Surgery or Not?

[Guest guest]

On May 30, 2008, at 5:57 PM, Louise Hill wrote:

> My dad is almost 93 ( in July ) and has a rare form of what they

> called an aggressive cancer on his face that the elderly get.

I'm generally very opposed to doctors and surgery but I have to say my

90 yo Mom and 96 yo MIL both had some growths removed from their faces

on an outpatient basis and it seemed to go well and not be much of a

strain on them, though I don't know if you are talking about more

cutting and anesthesia or not.

Have you considered LDN? It is supposed to be helpful not only with

cancer but also with Parkinson's. It stabilizes conditions and

improves quality of life. As for sugar improving quality of life, if

you want to do alternative stuff and succeed you are going to have to

be willing to put him on a healthy diet, otherwise you may as well do

the mainstream things as you will sabotage whatever you are trying in

the alternative fields. Some forums to check out-

Budwig diet-

FlaxSeedOil2/

LDN- Low dose Naltrexone, immune system booster, stabilizer-

LDN_4_cancer/

[Guest guest]

This surgery is going to include staying at the hospital, this is not

skin cancer but a tumor under the skin on his face which might include

the bone and as for the diet he is living in an Independent living

facility which I have no control over their menu. I gave a list of

foods which were to be avoided but I have no idea for sure if my mom

is following the list. She has some memory problems as well as being

stubborn. They do have a CNA that is helping with my dad.

I am going to check out LDN and the rest on the list. Thanks a lot.

On May 31, 2008, at 7:45 AM, Tad Winiecki wrote:

.... Some forums to check out- Budwig diet-

> FlaxSeedOil2/

>

> LDN- Low dose Naltrexone, immune system booster, stabilizer-

> LDN_4_cancer/

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry that I didn't explain that this is not a form of skin cancer

but a tumor under the skin. Will the creams still be effective for

this type of cancer?

Thanks, I appreciate the help.

Louise

jonathan chamberlain wrote:

> Louise

I agree with you. Surgery at 93? Crazy. There is a cream called

> Curaderm that may be helpful - see www.curaderm.net. There is also a PDQ

cream (www.behealed.biz) and Raspec SPF-30 skin gel. Maybe these could be

beneficial - also vitamin C in a paste, magnesium chloride oil, cesium mixed

with DMSO and/or iodine put directly on the skin tumour - also I personally

would take a multiple trace mineral liquid supplement and miracle mineral

supplement (which

> unfortunately doesn't taste too good. These would all be beneficial in some

way

[Guest guest]

Hello All,

I have been reading the posts here for a few days now, and thought I would post

my situation to see if anyone has had a similar experience or if anyone has some

pointers.

In May I was diagnosed with uterine cancer (with cervical involvement). My Gyn

told me I should have a radical hysterectomy followed by possible chemo and

radiation, but here it is August and I still haven't had any surgery or any

treatment at all.

I already knew a bit about natural cancer cures since my Father had cancer a

couple of years, and I did some research online for him, therefore, I had

already read about the Politics of Cancer and how the Conventional way isn't

always the way to go.

Well, I just figured I would put off the conventional treatment for a few weeks

while I changed my diet and lifestyle. I have been following the Bill

protocol, which includes:

FO/CC (part of the Budwig diet)

Barley Greens

Vitamins

Beta Glucans

Vitamin C, L-Lysine & L-Proline

Diet Change and Exercise

After almost 3 months of following this regimen, I still have the symptoms I had

to begin with (cramps and bleeding), although they are better than before.

I can't seem to find much information on uterine cancer as far as naturopathic

medicine goes, and just can't make a determination whether or not to just have

the hysterectomy.

I have an appointment with a Gyn Oncologist tomorrow and I know she is going to

try to talk me into having the surgery asap. My husband is making me go see the

good Dr., and there's no way I can get out of it, but I'm wondering if I am

doing the right thing even considering surgery.

My Gyn had me come into to see him a couple of weeks ago to yell at me for not

seeing the Oncologist yet. He even waived his fee so that I would come in and

talk with him. He says that most uterine cancers can be cured if surgery is done

soon enough. He says that if I don't have the surgery, the cancer will

eventually spread.

He knows I am trying natural things, and he says it's a good thing BUT I still

need the surgery.

I have read so many times how it's best to try the natural methods BEFORE you

resort to surgery and other conventional methods, and that once you use

conventional methods, you are compromised as far as the immune system goes.

I have also read where surgery is NOT advised unless there is some sort of

blockage or urgent, life-threatening reason to have it. Well, my Dr. is making

me feel as though it is urgent.

I so wanted to hold out and just go the natural way, but I feel like my back is

against the wall now.

Thank you in advance for any replies.

[Guest guest]

.. I wouldn't presume to tell you what to do in this situation but, I

honestly can't see where it would hurt to 'debulk' the body of the offending

cancer. Your alternative treatments mite find it easier going (artemisinin,

PolyMva, proctocel, avemar, graviola, essiac, etc..) I have heard that chemo &

radiation can make cancer more resistant to natural remedies, but never heard

that about surgery. Course, I haven't read everything out there and a concern

would be mets from the surgery. I had breast cancer 3 yrs ago, did the

lumpectomy & refused further treatment so I kinda know what you are feeling.

But uterine cancer is nothing to fool around with.

To make an informed decision, I guess you need to find out how far along this

is. How are you feeling now? You should be fatigued, losing weight, etc. by now

so.. if not, maybe your efforts are beginning to pay off. Your fight is gonna be

after the surgery (if you decide to go thru with it) when your doctors are gonna

want to radiate you or put you on chemo. Hopefully, someone on here has had some

experience or been in a similar situation as yours & can share. Do your

homework, child... read, educate your self & build up your immune system. Don't

let them bully you but do try to be smart about this. Good luck & God bless...

and let us hear how it goes. Lola

" choward7709 " <choward@...> wrote:

>

....In May I was diagnosed with uterine cancer (with cervical involvement). My

Gyn told me I should have a radical hysterectomy followed by possible chemo and

radiation, but here it is August and I still haven't had any surgery or any

treatment at all....

....Well, I just figured I would put off the conventional treatment for a few

weeks while I changed my diet and lifestyle. I have been following the Bill

protocol, which includes:

>

> FO/CC (part of the Budwig diet)

> Barley Greens

> Vitamins

> Beta Glucans

> Vitamin C, L-Lysine & L-Proline

> Diet Change and Exercise

>

> After almost 3 months of following this regimen, I still have the symptoms I

had to begin with (cramps and bleeding), although they are better than

before.........

[Guest guest]

i know of something that i know helped many people with cancer. even tho our

government stops the people who make the product from saying it will help cure

cancer. since its not a drug it can't cure! so they want us to think. i've seen

it work and heard others tell there story's.

if the government is to read this im not directly tied to the company or

product/sales in any way shape or form. other than the fact i know it works!

please try this and let us all know how you do..

product name

minrasol

a natural plant derived mineral supplement

call mr. clark@

hub research

1 888-466-0056

just remember he can't and wont say that it can or will help. but i know first

hand it well worth a try. and that your life is worth the little amount of money

it costs. taste is not the best, but wont linger, and it worth it! comes in

quarts and gallon. not bad at all in juice.

..

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You might want to ask your MuDrs to clearly state the risks associated

with hysterectomy, especially when performed to contain cancer.

I have pulled a few references (below) because my wife is going for a

biopsy of the uterus next week and so I may be doing her homework here.

It is a major surgery with fairly high risk in your category. There are

other risks, like weakening of your immune system from the anesthetics,

infections etc. and an increased chance of metastasizing and incurring

consequent cancers.

I am not here to tell you what you should do. That is in your hands. But

any honest person should at least tell you where their expertise comes

from, before that person tell you what you should do. Unless that person

knows no more than you do, tell him/her to tell their stories to a

horse, as it has a bigger head, relatives or doctors. Facts my dear, not

propaganda are relevant.

Timely homework is a great help with everything.

With kind regards, Slavek

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16431324

Quote

" Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology, the Sir Mortimer B.

-Jewish General Hospital, McGill University, Montreal, Quebec,

Canada.

STUDY OBJECTIVE: To audit morbidity and mortality rates of laparoscopic,

abdominal, and vaginal hysterectomy. DESIGN: Retrospective review of

monthly morbidity and mortality rates (Canadian Task Force

classification II-2). SETTING: University teaching hospital. PATIENTS:

One thousand seven hundred ninety-two women who underwent hysterectomy

for benign, nonobstetric indications at the Sir Mortimer B. -Jewish

General Hospital. INTERVENTIONS: Laparoscopic supracervical (LASH),

vaginal (VH), and abdominal (AH) hysterectomies. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES:

Morbidity outcomes of different types of hysterectomy. Reoperation,

admission to the intensive care unit, discordant diagnosis, and

prolonged hospitalization also were evaluated. RESULTS: We studied 223

cases of LASH, 1349 AH, and 220 VH. The overall hysterectomy-related

morbidity rate was 6.1%. The rate of morbidity was higher in the LASH

group (9.4%) than in the AH group (5.2%, p <.01), but no significant

difference was noted between AH and VH (8.6%). The incidence of

intraoperative bowel injury was 0.4% in the LASH group (a trocar injury

in a patient) and 0.3% in the AH group. Bladder injury was encountered

in two patients in the LASH group (0.9%) and in another two in the AH

group (0.1%). Ureteral injury occurred in a patient in the AH group

(0.07%). There were no cases of intraoperative vascular injury. Vaginal

hysterectomy was associated with more urinary retention and hematoma

formation than the other two groups. Discordant diagnosis was noted in

four cases (two missed endometrial cancer, atonic and distended bladder

mistaken for an ovarian cyst, and pelvic tuberculosis). The conversion

rate to laparotomy was 1.7% in the LASH group and 0.4% in the VH group,

and the incidence of reoperation was 0.4% in the AH group. CONCLUSIONS:

The overall hysterectomy-related morbidity rate in our series is 6.1%.

Compared with other types of hysterectomy, more urinary retention and

hematoma formation occur after VH. Laparoscopic supracervical

hysterectomy is associated with a higher morbidity rate than AH; mainly

because of conversion to laparotomy and blood transfusion. "

Unquote

http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/full/8/11/999

Quote

" A history of hysterectomy was a statistically significant risk factor

for renal cell carcinoma (Table 1)Citation . Compared with women with an

intact uterus, hysterectomized women experienced an 80% excess risk of

renal cell carcinoma (95% CI, 1.3–2.5). This elevation in risk was not

influenced by age at surgery; irrespective of the subject’s age when the

operation was performed, the increase in risk was 60–100% above the

baseline. Similarly, there was no clear indication that risk either

increased or decreased systematically by the time interval between

hysterectomy and cancer diagnosis, although the risk estimate in women

whose operations occurred within the last 10 years (OR, 2.2; 95% CI,

1.2–3.9) was higher than those in women whose operation occurred in the

more distant past (OR, 1.9; 95% CI, 0.98–3.7). Results were similar

after adjustment for the potentially confounding effects of other risk

factors for renal cell carcinoma identified in this study (Table

1)Citation .

Unquote

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m4149/is_n6_v30/ai_18173759/

Quote

" Because of the large number of hysterectomies performed on women each

year with the associated morbidity, mortality, and cost of the

operation, this procedure may have important quality of care

implications. The overall mortality rate is about 22 per 10,000. This

figure varies substantially based on the indication for hysterectomy:

from 6-11 deaths per 10,000 for indications not involving cancer or

pregnancy, to 29-38 deaths per 10,000 for pregnancy-associated

indications, to 70-200 per 10,000 when the diagnosis is associated with

cancer. The risk of mortality also increases with age; a 65-year-old

woman undergoing a hysterectomy has more than double the average risk of

mortality (Bernstein, McGlynn, Siu, et al. 1993; Wingo, Huezo, Rubin et

al. 1985). "

Unquote

choward7709 wrote:

>

>

>

> Hello All,

>

> I have been reading the posts here for a few days now, and thought I

> would post my situation to see if anyone has had a similar experience

> or if anyone has some pointers.

>

> In May I was diagnosed with uterine cancer (with cervical involvement)

> . My Gyn told me I should have a radical hysterectomy followed by

> possible chemo and radiation, but here it is August and I still

> haven't had any surgery or any treatment at all.

Snip

[Guest guest]

Hi Lola,

Thanks for your help.

You mentioned that you had breast cancer surgery 3 years ago and refused other

treatment. Are you now cancer-free? And what natural methods did you use in

place of the conventional ones?

I did go to the oncologist yesterday, and just as I suspected, she looked at me

like I was from Mars when I told here I was not going to be having any radiation

or chemo. In fact, I think she was rather put out with me.

She mentioned that she doesn't know what my outcome will be, having just the

surgery, since I am opting to receive " sub-standard " treatment.

Not only did I tell her NO rads and NO chemo, but I also told her not to touch

my colon or my bladder!

Anyway, I am sitting here now getting ready to call her office and make the

appt. for the hysterectomy. I think I have come to the end of the line as far as

just using totally natural methods, since I still have some of the symptoms, and

I'm just tired of having them.

Thank you also for the suggestions on things to try for my cancer. As for the

Graviola, I have been reading that Paw Paw is much more effective and I have

ordered some. I also bought some essiac, although it was actually called Prairie

Tea. Haven't had a taste of it yet, but it was a pain to make!

I am going to keep doing everything I can to strengthen my immune system so I

can survive the surgery. I have lost 30 lbs. since my diagnosis, but it is

mainly because I have totally changed my diet and I started walking two miles a

day. I really needed to lose that weight, and it probably contributed to my

current condition.

I do have to remember not to let them bully me around, so thanks for that

encouragement as well.

> >

> ...In May I was diagnosed with uterine cancer (with cervical involvement). My

Gyn told me I should have a radical hysterectomy followed by possible chemo and

radiation, but here it is August and I still haven't had any surgery or any

treatment at all....

> ...Well, I just figured I would put off the conventional treatment for a few

weeks while I changed my diet and lifestyle. I have been following the Bill

protocol, which includes:

> >

> > FO/CC (part of the Budwig diet)

> > Barley Greens

> > Vitamins

> > Beta Glucans

> > Vitamin C, L-Lysine & L-Proline

> > Diet Change and Exercise

> >

> > After almost 3 months of following this regimen, I still have the symptoms I

had to begin with (cramps and bleeding), although they are better than

before.........

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tommy,

Thanks for the info. I am already taking minerals -

Concentrace LiquMins. I will look and see if his are

different or better. Do you know the best place

to order it?

>

> i know of something that i know helped many people with cancer. even tho our

government stops the people who make the product from saying it will help cure

cancer. since its not a drug it can't cure! so they want us to think. i've seen

it work and heard others tell there story's.

> if the government is to read this im not directly tied to the company or

product/sales in any way shape or form. other than the fact i know it works!

>

> please try this and let us all know how you do..

> product name

> minrasol

>

> a natural plant derived mineral supplement

>

> call mr. clark@

> hub research

> 1 888-466-0056

> just remember he can't and wont say that it can or will help. but i know first

hand it well worth a try. and that your life is worth the little amount of money

it costs. taste is not the best, but wont linger, and it worth it! comes in

quarts and gallon. not bad at all in juice.

> .

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Slavek,

Thank you for the information. I do hate statistics, but I read them anyway. I

guess it's time to do some things I'm not too fond of.

My oncologist came out and told me, point blank, that if I don't have the

surgery, my cancer will kill me (not to scare me, of course).

I understand where she's coming from, and I'm sure she truly believes what she

said, but it is starting to scare me too. I am ready to make the appointment for

the surgery (it will be the Abdominal type).

I'm only 54 and in good health otherwise, so all should go well. However, I so

wish I could have been the Poster Girl for Alternative Medicine.

Perhaps I just didn't try the best regimen. There's probably just the right

thing out there that would help me, but I don't have time to try everything

under the sun to see what will do the trick.

It seems that Alternative Medicine is mostly for people who have exhausted

Allopathic remedies, at least when it comes to Cancer. The " Fear Factor " is just

too great to wait or mess around.

slavek krepelka wrote:

>

> Hi ,

>

> You might want to ask your MuDrs to clearly state the risks associated

> with hysterectomy, especially when performed to contain cancer.

>

> I have pulled a few references (below) because my wife is going for a

> biopsy of the uterus next week and so I may be doing her homework

here..................

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Yes, I had breast cancer. I found the lump 12/20/05 & had biopsy/dx, 1/18/06 &

first surgery was 3/06. Didn't see an oncologist until 5/07, and then, just for

ckups & refused any additional treatment, even estrogen blockers (I take DIM).

Because of the lag time between dx & surgery, almost 3 mos, it gave me time to

try other things. I kept a diary and it was scary, the wt loss, exhaustion,

nite sweats, etc. I used Avemar, Noni, RM10, AHCC-Immpower, some polymva (stuff

is waaaayyy pricey) and especially cut out all sugar. Also did the Cayce castor

oil packs & Spring Forest Qi Gong. It was winter, so not much else done in the

way of exercise. Tried to eat properly etc. Anyhow, weight loss stopped (that

was so scary), started feeling better, no longer felt 'funny' when I ate. I did

go thru a 'crisis' about the middle of February, terrible upset gut. I have

continued with everything with very little change since my surgeries which ended

Mar. 07 except I have added artemisinin & 4000 units of vit d-3 & Willard Water

from Nutrition Coalition. Always on the lookout & read up on any legit cancer

therapies.. lol... even some not so legit therapies (maple syrup/baking soda.

So, my oncologist says I am cancer free but after having this you never think it

is really gone.

I don't know what to tell you , you scare me a little. You don't know

how extensive the cancer is?? haven't had an mri or anything? Just be sure your

surgeon is really, really good. God bless & 'holler' at me if I can help in any

way. Lola

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I just wanted you to have an idea what is out there. As I said in

another post, you have to make a decision and follow it without looking

back.

Scared? I was scared a few times in my life, even panicked once, but

that has been a few decades ago. Fear is a bad advisor and in the end,

we have nothing to fear, not even the fear itself. Fear is destructive.

I can't go into the explanations here, but fear is a chaos in the soul,

body and mind and just about the only " thing " which hurts us

individually as well as collectively, it is our only enemy. Yet, it can

be overcome with a decision, as long as we have the will to make it.

Hold your head high, take a deep breath, do what you have decided to do

and look ahead, because what is behind is much less relevant than what

is ahead and you might miss something in front of you. Banning the fear

is one of the most rewarding feelings you can ever experience, because

it leads us to love, to harmony, it is a balm to all of you, your soul,

body and mind.

I certainly wish that all goes well for you and the odds are that it

will. Get rid of fear and your odds will still improve dramatically.

Good luck and keep in touch with us. We want to hear another happy and

definitely not end, OK?

Hope this may cheer you up.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/slavek.krepelka/art/pordand.htm

With kind regards, Slavek

choward7709 wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi Slavek,

>

> Thank you for the information. I do hate statistics, but I read them

> anyway. I guess it's time to do some things I'm not too fond of.

[Guest guest]

(Edited by moderator to eliminate extra posts. Please remember to trim your

posts.)

the clarks have been making there product since 1926.. grandpa bought from

them.. far as i know they were the first to make the stuff. i've tried afew

others and have found that most charge more for less.. funny thing is that

people think that they get a better product if the pay 80-100 a gallon. this is

not true with these folks! great product without breaking the bank.

>

> Hi Tommy,

>

> Thanks for the info. I am already taking minerals -

> Concentrace LiquMins. I will look and see if his are

> different or better. Do you know the best place

> to order it?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I make sure i dont eat anything after 6pm and drink lots of water between

then and bed time

and if i do,,, thats what i have started to do as well drink some water and

cough really hard and

get up stuck stuff, no more problems at night

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that Ray,

That's a lot of water.

I too have been getting up at night over the last decade.

I take it you are trying to avoid HM. I may give that a try although the fact

that I am experiencing something quite different after actually improving over

the years is concerning. Last night I did drink quite a bit as I found the

peanuts I ate didn't want to go dowm. Just made the burning worse.

The problem with this condition is that there are so many varying problems.

Jack

> >

> > Hi All,

> > Though I've been reading the posts for a while, I just joined after my

recent experience.

> >

> > I have had achalasia since the late 90's. Had dilation in 2000 which

significantly eased the swallowing requiring a water push down only every 8

bites or so. Am able to eat everything but several foods are a bit tougher to

get down. The swallowing has not deteriorated since.

> >

> > The big problem is heartburn. First 8 years or so had bad heartburn 3-6+

times per month during evenings lasting 4-6 hours despite taking Losec. Went

off Losec on to Ranitidine at suggestion of doctors who didn't like what they

saw with kidney testing. Also ended up feeling I had to urinate several times

before bedtime. Ranitidine eased that problem but I have no idea if it eased the

heartburn.

> >

> > The heartburn has eased over the last several years both in intensity,

frequency and duration…until several months ago. Something took place and I find

myself with regular mild heartburn which at least I can sleep through. However

not a great way to live. Strangely I took a half of a sleeping pill several

nights ago and had no heartburn for a few days. Since then it has returned but

still mild and less frequently.

> >

> > I have read many of the posts on HM and I feel there is a good chance my

lifestyle could deteriorate further as so many have had all sorts of problems in

the long (and occasionally short) term. Understand a properly executed Dor

could help relieve the reflux problem but worried about other outcomes which I

currently don't experience.

> >

> > Very little said here about Ranitidine when compared to anti depressants and

the like.Don't know whether I should start taking them as I have only heard

about the relief they offer snce reading the posts.

> >

> > Am heading off to the surgeon tomorrow but don't expect much help other than

a recomendation for surgery.

> >

> > Anypne out there have similar problems or any suggestions.

> >

> > Thanks, Jack

> >

>

[Guest guest]

that's got to be good for the waistline as well...you haven't ID'd any specific

foods that gave you the heartburn?

Jack

Ps...it would be nice to hear from those who had gone through the op some years

ago without subsequent problems...since heartburn is the only issue I would like

to avoid the HM.

It would also appear the relatively new procedure POEM may be less invasive.

>

> I make sure i dont eat anything after 6pm and drink lots of water between

> then and bed time

> and if i do,,, thats what i have started to do as well drink some water and

> cough really hard and

> get up stuck stuff, no more problems at night

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jack wrote:

>I may give that a try although the fact that I am experiencing something quite

different >after actually improving over the years is concerning. Last night I

did drink quite a bit as I >found the peanuts I ate didn't want to go dowm. Just

made the burning worse.

>The problem with this condition is that there are so many varying problems.

 

The improving could be due to the fact, that your esophagus is getting more

distended. You could then eat " better " , but the food will stay longer in your

esophagus. Have you had a Barium swallow recently? If your esophagus widens, a

HM might be as well indicated.

Your " reflux " could be rotting food in the esophagus, therefore PPI and

Ranitidin would not help much. To check for that, a ph-Measurement would give

the answer.

 

a

[Guest guest]

Jack:

From my personal experience, my heartburn is either caused by certain foods

and/or can sometimes can be stress related. I try to stay away from things like

coffee, orange juice and the likes, chocolate, caffeinated beverages, beef

(which I eat it in small portions once in a blue as it takes awhile to

digest)and pastry icing, just to name a few. Since then, my heartburn has

decreased significantly and I would sometimes go a couple weeks without an issue

until I slip up.

Drinking water first thing in the morning and last thing before I go to sleep

also seems to help a bit.

Hope this these suggestions help.

Sincerely,

Kwame

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

>

> Hi All,

> Though I've been reading the posts for a while, I just joined after my recent

experience.

>

> I have had achalasia since the late 90's. Had dilation in 2000 which

significantly eased the swallowing requiring a water push down only every 8

bites or so. Am able to eat everything but several foods are a bit tougher to

get down. The swallowing has not deteriorated since.

>

> The big problem is heartburn. First 8 years or so had bad heartburn 3-6+ times

per month during evenings lasting 4-6 hours despite taking Losec. Went off

Losec on to Ranitidine at suggestion of doctors who didn't like what they saw

with kidney testing. Also ended up feeling I had to urinate several times before

bedtime. Ranitidine eased that problem but I have no idea if it eased the

heartburn.

>

> The heartburn has eased over the last several years both in intensity,

frequency and duration…until several months ago. Something took place and I find

myself with regular mild heartburn which at least I can sleep through. However

not a great way to live. Strangely I took a half of a sleeping pill several

nights ago and had no heartburn for a few days. Since then it has returned but

still mild and less frequently.

>

> I have read many of the posts on HM and I feel there is a good chance my

lifestyle could deteriorate further as so many have had all sorts of problems in

the long (and occasionally short) term. Understand a properly executed Dor

could help relieve the reflux problem but worried about other outcomes which I

currently don't experience.

>

> Very little said here about Ranitidine when compared to anti depressants and

the like.Don't know whether I should start taking them as I have only heard

about the relief they offer snce reading the posts.

>

> Am heading off to the surgeon tomorrow but don't expect much help other than a

recomendation for surgery.

>

> Anypne out there have similar problems or any suggestions.

>

> Thanks, Jack

>

[Guest guest]

>peanuts

Jack

Realy do you eat peanuts? I would never try something like that.

I eat toasted bread,things covered with butter or pasta with a cream sauce.

Also cerial with a lot of fiber and Lactaid 4 % milk. Mostly thin

soup with addition pasta with a lot of fiber.

Yes at my age a HM never. I might consider a dilation. I had a heart bypass 15

years ago so stay drom Doctors.

Ray CA OC 81

> > >

> > > Hi All,

> > > Though I've been reading the posts for a while, I just joined after my

recent experience.

> > >

> > > I have had achalasia since the late 90's. Had dilation in 2000 which

significantly eased the swallowing requiring a water push down only every 8

bites or so. Am able to eat everything but several foods are a bit tougher to

get down. The swallowing has not deteriorated since.

> > >

> > > The big problem is heartburn. First 8 years or so had bad heartburn 3-6+

times per month during evenings lasting 4-6 hours despite taking Losec. Went

off Losec on to Ranitidine at suggestion of doctors who didn't like what they

saw with kidney testing. Also ended up feeling I had to urinate several times

before bedtime. Ranitidine eased that problem but I have no idea if it eased the

heartburn.

> > >

> > > The heartburn has eased over the last several years both in intensity,

frequency and duration…until several months ago. Something took place and I find

myself with regular mild heartburn which at least I can sleep through. However

not a great way to live. Strangely I took a half of a sleeping pill several

nights ago and had no heartburn for a few days. Since then it has returned but

still mild and less frequently.

> > >

> > > I have read many of the posts on HM and I feel there is a good chance my

lifestyle could deteriorate further as so many have had all sorts of problems in

the long (and occasionally short) term. Understand a properly executed Dor

could help relieve the reflux problem but worried about other outcomes which I

currently don't experience.

> > >

> > > Very little said here about Ranitidine when compared to anti depressants

and the like.Don't know whether I should start taking them as I have only heard

about the relief they offer snce reading the posts.

> > >

> > > Am heading off to the surgeon tomorrow but don't expect much help other

than a recomendation for surgery.

> > >

> > > Anypne out there have similar problems or any suggestions.

> > >

> > > Thanks, Jack

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I had heartburn from the moment I conceived in 1963 until my Hellers

Myotomy and Dor's Fundoplication in 2009. It was the wrap that did the trick for

heartburn. It was the best blessing from the surgery. Worth exploring!!!

in Santa Barbara

In a message dated 5/29/2012 9:29:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,

kwamenurs3@... writes:

Jack:

From my personal experience, my heartburn is either caused by certain

foods and/or can sometimes can be stress related. I try to stay away from

things like coffee, orange juice and the likes, chocolate, caffeinated

beverages, beef (which I eat it in small portions once in a blue as it takes

awhile

to digest)and pastry icing, just to name a few. Since then, my heartburn

has decreased significantly and I would sometimes go a couple weeks without

an issue until I slip up.

Drinking water first thing in the morning and last thing before I go to

sleep also seems to help a bit.

Hope this these suggestions help.

Sincerely,

Kwame

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

>

> Hi All,

> Though I've been reading the posts for a while, I just joined after my

recent experience.

>

> I have had achalasia since the late 90's. Had dilation in 2000 which

significantly eased the swallowing requiring a water push down only every 8

bites or so. Am able to eat everything but several foods are a bit tougher to

get down. The swallowing has not deteriorated since.

>

> The big problem is heartburn. First 8 years or so had bad heartburn 3-6+

times per month during evenings lasting 4-6 hours despite taking Losec.

Went off Losec on to Ranitidine at suggestion of doctors who didn't like what

they saw with kidney testing. Also ended up feeling I had to urinate

several times before bedtime. Ranitidine eased that problem but I have no idea

if it eased the heartburn.

>

> The heartburn has eased over the last several years both in intensity,

frequency and duration…until several months ago. Something took place and I

find myself with regular mild heartburn which at least I can sleep through.

However not a great way to live. Strangely I took a half of a sleeping

pill several nights ago and had no heartburn for a few days. Since then it has

returned but still mild and less frequently.

>

> I have read many of the posts on HM and I feel there is a good chance my

lifestyle could deteriorate further as so many have had all sorts of

problems in the long (and occasionally short) term. Understand a properly

executed Dor could help relieve the reflux problem but worried about other

outcomes which I currently don't experience.

>

> Very little said here about Ranitidine when compared to anti depressants

and the like.Don't know whether I should start taking them as I have only

heard about the relief they offer snce reading the posts.

>

> Am heading off to the surgeon tomorrow but don't expect much help other

than a recomendation for surgery.

>

> Anypne out there have similar problems or any suggestions.

>

> Thanks, Jack

>

[Guest guest]

Ray, Strange thing is that I've never had a swallowing problem for any foods as

long as that glass of water was present.

Went to see the surgoen yesterday and he agreed about HM especially given that

heartburn is the only major problem. He's going to do another probe in the next

few weeks.

> > > >

> > > > Hi All,

> > > > Though I've been reading the posts for a while, I just joined after my

recent experience.

> > > >

> > > > I have had achalasia since the late 90's. Had dilation in 2000 which

significantly eased the swallowing requiring a water push down only every 8

bites or so. Am able to eat everything but several foods are a bit tougher to

get down. The swallowing has not deteriorated since.

> > > >

> > > > The big problem is heartburn. First 8 years or so had bad heartburn 3-6+

times per month during evenings lasting 4-6 hours despite taking Losec. Went

off Losec on to Ranitidine at suggestion of doctors who didn't like what they

saw with kidney testing. Also ended up feeling I had to urinate several times

before bedtime. Ranitidine eased that problem but I have no idea if it eased the

heartburn.

> > > >

> > > > The heartburn has eased over the last several years both in intensity,

frequency and duration…until several months ago. Something took place and I find

myself with regular mild heartburn which at least I can sleep through. However

not a great way to live. Strangely I took a half of a sleeping pill several

nights ago and had no heartburn for a few days. Since then it has returned but

still mild and less frequently.

> > > >

> > > > I have read many of the posts on HM and I feel there is a good chance

my lifestyle could deteriorate further as so many have had all sorts of problems

in the long (and occasionally short) term. Understand a properly executed Dor

could help relieve the reflux problem but worried about other outcomes which I

currently don't experience.

> > > >

> > > > Very little said here about Ranitidine when compared to anti depressants

and the like.Don't know whether I should start taking them as I have only heard

about the relief they offer snce reading the posts.

> > > >

> > > > Am heading off to the surgeon tomorrow but don't expect much help other

than a recomendation for surgery.

> > > >

> > > > Anypne out there have similar problems or any suggestions.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks, Jack

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that Kwame...you've just knocked out 80% of my diet although I'm not

a coffee drinker and the beef down here in NZ is not as good as it was in

Cananda where I'm from.

You're the lucky one . Even my surgeon recently suggested that with surgery

it's unlikely I'll get rid of the heartburn. The strange thing is how it turned

in the last few months to once or twice a month and somewhat strong to a milder

but on a much more regular basis. I'd rather be kept up for a few hours

occasionally than feel it just about every day off and on.

Jack

> >

> > Hi All,

> > Though I've been reading the posts for a while, I just joined after my

> recent experience.

> >

> > I have had achalasia since the late 90's. Had dilation in 2000 which

> significantly eased the swallowing requiring a water push down only every 8

> bites or so. Am able to eat everything but several foods are a bit tougher to

> get down. The swallowing has not deteriorated since.

> >

> > The big problem is heartburn. First 8 years or so had bad heartburn 3-6+

> times per month during evenings lasting 4-6 hours despite taking Losec.

> Went off Losec on to Ranitidine at suggestion of doctors who didn't like what

> they saw with kidney testing. Also ended up feeling I had to urinate

> several times before bedtime. Ranitidine eased that problem but I have no

idea

> if it eased the heartburn.

> >

> > The heartburn has eased over the last several years both in intensity,

> frequency and duration…until several months ago. Something took place and I

> find myself with regular mild heartburn which at least I can sleep through.

> However not a great way to live. Strangely I took a half of a sleeping

> pill several nights ago and had no heartburn for a few days. Since then it

has

> returned but still mild and less frequently.

> >

> > I have read many of the posts on HM and I feel there is a good chance my

> lifestyle could deteriorate further as so many have had all sorts of

> problems in the long (and occasionally short) term. Understand a properly

> executed Dor could help relieve the reflux problem but worried about other

> outcomes which I currently don't experience.

> >

> > Very little said here about Ranitidine when compared to anti depressants

> and the like.Don't know whether I should start taking them as I have only

> heard about the relief they offer snce reading the posts.

> >

> > Am heading off to the surgeon tomorrow but don't expect much help other

> than a recomendation for surgery.

> >

> > Anypne out there have similar problems or any suggestions.

> >

> > Thanks, Jack

> >

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