Looking for info on HCG and DIM

March 14, 2006

Hi,

I have looked through most of the files but can't seem to find what I

am looking for so maybe some of you can help me. I am looking for

medical journal articles that recommend hCG for secondary hypogonadism

and articles on controlling estradiol by using arimides or DIM.

I have seen recommendations on this in various places such as in this

group, some of the files, and Shippen's book but am looking for

medical journal articles to show to a doctor to try this type of

treatment.

Thanks

Ray

March 14, 2006

That is a tall order here is a link full of links on DIM.

http://qualitycounts.com/fpdim.html

This link helped me get my Dr. to put me on HCG and the site

www.allthingsmale.com read TRT: A Recipe for Success and the HCG Update. her is

this link.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595

If your Dr. is an Endo for get about it you can't tell them anything find a

different Dr. one that treats a lot of men for low T.

Phil

rayr_us <rayr_us@...> wrote:

Hi,

I have looked through most of the files but can't seem to find what I

am looking for so maybe some of you can help me. I am looking for

medical journal articles that recommend hCG for secondary hypogonadism

and articles on controlling estradiol by using arimides or DIM.

I have seen recommendations on this in various places such as in this

group, some of the files, and Shippen's book but am looking for

medical journal articles to show to a doctor to try this type of

treatment.

Thanks

Ray

March 15, 2006

>

> That is a tall order here is a link full of links on DIM.

> http://qualitycounts.com/fpdim.html

> This link helped me get my Dr. to put me on HCG and the site

www.allthingsmale.com read TRT: A Recipe for Success and the HCG

Update. her is this link.

> http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595

> If your Dr. is an Endo for get about it you can't tell them

anything find a different Dr. one that treats a lot of men for low T.

> Phil

>

Thanks for the reply. I am 65 with T level that range from 125 to

250. LH and FSH about 1.5. Estradiol 39. I do not have most of the

classic low T symptoms. I went to an endo who tried Testim which had

no positive results. It is his only treatment method. I found a

urologist whose nurse says he is more open minded about treatment

options. I am not sure I want to start TRT yet and am looking for

other options. Therefore I am looking for some professional articles

with footnotes and bells and whistles to convince a doctor to be a

little more open minded about treatment methods.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/5/2595 seems to

deal more with fertility issues so it would be a hard sell to a

doctor. www.allthingsmale.com TRT: A Recipe for Success while

interesting, I do not think would go very far in convincing a doctor.

Ray

March 15, 2006

Ray I am 62 have had low T for over 22 yrs. and seen a lot of Dr.'s that did me

no good. You can do what your trying to do but I feel it is a waste of time.

You levels are way do low for T and high for E2. I have this link that shows in

a study getting E2 down will bring up Total and Free. T but you are so low I

don't feel this will help but you can try it. My Dr. will do this with new men

but there T levels were up around 350 to 450 and getting there Estradiol " E2 "

down brought there Total T up 200 to 300 points.

http://www.medibolics.com/ArimidexBoostsTestosterone.htm

Many men on TRT have shown Dr. 's treatment protocol to there Dr.'s and

told them like I did that they need to try this and there Dr. put them on it.

You can't do this with a Endo they feel they are above other Dr.'s. I have no

use for them and when you are told by a Dr. that they only do one kind of TRT it

is a flag going up you need to find a new Dr. A lot of things can go wrong on

TRT and if one kind of med does not work the other will if testim did nothing

for your then you need to go shots starting at 100 mg. a week and you need to do

them every week. I hope you find the right Dr. and get on meds so you can do

better. Are you up on the problems that men have with levels as low as yours.

Bone loss, feeling of depression with panic attacks, muscle and joint pain,

heart problems after all the heart is a muscle and needs T , prostate problems

with ED and trouble reaching a orgasm just to name a few.