Re: ? - every other night DMSA supps/ALA

[Guest guest]

It wouldn't hurt for you to read Amalgam Illness, and it is a handy

reference, not just for chelation.

http://www.noamalgam.com/

Ask Dr Geier about this thoughts on the redistribution of heavy metals

via chelation.

soapforum wrote:

>

> Miralax, magnesium, and everything else we tried over the years did

> not help with the constipation. Vitamin C, however, worked very well

> within one week.

>

> Dr. Culter has been very generous and respectful of my inquiries and

> I am grateful to him for his time and for his efforts in helping all

> of our children.

>

> Thanks.

>

>

> >

> > You want to try magnesium for the constipation.

> >

> > No one here is going to help you to use ALA. If you continue on

> this dangerous

> > path you are on your own.

> >

> > Dave.

> > --------------

> > Posted by: " soapforum " soapforum@... soapforum

> > Date: Fri May 30, 2008 10:11 am ((PDT))

> >

> > I would prefer to hear that from him. That's why I'm here. No

> > offense. Our child is an adult and is used to rectal meds,

> > especially Diastat for seizures, and glycerin to help with BMs prior

> > to us learning about increasing vitamin C to alleviate constipation.

> > The suppositories are tolerated well, the labs are normal, there has

> > been improvement - no signs of discomfort, so we are not worried

> > about the dose or the administration. We just want to add ALA.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Perhaps you should consider asking the physicians that you trust how

they think you should dose the ALA.

It's quite apparent that Andy disagrees heartily with what your

professionals recommend; given that, and that you have a lot of faith

in those physicians, why wouldn't you just turn to the people who are

choosing your protocol instead of asking someone whose opinion you

don't particularly trust, and whose reasoning you don't particularly

agree with?

And by the way, I don't think there's any simple such thing as being

educated about mercury. There's a lot of disagreement and contention.

Andy has already said that he thinks you're damaging your kid. Your

provider thinks he is helping. They're both " educated about mercury

poisoning " to the extent that they have done some reading and thinking

about it. Yet they disagree, and you have to either evaluate for

yourself whose thinking makes more sense, or else just pick who you

think is more trustworthy or whatever criteria you use.

>

> I don't have any respect for clinicians, pediatricians or pediatric

> doctors who won't educate themselves about mercury poisoning. There

> are some doctors who have taken the time to educate themselves about

> this and their patients, and thankfully our doctors fit into this

> group.

>

> Thanks.

>

[Guest guest]

In our house we did not get rid of constipation until we treated my

son's gut yeast problem. We didn't even know he had it, until I began

looking into it and realized he has symptoms. To this day, if he gets

too yeasty and we don't treat it, the constipation reappears.

- In , " soapforum " <soapforum@...> wrote:

>

> Miralax, magnesium, and everything else we tried over the years did

> not help with the constipation. Vitamin C, however, worked very well

> within one week.

>

> Dr. Culter has been very generous and respectful of my inquiries and

> I am grateful to him for his time and for his efforts in helping all

> of our children.

>

> Thanks.

>

>

> >

> > You want to try magnesium for the constipation.

> >

> > No one here is going to help you to use ALA. If you continue on

> this dangerous

> > path you are on your own.

> >

> > Dave.

> > --------------

> > Posted by: " soapforum " soapforum@ soapforum

> > Date: Fri May 30, 2008 10:11 am ((PDT))

> >

> > I would prefer to hear that from him. That's why I'm here. No

> > offense. Our child is an adult and is used to rectal meds,

> > especially Diastat for seizures, and glycerin to help with BMs prior

> > to us learning about increasing vitamin C to alleviate constipation.

> > The suppositories are tolerated well, the labs are normal, there has

> > been improvement - no signs of discomfort, so we are not worried

> > about the dose or the administration. We just want to add ALA.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'd have to say no on adding ala to this current protocol. (I think

Andy replied that as well)

If the team of doctors were doing so well, you would not have come

here for help. Please consider that they don't know everything. That's

why our kids are in this mess to begin with. Some doctors are very

good, and will help you. Some will think they are helping you but

actually they are causing more damage all while taking your money.

Some well doing doctors thought that giving my son vaccines with

aluminum and mercury in them were a good idea too. I am not saying

your doctors are bad, because I don't know them. Just saying that all

of us here have personal experience and have done the research. We

know what works, what doesn't. Most of us have used these chelators on

ourselves, and know how they affect the body. We speak from personal

experience, and general williness to help.

Every time you give a chelator, it moves metals in the body. If there

are no subsequent doses, those metals re-settle in the body

(redistribution). Essentially, re-poisoning yourself. Sometimes the

metals move to a less damaging place, sometimes not. No way to know.

The idea is to limit these instance of redistribution to as few as

possible. To minimize the damage. That is what Andy's protocol is

based on. DMSA last 3-4 hours in the body. This has been proven in

studies done, since dmsa is approved by the FDA for chelation for

children. That is why we dose it every four hours. Sometimes three for

people who metabolize it faster.

I try to explain it this way, if your doctor told you take a pain pill

once a day following surgery, but that pain pill lasted four hours in

the body....would you want to take it once a day? Obviously it would

wear off and you'd be in serious pain. Most physicians dose

medications on this precendence, of how long it lasts. DMSA is not any

different.

Giving it once every other day is doing the following: freeing up

metals for only four hours after that dose it given. Then nothing.

There's no subsequent doses to bind those metals and removed them from

the body. So they resettle wherever.

Please don't think any of us are coming down on your as a person. Your

doing what a doctor told you to do. We have all done that. Once we did

our own research, we realized that what they told us may not be the

right thing. People here are trying to warn you of the repercussions

of such a protocol. Many know from personal experiences. They got sick

using other dosing schedules.

> > >

> > > Hello everyone. I am new. Thanks for approving my membership.

> > >

> > > We are currently on a 1000 mg DMSA suppository every other night

> > > schedule. I read Dr. Cutler's ALA protocol. Is it possible to

> > > implement it into our chelation schedule?

> > >

> > > Thanks.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the list. Comments interspersed.

S S

Re: ? - every other night DMSA supps/ALA

Posted by: " soapforum " soapforum@... soapforum

Fri May 30, 2008 7:56 am (PDT)

Our main physician treating for this is Dr. Mark Geier. He is very

knowledgable and very thorough.

Would it be possible for Dr. Cutler to weigh in on this? The theory

that DMSA alone will not remove mercury from the brain is very, very

troubling to us.

*Andy Cutler is a PhD chemist, as he will tell you. He sometimes reads and

replies on this list.

We are limited in that our treatments/services are paid for and have

to be approved by Medicaid.

In reading the Cutler protocol, I became interested in adding ALA

because it does not require an rx.

*Oral DMSA does not require a prescription, either. Its available through

www.vrp.com

I was wondering if I could give

ALA every 4 hours following a DMSA suppository, for 24 hours, or

longer. We give vitamin and mineral supplementation 24 hours

following the suppositories.

*Try to get a copy of Andy's books: Hair Test Interpreting and Amalgam Illness.

See if your local library has copies or will purchase them. Check the archives

for Andy's previous posts on DMSA suppositories. He strongly discourages them.

Thanks.

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----- Original Message -----

Like many parents, we have spent thousands of hours researching and

we have every confidence in Dr. Geier or we would not have entrusted

our child's recovery to him.

====>I don't feel very good about these series of posts. How do you help

parents who put their faith in drs who do inappropriate chelation protocols? How

can anyone adequately explain how dan! doctors who charge large sums of monies

and are supposed to know how to chelate kids......don't know what they are

doing?

Without waiting and dreading those posts that the child has taken a turn for

the worse, posts that we all know too well?

>

> Thank you.

>

> We are limited to what we can do because of Medicaid and a lack

of

> extra money.

>

> ====>Ala is a very inexpensive supplement/chelator and the only

one you really need to help recover your child. You could ha====>

>

> I did read the files and I would like to know how to add ALA to

this

> protocol. I don't want to assume and do it wrong. But I

desperately

> want to also eliminate mercury from the brain.

>

> ====>Just so I'm really clear, 2o0 mgs of Dmsa given every other

day is potentially very harmful to kids. I've been around for about 4

years now and have heard of many kids who got worse on protocols like

this. But don't take my word for it, read for yourself.

>

> And of those kids who got worse on this kind of protocol, every

single one of their dan drs! would say that they never had a patient

who got worse on the protocol, but they do. Many, many adults who are

mercury poisoned also got worse on theu infrequent protocol you

outlined in your previous post.

>

> Please read the files (particularly read the parts about why it's

important to dose the chelators with regard to their half-life, or

how long they stay in the body and what happens when you use

chelators without regard for their half life) order Andy's book and

educate yourself before you proceed with this protocol.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello everyone. I am new. Thanks for approving my

> membership.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We are currently on a 1000 mg DMSA suppository every

> other

> > night

> > > > > > schedule. I read Dr. Cutler's ALA protocol. Is it

> possible to

> > > > > > implement it into our chelation schedule?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

" Like many parents, we have spent thousands of hours researching and

we have every confidence in Dr. Geier or we would not have entrusted

our child's recovery to him. "

This was the part that was most painful for me to read. Thousands of hours ?

What were

you reading ? I've spent less than 50 hours reading up on Chelation (we haven't

started

yet) but even I know you don't start or add in ALA until you have dramatically

reduced

(over months of DMSA use) the metal burden in the body first.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello everyone. I am new. Thanks for approving my

> > membership.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We are currently on a 1000 mg DMSA suppository every

> > other

> > > night

> > > > > > > schedule. I read Dr. Cutler's ALA protocol. Is it

> > possible to

> > > > > > > implement it into our chelation schedule?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: Todd Dea

" Like many parents, we have spent thousands of hours researching and

we have every confidence in Dr. Geier or we would not have entrusted

our child's recovery to him. "

This was the part that was most painful for me to read. Thousands of hours ?

====>I probably spent at least this much time, I'm science retarded/challenged

and I'm squeamish, just thinking about Ala going in and out of the brain is

enough to make my stomach hurt...I have to try not to think about it.

I can say that I spent an entire 9 months researching before we did anything,

every day at the computer reading from morning to night, not sure what that adds

up to.

And, you can use Ala right from the start, Andy has some posts that talk about

the advantage of using Ala from the very beginning. Using Dmsa alone before

adding Ala is now old school.......very confusing, isn't it?

What were

you reading ? I've spent less than 50 hours reading up on Chelation (we

haven't started

yet) but even I know you don't start or add in ALA until you have dramatically

reduced

(over months of DMSA use) the metal burden in the body first.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello everyone. I am new. Thanks for approving my

> > membership.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We are currently on a 1000 mg DMSA suppository every

> > other

> > > night

> > > > > > > schedule. I read Dr. Cutler's ALA protocol. Is it

> > possible to

> > > > > > > implement it into our chelation schedule?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

We also started with Dr. Geyer, but after more research we went to AC protocol

and now just have our tests running with Dr. Geyer order. You can tell to any

doctor what you want to change and that should be your desicion as a parent.

You don't have to use any doctor to chelate on AC protocol. So much info

available on the web and in Andy Cutler books

Natalia

Ladyshrink111@... wrote:

----- Original Message -----

From: Todd Dea

" Like many parents, we have spent thousands of hours researching and

we have every confidence in Dr. Geier or we would not have entrusted

our child's recovery to him. "

This was the part that was most painful for me to read. Thousands of hours ?

====>I probably spent at least this much time, I'm science retarded/challenged

and I'm squeamish, just thinking about Ala going in and out of the brain is

enough to make my stomach hurt...I have to try not to think about it.

I can say that I spent an entire 9 months researching before we did anything,

every day at the computer reading from morning to night, not sure what that adds

up to.

And, you can use Ala right from the start, Andy has some posts that talk about

the advantage of using Ala from the very beginning. Using Dmsa alone before

adding Ala is now old school.......very confusing, isn't it?

What were

you reading ? I've spent less than 50 hours reading up on Chelation (we haven't

started

yet) but even I know you don't start or add in ALA until you have dramatically

reduced

(over months of DMSA use) the metal burden in the body first.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello everyone. I am new. Thanks for approving my

> > membership.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We are currently on a 1000 mg DMSA suppository every

> > other

> > > night

> > > > > > > schedule. I read Dr. Cutler's ALA protocol. Is it

> > possible to

> > > > > > > implement it into our chelation schedule?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

We also started with Dr. Geyer, but after more research we went to AC protocol

and now just have our tests running with Dr. Geyer order. You can tell to any

doctor what you want to change and that should be your desicion as a parent.

You don't have to use any doctor to chelate on AC protocol. So much info

available on the web and in Andy Cutler books

Natalia

Ladyshrink111@... wrote:

----- Original Message -----

From: Todd Dea

" Like many parents, we have spent thousands of hours researching and

we have every confidence in Dr. Geier or we would not have entrusted

our child's recovery to him. "

This was the part that was most painful for me to read. Thousands of hours ?

====>I probably spent at least this much time, I'm science retarded/challenged

and I'm squeamish, just thinking about Ala going in and out of the brain is

enough to make my stomach hurt...I have to try not to think about it.

I can say that I spent an entire 9 months researching before we did anything,

every day at the computer reading from morning to night, not sure what that adds

up to.

And, you can use Ala right from the start, Andy has some posts that talk about

the advantage of using Ala from the very beginning. Using Dmsa alone before

adding Ala is now old school.......very confusing, isn't it?

What were

you reading ? I've spent less than 50 hours reading up on Chelation (we haven't

started

yet) but even I know you don't start or add in ALA until you have dramatically

reduced

(over months of DMSA use) the metal burden in the body first.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello everyone. I am new. Thanks for approving my

> > membership.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > We are currently on a 1000 mg DMSA suppository every

> > other

> > > night

> > > > > > > schedule. I read Dr. Cutler's ALA protocol. Is it

> > possible to

> > > > > > > implement it into our chelation schedule?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

> I did read the files and I would like to know how to add ALA to this

> protocol. I don't want to assume and do it wrong. But I desperately

> want to also eliminate mercury from the brain.

I did not use DMSA at all, I only used ALA to chelate.

If I was doing the DMSA suppositories and wanted to continue them, I

think I would stop the DMSA for a week, do the ALA for three days in

the middle of the week off, then start the DMSA again for a few weeks.

I would not do the ALA at the same time as the DMSA in this situation.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>>As far as I aware Dr Geier is OBGYN..................

What is unclear is why you have so much respect for " doctors " who damaged your

child in the first place.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Mum231ASD@...

>>As far as I aware Dr Geier is OBGYN..................

What is unclear is why you have so much respect for " doctors " who damaged your

child in the first place.

===>But these drs are different, they're dan! drs, specifically holding

themselves out as " experts " in Autism.

Have you ever seen a bad nurse or attorney or therapist? Do we distrust them

all because of that one?

I don't think it's at all illogical to trust drs who you read about and who

work so hard to get their names known by all their faddish techniques. I think

it a rare occurence and you're damn lucky if you don't trust them, trusting them

is the norm and why not?

If I hadn't have run into someone whose child was horribly, permanently

damaged by a well-known Dan! dr......there but for the grace of God, go I.

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Sorry I only wrote that he is a OBGYN, as far as I am aware he isn't

even a DAN!. A year or so

ago they got Lupron before the DMSA on his protocol...............something most

if not all DAN's at the

?conference I was at were against...........

Mandi x

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It is never good to generalize. There are some doctors/pediatricians that are

good at what they do and there are a lot of DAN! doctors that have recovered

many kids with their protocols (I'm not talking about chelation protocols

alone).

& nbsp;

If there are some parents here who believe and respect doctors, or who uses or

have used the DAN! & nbsp;protocols, & nbsp;they shouldn't be punished just because

you don't believe in them. They are here researching for more info to help their

children. So what these parents need (including me) are genuine support from all

of you who are now experts with Andy's protocol.

& nbsp;

Thank you.

& nbsp;

From: Mum231ASD@... & lt;Mum231ASD@... & gt;

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ? - every other night DMSA supps/ALA

Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 9:28 AM

& gt; & gt;As far as I aware Dr Geier is OBGYN....... ......... ..

What is unclear is why you have so much respect for " doctors " who damaged your

child in the first place.

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It is never good to generalize. There are some doctors/pediatricians that are

good at what they do and there are a lot of DAN! doctors that have recovered

many kids with their protocols (I'm not talking about chelation protocols

alone).

& nbsp;

If there are some parents here who believe and respect doctors, or who uses or

have used the DAN! & nbsp;protocols, & nbsp;they shouldn't be punished just because

you don't believe in them. They are here researching for more info to help their

children. So what these parents need (including me) are genuine support from all

of you who are now experts with Andy's protocol.

& nbsp;

Thank you.

& nbsp;

From: Mum231ASD@... & lt;Mum231ASD@... & gt;

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ? - every other night DMSA supps/ALA

Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 9:28 AM

& gt; & gt;As far as I aware Dr Geier is OBGYN....... ......... ..

What is unclear is why you have so much respect for " doctors " who damaged your

child in the first place.

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> If I hadn't have run into someone whose child was horribly,

permanently damaged by a well-known Dan! dr......there but for the

grace of God, go I.

A few years ago, I received an email from a mother whose son was a

patient of a very well-known DAN doctor. This doctor has a waiting

list, speaks at DAN conferences, etc. The doctor recommended to this

mother to give her younger child a HepB vax. The mother trusted this

doctor, so she allowed the vax. Within 3 weeks, the child was

autistic like her brother. The mother was understandably devastated.

My son was autistic from HepB vax also, so I gave her info on what

might help recover her child. Over the next month or so, the mother

implemented many of my ideas and the child was " mostly " recovered,

altho issues still remained.

The mother still wanted to use a doctor for her children, so I

recommended one of two options. Either take the child back to the

doctor and insist that the doctor recover the child at NO expense to

the mother. Or, find another doctor.

Altho I never used a doctor and recovered my kids on my own, I

understand why some parents want to use a doctor. However, ALWAYS

consider the doctors advice and recommendations as just that, advice

and recommendations. Use your own judgment to decide if it is

something you want to pursue. Doctors are not gods, they are human

and make mistakes. Sometimes they are simply idiots.

And it is YOUR child.

Do your own research and make your own decisions. Never fully trust a

doctor, ANY doctor, 100%.

Dana

[Guest guest]

>

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

>

>

>

> Like many parents, we have spent thousands of hours researching and

> we have every confidence in Dr. Geier or we would not have entrusted

> our child's recovery to him.

>

> ====>I don't feel very good about these series of posts. How do you help

parents

who put their faith in drs who do inappropriate chelation protocols? How can

anyone

adequately explain how dan! doctors who charge large sums of monies and are

supposed

to know how to chelate kids......don't know what they are doing?

>

> Without waiting and dreading those posts that the child has taken a turn

for the

worse, posts that we all know too well?

>

>

Yes, this is indeed the hard part.

People deluded into worshipping the State Medical Religion with its dogma of the

infallibility of physicians are very hard to reach.

When some incompetent physician (e. g. one who gives vaccines) chants a soothing

chant

and says they want to use the kid in one of their human sacrifice rituals, the

parents often

show up on this list and ask if they should do it.

All too often, no matter what we say, they turn their kid over to the priest in

the white lab

coat, pay the tithe of their consultation fee, and let the ritual proceeed.

Then all too often they are back on the list in a week or so with a horror story

asking us to

please please please help them make their kid all better.

The problem is at that point we can't do it. There is no quick and simple fix,

and no

guarantee of any help at all.

I realize the parents suffer horribly from this, but it hurts me a lot too to

know it goes on

and be powerless to help. The best help I can offer is to try to convince them

not to hurt

their kid in the first place and I don't think I'm very good at that. Any

thoughts as to how

to do this would be well appreciated. I HAVE learned that reasoned discussion,

presenting

fact and logic, doesn't work. That's why I'm usually bombastic. Still, the

success rate is

distressingly low.

Andy

[Guest guest]

> > > I would prefer to hear that from him. That's why I'm here.

As discussed in a recent post, it is quite easy to do things with chelators that

cause severe

long lasting harm.

NOT chelating for a few weeks or months while you learn more doesn't really do

any harm.

If you start off the wrong way, then later switch to the right way, it may well

take longer to

get him better than if you wait a few months then start out properly from the

beginning of

chelation.

Andy

[Guest guest]

> > I don't have any respect for clinicians, pediatricians or pediatric

> > doctors who won't educate themselves about mercury poisoning.

>

> Well, docs can educate themselves about mercury poisoning and not

> educate themselves about how to detox the stuff.

This is something very important for people to understand.

Diagnosis and treatment are entirely different parts of medical practice. They

require

different kinds of thinking, different knowledge and skills, and different

educational

background.

The " liberal arts " approach used by most medical schools today is far more well

suited to

diagnosis than to treatment.

This is why a few doctors DO 'get it' that vaccines caused mercury poisoning,

etc. - they

are competent enough to diagnose. However almost none of them 'get it' that

proper

treatment involves giving dangerous chemicals in a manner rigidly determined by

the

fundamental laws of nature, it is not a free form thing where creativity or

artistic flair have

any place. It isn't an area in which intuition is going to be of much use

unless it is

grounded in a sound knowledge of pharmacology and kinetics, which necessarily

involve

enough numbers, equations and chemical formulae that it is beyond the

educational

background of most physicians to really use them in practice if they're not

given recipes

for what to do once they arrive at a diagnosis.

Andy

[Guest guest]

>

> I realize the parents suffer horribly from this, but it hurts me a

lot too to know it goes on

> and be powerless to help. The best help I can offer is to try to

convince them not to hurt

> their kid in the first place and I don't think I'm very good at

that. Any thoughts as to how

> to do this would be well appreciated. I HAVE learned that

reasoned discussion, presenting

> fact and logic, doesn't work. That's why I'm usually bombastic.

Still, the success rate is

> distressingly low.

>

> Andy

>

I may have some thoughts on that. Would be happy to discuss them

with you. Not sure a public discussion is the best venue. Your

call: on list or off?

(I have a track record of getting myself in serious hot water for

saying things publically that, apparently, it's a big no-no to say --

like my opinions, The Truth, etc. I am sure you can empathize.)

Michele

[Guest guest]

>

> We are chelating effectively and properly.

No you are not.

Andy

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi. The waking every 3-4 hours is also a concern,

Really it isn't.

As long as YOU don't get yourself worked up that it is going to be a horrible

expeirence, it

won't be. He's more responsive to your expectations than you think.

Swallowing is reflexive, he doesn't really need to be awake at all for it to go

down. All he

needs to do is gulp and roll back over.

Andy

[Guest guest]

How can you come to a board and ask for help then not listen ?????

From: Mum231ASDaol (DOT) com & amp;lt;Mum231ASDaol (DOT) com & amp;gt;

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: ? - every other night DMSA supps/ALA

Date: Saturday, May 31, 2008, 9:28 AM

& amp;gt; & amp;gt;As far as I aware Dr Geier is OBGYN....... ......... ..

What is unclear is why you have so much respect for " doctors " who damaged your

child in the first place.

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[Guest guest]

Kirby seems to be reaching a lot of people nowadays. I heard that even The

House of Parliament invited him to speak.

& nbsp;

From: andrewhallcutler & lt;AndyCutler@... & gt;

Subject: [ ] Re: ? - every other night DMSA supps/ALA

Date: Sunday, June 1, 2008, 5:54 PM

& gt;

& gt;

& gt; ----- Original Message -----

& gt;

& gt;

& gt;

& gt;

& gt; Like many parents, we have spent thousands of hours researching and

& gt; we have every confidence in Dr. Geier or we would not have entrusted

& gt; our child's recovery to him.

& gt;

& gt; ==== & gt;I don't feel very good about these series of posts. How do you help

parents

who put their faith in drs who do inappropriate chelation protocols? How can

anyone

adequately explain how dan! doctors who charge large sums of monies and are

supposed

to know how to chelate kids......don' t know what they are doing?

& gt;

& gt; Without waiting and dreading those posts that the child has taken a turn

for the

worse, posts that we all know too well?

& gt;

& gt;

Yes, this is indeed the hard part.

People deluded into worshipping the State Medical Religion with its dogma of the

infallibility of physicians are very hard to reach.

When some incompetent physician (e. g. one who gives vaccines) chants a soothing

chant

and says they want to use the kid in one of their human sacrifice rituals, the

parents often

show up on this list and ask if they should do it.

All too often, no matter what we say, they turn their kid over to the priest in

the white lab

coat, pay the tithe of their consultation fee, and let the ritual proceeed.

Then all too often they are back on the list in a week or so with a horror story

asking us to

please please please help them make their kid all better.

The problem is at that point we can't do it. There is no quick and simple fix,

and no

guarantee of any help at all.

I realize the parents suffer horribly from this, but it hurts me a lot too to

know it goes on

and be powerless to help. The best help I can offer is to try to convince them

not to hurt

their kid in the first place and I don't think I'm very good at that. Any

thoughts as to how

to do this would be well appreciated. I HAVE learned that reasoned discussion,

presenting

fact and logic, doesn't work. That's why I'm usually bombastic. Still, the

success rate is

distressingly low.

Andy