Guest guest Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 My first attempt at ridding myself of a rectal adenocarcinamo was with Cantron and Protocel (see http://www.sumeria.net/health/rectcan.html). Having tried both, my gut feeling is that Cantron was much more effedtive than the Protocel. Unfortunately, neither one had an effect on my cancer but an acquaintence from the nearby town of Mountainair, New Mexico claims that the Cantron caused his colon tumor to go into remission. Also regarding Protocel: I am living below the poverty line and i was quite put off by the Protocel people. They were displaying a prominent link for making contributions to help those who could not afford to pay for it, but when i asked about help, they did not even bother to reply. That seemed a little flaky. A posative note about the Protocel people: It was on their discussion group that i heard about the CancerCured list. In that way, they may have indirectly saved my life. The Protocel certainly didn't help. > Is anyone here had any experience with Protocel? If so, I would be >interested in hearing what you thought of it. > >Thanks, > Brant -- Neil Jensen: neil@... The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/ " Obtuse Anger is that which is greater than Right Anger. " -- Carroll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 I just searched Dr. Moss's site and nothing. He is a doctor who writes all his reports on scientific studies. Also I searched pubmed and nothing. That's the most complete web site on scientific studies there is. So the 80% claim is not based on science, that's for sure. The doctor who gave my wife chemo also said they had a 80% survival rate, but my wife is the only one still alive out of 54 from the group. I would also tell your roomate, using scientific studies to judge weather a treatment is good or not is not the best way to look for a cure. In 40 years science has basically changed nothing in the cure for cancer. Take Care, Gaylen > > > Hello, > > I've been researching alternative cancer treatments, as my roommate > and best friend has a recent diagnosis of cancer. He has > plasmacytoma, which is the solitary incidence of multiple myeloma. > > A friend of my family also has cancer and is doing nutrition along > with Protocel. She says it has an 80 percent cure rate in mice, but > I can't find any such claim anywhere on their website. Does anyone > have any info about Protocel. My roommate isn't interested in > anything that hasn't had at least some study behind it. > > Thanks. > > Maggie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 > A friend of my family also has cancer and is doing nutrition along > with Protocel. She says it has an 80 percent cure rate in mice, but > I can't find any such claim anywhere on their website. I think it produces a very impressive rate of full recoveries (particularly for something so inexpensive) in human cancer patients, but not nearly 80%. Here's the info I've compiled Protocel and CANCELL -- (aka Sheridan's Formula, Jim's Juice, Crocinic Acid, JS-114, JS-101, 126-F) " Protocel #50 is the same formula as Cancell. Entelev [is] Protocel #23 " . Contains tetrahydroxyquinone, rhodizonic acid, inositol, sodium, copper, potassium, croconic acid, triquinoyl, pyrocatechol, leuconic acid, mineral and trace elements. Cantron & Cancell are reportedly better than Protocel. There's also a homeopathic version of 1 of them. Effective w/leukemia, brain mets., GBM, kidney & other cancers; has been reportedly effective w/all other types of cancer, including anaplastic astrocytoma (AA). gangliogliama, gliomas, oligoastrocytoma , ALL leukemia, SCLC, NSCLC, melanoma, kidney, colorectal, stomach, cervical, ovarian, and pancreatic cancer; it seems to be effective w/prostate cancer only rarely . " Kidney cancer and...myeloma, often show the fastest recoveries. Brain cancer may be relatively fast....lymphomas, may take longer " (www.outsmartyourcancer.com/eBooklets.shtml, p. 63) " electrolyte; a liquid which you take 1/4 tsp. every four hours....works...by lowering the energy level (voltage) in the cancer cells to a point where they cannot divide/spread " ; reduces side effects of Cisplatin and Gemcitabine. $55/month " been following people with cancer on Protocel for...4 years....spoken to people who had...great success in shrinking and/or eliminating the cancer....also witness a lot of people for whom it didn't do any good....followed people on Cantron...impressive stories....both help some people but not in the 80% range...claimed " Take exactly as instructed, on empty stomach. Shake bottle each time before using. Keep away from microwave, TV, & heat. Do " not use chlorinated tap water....Formula 50 is...more potent...considered...the one that most cancer patients should use....except....for many people with brain tumors the Formula 23 is often the preferred version[ ]....particularly...for...tumor in the brainstem area....maintain a regular schedule of administration....[While taking Protocel] DEFINITELY AVOID Co-Q10, Vitamin E, Vitamin C, Selenium, Essiac [and] Ozone...should probably [also avoid]....IP-6, L-Carnitine...Flax Oil combined with Cottage Cheese, Glutathione, Glutamine, Sea Silver, Lipoic Acid...Creatine, Taurine, Acetylcystein, L-Cystein, Ginseng " (pp. 54-57); 714-X, hydrogen peroxide, colloidal silver (www.alternativecancer.us/order_c.htm#Avoid). Excretion of " a mucousy egg white-like substance [is] a very good sign [as are ] `detoxing " or `flu-like symptoms " [ ] (p. 60). " By the third month, or sometimes...the fourth month, most people will start to see a decrease in tumor size " (pp. 60-61). Take " it at least three to six months after...doctor has given...the `all-clear " " (p. 65). " radiation treatments work synergistically with Protocel....antimetabolites [such as] 5-FU....works well with Protocel (p. 64) " has been observed to bring about...long-term recovery for a majority of the people who use it correctly....many recoveries of late-stage, metastasized cancer " For more info " manufacturers and sellers of Protocel...Bob and Myrna Esh. 866-962-8880 " www.protocel.com (Renewal & Wellness; testimonials, support groups, to order, ask questions) www.outsmartyourcancer.com/treatments.shtml ( Harter Pierce) www.outsmartyourcancer.com/eBooklets.shtml ( Harter Pierce) www.cellremoval.com (includes forum & directory of websites) www.alternativecancer.us www.best.com/~handpen/Cancell/cancell.htm ( Winter) www.best.com/~handpen/Cancell/how.htm ( Winter) www.handpen.com/Cancell/cancell.htm ( Winter) www.handpen.com/Cancell/how.htm ( Winter) www.annieappleseedproject.org/can1.html www.danielwoods.com/cancell.html www.sharkliveroil.com/new/news-sheridanpaper.htm www.nzhealth.net.nz/cancer/cancell.shtml www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/altthrpy.htm www.newagenet.com/LightParty/Health/CANCELL.html www.breastcancer.at-home-cures.com (eBook on supplements) www.64.157.204.26/protocel (video testimonials) www.alternativecancer.us/order_pets.htm (pets) www.mdanderson.org/departments/CIMER/display.cfm?id=C2726189-4528-4976 -AC59EBE95BF587E5 & method=displayFull & pn=6EB86A59-EBD9-11D4-810100508B6 03A14 www.elonnamckibben.com ( " Protocel, how it works, things to expect and helpful advise....a lot of information...broken down into catagories....updated periodically....testimonials " ) Or join the listserv www.topica.com/lists/Protocel cantron -- very similar to Cancell; has been effective w/pancreatic cancer; $20/mo www.cantron.com; www.cantron.net www.geocities.com/cantron_2000/testimonials.html www.cancerchoices.com/cantron.htm www.sharkliveroil.com/new/news-sheridanpaper.htm www.sharkliveroil.com/new/references-cantron1.htm#Testing cesiumtherapy/files/cantron/andyjohnson. rtf Ralph Moss has a (brief) " chapter " on Protocel in his 1992 book _Cancer Therapy_. 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Guest guest Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 Thanks--it seems that there is no documentation of this 80 percent figure, and that's okay. I have told him that the lack of studies does not mean much when it comes to these things. He is planning to go ahead with radiation. I am pretty sure that if it came down to " needing " chemo, he may be more inclined to take a different approach. Maggie > > I just searched Dr. Moss's site and nothing. He is a doctor who > writes all his reports on scientific studies. Also I searched pubmed and nothing. That's the most complete web site on scientific studies there is. So the 80% claim is not based on science, that's for sure. The doctor who gave my wife chemo also said they had a 80% survival > rate, but my wife is the only one still alive out of 54 from the > group. I would also tell your roomate, using scientific studies to > judge weather a treatment is good or not is not the best way to look for a cure. In 40 years science has basically changed nothing in the cure for cancer. > Take Care, Gaylen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 Hi, I have Several Friends and Acquaintances that Have had Tremendous Success with Various Conditions including Cancers (one is now 7 years a Breast Cancer Survivor) using a Simple Health Juice!! Please contact me at mentz58@... if You are interested in Learning More about this Product. Sincerely, - " Leonard " <leonardleonard1@e...>wrote: > Protocel and CANCELL -- (aka Sheridan's Formula, Jim's Juice, Crocinic > Acid, JS-114, JS-101, 126-F) " Protocel #50 is the same formula as > Cancell. Entelev [is] Protocel #23 " . > Cantron & Cancell are reportedly better than Protocel. There's also a > homeopathic version of 1 of them. > Effective w/leukemia, brain mets., GBM, kidney & other cancers; has > been reportedly effective w/all other types of cancer......... > (www.outsmartyourcancer.com/eBooklets.shtml, p. 63)........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Hello to all, I first have to say this group is wonderful! Thank you for the wealth of information. I do not post often but I love reading what you all have to say. I would like to know what you think about protocel? My daughter (7 years old) has a brain tumor called a diffuse intrinsic pontine glioma. I am considering starting her on protocel, what do you think? Thank you in advance. With Hope, mother of www.aliciahopefund.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2009 Report Share Posted July 15, 2009 dear tony thanks for the info,have to disagree with you on the immune boosters,you can use rm10,msr 3,oncolyn according to bill henderson with protocel,you can also use lattrile,paw paw,reishi mushrooms,dmso ,shark liver oil,any enzymes,ellagic acid,germanium 132,viamin d3, calcium mgn 3 ,indole 3 carbinol,grape seed extract all according to webnd the supplies of protocel regards bobby [ ] Protocel Many people have had success with Protocel, although the success rate does not seem to be as high as other protocols, such as Budwig, Oleander, Gerson, etc. (or better still, a combination of Budwig, oleander anda diet of mostly juiced and/or mostly raw vegetables and some fruits). Protocel is about the only thing I know that is contraindicated for oleander, as it is for a great many things, including Budwig. The Protocel theory is similar to mainstream chemo treatment in that it tries to starve out and reduce the energy level of the cells in order to kill of cancer cells. Because it does not allow for immune boosters and anti-oxidants, I do not personally recommend it - and I note that my friend Webster Kehr at cancertutor.com does not have it rated among the top cancer fighters. All the best, Tony > > dear brett > > http://alternativecancer.us/protocel.htm > http://cancertutor.com/Cancer/Protocel.html > > regards > > bobby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 dear tony thank you so much for all this information,much appreciated. kind regards bobby [ ] Re: Protocel Bobby - As far as I know there is no site that compares the success rates of any of the alternative protocols or cancer fighting items, though certainly there are a number of sites that mention success rates for one or another alternative treatment. How accurate those numbers are is anyone's guess and I have seen several that I consider to be inflated (there is no end of hype inside and outside the mainstream). There is no magic bullet that I have found. But there are some good ones out there and oleander is the best bullet I have found. I have also found that it is a good idea to have more than one bullet in your gun. Based on my own research of thousands of hours and years into oleander and other alternative treatments, including writing a book about oleander, oleander has been about as successful overall as anything out there. Doctor Ozel in Turkey, who was forced to use mainstream surgery, chemo and/or radiation as a first option and only use oleander after those had failed, or as a complimentary treatment, had an overall success rate of 72% for a wide range of cancers. Marc Swanepoel has distributed his Sutherlandia OPC supplement containing 80% oleander extract and 20% Sutherlandia frutescens (The South Africa Cancer Bush) to hundreds of people over the past five plus years with a wide variety of cancers and stages, many of whom had had prior mainstream treatments. At last count, three people did not survive who came to him with only days left to live, five died of major organ failure who had all had prior chemo and all the rest are still alive, most of whom are either cancer free or with cancers in remission or shrinking. Two people stopped the protocol and the cancer returned and they are now back on it. In my own " Oleandersoup " group, which is over 5 years old now, we now have almost 1400 members. I am not aware of anyone who had not had mainstream chemo and/or radiation first who began the suggested protocol, or even much of it, who is not still alive - and I am aware of only a handful who did have mainstream treatments first who are not still alive. Now, many of the members have only been there a couple of years or less, and many are still fighting their cancers. Also, I have not tracked all the members to see what they have done or how they have faired - but the lack of bouncing emails indicates that they are still around. I do know that we have had many success stories and the record would appear to be a good one regardless. Some of our members tried protocel without success before coming to our group, btw. My main objection, or concern, with protocel, besides Webster Kehr not ranking it that high, is that it seems to be a tricky protocol that must be followed pretty exactly and there are just too many good things I would want to do that it forbids. To answer your question about what I would do - I would do as much of my suggested protocol as possible. Likely all of it. The protocol is posted freely in the group files as well as in my articles section of my website tbyil.com. All the best, Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 Bobby - As far as I know there is no site that compares the success rates of any of the alternative protocols or cancer fighting items, though certainly there are a number of sites that mention success rates for one or another alternative treatment. How accurate those numbers are is anyone's guess and I have seen several that I consider to be inflated (there is no end of hype inside and outside the mainstream). There is no magic bullet that I have found. But there are some good ones out there and oleander is the best bullet I have found. I have also found that it is a good idea to have more than one bullet in your gun. Based on my own research of thousands of hours and years into oleander and other alternative treatments, including writing a book about oleander, oleander has been about as successful overall as anything out there. Doctor Ozel in Turkey, who was forced to use mainstream surgery, chemo and/or radiation as a first option and only use oleander after those had failed, or as a complimentary treatment, had an overall success rate of 72% for a wide range of cancers. Marc Swanepoel has distributed his Sutherlandia OPC supplement containing 80% oleander extract and 20% Sutherlandia frutescens (The South Africa Cancer Bush) to hundreds of people over the past five plus years with a wide variety of cancers and stages, many of whom had had prior mainstream treatments. At last count, three people did not survive who came to him with only days left to live, five died of major organ failure who had all had prior chemo and all the rest are still alive, most of whom are either cancer free or with cancers in remission or shrinking. Two people stopped the protocol and the cancer returned and they are now back on it. In my own " Oleandersoup " group, which is over 5 years old now, we now have almost 1400 members. I am not aware of anyone who had not had mainstream chemo and/or radiation first who began the suggested protocol, or even much of it, who is not still alive - and I am aware of only a handful who did have mainstream treatments first who are not still alive. Now, many of the members have only been there a couple of years or less, and many are still fighting their cancers. Also, I have not tracked all the members to see what they have done or how they have faired - but the lack of bouncing emails indicates that they are still around. I do know that we have had many success stories and the record would appear to be a good one regardless. Some of our members tried protocel without success before coming to our group, btw. My main objection, or concern, with protocel, besides Webster Kehr not ranking it that high, is that it seems to be a tricky protocol that must be followed pretty exactly and there are just too many good things I would want to do that it forbids. To answer your question about what I would do - I would do as much of my suggested protocol as possible. Likely all of it. The protocol is posted freely in the group files as well as in my articles section of my website tbyil.com. All the best, Tony > > no problem tony > > what would be your protocol if you had to take the journey?also,is there a site or group where i can see success rates for example comparing > protocel to oleander? > > > bobby > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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