Re: Estrogen Test Results - Too high?

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:32:09 EDT, you wrote:

>Is there an easy conversion out there that anyone knows about?

>

This varies by compound:

A good table:

http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/scales/clinical_data.html

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:32:09 EDT, you wrote:

>I have received test results on my estrogen. I have discussed this with my

>doctor and he is not so sure how to interpret them.

>

>The numbers are:

>

>estrogen 150 U Mol/Liter - normal range as per test is 17 - 206

>Free Testosterone - 80.1 P Mol / Liter- normal per test is 31 - 94

>Bilirubin Total - U Mol/Liter - normal per test is 0 - 22

Did the test say " estrogen " or " estradiol " . It looks like they may

have tested for the wrong thing. There are several forms of estrogen.

T converts to estradiol also known as E2. This is the one that gives

us the most trouble. If its E2 this converts to US units of about 41.

Which is just slightly high.

If it is not E2 it is likely total estrogens which is not very

informative generally. If so you need to request an E2 test.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

Louis her is a converter I don't see these units offten.

http://www.vin.com/scripts/labquest/converthtml.pl

Testing your Estrogen is ok but the bad guy that is causeing you to feel like

this is Estradiol " E2 " have this tested in US units pg/ml you need to be between

10 to 30 your shots are to high if your doing them every other week and you do

get a lot of converson into E2 doing shots like this. Go to

www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success this is about the best

TRT going.

Phil

louislarocque@... wrote:

Hello all,

I have received test results on my estrogen. I have discussed this with my

doctor and he is not so sure how to interpret them.

The numbers are:

estrogen 150 U Mol/Liter - normal range as per test is 17 - 206

Free Testosterone - 80.1 P Mol / Liter- normal per test is 31 - 94

Bilirubin Total - U Mol/Liter - normal per test is 0 - 22

It appears that we are using metric numbers while alot that is posted is

other. Is there an easy conversion out there that anyone knows about?

I appreciate any comments on the numbers. I am 39 and have been on IM

injections for the last for months. Currently, I do not feel too good.

I have been able to warm up my doctor to inject more often with the hope

that things will get better. I am tired alot and somewhat cranky, low lobido and

mood is blasé. I cannot do too much physically without feeling it for a few

days after in my joints. My mental state is not bad, I can still function at

work.

Louis

[Guest guest]

I have just received the official copy. It reads:

Estradiol-17 Beta 150, reference range = Up to 206 pmol/L

Louis

---- Original Message ----

From: retrogrouch@...

Sent: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:55 PM

Subject: Re: Estrogen Test Results - Too high?

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:32:09 EDT, you wrote:

>I have received test results on my estrogen. I have discussed this with my

>doctor and he is not so sure how to interpret them.

>

>The numbers are:

>

>estrogen 150 U Mol/Liter - normal range as per test is 17 - 206

>Free Testosterone - 80.1 P Mol / Liter- normal per test is 31 - 94

>Bilirubin Total - U Mol/Liter - normal per test is 0 - 22

Did the test say " estrogen " or " estradiol " . It looks like they may

have tested for the wrong thing. There are several forms of estrogen.

T converts to estradiol also known as E2. This is the one that gives

us the most trouble. If its E2 this converts to US units of about 41.

Which is just slightly high.

If it is not E2 it is likely total estrogens which is not very

informative generally. If so you need to request an E2 test.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

I have converted the test results.

The test states Estradiol -17 Beta - 150 pmol/L which converts to roughly 41.

I have a simple question: should we be shooting for a level of 20? I will be

seeing a Urologist tomorrow and would like to get a trial of estrogen

suppression started then. The increased frequency of injection will also be

discussed (my GP wants assurance that this is OK long term, prudent).

Thanks all for responses.

Louis

---- Original Message ----

From: pmgamer18@...

Sent: Wed, 27 Sep 2006 9:44 AM

Subject: Re: Estrogen Test Results - Too high?

Louis her is a converter I don't see these units offten.

http://www.vin.com/scripts/labquest/converthtml.pl

Testing your Estrogen is ok but the bad guy that is causeing you to feel like

this is Estradiol " E2 " have this tested in US units pg/ml you need to be between

10 to 30 your shots are to high if your doing them every other week and you do

get a lot of converson into E2 doing shots like this. Go to

www.allthingsmale.com and read TRT: A Recipe for Success this is about the best

TRT going.

Phil

louislarocque@... wrote:

Hello all,

I have received test results on my estrogen. I have discussed this with my

doctor and he is not so sure how to interpret them.

The numbers are:

estrogen 150 U Mol/Liter - normal range as per test is 17 - 206

Free Testosterone - 80.1 P Mol / Liter- normal per test is 31 - 94

Bilirubin Total - U Mol/Liter - normal per test is 0 - 22

It appears that we are using metric numbers while alot that is posted is

other. Is there an easy conversion out there that anyone knows about?

I appreciate any comments on the numbers. I am 39 and have been on IM

injections for the last for months. Currently, I do not feel too good.

I have been able to warm up my doctor to inject more often with the hope

that things will get better. I am tired alot and somewhat cranky, low lobido and

mood is blasé. I cannot do too much physically without feeling it for a few

days after in my joints. My mental state is not bad, I can still function at

work.

Louis

[Guest guest]

My symptoms include:

- hot and sweaty

- sore joints and cannot exercise too much (even walking)

- sleep badly and therefore am tired

- if I get mad I really spit fire at someone - sadly can be my boy who

receives it

- Yes. I can feel emotion well up inside at cerimonies etc.

It has been a bit of a learning curve for me because I was OK during the

initial few months of June and July and everything was an improvement. Then it

has started to get worse, especially as the dose was increase. I would have 4

bad days then feel good for 10, then have 7 bad then 7 good. The pattern says

it has been building up. Lately it has been 14 bad no good ones. I can still

work though (not manually).

I will see the urologist tomorrow. I have all my articles copied along with

my test results. I will be pushing to get more frequent injections and try to

suppress the E2.

Wish me luck up here in Canada!

[Guest guest]

Hey Louis - in US units (pg/ml) that would give you ~ 40. This typically is

considered high. You have to go by the symptoms however. For me that's anxiety,

I get flushed easily and ED. I also have noticed I get emotional just watching

TV!!!! Isn't that manly!!

Arkansas

louislarocque@... wrote:

I have just received the official copy. It reads:

Estradiol-17 Beta 150, reference range = Up to 206 pmol/L

Louis

---- Original Message ----

From: retrogrouch@...

Sent: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:55 PM

Subject: Re: Estrogen Test Results - Too high?

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:32:09 EDT, you wrote:

>I have received test results on my estrogen. I have discussed this with my

>doctor and he is not so sure how to interpret them.

>

>The numbers are:

>

>estrogen 150 U Mol/Liter - normal range as per test is 17 - 206

>Free Testosterone - 80.1 P Mol / Liter- normal per test is 31 - 94

>Bilirubin Total - U Mol/Liter - normal per test is 0 - 22

Did the test say " estrogen " or " estradiol " . It looks like they may

have tested for the wrong thing. There are several forms of estrogen.

T converts to estradiol also known as E2. This is the one that gives

us the most trouble. If its E2 this converts to US units of about 41.

Which is just slightly high.

If it is not E2 it is likely total estrogens which is not very

informative generally. If so you need to request an E2 test.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 10:49:31 -0400, you wrote:

>

>I have just received the official copy. It reads:

>

>Estradiol-17 Beta 150, reference range = Up to 206 pmol/L

>

>Louis

>

So that translates to about a 41 in US units. WHich is high enough to

cause some problems.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 11:00:23 -0400, you wrote:

>I have converted the test results.

>

>The test states Estradiol -17 Beta - 150 pmol/L which converts to roughly 41.

>

>I have a simple question: should we be shooting for a level of 20? I will be

seeing a Urologist tomorrow and would like to get a trial of estrogen

suppression started then. The increased frequency of injection will also be

discussed (my GP wants assurance that this is OK long term, prudent).

>

>Thanks all for responses.

>

>Louis

I'd say 20 to 30. Much below 20 and you get very similar effects. At

14 I lost all libido.

At 45 I remember profound effects too. It's a tight range.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

If you can't get anything this link sends to the UK so I know it well go to

Canada.

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

If you get this let me know before you take it I can help you get your E2 down

and you will not go to low.

Phil

louislarocque@... wrote:

My symptoms include:

- hot and sweaty

- sore joints and cannot exercise too much (even walking)

- sleep badly and therefore am tired

- if I get mad I really spit fire at someone - sadly can be my boy who

receives it

- Yes. I can feel emotion well up inside at cerimonies etc.

It has been a bit of a learning curve for me because I was OK during the

initial few months of June and July and everything was an improvement. Then it

has started to get worse, especially as the dose was increase. I would have 4

bad days then feel good for 10, then have 7 bad then 7 good. The pattern says

it has been building up. Lately it has been 14 bad no good ones. I can still

work though (not manually).

I will see the urologist tomorrow. I have all my articles copied along with

my test results. I will be pushing to get more frequent injections and try to

suppress the E2.

Wish me luck up here in Canada!

[Guest guest]

Hey Arkansas...that certainly is manly. LOL

I've got all that...flush in an instant, cry watching tv shows, massive

water retention, and even a touch of ED. I'm curious, for those of you with

any ED symptoms... are you able to get an erection at all. My issue isn't

so much getting an erection, but maintaining one once acheived. Really hard

to keep it up, and even my firmest of erections is far less big and hard as

a few years ago.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Dan Meatheany

Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:26 AM

Subject: Re: Estrogen Test Results - Too high?

Hey Louis - in US units (pg/ml) that would give you ~ 40. This typically is

considered high. You have to go by the symptoms however. For me that's

anxiety, I get flushed easily and ED. I also have noticed I get emotional

just watching TV!!!! Isn't that manly!!

Arkansas

louislarocque@ <mailto:louislarocque%40aol.com> aol.com wrote:

I have just received the official copy. It reads:

Estradiol-17 Beta 150, reference range = Up to 206 pmol/L

Louis

---- Original Message ----

From: retrogrouch@ <mailto:retrogrouch%40comcast.net> comcast.net

@ <mailto: %40>

Sent: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:55 PM

Subject: Re: Estrogen Test Results - Too high?

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:32:09 EDT, you wrote:

>I have received test results on my estrogen. I have discussed this with my

>doctor and he is not so sure how to interpret them.

>

>The numbers are:

>

>estrogen 150 U Mol/Liter - normal range as per test is 17 - 206

>Free Testosterone - 80.1 P Mol / Liter- normal per test is 31 - 94

>Bilirubin Total - U Mol/Liter - normal per test is 0 - 22

Did the test say " estrogen " or " estradiol " . It looks like they may

have tested for the wrong thing. There are several forms of estrogen.

T converts to estradiol also known as E2. This is the one that gives

us the most trouble. If its E2 this converts to US units of about 41.

Which is just slightly high.

If it is not E2 it is likely total estrogens which is not very

informative generally. If so you need to request an E2 test.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

For me, I had a hard time (no pun intended) getting one. Just trying to get

aroused for sex was almost impossible. The majority of the time, I would start

to get one and then it would just go away. I could take things into my own hands

(literally) and get one but probably 80% stiff. Sometimes it wouldn't make it

through the whole trip!!! This got me started on performance anxiety which I

believe E2 makes even worse. This is really a sucky place to be for a guy. These

symptoms were when my E2 was ~ 55. When my E2 gets down to ~ 20, these issues

went away.

Arkansas

Dave <groups@...> wrote:

Hey Arkansas...that certainly is manly. LOL

I've got all that...flush in an instant, cry watching tv shows, massive

water retention, and even a touch of ED. I'm curious, for those of you with

any ED symptoms... are you able to get an erection at all. My issue isn't

so much getting an erection, but maintaining one once acheived. Really hard

to keep it up, and even my firmest of erections is far less big and hard as

a few years ago.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Dan Meatheany

Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:26 AM

Subject: Re: Estrogen Test Results - Too high?

Hey Louis - in US units (pg/ml) that would give you ~ 40. This typically is

considered high. You have to go by the symptoms however. For me that's

anxiety, I get flushed easily and ED. I also have noticed I get emotional

just watching TV!!!! Isn't that manly!!

Arkansas

louislarocque@ <mailto:louislarocque%40aol.com> aol.com wrote:

I have just received the official copy. It reads:

Estradiol-17 Beta 150, reference range = Up to 206 pmol/L

Louis

---- Original Message ----

From: retrogrouch@ <mailto:retrogrouch%40comcast.net> comcast.net

@ <mailto: %40>

Sent: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:55 PM

Subject: Re: Estrogen Test Results - Too high?

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:32:09 EDT, you wrote:

>I have received test results on my estrogen. I have discussed this with my

>doctor and he is not so sure how to interpret them.

>

>The numbers are:

>

>estrogen 150 U Mol/Liter - normal range as per test is 17 - 206

>Free Testosterone - 80.1 P Mol / Liter- normal per test is 31 - 94

>Bilirubin Total - U Mol/Liter - normal per test is 0 - 22

Did the test say " estrogen " or " estradiol " . It looks like they may

have tested for the wrong thing. There are several forms of estrogen.

T converts to estradiol also known as E2. This is the one that gives

us the most trouble. If its E2 this converts to US units of about 41.

Which is just slightly high.

If it is not E2 it is likely total estrogens which is not very

informative generally. If so you need to request an E2 test.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

The one time I remember having a fit of crying coincided about two

days after one (of only two) of my monthly injections of T.cyp. The

dose was 400mg and the level of E2 must have been sky high. If I

would do something simple and innocuous like looking at an old

postcard that brought back memories, my eyes would well up with tears

and I couldn't shake it. And all during this time, there was some

logic center in my brain thinking " ...what the hell...? " If this sort

of thing is somehow related to womens' PMS, you gals have my

sympathy, lol.

Rich

>

> >I have received test results on my estrogen. I have discussed this

with my

> >doctor and he is not so sure how to interpret them.

> >

> >The numbers are:

> >

> >estrogen 150 U Mol/Liter - normal range as per test is 17 - 206

> >Free Testosterone - 80.1 P Mol / Liter- normal per test is 31 - 94

> >Bilirubin Total - U Mol/Liter - normal per test is 0 - 22

>

> Did the test say " estrogen " or " estradiol " . It looks like they may

> have tested for the wrong thing. There are several forms of

estrogen.

> T converts to estradiol also known as E2. This is the one that gives

> us the most trouble. If its E2 this converts to US units of about

41.

> Which is just slightly high.

>

> If it is not E2 it is likely total estrogens which is not very

> informative generally. If so you need to request an E2 test.

>

> ________________

> I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

> Terence

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was having a hell of a time finding the Zone now that I am using less on my T

shot. It took me a good 6 weeks to get it right. The window is dam small and

trying to stay in this window on Arimidex is dam hard. I tried .5 every 5 days

and this had me low then high. Doing .25 every 3 days I felt to low so I tried

every 5 days nothing changed. It turns out .25 every otherday is putting me in

the Zone and this morning it stayed up so long I thought I need to go to the ER

:-) I do a blood test this Wed. so we will see if I am right.

Phil

Dan Meatheany <dmeatheany@...> wrote:

For me, I had a hard time (no pun intended) getting one. Just trying

to get aroused for sex was almost impossible. The majority of the time, I would

start to get one and then it would just go away. I could take things into my own

hands (literally) and get one but probably 80% stiff. Sometimes it wouldn't make

it through the whole trip!!! This got me started on performance anxiety which I

believe E2 makes even worse. This is really a sucky place to be for a guy. These

symptoms were when my E2 was ~ 55. When my E2 gets down to ~ 20, these issues

went away.

Arkansas

Dave <groups@...> wrote:

Hey Arkansas...that certainly is manly. LOL

I've got all that...flush in an instant, cry watching tv shows, massive

water retention, and even a touch of ED. I'm curious, for those of you with

any ED symptoms... are you able to get an erection at all. My issue isn't

so much getting an erection, but maintaining one once acheived. Really hard

to keep it up, and even my firmest of erections is far less big and hard as

a few years ago.

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Dan Meatheany

Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 9:26 AM

Subject: Re: Estrogen Test Results - Too high?

Hey Louis - in US units (pg/ml) that would give you ~ 40. This typically is

considered high. You have to go by the symptoms however. For me that's

anxiety, I get flushed easily and ED. I also have noticed I get emotional

just watching TV!!!! Isn't that manly!!

Arkansas

louislarocque@ <mailto:louislarocque%40aol.com> aol.com wrote:

I have just received the official copy. It reads:

Estradiol-17 Beta 150, reference range = Up to 206 pmol/L

Louis

---- Original Message ----

From: retrogrouch@ <mailto:retrogrouch%40comcast.net> comcast.net

@ <mailto: %40>

Sent: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 10:55 PM

Subject: Re: Estrogen Test Results - Too high?

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 20:32:09 EDT, you wrote:

>I have received test results on my estrogen. I have discussed this with my

>doctor and he is not so sure how to interpret them.

>

>The numbers are:

>

>estrogen 150 U Mol/Liter - normal range as per test is 17 - 206

>Free Testosterone - 80.1 P Mol / Liter- normal per test is 31 - 94

>Bilirubin Total - U Mol/Liter - normal per test is 0 - 22

Did the test say " estrogen " or " estradiol " . It looks like they may

have tested for the wrong thing. There are several forms of estrogen.

T converts to estradiol also known as E2. This is the one that gives

us the most trouble. If its E2 this converts to US units of about 41.

Which is just slightly high.

If it is not E2 it is likely total estrogens which is not very

informative generally. If so you need to request an E2 test.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:53:24 -0000, you wrote:

>The one time I remember having a fit of crying coincided about two

>days after one (of only two) of my monthly injections of T.cyp. The

>dose was 400mg and the level of E2 must have been sky high. If I

>would do something simple and innocuous like looking at an old

>postcard that brought back memories, my eyes would well up with tears

>and I couldn't shake it. And all during this time, there was some

>logic center in my brain thinking " ...what the hell...? " If this sort

>of thing is somehow related to womens' PMS, you gals have my

>sympathy, lol.

When my E2 was at its highest I got free floating anxiety. I had this

sense of dread that something bad was going to happen and worried

about where my kids were and the like. I was the same way with the

tears at chick flicks. A 1/2 tab of Arimidex and it evaporated. This

E2 is some weird stuff.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence

[Guest guest]

Just curious of the guys on here who have had emotional " increases " from

high E2 have a new found understanding and compassion for what women go

through. Add in the hot flashes I get, and I'm very sympathetic for the

gals now. ;-)

_____

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of retrogrouch@...

Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 6:16 PM

Subject: Re: Estrogen Test Results - Too high?

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 02:53:24 -0000, you wrote:

>The one time I remember having a fit of crying coincided about two

>days after one (of only two) of my monthly injections of T.cyp. The

>dose was 400mg and the level of E2 must have been sky high. If I

>would do something simple and innocuous like looking at an old

>postcard that brought back memories, my eyes would well up with tears

>and I couldn't shake it. And all during this time, there was some

>logic center in my brain thinking " ...what the hell...? " If this sort

>of thing is somehow related to womens' PMS, you gals have my

>sympathy, lol.

When my E2 was at its highest I got free floating anxiety. I had this

sense of dread that something bad was going to happen and worried

about where my kids were and the like. I was the same way with the

tears at chick flicks. A 1/2 tab of Arimidex and it evaporated. This

E2 is some weird stuff.

________________

I am human; nothing in humanity is alien to me.

Terence