Colloidal Silver

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

I didn't know you had been gone but welcome back. Yes I'm a member of wikipedia

and have done some contributing. Usually if an article is controversial there will be

a statement of such on the page. I rely heavily on the accuracy of wikipedia.

Blue or not who cares? I will gladly turn blue if it will cure my HCV though if you go

over to the 4colloidalsilver list you won't find anyone there who is blue. There is also

a silverpets list and no blue pets I don't think but can't say for sure.

Colloidal silver does one thing and one thing only. It kills bacteria and virus from what

I've gathered from the people who actually use it. That's good enough for me.

If I turn blue I can go on Oprah, write a book, do a book tour and retire well off.

It's just not that easy to turn blue else there would be more than that one guy

whose picture comes up with a search.

Regarding arguing. If you'll notice I don't argue. I'll state my position and move on,

always civil and polite.

Regards,‹(•¿•)› Ress Felton, CANicotine patches are great. Stick one over each eye and you can't find your cigarettes. ~Author Unknown

From: PeachStatePam <figment@...>Subject: [ ] Colloidal Silver Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 7:57 PM



WOW 0 I have been gone awhile but I sure thought the arguing here had gotten a bit better. Perhaps not. Do you realize that Wikipedia is simply other people putting things ONTO wikipedia that may or may not be factual? Yes Wikipedia tries to keep things factual but not always successful. If you go to Wikipedia you can find this:

An alternative traditional explanation, argyria (a disease causing a blue-grey skin tone after digestion of silver), is considered less valid, as table silverware was not yet regularly used by much of the nobility. Another explanation has also been put forward: methemoglobinemia, caused by in-breeding. Lacey explains the genesis of the blue blood concept:

It was the Spaniards who gave the world the notion that an aristocrat's blood is not red but blue. The Spanish nobility started taking shape around the ninth century in classic military fashion, occupying land as warriors on horseback. They were to continue the process for more than five hundred years, clawing back sections of the peninsula from its Moorish occupiers, and a nobleman demonstrated his pedigree by holding up his sword arm to display the filigree of blue-blooded veins beneath his pale skin—proof that his birth had not been contaminated by the dark-skinned enemy. ( Lacey, Aristocrats. Little, Brown and Company, 1983, p. 67)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobility

Is this what you mean by someone "doing their homework?"

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[Guest guest]

Jay,

I haven't used Mesosilver for extended period, but have used ionic silver that I

make for years without a problem.

First time was pneumonia in 2000, and then off and on since, then consistently

in large quantities for a couple of years beginning in 2006 when reinfected with

lyme and cos.

 

Carol Monroe

 

Nature doesn't judge. It's pure love, pure being, perfectly in the moment

because it's not thinking all the time. Isha Judd

 

 

 

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From: Jay A. Rovert <jay12@...>

lyme_Aid_Buhner

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 5:48:25 PM

Subject: [ ] Colloidal Silver

 

Has anybody tried Mesosilver for an extended period?

Jay

[Guest guest]

I don't recommend it. Best to use homeopathy and some nutritionals.

Liz

>

> Does anyone have any input if this would be benifical for treating swine flu

or regular flu?

>

[Guest guest]

Colloidal Silver works for over 650 different pathogens. It is best to use no

more than 20ppm though. It is cheap, works, and with the right equipment, one

can make it, although, it is easier to get it at the health food store, at least

while it is still available.

[Guest guest]

Colloidal Silver works for over 650 different pathogens. It is best to use no

more than 20ppm though. It is cheap, works, and with the right equipment, one

can make it, although, it is easier to get it at the health food store, at least

while it is still available.

[Guest guest]

I use some from R. .

This is the website. Click here: Welcome to RInc.com.

I find his service and products. He is very nice to talk to as well. He is trying to go into retirement. His son is taking over the business though and he seems to think nothing will change.

I recommend his product highly. I tried another few and each gave me a UTI. His product did not. And he makes it in a special way. Can't explain it, but I know it hasn't hurt me in any way.

Glowing, grace~

[Guest guest]

Mesosilver is one of top brands......

RE: [ ] Re: Buhner's Book

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> - CS ??

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> - Jen

>

[Guest guest]

Perhaps collidal silver and mesosilver are different. My understanding is

it's the size of the molecule as to how well it works.

nancy

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From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jay A. Rovert

Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:15 PM

Subject: [ ] Colloidal Silver

I drank 8-12 ounces/day of MesoSilver and felt NOTHING at all......There

is/was a group in NE who believe(d) in it & now they have relapsed. Two

gallons of unused sitting on my counter.

Jazzman

RE: [ ] Re: Buhner's Book

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> - CS ??

>

> - Jen

>

[Guest guest]

Mesosilver is one of the best commercial made CS on the market. Its around

90% nano to 10% ionic. The CS I make at home is just the opposite 10% nano

and 90% ionic. Both seem to work well from most other folks reports. I know

the homemade CS is definitely effective part of my wife's Chronic Lyme being

in remission.

> [ ] Colloidal Silver

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> I drank 8-12 ounces/day of MesoSilver and felt NOTHING at

> all......There is/was a group in NE who believe(d) in it &

> now they have relapsed. Two gallons of unused sitting on my counter.

> Jazzman

> RE: [ ] Re: Buhner's Book

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> >

> > - CS ??

> >

> > - Jen

> >

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[Guest guest]

My wife uses 12 ounces a day of homemade ionic CS. It was a life saver for

her. I wouldn't discount it so quickly.

12 ounces a day of MesoSilver would get expensive very quickly! How long did

you do this for?

Also a reminder I have a free lyme resource computer cd with this

information as well as lots more. You can get a copy at my website below. No

charge, not even postage if in US/Canada!

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

> [ ] Colloidal Silver

>

> I drank 8-12 ounces/day of MesoSilver and felt NOTHING at

> all......There is/was a group in NE who believe(d) in it &

> now they have relapsed. Two gallons of unused sitting on my counter.

> Jazzman

[Guest guest]

It's just another scam, just like the Rife machine and MMS. Neither one makes

any sense, certainly not for the bugs we are dealing with. Does anybody have

scientific evidence that any of these things works or has anybody ever been

cured? Just curious. Maud

On Sep 14, 2010, at 6:45 PM, Jay A. Rovert wrote:

> Mesosilver is one of top brands......

> RE: [ ] Re: Buhner's Book

>

> >

> > - CS ??

> >

> > - Jen

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi...I have used Meso Silver for a while. I use it per need. I found it

tremendously effective for all gut issues. I only use a tea spoon 4 times a day

for several days at at a time. I don't know how well it works systemically??? I

would use it daily, if i knew it was safe. But, there are is always controversy

about the metal building up in the kidney and the brain.

>

> Has anybody tried Mesosilver for an extended period?

> Jay

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately not a lot of actual lab research has been done on them. Though

more has been done with CS then rife.

But I can personally say I know a number of people (locally) that now have

their Chronic Lyme in total remission due to these items. I also have read

from many many others via the internet who give similar stories.

Their testimonies and many other protocol users are on my free lyme resource

CD.

Four years ago I was extremely skeptical about both of these and considered

them snake oil medicine! I am no longer skeptical.

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

> Re: [ ] Colloidal Silver

>

> It's just another scam, just like the Rife machine and MMS.

> Neither one makes any sense, certainly not for the bugs we

> are dealing with. Does anybody have scientific evidence that

> any of these things works or has anybody ever been cured?

> Just curious. Maud On Sep 14, 2010, at 6:45 PM, Jay A. Rovert wrote:

>

> > Mesosilver is one of top brands......

> > RE: [ ] Re: Buhner's Book

> >

> > >

> > > - CS ??

> > >

> > > - Jen

> > >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> It's just another scam, just like the Rife machine and MMS. Neither one makes

any sense, certainly not for the bugs we are dealing with. Does anybody have

scientific evidence that any of these things works or has anybody ever been

cured? Just curious. Maud

I wouldn't call them scams right away, but scientific support for using these

therapies is weak to non-existent.

There is historic experience using CS against spirochetes, and some very general

suggestions as to how this works (scientifically). My guess is that it can help,

but most people will not be cured from Lyme with CS (but you could say the same

for many ABX or herbal protocols).

For MMS and Rife I have never seen a convincing study that proves they work

against spirochetes, or a theory regarding how these protocols can (selectively)

kill Borrelia in the blood, tissues etc. That doesn't prove that they are scams,

but there is reason to be sceptical.

I agree with the 'believers' that science isn't the final word here. If you look

at the Buhner protocol, some of it is based on very 'unscientific' rules (e.g.

choosing an invasive plant like knotweed to battle an invasive bug). There is

loads of scientific research that explains why the Buhner herbs could work, but

no solid proof that they are effective against Borrelia infections.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Most protocols work for some people

at best, and you can't try all of them because of time / money constraints,

risks etc. Some people will choose the treatment that is scientifically

promising, others a therapy that worked for a close friend, or something with a

big online usergroup, and sometimes an expensive product with clever marketing

and zero credibility ...

[Guest guest]

I tried MMS as a guinea pig for my wife. I try all regimens before I would

even suggest them to her. Our take is it wasn't the right thing to be doing.

I am concerned about organ damage with long term MMS usage.

> [ ] Re: Colloidal Silver

>

>

>

>

> >

> > It's just another scam, just like the Rife machine and MMS.

> Neither

> > one makes any sense, certainly not for the bugs we are

> dealing with.

> > Does anybody have scientific evidence that any of these

> things works

> > or has anybody ever been cured? Just curious. Maud

>

> I wouldn't call them scams right away, but scientific support

> for using these therapies is weak to non-existent.

>

> There is historic experience using CS against spirochetes,

> and some very general suggestions as to how this works

> (scientifically). My guess is that it can help, but most

> people will not be cured from Lyme with CS (but you could say

> the same for many ABX or herbal protocols).

>

> For MMS and Rife I have never seen a convincing study that

> proves they work against spirochetes, or a theory regarding

> how these protocols can (selectively) kill Borrelia in the

> blood, tissues etc. That doesn't prove that they are scams,

> but there is reason to be sceptical.

>

> I agree with the 'believers' that science isn't the final

> word here. If you look at the Buhner protocol, some of it is

> based on very 'unscientific' rules (e.g. choosing an invasive

> plant like knotweed to battle an invasive bug). There is

> loads of scientific research that explains why the Buhner

> herbs could work, but no solid proof that they are effective

> against Borrelia infections.

>

> The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Most protocols

> work for some people at best, and you can't try all of them

> because of time / money constraints, risks etc. Some people

> will choose the treatment that is scientifically promising,

> others a therapy that worked for a close friend, or something

> with a big online usergroup, and sometimes an expensive

> product with clever marketing and zero credibility ...

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme

> Borreliosis And Its Coinfections by Buhner at one of

> these locations:

> http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d

>

>

[Guest guest]

I tried for 8 weeks, 8-12 ounces/day with no results at all...But I am a 20 year

guy & they never had any results for us 20 years vets......so I am not blaming,

just disappointed....

[ ] Re: Colloidal Silver

Hi...I have used Meso Silver for a while. I use it per need. I found it

tremendously effective for all gut issues. I only use a tea spoon 4 times a day

for several days at at a time. I don't know how well it works systemically??? I

would use it daily, if i knew it was safe. But, there are is always controversy

about the metal building up in the kidney and the brain.

>

> Has anybody tried Mesosilver for an extended period?

> Jay

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

That is amazing news & I am very happy for her. How long was she ill? My issue

is that I have had this since 80's.......and so far nothing has worked...but I

am on a new naturapathic prootocol & hopeful

Jazzman

RE: [ ] Re: Buhner's Book

>

> >

> > - CS ??

> >

> > - Jen

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

You can read more about her journey in the root folder on my free lyme

resource cd in the file " An Update on my wife's condition with Chronic

Lyme.txt "

She was infected approximately 4 years ago and we tried many different

regimens and protocols on her healing journey. I would first try things on

myself to see what could be expected from someone who did not have Chronic

Lyme. Then she would try them.

Today she is horse back riding, skiing, scuba diving and running a small

alternate health resource center.

www.VistaViewHealth.com

She has her life back.

I share all the information we collected in that journey. I.e. the free lyme

resource CD. Hoping it will provide the information to allow others to make

their own informed decisions!

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

> Re: [ ] Colloidal Silver

>

> ,

>

> That is amazing news & I am very happy for her. How long was

> she ill? My issue is that I have had this since

> 80's.......and so far nothing has worked...but I am on a new

> naturapathic prootocol & hopeful Jazzman

> RE: [ ] Re: Buhner's Book

> >

> > >

> > > - CS ??

> > >

> > > - Jen

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> She was infected approximately 4 years ago and we tried many different

> regimens and protocols on her healing journey.

IMHO that makes it impossible to say what was the real 'cure', as usually cure

takes some time to set in.

I think this problem exists with many chronic diseases, some people will recover

over time whatever treatment they use; it is often impossible to pinpoint where

the improvement of their condition is coming from.

[Guest guest]

That certainly can be true Knot_weed! But here we do pretty much know what

is the effective agent. As we did things systematically.

My wife was never one to mix many different protocols. She would do a

limited number of different ones and then remove items or add to see what

would work.

She went on salt/c protocol and symptoms reduced tremendously. She got off

the protocol and symptoms returned. She then tried CS in place of salt/c and

saw the same symptom reduction. The reason she stopped salt/c was she felt

the salt was a migraine trigger for her. She was right. Removing the salt

reduced the migraines. But the Lyme flared back up. Going on to CS alone she

found the lyme symptoms reduced to the same level as when she was on salt/c

Later she added rife and saw a further decrease in symptoms. This was the

first time that the pain in her feet finally vanished. She had that for 3+

years and none of the protocols ever helped reduce it. A week or so after

starting rife with CS the foot pains vanished

Now if she stops CS/Rife the symptoms return. Both lyme and the foot pain.

We know she isn't cured, but as long as she does her regimen the disease is

in remission. She stops, it returns. Its very obvious what is working for

her.

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

> [ ] Re: Colloidal Silver

>

>

>

>

> >

>

> > She was infected approximately 4 years ago and we tried

> many different

> > regimens and protocols on her healing journey.

>

> IMHO that makes it impossible to say what was the real

> 'cure', as usually cure takes some time to set in.

>

> I think this problem exists with many chronic diseases, some

> people will recover over time whatever treatment they use; it

> is often impossible to pinpoint where the improvement of

> their condition is coming from.

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

> Buy Healing Lyme: Natural Healing And Prevention of Lyme

> Borreliosis And Its Coinfections by Buhner at one of

> these locations:

> http://tinyurl.com/3bgm5d

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Now if she stops CS/Rife the symptoms return. Both lyme and the foot pain.

>

> We know she isn't cured, but as long as she does her regimen the disease is

> in remission. She stops, it returns. Its very obvious what is working for

> her.

OK, I agree in such a case you can say that it 'works', but only to treat

symptoms, not as a cure. And even then, you never know ... maybe the outcome of

the CS/rife would have been different if she hadn't started with the Salt/C

first ...

My problem with such 'treatments' is that maybe they are only treating the

symptoms, and not addressing the real cause. Which may be a bad idea in the long

run. Maybe the remission only means that symptoms are suppressed; I have the

impression that this applies for a lot of other 'alternative' Lyme treatments.

But of course, the same goes for some antibiotics like doxy (at less than 200

mg/daily). And sometimes treating symptoms instead of the disease (cause) itself

is the only option

[Guest guest]

Knotween,

Huh? Please explain the difference in ABX/ Colloidal etc in treating

" suppression " but not the cure.......I always feel you act more like a skeptical

lawyer rather than someone who is looking for a return to functionality........

Jazzman

[ ] Re: Colloidal Silver

>

> Now if she stops CS/Rife the symptoms return. Both lyme and the foot pain.

>

> We know she isn't cured, but as long as she does her regimen the disease is

> in remission. She stops, it returns. Its very obvious what is working for

> her.

OK, I agree in such a case you can say that it 'works', but only to treat

symptoms, not as a cure. And even then, you never know ... maybe the outcome of

the CS/rife would have been different if she hadn't started with the Salt/C

first ...

My problem with such 'treatments' is that maybe they are only treating the

symptoms, and not addressing the real cause. Which may be a bad idea in the long

run. Maybe the remission only means that symptoms are suppressed; I have the

impression that this applies for a lot of other 'alternative' Lyme treatments.

But of course, the same goes for some antibiotics like doxy (at less than 200

mg/daily). And sometimes treating symptoms instead of the disease (cause) itself

is the only option

[Guest guest]

Perhaps we are quibbling over nothing.

I totally agree there appears to be no cure. Wish I did know of one, but it

seems even one cyst or L-form missed means a flare-up will be possible.

Best thing about it is by removing her " symptoms " i.e. brain fog, joint

pain, fatigue etc etc she has regained her normal life. She is now horseback

riding, able to enjoying her grandkids, bike riding, skiing, skin diving,

running a home and a small business. (www.VistaViewHealth.com)

She believes it's in remission and not just removal of the symptoms. But

then isn't that what remission really is? The disease is not progressing and

you have none of the problems associated with it.

Like I said I think the difference here is moot. Remission or total removal

of symptoms and no further symptoms appearing. Both seem the same to me.

www.lyme-resource.com

You can lead a person to a fact, but you can't make them think! -

> [ ] Re: Colloidal Silver

>

>

>

>

> >

>

> > Now if she stops CS/Rife the symptoms return. Both lyme and

> the foot pain.

> >

> > We know she isn't cured, but as long as she does her regimen the

> > disease is in remission. She stops, it returns. Its very

> obvious what

> > is working for her.

>

> OK, I agree in such a case you can say that it 'works', but

> only to treat symptoms, not as a cure. And even then, you

> never know ... maybe the outcome of the CS/rife would have

> been different if she hadn't started with the Salt/C first ...

>

> My problem with such 'treatments' is that maybe they are only

> treating the symptoms, and not addressing the real cause.

> Which may be a bad idea in the long run. Maybe the remission

> only means that symptoms are suppressed; I have the

> impression that this applies for a lot of other 'alternative'

> Lyme treatments.

>

> But of course, the same goes for some antibiotics like doxy

> (at less than 200 mg/daily). And sometimes treating symptoms

> instead of the disease (cause) itself is the only option

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Knotween,

>

> Huh? Please explain the difference in ABX/ Colloidal etc in treating

" suppression " but not the cure.......I always feel you act more like a skeptical

lawyer rather than someone who is looking for a return to functionality........

The difference is that if one treats the cause, the disease can disappear for

good = cure. If one treats the symptoms, the disease (symptoms) will probably

come back (relapse) when treatment is stopped, because the cause is still

present.

Some types of ABX have been proven to kill most of the Borrelia (yes, we have

the additional problem of Bb survival forms and lymies with disfunctional immune

systems). Nothing like that has been proven for most alternative treatments. I

admit there is proof that CS is effective (less than ABX though) against

treponema spirochetes, so it may work against Bb as well.

If I had the choice I would fight the cause and not the symptoms. That's why I'm

looking at what these treatments are doing (or pretend to be doing).

[Guest guest]

>

> She believes it's in remission and not just removal of the symptoms. But

> then isn't that what remission really is? The disease is not progressing and

> you have none of the problems associated with it.

>

> Like I said I think the difference here is moot. Remission or total removal

> of symptoms and no further symptoms appearing. Both seem the same to me.

If the symptoms are gone and don't come back after treatment is stopped, yes - I

would consider that remission or cure. But that is not what I usually hear from

CS treatment for LD.