea declines after 35, but 17 points from the edge is very very low

> for someone your age. If your free t's are borderline low, do you mean

> in the bottom of the range (ie. range is .8 - 1.9 and you are .8 or

> .9)? If so, this would indicate a need for possible thyroid hormones.

> Have you ever had your thyroid antibodies tested? What's your TSH. The

> New TSH range was narrowed down to .3 - 3.0, and anything over 2.0

> should be monitored very closely. WHere are you at. It is not at all

> uncommon for those with failing thyroids from thyroid disease to have

> low DHEA, hormonal issues etc...

>

>

> > Has anyone seen a normal ranges chart (by age) for DHEA. I'd like to

> see where I'm supposed to fit at age 41. My DHEA is at the low end of

> normal 17 points from the cliff. I have a lot of other related lows

> simular to Phil - low T, high E2, borderline low T3 and T4, low

> phosphorus and calcium, and a few other odd readings. Have a new doc

> appointment on the 29th, this will be number 6.

> >

> > L

> >

> > wrote:

> > HI JIm,

> >

> > My doc wanted to just " try " the dhea to see if it would budge his

> > hormones because it is like a master hormone to all the other

> > hormones. Also, he needs it anyway since his dhea is 140 and the range

> > is 80-450 and he should be somewhere near the upper end of the range

> > at his age. He has the DHEA of an elderly man and of course with low

> > levels of DHEA, it opens a pandora's box to age related illness,

> > autoimmune disease and even cancer. He already has alopecia. It's a

> > bald spot that has grown from 1 quarter in size to about 6 in 5 months

> > (not a fun thing to have on top of all this hormonal crap). Anyway,

> > She thought it was worth a try because she seemed hesitant to start

> > him off with testosterone. The testosterone she prescribed is called

> > chrysin. It is totally bioidentical (same thing his body already

> > produces, nothing synthetic whatsoever).

> >

> > As for being understanding, trust me, if it wasn't for me, he would

> > not be even getting help. I have been the one to research and do all

> > the appointment setting etc... I myself have an autoimmune disease -

> > hashimoto's - and hormonal problems too. I can TOTALLY empathize. I

> > have been dealing with undiagnosed hashi's since i was at least 15 and

> > finally got diagnosed almost 3 years ago. I just don't understand how

> > the both of us could be so unlucky. Now I need to worry about my

> children.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hi -

> > >

> > > Betaine, brad and Phil have already given you good

> > > advice and I would agree with all that they said. Let

> > > me just add -

> > >

> > > 1. I would be very concerned about your " hormone

> > > specialist " doc. To me, prescribing DHEA to correct

> > > low testosterone is voodoo medicine. If you do the

> > > research, you will find that, in males, DHEA can

> > > convert to either testosterone or estrogen. I don't

> > > know of any doctor who knows what they are doing who

> > > would prescribe DHEA to treat a testosterone

> > > deficiency. Which is not to say that the low DHEA

> > > should not be treated with a supplement.

> > >

> > > 2. What testosterone has been prescribed? Be aware

> > > that exogenous testosterone will shut down your

> > > husband's own production and the exogenous

> > > testosterone may not be enough to bring him back to

> > > where he was. He may wind up with lower levels and

> > > feeling worse as a result of this prescription. This

> > > has happened to many of us.

> > >

> > >

> > > 3. Be nice to your husband. He is having to deal with

> > > a very tough issue. I know from experience.

> > >

> > > Jim

> > >

> > >

> > > --- wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi y'all! New here!

> > > >

> > > > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > > > then, his health has

> > > > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > > > that this has

> > > > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > > > answers and it

> > > > appear that his

> > > > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > > > (range 6.5 -

> > > > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > > > with the children

> > > > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > > > longer the same

> > > > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > > > drive is literally

> > > > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > > > is low as well as

> > > > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > > > levels of a MUCH

> > > > older man.

> > > >

> > > > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > > > are going

> > > > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > > > He is way too

> > > > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > > > hormones

> > > > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > > > supplemental DHEA and it

> > > > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > > > even lower. She

> > > > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Stress, low levels of hormones like progesterone, autoimmune disease

like grave's, hashimoto's, lupus, diabetes, RA etc... It can be so

many factors.

My husband's is low too. He is currently supplementing, but 50mg/day

barely budges it.

> how does one get low DHEA?...other than normal aging? im 30yo and my

DHEA is 175 ref range 80 - 560. tested 2x (1st time it was 183).

>

> just curious.

>

> philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Liam Lef.had a chart and when I linked to it they changed

it and the chart is gone. But in the chart they said men any age need

DHEA at 400

> Phil

>

> Liam <patrolbase19@...> wrote:

> Has anyone seen a normal ranges chart (by age) for DHEA. I'd like to

see where I'm supposed to fit at age 41. My DHEA is at the low end of

normal 17 points from the cliff. I have a lot of other related lows

simular to Phil - low T, high E2, borderline low T3 and T4, low

phosphorus and calcium, and a few other odd readings. Have a new doc

appointment on the 29th, this will be number 6.

>

> L

>

> wrote:

> HI JIm,

>

> My doc wanted to just " try " the dhea to see if it would budge his

> hormones because it is like a master hormone to all the other

> hormones. Also, he needs it anyway since his dhea is 140 and the range

> is 80-450 and he should be somewhere near the upper end of the range

> at his age. He has the DHEA of an elderly man and of course with low

> levels of DHEA, it opens a pandora's box to age related illness,

> autoimmune disease and even cancer. He already has alopecia. It's a

> bald spot that has grown from 1 quarter in size to about 6 in 5 months

> (not a fun thing to have on top of all this hormonal crap). Anyway,

> She thought it was worth a try because she seemed hesitant to start

> him off with testosterone. The testosterone she prescribed is called

> chrysin. It is totally bioidentical (same thing his body already

> produces, nothing synthetic whatsoever).

>

> As for being understanding, trust me, if it wasn't for me, he would

> not be even getting help. I have been the one to research and do all

> the appointment setting etc... I myself have an autoimmune disease -

> hashimoto's - and hormonal problems too. I can TOTALLY empathize. I

> have been dealing with undiagnosed hashi's since i was at least 15 and

> finally got diagnosed almost 3 years ago. I just don't understand how

> the both of us could be so unlucky. Now I need to worry about my

children.

>

>

>

> > Hi -

> >

> > Betaine, brad and Phil have already given you good

> > advice and I would agree with all that they said. Let

> > me just add -

> >

> > 1. I would be very concerned about your " hormone

> > specialist " doc. To me, prescribing DHEA to correct

> > low testosterone is voodoo medicine. If you do the

> > research, you will find that, in males, DHEA can

> > convert to either testosterone or estrogen. I don't

> > know of any doctor who knows what they are doing who

> > would prescribe DHEA to treat a testosterone

> > deficiency. Which is not to say that the low DHEA

> > should not be treated with a supplement.

> >

> > 2. What testosterone has been prescribed? Be aware

> > that exogenous testosterone will shut down your

> > husband's own production and the exogenous

> > testosterone may not be enough to bring him back to

> > where he was. He may wind up with lower levels and

> > feeling worse as a result of this prescription. This

> > has happened to many of us.

> >

> >

> > 3. Be nice to your husband. He is having to deal with

> > a very tough issue. I know from experience.

> >

> > Jim

> >

> >

> > --- wrote:

> >

> > > Hi y'all! New here!

> > >

> > > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > > then, his health has

> > > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > > that this has

> > > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > > answers and it

> > > appear that his

> > > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > > (range 6.5 -

> > > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > > with the children

> > > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > > longer the same

> > > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > > drive is literally

> > > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > > is low as well as

> > > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > > levels of a MUCH

> > > older man.

> > >

> > > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > > are going

> > > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > > He is way too

> > > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > > hormones

> > > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > > supplemental DHEA and it

> > > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > > even lower. She

> > > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Thyroid disease and some level or cortisol malfunction almost always

run hand in hand simply because people are missed and the body works

so hard for so long trying to keep up. The adrenals try to give the

body a boost when the thyroid is failing, and eventually they drain

out (become fatigued). If doctor's would just get educated with

thyroid disease, they would realize that the lab ranges are far too

broad and actually include a lot of thyroid sick people.

> Hard to say I just got done with the book Adrenal Fatigue the 21

first century and in his book most that have Adrenal Fatigue or low

Cortisol levels have low DHEA-S. And some have Thyroid problems.

> Phil

>

> Jack <rockin813@...> wrote:

> how does one get low DHEA?...other than normal aging? im 30yo and

my DHEA is 175 ref range 80 - 560. tested 2x (1st time it was 183).

>

> just curious.

>

> philip georgian

> wrote:

> Liam Lef.had a chart and when I linked to it they changed it and the

chart is gone. But in the chart they said men any age need DHEA at 400

> Phil

>

> Liam

> wrote:

> Has anyone seen a normal ranges chart (by age) for DHEA. I'd like to

see where I'm supposed to fit at age 41. My DHEA is at the low end of

normal 17 points from the cliff. I have a lot of other related lows

simular to Phil - low T, high E2, borderline low T3 and T4, low

phosphorus and calcium, and a few other odd readings. Have a new doc

appointment on the 29th, this will be number 6.

>

> L

>

> wrote:

> HI JIm,

>

> My doc wanted to just " try " the dhea to see if it would budge his

> hormones because it is like a master hormone to all the other

> hormones. Also, he needs it anyway since his dhea is 140 and the range

> is 80-450 and he should be somewhere near the upper end of the range

> at his age. He has the DHEA of an elderly man and of course with low

> levels of DHEA, it opens a pandora's box to age related illness,

> autoimmune disease and even cancer. He already has alopecia. It's a

> bald spot that has grown from 1 quarter in size to about 6 in 5 months

> (not a fun thing to have on top of all this hormonal crap). Anyway,

> She thought it was worth a try because she seemed hesitant to start

> him off with testosterone. The testosterone she prescribed is called

> chrysin. It is totally bioidentical (same thing his body already

> produces, nothing synthetic whatsoever).

>

> As for being understanding, trust me, if it wasn't for me, he would

> not be even getting help. I have been the one to research and do all

> the appointment setting etc... I myself have an autoimmune disease -

> hashimoto's - and hormonal problems too. I can TOTALLY empathize. I

> have been dealing with undiagnosed hashi's since i was at least 15 and

> finally got diagnosed almost 3 years ago. I just don't understand how

> the both of us could be so unlucky. Now I need to worry about my

children.

>

>

>

> > Hi -

> >

> > Betaine, brad and Phil have already given you good

> > advice and I would agree with all that they said. Let

> > me just add -

> >

> > 1. I would be very concerned about your " hormone

> > specialist " doc. To me, prescribing DHEA to correct

> > low testosterone is voodoo medicine. If you do the

> > research, you will find that, in males, DHEA can

> > convert to either testosterone or estrogen. I don't

> > know of any doctor who knows what they are doing who

> > would prescribe DHEA to treat a testosterone

> > deficiency. Which is not to say that the low DHEA

> > should not be treated with a supplement.

> >

> > 2. What testosterone has been prescribed? Be aware

> > that exogenous testosterone will shut down your

> > husband's own production and the exogenous

> > testosterone may not be enough to bring him back to

> > where he was. He may wind up with lower levels and

> > feeling worse as a result of this prescription. This

> > has happened to many of us.

> >

> >

> > 3. Be nice to your husband. He is having to deal with

> > a very tough issue. I know from experience.

> >

> > Jim

> >

> >

> > --- wrote:

> >

> > > Hi y'all! New here!

> > >

> > > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > > then, his health has

> > > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > > that this has

> > > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > > answers and it

> > > appear that his

> > > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > > (range 6.5 -

> > > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > > with the children

> > > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > > longer the same

> > > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > > drive is literally

> > > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > > is low as well as

> > > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > > levels of a MUCH

> > > older man.

> > >

> > > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > > are going

> > > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > > He is way too

> > > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > > hormones

> > > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > > supplemental DHEA and it

> > > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > > even lower. She

> > > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply I am doing Isocort to help bring up my Cortisol

levels they are dam low. I will be doing a test next week and will redo the

tests to see if my Thyroid dose better if not then I am going to press my Dr. on

this more. I need to find a study that will show him he is wrong. If not I am

going to see Dr. here in MI. He is one of the best on all of this stuff.

Problem is he is not on my Dr.'s list for BCBS but his cost is not that bad and

it's the drive like 4 hrs round trip. By the way I am 62.

My wife is seeing a good Dr. for her Thyroid and he just put her on Fish Oil

and DHEA. Her test showed her lower then the bottom of the range. She is doing

25mgs 2x's a day now she is feeling the best she ever felt.

One more question what is the normal dose of Armour I have read that anything

under 3 grains is not a normal dose and it could mean low cortisol or Iron

problems. I ask this because my wife can take more then 115 mgs. or she feels

hipper yet her Dr. says she has Adrenal Fatigue. And will not give her HC to

help her Adrenals. I got most of this stuff from this site.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

Phil

<d_timmsjosey@...> wrote:

I would say PHIL without a doubt, that you could add in some Armour to

your regime. If you are worried about a doc not treating you (and

remember the TSH range is .3 - 3.0) which is not uncommon, they are

really clueless about thyroid, you can always order overseas (I am

sure yourwife knows all about this though). I would give my husband

Armour with those levels. A small (perhaps 1 grain) amount may be all

you need.

P.S. that free t3 range is really low. Is that because of your age???

My free t4 was 5.2 (over the standrard range), but many other labs

have a higher top end (6.2) and my doc likes to see mine between 5 and 6.

> Hi my last Thyroid test my Dr. told me is fine but he is

going by the TSH only here is what my test was.

>

> TSH is 2.939 range is 0.4 to 4.7 uIU/mL

> Free T3 was 2.32 range 1.5 to 3.5 pg/mL

> Free T4 was 0.91 range 0.71 to 2.23 ng/dL

>

> Phil

> wrote:

> Dhea declines after 35, but 17 points from the edge is very very low

> for someone your age. If your free t's are borderline low, do you mean

> in the bottom of the range (ie. range is .8 - 1.9 and you are .8 or

> .9)? If so, this would indicate a need for possible thyroid hormones.

> Have you ever had your thyroid antibodies tested? What's your TSH. The

> New TSH range was narrowed down to .3 - 3.0, and anything over 2.0

> should be monitored very closely. WHere are you at. It is not at all

> uncommon for those with failing thyroids from thyroid disease to have

> low DHEA, hormonal issues etc...

>

>

> > Has anyone seen a normal ranges chart (by age) for DHEA. I'd like to

> see where I'm supposed to fit at age 41. My DHEA is at the low end of

> normal 17 points from the cliff. I have a lot of other related lows

> simular to Phil - low T, high E2, borderline low T3 and T4, low

> phosphorus and calcium, and a few other odd readings. Have a new doc

> appointment on the 29th, this will be number 6.

> >

> > L

> >

> > wrote:

> > HI JIm,

> >

> > My doc wanted to just " try " the dhea to see if it would budge his

> > hormones because it is like a master hormone to all the other

> > hormones. Also, he needs it anyway since his dhea is 140 and the range

> > is 80-450 and he should be somewhere near the upper end of the range

> > at his age. He has the DHEA of an elderly man and of course with low

> > levels of DHEA, it opens a pandora's box to age related illness,

> > autoimmune disease and even cancer. He already has alopecia. It's a

> > bald spot that has grown from 1 quarter in size to about 6 in 5 months

> > (not a fun thing to have on top of all this hormonal crap). Anyway,

> > She thought it was worth a try because she seemed hesitant to start

> > him off with testosterone. The testosterone she prescribed is called

> > chrysin. It is totally bioidentical (same thing his body already

> > produces, nothing synthetic whatsoever).

> >

> > As for being understanding, trust me, if it wasn't for me, he would

> > not be even getting help. I have been the one to research and do all

> > the appointment setting etc... I myself have an autoimmune disease -

> > hashimoto's - and hormonal problems too. I can TOTALLY empathize. I

> > have been dealing with undiagnosed hashi's since i was at least 15 and

> > finally got diagnosed almost 3 years ago. I just don't understand how

> > the both of us could be so unlucky. Now I need to worry about my

> children.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hi -

> > >

> > > Betaine, brad and Phil have already given you good

> > > advice and I would agree with all that they said. Let

> > > me just add -

> > >

> > > 1. I would be very concerned about your " hormone

> > > specialist " doc. To me, prescribing DHEA to correct

> > > low testosterone is voodoo medicine. If you do the

> > > research, you will find that, in males, DHEA can

> > > convert to either testosterone or estrogen. I don't

> > > know of any doctor who knows what they are doing who

> > > would prescribe DHEA to treat a testosterone

> > > deficiency. Which is not to say that the low DHEA

> > > should not be treated with a supplement.

> > >

> > > 2. What testosterone has been prescribed? Be aware

> > > that exogenous testosterone will shut down your

> > > husband's own production and the exogenous

> > > testosterone may not be enough to bring him back to

> > > where he was. He may wind up with lower levels and

> > > feeling worse as a result of this prescription. This

> > > has happened to many of us.

> > >

> > >

> > > 3. Be nice to your husband. He is having to deal with

> > > a very tough issue. I know from experience.

> > >

> > > Jim

> > >

> > >

> > > --- wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi y'all! New here!

> > > >

> > > > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > > > then, his health has

> > > > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > > > that this has

> > > > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > > > answers and it

> > > > appear that his

> > > > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > > > (range 6.5 -

> > > > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > > > with the children

> > > > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > > > longer the same

> > > > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > > > drive is literally

> > > > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > > > is low as well as

> > > > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > > > levels of a MUCH

> > > > older man.

> > > >

> > > > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > > > are going

> > > > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > > > He is way too

> > > > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > > > hormones

> > > > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > > > supplemental DHEA and it

> > > > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > > > even lower. She

> > > > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

personally I'm getting two different stories on why I have low DHEA.

1. Adrenal insufficiency which is tied into the whole endo thing. Some docs

subscribe to this, some do not. The test results don't lie but treatment

regimens vary. I'm getting the impression that the pituitary brings down the

adrenals (DHEA/Cortisol) which brings down the thyroid (FT3/FT4) that brings

down testosterone. It's not enough to warrant Cushings but all tests fall into

the low normal. Just enough to make you feel like poopy kaka all the time. How

all of this fits together is beyond me but I'm still reading.

2. Stress/depression brings down the DHEA/Corisol which brings down

testostone. Treatment is with antidepressants and toughing it out. I personally

don't subscribe to this theory since it requires treating symtoms with the wrong

meds based on a subjective diagnosis.(Ask Phil about this and he'll hit the roof

and for good reason.)

L

Jack <rockin813@...> wrote:

how does one get low DHEA?...other than normal aging? im 30yo and my DHEA is

175 ref range 80 - 560. tested 2x (1st time it was 183).

just curious.

philip georgian

wrote:

Liam Lef.had a chart and when I linked to it they changed it and the chart is

gone. But in the chart they said men any age need DHEA at 400

Phil

Liam

wrote:

Has anyone seen a normal ranges chart (by age) for DHEA. I'd like to see where

I'm supposed to fit at age 41. My DHEA is at the low end of normal 17 points

from the cliff. I have a lot of other related lows simular to Phil - low T, high

E2, borderline low T3 and T4, low phosphorus and calcium, and a few other odd

readings. Have a new doc appointment on the 29th, this will be number 6.

L

wrote:

HI JIm,

My doc wanted to just " try " the dhea to see if it would budge his

hormones because it is like a master hormone to all the other

hormones. Also, he needs it anyway since his dhea is 140 and the range

is 80-450 and he should be somewhere near the upper end of the range

at his age. He has the DHEA of an elderly man and of course with low

levels of DHEA, it opens a pandora's box to age related illness,

autoimmune disease and even cancer. He already has alopecia. It's a

bald spot that has grown from 1 quarter in size to about 6 in 5 months

(not a fun thing to have on top of all this hormonal crap). Anyway,

She thought it was worth a try because she seemed hesitant to start

him off with testosterone. The testosterone she prescribed is called

chrysin. It is totally bioidentical (same thing his body already

produces, nothing synthetic whatsoever).

As for being understanding, trust me, if it wasn't for me, he would

not be even getting help. I have been the one to research and do all

the appointment setting etc... I myself have an autoimmune disease -

hashimoto's - and hormonal problems too. I can TOTALLY empathize. I

have been dealing with undiagnosed hashi's since i was at least 15 and

finally got diagnosed almost 3 years ago. I just don't understand how

the both of us could be so unlucky. Now I need to worry about my children.

> Hi -

>

> Betaine, brad and Phil have already given you good

> advice and I would agree with all that they said. Let

> me just add -

>

> 1. I would be very concerned about your " hormone

> specialist " doc. To me, prescribing DHEA to correct

> low testosterone is voodoo medicine. If you do the

> research, you will find that, in males, DHEA can

> convert to either testosterone or estrogen. I don't

> know of any doctor who knows what they are doing who

> would prescribe DHEA to treat a testosterone

> deficiency. Which is not to say that the low DHEA

> should not be treated with a supplement.

>

> 2. What testosterone has been prescribed? Be aware

> that exogenous testosterone will shut down your

> husband's own production and the exogenous

> testosterone may not be enough to bring him back to

> where he was. He may wind up with lower levels and

> feeling worse as a result of this prescription. This

> has happened to many of us.

>

>

> 3. Be nice to your husband. He is having to deal with

> a very tough issue. I know from experience.

>

> Jim

>

>

> --- wrote:

>

> > Hi y'all! New here!

> >

> > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > then, his health has

> > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > that this has

> > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > answers and it

> > appear that his

> > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > (range 6.5 -

> > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > with the children

> > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > longer the same

> > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > drive is literally

> > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > is low as well as

> > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > levels of a MUCH

> > older man.

> >

> > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > are going

> > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > He is way too

> > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > hormones

> > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > supplemental DHEA and it

> > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > even lower. She

> > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

oh..thanks. i had my progesterone checked twice...0.4 and 0.5 ref range 0.3 -

1.2

i guess that make sense why my DHEA-S is low.

<d_timmsjosey@...> wrote:

Stress, low levels of hormones like progesterone, autoimmune disease

like grave's, hashimoto's, lupus, diabetes, RA etc... It can be so

many factors.

My husband's is low too. He is currently supplementing, but 50mg/day

barely budges it.

> how does one get low DHEA?...other than normal aging? im 30yo and my

DHEA is 175 ref range 80 - 560. tested 2x (1st time it was 183).

>

> just curious.

>

> philip georgian <pmgamer18@...> wrote:

> Liam Lef.had a chart and when I linked to it they changed

it and the chart is gone. But in the chart they said men any age need

DHEA at 400

> Phil

>

> Liam <patrolbase19@...> wrote:

> Has anyone seen a normal ranges chart (by age) for DHEA. I'd like to

see where I'm supposed to fit at age 41. My DHEA is at the low end of

normal 17 points from the cliff. I have a lot of other related lows

simular to Phil - low T, high E2, borderline low T3 and T4, low

phosphorus and calcium, and a few other odd readings. Have a new doc

appointment on the 29th, this will be number 6.

>

> L

>

> wrote:

> HI JIm,

>

> My doc wanted to just " try " the dhea to see if it would budge his

> hormones because it is like a master hormone to all the other

> hormones. Also, he needs it anyway since his dhea is 140 and the range

> is 80-450 and he should be somewhere near the upper end of the range

> at his age. He has the DHEA of an elderly man and of course with low

> levels of DHEA, it opens a pandora's box to age related illness,

> autoimmune disease and even cancer. He already has alopecia. It's a

> bald spot that has grown from 1 quarter in size to about 6 in 5 months

> (not a fun thing to have on top of all this hormonal crap). Anyway,

> She thought it was worth a try because she seemed hesitant to start

> him off with testosterone. The testosterone she prescribed is called

> chrysin. It is totally bioidentical (same thing his body already

> produces, nothing synthetic whatsoever).

>

> As for being understanding, trust me, if it wasn't for me, he would

> not be even getting help. I have been the one to research and do all

> the appointment setting etc... I myself have an autoimmune disease -

> hashimoto's - and hormonal problems too. I can TOTALLY empathize. I

> have been dealing with undiagnosed hashi's since i was at least 15 and

> finally got diagnosed almost 3 years ago. I just don't understand how

> the both of us could be so unlucky. Now I need to worry about my

children.

>

>

>

> > Hi -

> >

> > Betaine, brad and Phil have already given you good

> > advice and I would agree with all that they said. Let

> > me just add -

> >

> > 1. I would be very concerned about your " hormone

> > specialist " doc. To me, prescribing DHEA to correct

> > low testosterone is voodoo medicine. If you do the

> > research, you will find that, in males, DHEA can

> > convert to either testosterone or estrogen. I don't

> > know of any doctor who knows what they are doing who

> > would prescribe DHEA to treat a testosterone

> > deficiency. Which is not to say that the low DHEA

> > should not be treated with a supplement.

> >

> > 2. What testosterone has been prescribed? Be aware

> > that exogenous testosterone will shut down your

> > husband's own production and the exogenous

> > testosterone may not be enough to bring him back to

> > where he was. He may wind up with lower levels and

> > feeling worse as a result of this prescription. This

> > has happened to many of us.

> >

> >

> > 3. Be nice to your husband. He is having to deal with

> > a very tough issue. I know from experience.

> >

> > Jim

> >

> >

> > --- wrote:

> >

> > > Hi y'all! New here!

> > >

> > > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > > then, his health has

> > > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > > that this has

> > > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > > answers and it

> > > appear that his

> > > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > > (range 6.5 -

> > > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > > with the children

> > > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > > longer the same

> > > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > > drive is literally

> > > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > > is low as well as

> > > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > > levels of a MUCH

> > > older man.

> > >

> > > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > > are going

> > > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > > He is way too

> > > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > > hormones

> > > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > > supplemental DHEA and it

> > > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > > even lower. She

> > > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

I have done lots of research and the standard dose of thyroid

medication is 3+ grains (a full replacement dose): however, there are

instances when a patient does not need a dose that high (my mom is 57

and she has been taking 1/2 grain for over 2 years). With people over

50 (roughly), thyroid function decreases from aging. This is usually

not from autoimmune disease like hashi's (although some do develop

hashi's in later life too - after menopause, or maybe it's FINALLY

gets discovered), but an aged thyroid that just needs a boost. This is

not to say Phil, that you may not need MORE than a grain or two, you

just might.

Yes, adrenal fatigue causes the thyroid hormone to quickly build in

the blood and causes hyperness, you are right. Yes, low iron stores

(ferritin) can create the same scenario. Your wife, and it sounds like

you too, should be on physiological doses of bioidentical HC to bring

the adrenals back up (support them) and then over time gradually wean

down (some people with severe adrenal issues may never be able to go

without HC, but that is worst case scenario).

Phil, isocort is a good start, but will not do the trick if you have

bad adrenals. You can always order HC overseas if worse comes to

worse, but I would look for a wellness doctor who is well versed in

thyroid and cortisol. Where do you live?

If your wife is mildly depeleted, she can take rhodeola rosea,

licorice root if her blood pressure is not elevated, a good and

b-complex (and she can take 4 times the dose), go to bed by 10pm, rest

and do visualization techniques etc.. to give the adrenals a rest.

ALso, natural sea salt is an alternative if you can chock a full glass

mixed in the morning (I tried it and it is hard to do lol).

P.S. SOmetimes adrenals come up along with thyroid replacement (dr.

Derry talks about this), but it is not typically the norm from

all the ladies and men on the boards.

> Thanks for the reply I am doing Isocort to help bring up my

Cortisol levels they are dam low. I will be doing a test next week

and will redo the tests to see if my Thyroid dose better if not then I

am going to press my Dr. on this more. I need to find a study that

will show him he is wrong. If not I am going to see Dr. here in

MI. He is one of the best on all of this stuff. Problem is he is not

on my Dr.'s list for BCBS but his cost is not that bad and it's the

drive like 4 hrs round trip. By the way I am 62.

>

> My wife is seeing a good Dr. for her Thyroid and he just put her

on Fish Oil and DHEA. Her test showed her lower then the bottom of

the range. She is doing 25mgs 2x's a day now she is feeling the best

she ever felt.

>

> One more question what is the normal dose of Armour I have read

that anything under 3 grains is not a normal dose and it could mean

low cortisol or Iron problems. I ask this because my wife can take

more then 115 mgs. or she feels hipper yet her Dr. says she has

Adrenal Fatigue. And will not give her HC to help her Adrenals. I

got most of this stuff from this site.

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> Phil

>

> <d_timmsjosey@...> wrote:

> I would say PHIL without a doubt, that you could add in some Armour to

> your regime. If you are worried about a doc not treating you (and

> remember the TSH range is .3 - 3.0) which is not uncommon, they are

> really clueless about thyroid, you can always order overseas (I am

> sure yourwife knows all about this though). I would give my husband

> Armour with those levels. A small (perhaps 1 grain) amount may be all

> you need.

>

>

> P.S. that free t3 range is really low. Is that because of your age???

> My free t4 was 5.2 (over the standrard range), but many other labs

> have a higher top end (6.2) and my doc likes to see mine between 5

and 6.

>

> > Hi my last Thyroid test my Dr. told me is fine but he is

> going by the TSH only here is what my test was.

> >

> > TSH is 2.939 range is 0.4 to 4.7 uIU/mL

> > Free T3 was 2.32 range 1.5 to 3.5 pg/mL

> > Free T4 was 0.91 range 0.71 to 2.23 ng/dL

> >

> > Phil

> > wrote:

> > Dhea declines after 35, but 17 points from the edge is very very low

> > for someone your age. If your free t's are borderline low, do you mean

> > in the bottom of the range (ie. range is .8 - 1.9 and you are .8 or

> > .9)? If so, this would indicate a need for possible thyroid hormones.

> > Have you ever had your thyroid antibodies tested? What's your TSH. The

> > New TSH range was narrowed down to .3 - 3.0, and anything over 2.0

> > should be monitored very closely. WHere are you at. It is not at all

> > uncommon for those with failing thyroids from thyroid disease to have

> > low DHEA, hormonal issues etc...

> >

> >

> > > Has anyone seen a normal ranges chart (by age) for DHEA. I'd like to

> > see where I'm supposed to fit at age 41. My DHEA is at the low end of

> > normal 17 points from the cliff. I have a lot of other related lows

> > simular to Phil - low T, high E2, borderline low T3 and T4, low

> > phosphorus and calcium, and a few other odd readings. Have a new doc

> > appointment on the 29th, this will be number 6.

> > >

> > > L

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > HI JIm,

> > >

> > > My doc wanted to just " try " the dhea to see if it would budge his

> > > hormones because it is like a master hormone to all the other

> > > hormones. Also, he needs it anyway since his dhea is 140 and the

range

> > > is 80-450 and he should be somewhere near the upper end of the range

> > > at his age. He has the DHEA of an elderly man and of course with low

> > > levels of DHEA, it opens a pandora's box to age related illness,

> > > autoimmune disease and even cancer. He already has alopecia. It's a

> > > bald spot that has grown from 1 quarter in size to about 6 in 5

months

> > > (not a fun thing to have on top of all this hormonal crap). Anyway,

> > > She thought it was worth a try because she seemed hesitant to start

> > > him off with testosterone. The testosterone she prescribed is called

> > > chrysin. It is totally bioidentical (same thing his body already

> > > produces, nothing synthetic whatsoever).

> > >

> > > As for being understanding, trust me, if it wasn't for me, he would

> > > not be even getting help. I have been the one to research and do all

> > > the appointment setting etc... I myself have an autoimmune disease -

> > > hashimoto's - and hormonal problems too. I can TOTALLY empathize. I

> > > have been dealing with undiagnosed hashi's since i was at least

15 and

> > > finally got diagnosed almost 3 years ago. I just don't

understand how

> > > the both of us could be so unlucky. Now I need to worry about my

> > children.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Hi -

> > > >

> > > > Betaine, brad and Phil have already given you good

> > > > advice and I would agree with all that they said. Let

> > > > me just add -

> > > >

> > > > 1. I would be very concerned about your " hormone

> > > > specialist " doc. To me, prescribing DHEA to correct

> > > > low testosterone is voodoo medicine. If you do the

> > > > research, you will find that, in males, DHEA can

> > > > convert to either testosterone or estrogen. I don't

> > > > know of any doctor who knows what they are doing who

> > > > would prescribe DHEA to treat a testosterone

> > > > deficiency. Which is not to say that the low DHEA

> > > > should not be treated with a supplement.

> > > >

> > > > 2. What testosterone has been prescribed? Be aware

> > > > that exogenous testosterone will shut down your

> > > > husband's own production and the exogenous

> > > > testosterone may not be enough to bring him back to

> > > > where he was. He may wind up with lower levels and

> > > > feeling worse as a result of this prescription. This

> > > > has happened to many of us.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 3. Be nice to your husband. He is having to deal with

> > > > a very tough issue. I know from experience.

> > > >

> > > > Jim

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Hi y'all! New here!

> > > > >

> > > > > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > > > > then, his health has

> > > > > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > > > > that this has

> > > > > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > > > > answers and it

> > > > > appear that his

> > > > > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > > > > (range 6.5 -

> > > > > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > > > > with the children

> > > > > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > > > > longer the same

> > > > > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > > > > drive is literally

> > > > > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > > > > is low as well as

> > > > > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > > > > levels of a MUCH

> > > > > older man.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > > > > are going

> > > > > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > > > > He is way too

> > > > > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > > > > hormones

> > > > > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > > > > supplemental DHEA and it

> > > > > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > > > > even lower. She

> > > > > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > __________________________________________________

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes, I forgot to add that in my answer too, but DHEA supplementation

alone will usually not bring up the adrenals alone, but in combo with

say progesterone, it can bring about significant improvement there. I

am not sure about men though. I am just learning about you intricate

guys now since the hubby is having issues.

> personally I'm getting two different stories on why I have low DHEA.

>

> 1. Adrenal insufficiency which is tied into the whole endo thing.

Some docs subscribe to this, some do not. The test results don't lie

but treatment regimens vary. I'm getting the impression that the

pituitary brings down the adrenals (DHEA/Cortisol) which brings down

the thyroid (FT3/FT4) that brings down testosterone. It's not enough

to warrant Cushings but all tests fall into the low normal. Just

enough to make you feel like poopy kaka all the time. How all of this

fits together is beyond me but I'm still reading.

>

> 2. Stress/depression brings down the DHEA/Corisol which brings

down testostone. Treatment is with antidepressants and toughing it

out. I personally don't subscribe to this theory since it requires

treating symtoms with the wrong meds based on a subjective

diagnosis.(Ask Phil about this and he'll hit the roof and for good

reason.)

>

> L

>

>

>

> Jack <rockin813@...> wrote:

> how does one get low DHEA?...other than normal aging? im 30yo and

my DHEA is 175 ref range 80 - 560. tested 2x (1st time it was 183).

>

> just curious.

>

> philip georgian

> wrote:

> Liam Lef.had a chart and when I linked to it they changed it and the

chart is gone. But in the chart they said men any age need DHEA at 400

> Phil

>

> Liam

> wrote:

> Has anyone seen a normal ranges chart (by age) for DHEA. I'd like to

see where I'm supposed to fit at age 41. My DHEA is at the low end of

normal 17 points from the cliff. I have a lot of other related lows

simular to Phil - low T, high E2, borderline low T3 and T4, low

phosphorus and calcium, and a few other odd readings. Have a new doc

appointment on the 29th, this will be number 6.

>

> L

>

> wrote:

> HI JIm,

>

> My doc wanted to just " try " the dhea to see if it would budge his

> hormones because it is like a master hormone to all the other

> hormones. Also, he needs it anyway since his dhea is 140 and the range

> is 80-450 and he should be somewhere near the upper end of the range

> at his age. He has the DHEA of an elderly man and of course with low

> levels of DHEA, it opens a pandora's box to age related illness,

> autoimmune disease and even cancer. He already has alopecia. It's a

> bald spot that has grown from 1 quarter in size to about 6 in 5 months

> (not a fun thing to have on top of all this hormonal crap). Anyway,

> She thought it was worth a try because she seemed hesitant to start

> him off with testosterone. The testosterone she prescribed is called

> chrysin. It is totally bioidentical (same thing his body already

> produces, nothing synthetic whatsoever).

>

> As for being understanding, trust me, if it wasn't for me, he would

> not be even getting help. I have been the one to research and do all

> the appointment setting etc... I myself have an autoimmune disease -

> hashimoto's - and hormonal problems too. I can TOTALLY empathize. I

> have been dealing with undiagnosed hashi's since i was at least 15 and

> finally got diagnosed almost 3 years ago. I just don't understand how

> the both of us could be so unlucky. Now I need to worry about my

children.

>

>

>

> > Hi -

> >

> > Betaine, brad and Phil have already given you good

> > advice and I would agree with all that they said. Let

> > me just add -

> >

> > 1. I would be very concerned about your " hormone

> > specialist " doc. To me, prescribing DHEA to correct

> > low testosterone is voodoo medicine. If you do the

> > research, you will find that, in males, DHEA can

> > convert to either testosterone or estrogen. I don't

> > know of any doctor who knows what they are doing who

> > would prescribe DHEA to treat a testosterone

> > deficiency. Which is not to say that the low DHEA

> > should not be treated with a supplement.

> >

> > 2. What testosterone has been prescribed? Be aware

> > that exogenous testosterone will shut down your

> > husband's own production and the exogenous

> > testosterone may not be enough to bring him back to

> > where he was. He may wind up with lower levels and

> > feeling worse as a result of this prescription. This

> > has happened to many of us.

> >

> >

> > 3. Be nice to your husband. He is having to deal with

> > a very tough issue. I know from experience.

> >

> > Jim

> >

> >

> > --- wrote:

> >

> > > Hi y'all! New here!

> > >

> > > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > > then, his health has

> > > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > > that this has

> > > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > > answers and it

> > > appear that his

> > > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > > (range 6.5 -

> > > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > > with the children

> > > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > > longer the same

> > > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > > drive is literally

> > > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > > is low as well as

> > > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > > levels of a MUCH

> > > older man.

> > >

> > > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > > are going

> > > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > > He is way too

> > > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > > hormones

> > > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > > supplemental DHEA and it

> > > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > > even lower. She

> > > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

The free is just free testosterone. I tried to get my endo to do free T3 and T4

and he blew me off. " I'm the doc and you're the patient. "

L

<d_timmsjosey@...> wrote:

WHat are those free's? They just say free t (t3, t4 etc..). Thanks!

>

> Total T 321 (250-1100)

> % Free T 2.41 (1.1-2.8)

> Free T 77.3 (35.0-155.0)

> E2 36 (13-54) has been as high as 67

> DHEA 97.4 (80.0-560)

> TSH 1.1 (0.30-4.50) has been as low as .7

> TPO 5.4 (<30 Negative)

> T3/T4/T7/ all midline normal

> Calcium sometimes elevated

> Phosphorus usually low

>

> note: SHBG is very low and has been low since beginning. averages

around 8-9 (7-50) both on and off HRT.

>

> So a few questions for the group. (Phil has referenced a few of

these but everyone please chime in)

>

> 1. Low SHBG references a thyroid issue, yes/no?

> 2. low DHEA references bad adrenals, yes/no?

> 3. adrenals pull down the thyroid (TSH) but leaves T4/T3 normal

(compensating for something), yes/no? what?

> 4. would these tests point to a pituitary issue? (i think so but

the docs don't)

>

> sound off guys. next doc appointment is the 29th with doc #6

>

> L

>

> wrote:

> Dhea declines after 35, but 17 points from the edge is very very low

> for someone your age. If your free t's are borderline low, do you mean

> in the bottom of the range (ie. range is .8 - 1.9 and you are .8 or

> .9)? If so, this would indicate a need for possible thyroid hormones.

> Have you ever had your thyroid antibodies tested? What's your TSH. The

> New TSH range was narrowed down to .3 - 3.0, and anything over 2.0

> should be monitored very closely. WHere are you at. It is not at all

> uncommon for those with failing thyroids from thyroid disease to have

> low DHEA, hormonal issues etc...

>

>

> > Has anyone seen a normal ranges chart (by age) for DHEA. I'd like to

> see where I'm supposed to fit at age 41. My DHEA is at the low end of

> normal 17 points from the cliff. I have a lot of other related lows

> simular to Phil - low T, high E2, borderline low T3 and T4, low

> phosphorus and calcium, and a few other odd readings. Have a new doc

> appointment on the 29th, this will be number 6.

> >

> > L

> >

> > wrote:

> > HI JIm,

> >

> > My doc wanted to just " try " the dhea to see if it would budge his

> > hormones because it is like a master hormone to all the other

> > hormones. Also, he needs it anyway since his dhea is 140 and the range

> > is 80-450 and he should be somewhere near the upper end of the range

> > at his age. He has the DHEA of an elderly man and of course with low

> > levels of DHEA, it opens a pandora's box to age related illness,

> > autoimmune disease and even cancer. He already has alopecia. It's a

> > bald spot that has grown from 1 quarter in size to about 6 in 5 months

> > (not a fun thing to have on top of all this hormonal crap). Anyway,

> > She thought it was worth a try because she seemed hesitant to start

> > him off with testosterone. The testosterone she prescribed is called

> > chrysin. It is totally bioidentical (same thing his body already

> > produces, nothing synthetic whatsoever).

> >

> > As for being understanding, trust me, if it wasn't for me, he would

> > not be even getting help. I have been the one to research and do all

> > the appointment setting etc... I myself have an autoimmune disease -

> > hashimoto's - and hormonal problems too. I can TOTALLY empathize. I

> > have been dealing with undiagnosed hashi's since i was at least 15 and

> > finally got diagnosed almost 3 years ago. I just don't understand how

> > the both of us could be so unlucky. Now I need to worry about my

> children.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > Hi -

> > >

> > > Betaine, brad and Phil have already given you good

> > > advice and I would agree with all that they said. Let

> > > me just add -

> > >

> > > 1. I would be very concerned about your " hormone

> > > specialist " doc. To me, prescribing DHEA to correct

> > > low testosterone is voodoo medicine. If you do the

> > > research, you will find that, in males, DHEA can

> > > convert to either testosterone or estrogen. I don't

> > > know of any doctor who knows what they are doing who

> > > would prescribe DHEA to treat a testosterone

> > > deficiency. Which is not to say that the low DHEA

> > > should not be treated with a supplement.

> > >

> > > 2. What testosterone has been prescribed? Be aware

> > > that exogenous testosterone will shut down your

> > > husband's own production and the exogenous

> > > testosterone may not be enough to bring him back to

> > > where he was. He may wind up with lower levels and

> > > feeling worse as a result of this prescription. This

> > > has happened to many of us.

> > >

> > >

> > > 3. Be nice to your husband. He is having to deal with

> > > a very tough issue. I know from experience.

> > >

> > > Jim

> > >

> > >

> > > --- wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi y'all! New here!

> > > >

> > > > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > > > then, his health has

> > > > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > > > that this has

> > > > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > > > answers and it

> > > > appear that his

> > > > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > > > (range 6.5 -

> > > > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > > > with the children

> > > > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > > > longer the same

> > > > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > > > drive is literally

> > > > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > > > is low as well as

> > > > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > > > levels of a MUCH

> > > > older man.

> > > >

> > > > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > > > are going

> > > > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > > > He is way too

> > > > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > > > hormones

> > > > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > > > supplemental DHEA and it

> > > > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > > > even lower. She

> > > > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

?

Pregnenolone might be useful in place of much of

the DHEA. I've been experimenting with it and it seems to be

somewhat helpful....more so than the DHEA, anyway. Understand

I do other things and I am speaking rather subjectively

and not on the basis of lab results with the Pregnenolone.

I'll add I've be taking GABA which just may help gonadotrophin

release. These are still available as " supplements " here in the

States.

Anyway that is my 2 cents.

> > >

> > > > Hi y'all! New here!

> > > >

> > > > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > > > then, his health has

> > > > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > > > that this has

> > > > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > > > answers and it

> > > > appear that his

> > > > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > > > (range 6.5 -

> > > > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > > > with the children

> > > > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > > > longer the same

> > > > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > > > drive is literally

> > > > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > > > is low as well as

> > > > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > > > levels of a MUCH

> > > > older man.

> > > >

> > > > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > > > are going

> > > > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > > > He is way too

> > > > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > > > hormones

> > > > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > > > supplemental DHEA and it

> > > > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > > > even lower. She

> > > > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

HUM, thanks! I took pregnelolone myself and even thought about giving

him some a long time ago. Thanks for bringing that back into the

forfront of my brain .

> ?

>

> Pregnenolone might be useful in place of much of

> the DHEA. I've been experimenting with it and it seems to be

> somewhat helpful....more so than the DHEA, anyway. Understand

> I do other things and I am speaking rather subjectively

> and not on the basis of lab results with the Pregnenolone.

> I'll add I've be taking GABA which just may help gonadotrophin

> release. These are still available as " supplements " here in the

> States.

>

> Anyway that is my 2 cents.

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > Hi y'all! New here!

> > > > >

> > > > > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > > > > then, his health has

> > > > > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > > > > that this has

> > > > > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > > > > answers and it

> > > > > appear that his

> > > > > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > > > > (range 6.5 -

> > > > > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > > > > with the children

> > > > > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > > > > longer the same

> > > > > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > > > > drive is literally

> > > > > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > > > > is low as well as

> > > > > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > > > > levels of a MUCH

> > > > > older man.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > > > > are going

> > > > > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > > > > He is way too

> > > > > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > > > > hormones

> > > > > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > > > > supplemental DHEA and it

> > > > > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > > > > even lower. She

> > > > > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > __________________________________________________

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Liam save your self some time and post to Chirs at these site's take your pick.

At this site he has a lot of info in the links section.

Hypopituitary_Support/messages

And this is a good place to post to him also he is up on all of this better

this most Dr.s. He has helped me a lot.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewforum.php?f=10 & sid=210359f84d\

6b7bf99596ecb6de0d9c3e

Phil

Liam <patrolbase19@...> wrote:

personally I'm getting two different stories on why I have low DHEA.

1. Adrenal insufficiency which is tied into the whole endo thing. Some docs

subscribe to this, some do not. The test results don't lie but treatment

regimens vary. I'm getting the impression that the pituitary brings down the

adrenals (DHEA/Cortisol) which brings down the thyroid (FT3/FT4) that brings

down testosterone. It's not enough to warrant Cushings but all tests fall into

the low normal. Just enough to make you feel like poopy kaka all the time. How

all of this fits together is beyond me but I'm still reading.

2. Stress/depression brings down the DHEA/Corisol which brings down testostone.

Treatment is with antidepressants and toughing it out. I personally don't

subscribe to this theory since it requires treating symtoms with the wrong meds

based on a subjective diagnosis.(Ask Phil about this and he'll hit the roof and

for good reason.)

L

Jack wrote:

how does one get low DHEA?...other than normal aging? im 30yo and my DHEA is 175

ref range 80 - 560. tested 2x (1st time it was 183).

just curious.

philip georgian

wrote:

Liam Lef.had a chart and when I linked to it they changed it and the chart is

gone. But in the chart they said men any age need DHEA at 400

Phil

Liam

wrote:

Has anyone seen a normal ranges chart (by age) for DHEA. I'd like to see where

I'm supposed to fit at age 41. My DHEA is at the low end of normal 17 points

from the cliff. I have a lot of other related lows simular to Phil - low T, high

E2, borderline low T3 and T4, low phosphorus and calcium, and a few other odd

readings. Have a new doc appointment on the 29th, this will be number 6.

L

wrote:

HI JIm,

My doc wanted to just " try " the dhea to see if it would budge his

hormones because it is like a master hormone to all the other

hormones. Also, he needs it anyway since his dhea is 140 and the range

is 80-450 and he should be somewhere near the upper end of the range

at his age. He has the DHEA of an elderly man and of course with low

levels of DHEA, it opens a pandora's box to age related illness,

autoimmune disease and even cancer. He already has alopecia. It's a

bald spot that has grown from 1 quarter in size to about 6 in 5 months

(not a fun thing to have on top of all this hormonal crap). Anyway,

She thought it was worth a try because she seemed hesitant to start

him off with testosterone. The testosterone she prescribed is called

chrysin. It is totally bioidentical (same thing his body already

produces, nothing synthetic whatsoever).

As for being understanding, trust me, if it wasn't for me, he would

not be even getting help. I have been the one to research and do all

the appointment setting etc... I myself have an autoimmune disease -

hashimoto's - and hormonal problems too. I can TOTALLY empathize. I

have been dealing with undiagnosed hashi's since i was at least 15 and

finally got diagnosed almost 3 years ago. I just don't understand how

the both of us could be so unlucky. Now I need to worry about my children.

> Hi -

>

> Betaine, brad and Phil have already given you good

> advice and I would agree with all that they said. Let

> me just add -

>

> 1. I would be very concerned about your " hormone

> specialist " doc. To me, prescribing DHEA to correct

> low testosterone is voodoo medicine. If you do the

> research, you will find that, in males, DHEA can

> convert to either testosterone or estrogen. I don't

> know of any doctor who knows what they are doing who

> would prescribe DHEA to treat a testosterone

> deficiency. Which is not to say that the low DHEA

> should not be treated with a supplement.

>

> 2. What testosterone has been prescribed? Be aware

> that exogenous testosterone will shut down your

> husband's own production and the exogenous

> testosterone may not be enough to bring him back to

> where he was. He may wind up with lower levels and

> feeling worse as a result of this prescription. This

> has happened to many of us.

>

>

> 3. Be nice to your husband. He is having to deal with

> a very tough issue. I know from experience.

>

> Jim

>

>

> --- wrote:

>

> > Hi y'all! New here!

> >

> > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > then, his health has

> > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > that this has

> > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > answers and it

> > appear that his

> > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > (range 6.5 -

> > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > with the children

> > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > longer the same

> > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > drive is literally

> > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > is low as well as

> > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > levels of a MUCH

> > older man.

> >

> > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > are going

> > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > He is way too

> > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > hormones

> > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > supplemental DHEA and it

> > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > even lower. She

> > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

My wife is like you but older she has Hashimoto's been sick with it for 15 yrs.

Just last yr. I got her to stop seeing Endo's and she droped the Synthroid and

went on Armour but like I said she can't go more then 115 mgs of Armour her Dr.

is treating her for Adrenal Fatigue but will not give her HC yet he trys the

glands first. And she is feeling better just getting her DHEA up. I was

shocked when she came home with the same DHEA I take and she paided less for it

then I do off the net.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

I live in Mi. and will be going to see Dr. soon he is about a 4 hr. drive

round trip. He uses HC to treat Adrenal Fatigue. I am doing sea salt I can't

drink a 1/4 tsp full in a 8oz glass or water but do mix in my bottle of 24 oz

water and I feel better drinking 2 bottles a day.

Phil

<d_timmsjosey@...> wrote:

Hi Phil,

I have done lots of research and the standard dose of thyroid

medication is 3+ grains (a full replacement dose): however, there are

instances when a patient does not need a dose that high (my mom is 57

and she has been taking 1/2 grain for over 2 years). With people over

50 (roughly), thyroid function decreases from aging. This is usually

not from autoimmune disease like hashi's (although some do develop

hashi's in later life too - after menopause, or maybe it's FINALLY

gets discovered), but an aged thyroid that just needs a boost. This is

not to say Phil, that you may not need MORE than a grain or two, you

just might.

Yes, adrenal fatigue causes the thyroid hormone to quickly build in

the blood and causes hyperness, you are right. Yes, low iron stores

(ferritin) can create the same scenario. Your wife, and it sounds like

you too, should be on physiological doses of bioidentical HC to bring

the adrenals back up (support them) and then over time gradually wean

down (some people with severe adrenal issues may never be able to go

without HC, but that is worst case scenario).

Phil, isocort is a good start, but will not do the trick if you have

bad adrenals. You can always order HC overseas if worse comes to

worse, but I would look for a wellness doctor who is well versed in

thyroid and cortisol. Where do you live?

If your wife is mildly depeleted, she can take rhodeola rosea,

licorice root if her blood pressure is not elevated, a good and

b-complex (and she can take 4 times the dose), go to bed by 10pm, rest

and do visualization techniques etc.. to give the adrenals a rest.

ALso, natural sea salt is an alternative if you can chock a full glass

mixed in the morning (I tried it and it is hard to do lol).

P.S. SOmetimes adrenals come up along with thyroid replacement (dr.

Derry talks about this), but it is not typically the norm from

all the ladies and men on the boards.

> Thanks for the reply I am doing Isocort to help bring up my

Cortisol levels they are dam low. I will be doing a test next week

and will redo the tests to see if my Thyroid dose better if not then I

am going to press my Dr. on this more. I need to find a study that

will show him he is wrong. If not I am going to see Dr. here in

MI. He is one of the best on all of this stuff. Problem is he is not

on my Dr.'s list for BCBS but his cost is not that bad and it's the

drive like 4 hrs round trip. By the way I am 62.

>

> My wife is seeing a good Dr. for her Thyroid and he just put her

on Fish Oil and DHEA. Her test showed her lower then the bottom of

the range. She is doing 25mgs 2x's a day now she is feeling the best

she ever felt.

>

> One more question what is the normal dose of Armour I have read

that anything under 3 grains is not a normal dose and it could mean

low cortisol or Iron problems. I ask this because my wife can take

more then 115 mgs. or she feels hipper yet her Dr. says she has

Adrenal Fatigue. And will not give her HC to help her Adrenals. I

got most of this stuff from this site.

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> Phil

>

> wrote:

> I would say PHIL without a doubt, that you could add in some Armour to

> your regime. If you are worried about a doc not treating you (and

> remember the TSH range is .3 - 3.0) which is not uncommon, they are

> really clueless about thyroid, you can always order overseas (I am

> sure yourwife knows all about this though). I would give my husband

> Armour with those levels. A small (perhaps 1 grain) amount may be all

> you need.

>

>

> P.S. that free t3 range is really low. Is that because of your age???

> My free t4 was 5.2 (over the standrard range), but many other labs

> have a higher top end (6.2) and my doc likes to see mine between 5

and 6.

>

> > Hi my last Thyroid test my Dr. told me is fine but he is

> going by the TSH only here is what my test was.

> >

> > TSH is 2.939 range is 0.4 to 4.7 uIU/mL

> > Free T3 was 2.32 range 1.5 to 3.5 pg/mL

> > Free T4 was 0.91 range 0.71 to 2.23 ng/dL

> >

> > Phil

> > wrote:

> > Dhea declines after 35, but 17 points from the edge is very very low

> > for someone your age. If your free t's are borderline low, do you mean

> > in the bottom of the range (ie. range is .8 - 1.9 and you are .8 or

> > .9)? If so, this would indicate a need for possible thyroid hormones.

> > Have you ever had your thyroid antibodies tested? What's your TSH. The

> > New TSH range was narrowed down to .3 - 3.0, and anything over 2.0

> > should be monitored very closely. WHere are you at. It is not at all

> > uncommon for those with failing thyroids from thyroid disease to have

> > low DHEA, hormonal issues etc...

> >

> >

> > > Has anyone seen a normal ranges chart (by age) for DHEA. I'd like to

> > see where I'm supposed to fit at age 41. My DHEA is at the low end of

> > normal 17 points from the cliff. I have a lot of other related lows

> > simular to Phil - low T, high E2, borderline low T3 and T4, low

> > phosphorus and calcium, and a few other odd readings. Have a new doc

> > appointment on the 29th, this will be number 6.

> > >

> > > L

> > >

> > > wrote:

> > > HI JIm,

> > >

> > > My doc wanted to just " try " the dhea to see if it would budge his

> > > hormones because it is like a master hormone to all the other

> > > hormones. Also, he needs it anyway since his dhea is 140 and the

range

> > > is 80-450 and he should be somewhere near the upper end of the range

> > > at his age. He has the DHEA of an elderly man and of course with low

> > > levels of DHEA, it opens a pandora's box to age related illness,

> > > autoimmune disease and even cancer. He already has alopecia. It's a

> > > bald spot that has grown from 1 quarter in size to about 6 in 5

months

> > > (not a fun thing to have on top of all this hormonal crap). Anyway,

> > > She thought it was worth a try because she seemed hesitant to start

> > > him off with testosterone. The testosterone she prescribed is called

> > > chrysin. It is totally bioidentical (same thing his body already

> > > produces, nothing synthetic whatsoever).

> > >

> > > As for being understanding, trust me, if it wasn't for me, he would

> > > not be even getting help. I have been the one to research and do all

> > > the appointment setting etc... I myself have an autoimmune disease -

> > > hashimoto's - and hormonal problems too. I can TOTALLY empathize. I

> > > have been dealing with undiagnosed hashi's since i was at least

15 and

> > > finally got diagnosed almost 3 years ago. I just don't

understand how

> > > the both of us could be so unlucky. Now I need to worry about my

> > children.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Hi -

> > > >

> > > > Betaine, brad and Phil have already given you good

> > > > advice and I would agree with all that they said. Let

> > > > me just add -

> > > >

> > > > 1. I would be very concerned about your " hormone

> > > > specialist " doc. To me, prescribing DHEA to correct

> > > > low testosterone is voodoo medicine. If you do the

> > > > research, you will find that, in males, DHEA can

> > > > convert to either testosterone or estrogen. I don't

> > > > know of any doctor who knows what they are doing who

> > > > would prescribe DHEA to treat a testosterone

> > > > deficiency. Which is not to say that the low DHEA

> > > > should not be treated with a supplement.

> > > >

> > > > 2. What testosterone has been prescribed? Be aware

> > > > that exogenous testosterone will shut down your

> > > > husband's own production and the exogenous

> > > > testosterone may not be enough to bring him back to

> > > > where he was. He may wind up with lower levels and

> > > > feeling worse as a result of this prescription. This

> > > > has happened to many of us.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > 3. Be nice to your husband. He is having to deal with

> > > > a very tough issue. I know from experience.

> > > >

> > > > Jim

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Hi y'all! New here!

> > > > >

> > > > > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > > > > then, his health has

> > > > > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > > > > that this has

> > > > > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > > > > answers and it

> > > > > appear that his

> > > > > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > > > > (range 6.5 -

> > > > > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > > > > with the children

> > > > > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > > > > longer the same

> > > > > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > > > > drive is literally

> > > > > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > > > > is low as well as

> > > > > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > > > > levels of a MUCH

> > > > > older man.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > > > > are going

> > > > > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > > > > He is way too

> > > > > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > > > > hormones

> > > > > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > > > > supplemental DHEA and it

> > > > > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > > > > even lower. She

> > > > > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > __________________________________________________

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Dr. says Pregnenolone converts to DHEA, cortisol, etc.

Phil

<d_timmsjosey@...> wrote:

HUM, thanks! I took pregnelolone myself and even thought about giving

him some a long time ago. Thanks for bringing that back into the

forfront of my brain .

> ?

>

> Pregnenolone might be useful in place of much of

> the DHEA. I've been experimenting with it and it seems to be

> somewhat helpful....more so than the DHEA, anyway. Understand

> I do other things and I am speaking rather subjectively

> and not on the basis of lab results with the Pregnenolone.

> I'll add I've be taking GABA which just may help gonadotrophin

> release. These are still available as " supplements " here in the

> States.

>

> Anyway that is my 2 cents.

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > Hi y'all! New here!

> > > > >

> > > > > My husband had a vasectomy 3.5 years ago. SInce

> > > > > then, his health has

> > > > > declined (although I was told on the vasectomy board

> > > > > that this has

> > > > > nothing to do with his isues). Finally I got some

> > > > > answers and it

> > > > > appear that his

> > > > > testosterone is at the very bottom of the range 6.65

> > > > > (range 6.5 -

> > > > > 28.1). He is only 32. He has become crabby, snappy

> > > > > with the children

> > > > > (has even cried to me because he says he is no

> > > > > longer the same

> > > > > person). He is also tired (fatigued) and the sex

> > > > > drive is literally

> > > > > gonzo. It has also been discovered that his estrogen

> > > > > is low as well as

> > > > > his DHEA (approx. 140 and it should be around 400+),

> > > > > levels of a MUCH

> > > > > older man.

> > > > >

> > > > > Is there anyone out there that can relate to what we

> > > > > are going

> > > > > through? I will do anything to get my husband back.

> > > > > He is way too

> > > > > young to be having these hormonal issues. My doc (a

> > > > > hormones

> > > > > specialist) tried to get his hormones up with

> > > > > supplemental DHEA and it

> > > > > has done nothing, in fact his testosterone dipped

> > > > > even lower. She

> > > > > today, prescribed testosterone. Thanks!!!!!

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > __________________________________________________

> > > >

[Guest guest]

Hi .

I have some adrendal/thyroid issues mixed in with my hypogonadism.

Would you mind telling me where the best boards are for men with

adrenal/thyroid issues? My biggest problem right now is insomnia due

to a trembling, buzzing sensation in my body, which wakes me up.

Thanks,

Eugene

> I have done lots of research and the standard dose of thyroid

> medication is 3+ grains (a full replacement dose): however, there are

> instances when a patient does not need a dose that high (my mom is 57

> and she has been taking 1/2 grain for over 2 years).

[Guest guest]

Eugene this is a dam good site start here.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

Phil

eugenekeddy <eugenekeddy@...> wrote:

Hi .

I have some adrendal/thyroid issues mixed in with my hypogonadism.

Would you mind telling me where the best boards are for men with

adrenal/thyroid issues? My biggest problem right now is insomnia due

to a trembling, buzzing sensation in my body, which wakes me up.

Thanks,

Eugene

> I have done lots of research and the standard dose of thyroid

> medication is 3+ grains (a full replacement dose): however, there are

> instances when a patient does not need a dose that high (my mom is 57

> and she has been taking 1/2 grain for over 2 years).