Re: I'm starting to break..

[Guest guest]

Hey Jake...I can tell this hit you hard. Just one friend to another,

I'm so sorry and wish I knew enough about how it all works. But I

don't.

There HAS to be something Jake can do everyone?

Isn't there a certain test or series of tests he can take?

Again, I'm VERY sorry.

Hawaiian Wayne

>

> Well, I was at school today(evening class from 5 to 9). Right

after

> the first break I checked my phone messages and I got a call from

> Anne, the doctor's nurse. " YES! " I thought as I awaited to hear my

> estradiol results. She ends up saying my estradiol was 15, and

there

> is no need for Arimidex. I was broken, my last hope for what the

> problem was and they shut me down like that.. I was gonna lose it,

I

> needed some air, I was done with school for today.

>

> How the fuck is my estradiol 15? What is my problem then? I feel

> like complete shit, I feel like I'm drugged and my eyes are raccoon

> every freaking day. I have no sex drive, but when I take something

> like HCG to increase my sex drive, it works for a week or two, and

> then destruction of said benefits as well as destruction of any

> remaining bit of energy I have to function as a human freaking

being

> on a daily basis.

>

> This has been going on now for 9 months, different doctors, same

> disappointment. I am still in shock that my estradiol they said

was

> 15? I forced them to give me another estradiol test since the last

> time it was 38 and I wasn't even taking anything! Also because

> whenever I try to bump my testosterone, after a week or two I feel

> twice as bad as my normally exhausted and miserable self. ALL OF

THIS

> STARTED THE DAY I WENT INTO THE UROLOGIST FOR TREATMENT OF LOW

LIBIDO.

> Last august, I got testosterone shots, and ever since then,

complete

> shit , a rollercoaster of feeling miserable even when I'm NOT

taking

> testosterone. I just can't explain it. The doctor's not even

giving

> me suggestions, just saying " Nope thats not it " When I have an

idea of

> what it might be.. My last chance at hope that it is

> estradio(EVERYTHING is pointing to estradiol..and it comes back 15?

> what the ff..) Now I have no idea what my problem is..my doctor

isn't

> sure.. he's like the 4th doctor now.. He said I had thyroid

problems,

> but then gave me pills for that and nothing is fixed.. What got me

> through every miserable day was hope that it was something.. Now

I'm

> out of options and I'm clueless. Next monday I'm going to demand

> Arimidex, even if my test said 15. I stopped taking my HCG a week

> before the test to get back the last shred of energy I lost the day

> before the test. Could that be why it was low? I don't know, all I

> know is this is all really fucked up, and what is suppose to be the

> best year of my life is becoming the worst.

>

> Just had to vent, sorry, just frustrated. Lotta homework, gonna be

fun

> trying to screw my head on straight to do all this and try to

ignore

> the fact that I have no idea how to fix myself and can't stand

every

> waking freaking day feeling like this.

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Well, I was at school today(evening class from 5 to 9). Right

> after

> > the first break I checked my phone messages and I got a call from

> > Anne, the doctor's nurse. " YES! " I thought as I awaited to hear my

> > estradiol results. She ends up saying my estradiol was 15, and

> there

> > is no need for Arimidex. I was broken, my last hope for what the

> > problem was and they shut me down like that.. I was gonna lose

it,

> I

> > needed some air, I was done with school for today.

> >

> > How the fuck is my estradiol 15? What is my problem then? I feel

> > like complete shit, I feel like I'm drugged and my eyes are

raccoon

> > every freaking day. I have no sex drive, but when I take something

> > like HCG to increase my sex drive, it works for a week or two, and

> > then destruction of said benefits as well as destruction of any

> > remaining bit of energy I have to function as a human freaking

> being

> > on a daily basis.

> >

> > This has been going on now for 9 months, different doctors, same

> > disappointment. I am still in shock that my estradiol they said

> was

> > 15? I forced them to give me another estradiol test since the

last

> > time it was 38 and I wasn't even taking anything! Also because

> > whenever I try to bump my testosterone, after a week or two I feel

> > twice as bad as my normally exhausted and miserable self. ALL OF

> THIS

> > STARTED THE DAY I WENT INTO THE UROLOGIST FOR TREATMENT OF LOW

> LIBIDO.

> > Last august, I got testosterone shots, and ever since then,

> complete

> > shit , a rollercoaster of feeling miserable even when I'm NOT

> taking

> > testosterone. I just can't explain it. The doctor's not even

> giving

> > me suggestions, just saying " Nope thats not it " When I have an

> idea of

> > what it might be.. My last chance at hope that it is

> > estradio(EVERYTHING is pointing to estradiol..and it comes back

15?

> > what the ff..) Now I have no idea what my problem is..my doctor

> isn't

> > sure.. he's like the 4th doctor now.. He said I had thyroid

> problems,

> > but then gave me pills for that and nothing is fixed.. What got me

> > through every miserable day was hope that it was something.. Now

> I'm

> > out of options and I'm clueless. Next monday I'm going to demand

> > Arimidex, even if my test said 15. I stopped taking my HCG a week

> > before the test to get back the last shred of energy I lost the

day

> > before the test. Could that be why it was low? I don't know, all I

> > know is this is all really fucked up, and what is suppose to be

the

> > best year of my life is becoming the worst.

> >

> > Just had to vent, sorry, just frustrated. Lotta homework, gonna

be

> fun

> > trying to screw my head on straight to do all this and try to

> ignore

> > the fact that I have no idea how to fix myself and can't stand

> every

> > waking freaking day feeling like this.

> >

The same thing happened to me. I have been on testosterone cypionate

with HCG too. Sexual performance has went down, but for me

everything besides that are better. But this is a bid issue and

since starting TRT, erectile func is considerably worse and I am only

27 years old:-/ Anyways my doc said my estrogen was good even though

it was in the top of the ref range. My only hope was that my E2 was

high also. I know there are other meds out there that are supposed

to help sexual func and libido, e.g. deprenyl, bromocriptine, and

dostinex. Not sure if these would help us. I would like to try the

arimidex too, so if you find a good source PM me because I at least

need to try for my own satisfaction. Also did you try any gels, I

hear these help with ED, but again you need arimidex to control

estrogen.

[Guest guest]

Jake slow down here lets see where we are here. Frist thing we need to know is

what were your test levels with the ranges and units. Your Dr. put you on shots

and you feel like you on a roller coaster ride how much was he giving you and

how often. If he is giving you shots every 2 to 4 weeks this is why you feel

bad. Doing treatment this way is outdated. Best to do shots every week or

every 3 days using a small needle like a 27g 1ml x 1/2 " lg. needle. You need to

be on this for 6 weeks then do a test to see where your levels are at and then

adjust from there. Your T shots should be bumped up only 20 mgs at a time. If

they are not doing your shots every week this is why you feel so bad. As for

your E2 this will dump on you if you stop TRT. Also your Total E's can make you

feel this way if it is to high. Don't give up on this it takes time to get it

right. Go to www.allthingsmale.com and Read TRT: A Recipe for Success and the

HCG Update. Print this out and show

it to your Dr. and tell them you need to try this. If they don't want to do

this ask if they will work with Dr. over the phone to treat you. Also most

Dr.'s don't like to be shown other Dr.'s info so also go to the AACE Guildlines

and on page 11 it states to do Shots every 7 to 10 days.

Have you read Dr. Shippen's Book " The Testosterone Syndrome " get this book it

will help you a lot. Dr. Shippen and Dr. are working on something together

so more good stuff is comming out. Dr. Shippen is now doing shots of T subQ in

his belly every 3 days. He was down on shots in his book so parts of his book

are dated but still full of good dam good info.

Phil

jake harris <strawser81@...> wrote:

Well, I was at school today(evening class from 5 to 9). Right after

the first break I checked my phone messages and I got a call from

Anne, the doctor's nurse. " YES! " I thought as I awaited to hear my

estradiol results. She ends up saying my estradiol was 15, and there

is no need for Arimidex. I was broken, my last hope for what the

problem was and they shut me down like that.. I was gonna lose it, I

needed some air, I was done with school for today.

How the fuck is my estradiol 15? What is my problem then? I feel

like complete shit, I feel like I'm drugged and my eyes are raccoon

every freaking day. I have no sex drive, but when I take something

like HCG to increase my sex drive, it works for a week or two, and

then destruction of said benefits as well as destruction of any

remaining bit of energy I have to function as a human freaking being

on a daily basis.

This has been going on now for 9 months, different doctors, same

disappointment. I am still in shock that my estradiol they said was

15? I forced them to give me another estradiol test since the last

time it was 38 and I wasn't even taking anything! Also because

whenever I try to bump my testosterone, after a week or two I feel

twice as bad as my normally exhausted and miserable self. ALL OF THIS

STARTED THE DAY I WENT INTO THE UROLOGIST FOR TREATMENT OF LOW LIBIDO.

Last august, I got testosterone shots, and ever since then, complete

shit , a rollercoaster of feeling miserable even when I'm NOT taking

testosterone. I just can't explain it. The doctor's not even giving

me suggestions, just saying " Nope thats not it " When I have an idea of

what it might be.. My last chance at hope that it is

estradio(EVERYTHING is pointing to estradiol..and it comes back 15?

what the ff..) Now I have no idea what my problem is..my doctor isn't

sure.. he's like the 4th doctor now.. He said I had thyroid problems,

but then gave me pills for that and nothing is fixed.. What got me

through every miserable day was hope that it was something.. Now I'm

out of options and I'm clueless. Next monday I'm going to demand

Arimidex, even if my test said 15. I stopped taking my HCG a week

before the test to get back the last shred of energy I lost the day

before the test. Could that be why it was low? I don't know, all I

know is this is all really fucked up, and what is suppose to be the

best year of my life is becoming the worst.

Just had to vent, sorry, just frustrated. Lotta homework, gonna be fun

trying to screw my head on straight to do all this and try to ignore

the fact that I have no idea how to fix myself and can't stand every

waking freaking day feeling like this.

[Guest guest]

Try getting some Indolplex/DIM start with one tablet a day you should get your

libido back in less then 2 weeks on this I did dam good on it and was only

taking 1/2 a table a day. If you try this let me know and I will tell you how

to not get your E2 down to low.

http://www.ritecare.com/prodsheets/PHY-15336.html

http://www.dimfaq.com/index.htm

Phil

davisonblue <jmcarp98@...> wrote:

> >

> > Well, I was at school today(evening class from 5 to 9). Right

> after

> > the first break I checked my phone messages and I got a call from

> > Anne, the doctor's nurse. " YES! " I thought as I awaited to hear my

> > estradiol results. She ends up saying my estradiol was 15, and

> there

> > is no need for Arimidex. I was broken, my last hope for what the

> > problem was and they shut me down like that.. I was gonna lose

it,

> I

> > needed some air, I was done with school for today.

> >

> > How the fuck is my estradiol 15? What is my problem then? I feel

> > like complete shit, I feel like I'm drugged and my eyes are

raccoon

> > every freaking day. I have no sex drive, but when I take something

> > like HCG to increase my sex drive, it works for a week or two, and

> > then destruction of said benefits as well as destruction of any

> > remaining bit of energy I have to function as a human freaking

> being

> > on a daily basis.

> >

> > This has been going on now for 9 months, different doctors, same

> > disappointment. I am still in shock that my estradiol they said

> was

> > 15? I forced them to give me another estradiol test since the

last

> > time it was 38 and I wasn't even taking anything! Also because

> > whenever I try to bump my testosterone, after a week or two I feel

> > twice as bad as my normally exhausted and miserable self. ALL OF

> THIS

> > STARTED THE DAY I WENT INTO THE UROLOGIST FOR TREATMENT OF LOW

> LIBIDO.

> > Last august, I got testosterone shots, and ever since then,

> complete

> > shit , a rollercoaster of feeling miserable even when I'm NOT

> taking

> > testosterone. I just can't explain it. The doctor's not even

> giving

> > me suggestions, just saying " Nope thats not it " When I have an

> idea of

> > what it might be.. My last chance at hope that it is

> > estradio(EVERYTHING is pointing to estradiol..and it comes back

15?

> > what the ff..) Now I have no idea what my problem is..my doctor

> isn't

> > sure.. he's like the 4th doctor now.. He said I had thyroid

> problems,

> > but then gave me pills for that and nothing is fixed.. What got me

> > through every miserable day was hope that it was something.. Now

> I'm

> > out of options and I'm clueless. Next monday I'm going to demand

> > Arimidex, even if my test said 15. I stopped taking my HCG a week

> > before the test to get back the last shred of energy I lost the

day

> > before the test. Could that be why it was low? I don't know, all I

> > know is this is all really fucked up, and what is suppose to be

the

> > best year of my life is becoming the worst.

> >

> > Just had to vent, sorry, just frustrated. Lotta homework, gonna

be

> fun

> > trying to screw my head on straight to do all this and try to

> ignore

> > the fact that I have no idea how to fix myself and can't stand

> every

> > waking freaking day feeling like this.

> >

The same thing happened to me. I have been on testosterone cypionate

with HCG too. Sexual performance has went down, but for me

everything besides that are better. But this is a bid issue and

since starting TRT, erectile func is considerably worse and I am only

27 years old:-/ Anyways my doc said my estrogen was good even though

it was in the top of the ref range. My only hope was that my E2 was

high also. I know there are other meds out there that are supposed

to help sexual func and libido, e.g. deprenyl, bromocriptine, and

dostinex. Not sure if these would help us. I would like to try the

arimidex too, so if you find a good source PM me because I at least

need to try for my own satisfaction. Also did you try any gels, I

hear these help with ED, but again you need arimidex to control

estrogen.

[Guest guest]

> Well, I was at school today(evening class from 5 to 9). Right after

> the first break I checked my phone messages and I got a call from

> Anne, the doctor's nurse. " YES! " I thought as I awaited to hear my

> estradiol results. She ends up saying my estradiol was 15, and there

> is no need for Arimidex. I was broken, my last hope for what the

> problem was and they shut me down like that.. I was gonna lose it, I

> needed some air, I was done with school for today.

>

> How the fuck is my estradiol 15? What is my problem then? I feel

> like complete shit, I feel like I'm drugged and my eyes are raccoon

> every freaking day. I have no sex drive, but when I take something

> like HCG to increase my sex drive, it works for a week or two, and

> then destruction of said benefits as well as destruction of any

> remaining bit of energy I have to function as a human freaking being

> on a daily basis.

>

> This has been going on now for 9 months, different doctors, same

> disappointment. I am still in shock that my estradiol they said was

> 15? I forced them to give me another estradiol test since the last

> time it was 38 and I wasn't even taking anything! Also because

> whenever I try to bump my testosterone, after a week or two I feel

> twice as bad as my normally exhausted and miserable self. ALL OF THIS

> STARTED THE DAY I WENT INTO THE UROLOGIST FOR TREATMENT OF LOW LIBIDO.

> Last august, I got testosterone shots, and ever since then, complete

> shit , a rollercoaster of feeling miserable even when I'm NOT taking

> testosterone. I just can't explain it. The doctor's not even giving

> me suggestions, just saying " Nope thats not it " When I have an idea of

> what it might be.. My last chance at hope that it is

> estradio(EVERYTHING is pointing to estradiol..and it comes back 15?

> what the ff..) Now I have no idea what my problem is..my doctor isn't

> sure.. he's like the 4th doctor now.. He said I had thyroid problems,

> but then gave me pills for that and nothing is fixed.. What got me

> through every miserable day was hope that it was something.. Now I'm

> out of options and I'm clueless. Next monday I'm going to demand

> Arimidex, even if my test said 15. I stopped taking my HCG a week

> before the test to get back the last shred of energy I lost the day

> before the test. Could that be why it was low? I don't know, all I

> know is this is all really fucked up, and what is suppose to be the

> best year of my life is becoming the worst.

>

> Just had to vent, sorry, just frustrated. Lotta homework, gonna be fun

> trying to screw my head on straight to do all this and try to ignore

> the fact that I have no idea how to fix myself and can't stand every

> waking freaking day feeling like this.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Hey Jake...I can tell this hit you hard. Just one friend to another,

> I'm so sorry and wish I knew enough about how it all works. But I

> don't.

>

> There HAS to be something Jake can do everyone?

>

> Isn't there a certain test or series of tests he can take?

>

> Again, I'm VERY sorry.

> Hawaiian Wayne

Yeah, if only this could have happened in any other time of my life.

Right now is critical with wedding plans coming up, new house on the

horizon, the fact that I need to finish school and have a part time

job until I do that and then manage to function well enough to work a

full time job after that. I donno it's a lot on my plate if I felt

okay, having less time in the day than a normal person and feeling

horrible in that time will make this a very stressing time if I don't

fix this or get on the right track in the next 5 months. Not to

mention I want to enjoy my honeymoon..

Thanks again for the concern!

[Guest guest]

> The same thing happened to me. I have been on testosterone cypionate

> with HCG too. Sexual performance has went down, but for me

> everything besides that are better. But this is a bid issue and

> since starting TRT, erectile func is considerably worse and I am only

> 27 years old:-/ Anyways my doc said my estrogen was good even though

> it was in the top of the ref range. My only hope was that my E2 was

> high also. I know there are other meds out there that are supposed

> to help sexual func and libido, e.g. deprenyl, bromocriptine, and

> dostinex. Not sure if these would help us. I would like to try the

> arimidex too, so if you find a good source PM me because I at least

> need to try for my own satisfaction. Also did you try any gels, I

> hear these help with ED, but again you need arimidex to control

> estrogen.

>

Well the frustrating thing is I would just be happy for daily energy

right now. At least then I can get my life back together. Just I go

into the doctors office to fix libido, and in the process thanks to

some testosterone shots, I end up losing my daily energy as well. oh

well.

Yeha all this hormone crap is aggrevating, everyone has problems I

guess and this is ours.. joy!

[Guest guest]

Hi Jake,

Yes it is a Testosterone shot I feel it is not you T levels doing this it is

your Thyroid. Read this link my wife has had Thyroid problems for 15 yrs feels

just like you turns out she has Adrenal Fatigue and low Ferritin or low iron

levels. As it turns out this keeps the Tryroid meds from leaving the blood

stream and going into the cells. Here is a link.

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

Read this front to back my wife after reading this is seeing a new Dr. that is

up on the stuff at this link.

Also read this link at MESO and it is long but great on Adrenal Fatigue.

http://forum.mesomorphosis.com/showthread.php?t=134240195

As for Dr. and his TRT I feel you would do better on both T shots every

week and HCG. He said many times most men do better on this.

What was your T levels doing just HCG and what were your Thyroid tests results

and what do your take for your thyroid most do best on Armour.

Phil

jake harris <strawser81@...> wrote:

> Well, I was at school today(evening class from 5 to 9). Right after

> the first break I checked my phone messages and I got a call from

> Anne, the doctor's nurse. " YES! " I thought as I awaited to hear my

> estradiol results. She ends up saying my estradiol was 15, and there

> is no need for Arimidex. I was broken, my last hope for what the

> problem was and they shut me down like that.. I was gonna lose it, I

> needed some air, I was done with school for today.

>

> How the fuck is my estradiol 15? What is my problem then? I feel

> like complete shit, I feel like I'm drugged and my eyes are raccoon

> every freaking day. I have no sex drive, but when I take something

> like HCG to increase my sex drive, it works for a week or two, and

> then destruction of said benefits as well as destruction of any

> remaining bit of energy I have to function as a human freaking being

> on a daily basis.

>

> This has been going on now for 9 months, different doctors, same

> disappointment. I am still in shock that my estradiol they said was

> 15? I forced them to give me another estradiol test since the last

> time it was 38 and I wasn't even taking anything! Also because

> whenever I try to bump my testosterone, after a week or two I feel

> twice as bad as my normally exhausted and miserable self. ALL OF THIS

> STARTED THE DAY I WENT INTO THE UROLOGIST FOR TREATMENT OF LOW LIBIDO.

> Last august, I got testosterone shots, and ever since then, complete

> shit , a rollercoaster of feeling miserable even when I'm NOT taking

> testosterone. I just can't explain it. The doctor's not even giving

> me suggestions, just saying " Nope thats not it " When I have an idea of

> what it might be.. My last chance at hope that it is

> estradio(EVERYTHING is pointing to estradiol..and it comes back 15?

> what the ff..) Now I have no idea what my problem is..my doctor isn't

> sure.. he's like the 4th doctor now.. He said I had thyroid problems,

> but then gave me pills for that and nothing is fixed.. What got me

> through every miserable day was hope that it was something.. Now I'm

> out of options and I'm clueless. Next monday I'm going to demand

> Arimidex, even if my test said 15. I stopped taking my HCG a week

> before the test to get back the last shred of energy I lost the day

> before the test. Could that be why it was low? I don't know, all I

> know is this is all really fucked up, and what is suppose to be the

> best year of my life is becoming the worst.

>

> Just had to vent, sorry, just frustrated. Lotta homework, gonna be fun

> trying to screw my head on straight to do all this and try to ignore

> the fact that I have no idea how to fix myself and can't stand every

> waking freaking day feeling like this.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hey Jake - Wow - that was unexpected. This game we are all playing is very

difficult to manage. Part is finding out what is out of balance and part is

maintaining it. We are trying to balance multiple chemicals in our bodies and

that is a very hard thing to do.

Methodically speaking, one data point (that is not expected) should never be

used to make significant changes. My opinion is get a second test after you have

taken what every you think is your best option and don't change prior to the

test.

The bottom line is you just have to try various things and don't get hung up

on numbers. We don't really know if a value of 15 is right for you.

If it were me, I would retest and if low, I would then up my total T in

increments every few weeks to see if it made a difference.

Stay strong, I know it is difficult, but it will be worth it in the end.

Good Luck and keep us posted - Arkansas - Sorry it wasn't better news.

jake harris <strawser81@...> wrote:

Well, I was at school today(evening class from 5 to 9). Right after

the first break I checked my phone messages and I got a call from

Anne, the doctor's nurse. " YES! " I thought as I awaited to hear my

estradiol results. She ends up saying my estradiol was 15, and there

is no need for Arimidex. I was broken, my last hope for what the

problem was and they shut me down like that.. I was gonna lose it, I

needed some air, I was done with school for today.

How the fuck is my estradiol 15? What is my problem then? I feel

like complete shit, I feel like I'm drugged and my eyes are raccoon

every freaking day. I have no sex drive, but when I take something

like HCG to increase my sex drive, it works for a week or two, and

then destruction of said benefits as well as destruction of any

remaining bit of energy I have to function as a human freaking being

on a daily basis.

This has been going on now for 9 months, different doctors, same

disappointment. I am still in shock that my estradiol they said was

15? I forced them to give me another estradiol test since the last

time it was 38 and I wasn't even taking anything! Also because

whenever I try to bump my testosterone, after a week or two I feel

twice as bad as my normally exhausted and miserable self. ALL OF THIS

STARTED THE DAY I WENT INTO THE UROLOGIST FOR TREATMENT OF LOW LIBIDO.

Last august, I got testosterone shots, and ever since then, complete

shit , a rollercoaster of feeling miserable even when I'm NOT taking

testosterone. I just can't explain it. The doctor's not even giving

me suggestions, just saying " Nope thats not it " When I have an idea of

what it might be.. My last chance at hope that it is

estradio(EVERYTHING is pointing to estradiol..and it comes back 15?

what the ff..) Now I have no idea what my problem is..my doctor isn't

sure.. he's like the 4th doctor now.. He said I had thyroid problems,

but then gave me pills for that and nothing is fixed.. What got me

through every miserable day was hope that it was something.. Now I'm

out of options and I'm clueless. Next monday I'm going to demand

Arimidex, even if my test said 15. I stopped taking my HCG a week

before the test to get back the last shred of energy I lost the day

before the test. Could that be why it was low? I don't know, all I

know is this is all really fucked up, and what is suppose to be the

best year of my life is becoming the worst.

Just had to vent, sorry, just frustrated. Lotta homework, gonna be fun

trying to screw my head on straight to do all this and try to ignore

the fact that I have no idea how to fix myself and can't stand every

waking freaking day feeling like this.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

This was posted at one of the I sent this poor guy to this site to

see if could help him. I was shocked at what he had to say about

testosterone and cortirol levels. That if T is to high it will drive cortirol

down anyone want to give some input on this.

Here is a cut & past the post is last and the answer is first so read from the

bottom up.

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Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:17:18 -0000

Subject: [Hypopituitary_Support] Re: I think a Tumor is causing my

hypothyroidism.. " "

You have an unsual group of tests. Your Thyroid tests obviously don't

point to pituitary cause, you are primary. You need to be tested for

thyroid antibodies. Your thyroid levels are low, most people with

hypo are in range on the free tests. Your TSH all by itself shows

there's a problem.

I'm going to assume your cortisol was tested in the morning here.

Your cortisol and ACTH would then point to primary adrenal

insufficiency. I recommend you ask to be tested for 21-OH adrenal

antibodies, especially if thyroid antibodies test positive. If

cortisol was tested in the afternoon, then could be acth producing

tumor causing high cortisol.

Hypothyroid can cause high prolactin. Some drugs can block dopamine.

Dopamine keeps prolactin from rising. A tumor can cause high prolactin.

Your FSH and LH being at the low end of the ranges points to secondary

hypogonad. If you were primay, your LH would be at the high end or

above range. Testosterone and cortisol balance with each other. To

much of one, pushes down the other. So maybe the TRT was pushing your

cortisol down further (assuming your cortisol tests were down in the

morning). It takes a while for gel, injections, HCG to build up which

is probably why you felt good and first, then as it built up more,

pushed down your cortisol. Getting cortisol replaced, may help with

your TRT. Your low cortisol should have been treated before starting TRT.

Your igf-1 looks alright. If in the lower third of the range, then

you would very likely have low growth hormone.

So basically there is a chance of a pituitary tumor for you, but an

MRI (with and without contrast, don't use a machine older than 2

years, new machines give more detail and can pick up smaller tumors

that older machines can't) should tell if tumor or not.

This is the order that HRT should be done

Cortisol

aldosterone

Thyroid

sex hormones

growth hormone

Your doc may help you get an MRI of your pituitary, but it sounds like

he doesn't know what he is doing with HRT, otherwise he would have

treated in that order. An osteopath would be your best chance for

getting your cortisol and thyroid treated, endos are terrible at it.

Please keep us informed and hang in there.

Chris

Well, I was at school today(evening class from 5 to 9). Right after

the first break I checked my phone messages and I got a call from

Anne, the doctor's nurse. " YES! " I thought as I awaited to hear my

estradiol results. She ends up saying my estradiol was 15, and there

is no need for Arimidex. I was broken, my last hope for what the

problem was and they shut me down like that.. I was gonna lose it, I

needed some air, I was done with school for today.

How the fuck is my estradiol 15? What is my problem then? I feel

like complete shit, I feel like I'm drugged and my eyes are raccoon

every freaking day. I have no sex drive, but when I take something

like HCG to increase my sex drive, it works for a week or two, and

then destruction of said benefits as well as destruction of any

remaining bit of energy I have to function as a human freaking being

on a daily basis.

This has been going on now for 9 months, different doctors, same

disappointment. I am still in shock that my estradiol they said was

15? I forced them to give me another estradiol test since the last

time it was 38 and I wasn't even taking anything! Also because

whenever I try to bump my testosterone, after a week or two I feel

twice as bad as my normally exhausted and miserable self. ALL OF THIS

STARTED THE DAY I WENT INTO THE UROLOGIST FOR TREATMENT OF LOW LIBIDO.

Last august, I got testosterone shots, and ever since then, complete

shit , a rollercoaster of feeling miserable even when I'm NOT taking

testosterone. I just can't explain it. The doctor's not even giving

me suggestions, just saying " Nope thats not it " When I have an idea of

what it might be.. My last chance at hope that it is

estradio(EVERYTHING is pointing to estradiol..and it comes back 15?

what the ff..) Now I have no idea what my problem is..my doctor isn't

sure.. he's like the 4th doctor now.. He said I had thyroid problems,

but then gave me pills for that and nothing is fixed.. What got me

through every miserable day was hope that it was something.. Now I'm

out of options and I'm clueless. Next monday I'm going to demand

Arimidex, even if my test said 15. I stopped taking my HCG a week

before the test to get back the last shred of energy I lost the day

before the test. Could that be why it was low? I don't know, all I

know is this is all really fucked up, and what is suppose to be the

best year of my life is becoming the worst.

Just had to vent, sorry, just frustrated. Lotta homework, gonna be fun

trying to screw my head on straight to do all this and try to ignore

the fact that I have no idea how to fix myself and can't stand every

waking freaking day feeling like this.

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