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My first attempt at ridding myself of a rectal adenocarcinamo was with Cantron

and Protocel (see http://www.sumeria.net/health/rectcan.html). Having tried

both, my gut feeling is that Cantron was much more effedtive than the Protocel.

Unfortunately, neither one had an effect on my cancer but an acquaintence from

the nearby town of Mountainair, New Mexico claims that the Cantron caused his

colon tumor to go into remission.

Also regarding Protocel: I am living below the poverty line and i was quite put

off by the Protocel people. They were displaying a prominent link for making

contributions to help those who could not afford to pay for it, but when i asked

about help, they did not even bother to reply. That seemed a little flaky. A

posative note about the Protocel people: It was on their discussion group that i

heard about the CancerCured list. In that way, they may have indirectly saved my

life. The Protocel certainly didn't help.

> Is anyone here had any experience with Protocel? If so, I would be

>interested in hearing what you thought of it.

>

>Thanks,

> Brant

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I just searched Dr. Moss's site and nothing. He is a doctor who

writes all his reports on scientific studies. Also I searched pubmed

and nothing. That's the most complete web site on scientific studies

there is. So the 80% claim is not based on science, that's for sure.

The doctor who gave my wife chemo also said they had a 80% survival

rate, but my wife is the only one still alive out of 54 from the

group. I would also tell your roomate, using scientific studies to

judge weather a treatment is good or not is not the best way to look

for a cure. In 40 years science has basically changed nothing in the

cure for cancer.

Take Care,

Gaylen

>

>

> Hello,

>

> I've been researching alternative cancer treatments, as my

roommate

> and best friend has a recent diagnosis of cancer. He has

> plasmacytoma, which is the solitary incidence of multiple

myeloma.

>

> A friend of my family also has cancer and is doing nutrition along

> with Protocel. She says it has an 80 percent cure rate in mice,

but

> I can't find any such claim anywhere on their website. Does

anyone

> have any info about Protocel. My roommate isn't interested in

> anything that hasn't had at least some study behind it.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Maggie

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> A friend of my family also has cancer and is doing nutrition along

> with Protocel. She says it has an 80 percent cure rate in mice,

but

> I can't find any such claim anywhere on their website.

I think it produces a very impressive rate of full recoveries

(particularly for something so inexpensive) in human cancer patients,

but not nearly 80%. Here's the info I've compiled

Protocel and CANCELL -- (aka Sheridan's Formula, Jim's Juice, Crocinic

Acid, JS-114, JS-101, 126-F) " Protocel #50 is the same formula as

Cancell. Entelev [is] Protocel #23 " . Contains tetrahydroxyquinone,

rhodizonic acid, inositol, sodium, copper, potassium, croconic acid,

triquinoyl, pyrocatechol, leuconic acid, mineral and trace elements.

Cantron & Cancell are reportedly better than Protocel. There's also a

homeopathic version of 1 of them.

Effective w/leukemia, brain mets., GBM, kidney & other cancers; has

been reportedly effective w/all other types of cancer, including

anaplastic astrocytoma (AA). gangliogliama, gliomas, oligoastrocytoma

, ALL leukemia, SCLC, NSCLC, melanoma, kidney, colorectal, stomach,

cervical, ovarian, and pancreatic cancer; it seems to be effective

w/prostate cancer only rarely . " Kidney cancer and...myeloma, often

show the fastest recoveries. Brain cancer may be relatively

fast....lymphomas, may take longer "

(www.outsmartyourcancer.com/eBooklets.shtml, p. 63)

" electrolyte; a liquid which you take 1/4 tsp. every four

hours....works...by lowering the energy level (voltage) in the cancer

cells to a point where they cannot divide/spread " ; reduces side

effects of Cisplatin and Gemcitabine. $55/month

" been following people with cancer on Protocel for...4 years....spoken

to people who had...great success in shrinking and/or eliminating the

cancer....also witness a lot of people for whom it didn't do any

good....followed people on Cantron...impressive stories....both help

some people but not in the 80% range...claimed "

Take exactly as instructed, on empty stomach. Shake bottle each time

before using. Keep away from microwave, TV, & heat. Do " not use

chlorinated tap water....Formula 50 is...more

potent...considered...the one that most cancer patients should

use....except....for many people with brain tumors the Formula 23 is

often the preferred version[ ]....particularly...for...tumor in the

brainstem area....maintain a regular schedule of

administration....[While taking Protocel] DEFINITELY AVOID Co-Q10,

Vitamin E, Vitamin C, Selenium, Essiac [and] Ozone...should probably

[also avoid]....IP-6, L-Carnitine...Flax Oil combined with Cottage

Cheese, Glutathione, Glutamine, Sea Silver, Lipoic Acid...Creatine,

Taurine, Acetylcystein, L-Cystein, Ginseng " (pp. 54-57); 714-X,

hydrogen peroxide, colloidal silver

(www.alternativecancer.us/order_c.htm#Avoid).

Excretion of " a mucousy egg white-like substance [is] a very good sign

[as are ] `detoxing " or `flu-like symptoms " [ ] (p. 60). " By the third

month, or sometimes...the fourth month, most people will start to see

a decrease in tumor size " (pp. 60-61). Take " it at least three to six

months after...doctor has given...the `all-clear " " (p. 65).

" radiation treatments work synergistically with

Protocel....antimetabolites [such as] 5-FU....works well with Protocel

(p. 64)

" has been observed to bring about...long-term recovery for a majority

of the people who use it correctly....many recoveries of late-stage,

metastasized cancer "

For more info

" manufacturers and sellers of Protocel...Bob and Myrna Esh.

866-962-8880 "

www.protocel.com (Renewal & Wellness; testimonials, support groups, to

order, ask questions)

www.outsmartyourcancer.com/treatments.shtml ( Harter Pierce)

www.outsmartyourcancer.com/eBooklets.shtml ( Harter Pierce)

www.cellremoval.com (includes forum & directory of websites)

www.alternativecancer.us

www.best.com/~handpen/Cancell/cancell.htm ( Winter)

www.best.com/~handpen/Cancell/how.htm ( Winter)

www.handpen.com/Cancell/cancell.htm ( Winter)

www.handpen.com/Cancell/how.htm ( Winter)

www.annieappleseedproject.org/can1.html

www.danielwoods.com/cancell.html

www.sharkliveroil.com/new/news-sheridanpaper.htm

www.nzhealth.net.nz/cancer/cancell.shtml

www.mnwelldir.org/docs/cancer1/altthrpy.htm

www.newagenet.com/LightParty/Health/CANCELL.html

www.breastcancer.at-home-cures.com (eBook on supplements)

www.64.157.204.26/protocel (video testimonials)

www.alternativecancer.us/order_pets.htm (pets)

www.mdanderson.org/departments/CIMER/display.cfm?id=C2726189-4528-4976

-AC59EBE95BF587E5 & method=displayFull & pn=6EB86A59-EBD9-11D4-810100508B6

03A14

www.elonnamckibben.com ( " Protocel, how it works, things to expect and

helpful advise....a lot of information...broken down into

catagories....updated periodically....testimonials " )

Or join the listserv www.topica.com/lists/Protocel

cantron -- very similar to Cancell; has been effective w/pancreatic

cancer; $20/mo

www.cantron.com; www.cantron.net

www.geocities.com/cantron_2000/testimonials.html

www.cancerchoices.com/cantron.htm

www.sharkliveroil.com/new/news-sheridanpaper.htm

www.sharkliveroil.com/new/references-cantron1.htm#Testing

cesiumtherapy/files/cantron/andyjohnson.

rtf

Ralph Moss has a (brief) " chapter " on Protocel in his 1992 book

_Cancer Therapy_.

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Thanks--it seems that there is no documentation of this 80 percent

figure, and that's okay.

I have told him that the lack of studies does not mean much when it

comes to these things. He is planning to go ahead with radiation. I

am pretty sure that if it came down to " needing " chemo, he may be

more inclined to take a different approach.

Maggie

> > I just searched Dr. Moss's site and nothing. He is a doctor who

> writes all his reports on scientific studies. Also I searched

pubmed and nothing. That's the most complete web site on scientific

studies there is. So the 80% claim is not based on science, that's for

sure. The doctor who gave my wife chemo also said they had a 80% survival

> rate, but my wife is the only one still alive out of 54 from the

> group. I would also tell your roomate, using scientific studies to

> judge weather a treatment is good or not is not the best way to

look for a cure. In 40 years science has basically changed nothing in

the cure for cancer. > Take Care, Gaylen

>

>

>

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Hi,

I have Several Friends and Acquaintances that Have had Tremendous

Success with Various Conditions including Cancers (one is now 7 years

a Breast Cancer Survivor) using a Simple Health Juice!!

Please contact me at mentz58@... if You are interested in

Learning More about this Product.

Sincerely,

- " Leonard " <leonardleonard1@e...>wrote:

> Protocel and CANCELL -- (aka Sheridan's Formula, Jim's Juice, Crocinic

> Acid, JS-114, JS-101, 126-F) " Protocel #50 is the same formula as

> Cancell. Entelev [is] Protocel #23 " .

> Cantron & Cancell are reportedly better than Protocel. There's also a

> homeopathic version of 1 of them.

> Effective w/leukemia, brain mets., GBM, kidney & other cancers; has

> been reportedly effective w/all other types of cancer.........

> (www.outsmartyourcancer.com/eBooklets.shtml, p. 63)...........

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Hello to all,

I first have to say this group is wonderful! Thank you for the wealth of

information. I do not post often but I love reading what you all have to say.

I would like to know what you think about protocel? My daughter (7

years old) has a brain tumor called a diffuse intrinsic pontine glioma. I am

considering starting her on protocel, what do you think? Thank you in advance.

With Hope,

mother of

www.aliciahopefund.com

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dear tony

thanks for the info,have to disagree with you on the immune boosters,you can use

rm10,msr 3,oncolyn according to

bill henderson with protocel,you can also use lattrile,paw paw,reishi

mushrooms,dmso ,shark liver oil,any enzymes,ellagic acid,germanium 132,viamin

d3,

calcium mgn 3 ,indole 3 carbinol,grape seed extract all according to webnd the

supplies of protocel

regards bobby

[ ] Protocel

Many people have had success with Protocel, although the success rate

does not seem to be as high as other protocols, such as Budwig,

Oleander, Gerson, etc. (or better still, a combination of Budwig,

oleander anda diet of mostly juiced and/or mostly raw vegetables and

some fruits).

Protocel is about the only thing I know that is contraindicated for

oleander, as it is for a great many things, including Budwig. The

Protocel theory is similar to mainstream chemo treatment in that it

tries to starve out and reduce the energy level of the cells in order to

kill of cancer cells.

Because it does not allow for immune boosters and anti-oxidants, I do

not personally recommend it - and I note that my friend Webster Kehr at

cancertutor.com does not have it rated among the top cancer fighters.

All the best,

Tony

>

> dear brett

>

> http://alternativecancer.us/protocel.htm

> http://cancertutor.com/Cancer/Protocel.html

>

> regards

>

> bobby

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dear tony

thank you so much for all this information,much appreciated.

kind regards

bobby

[ ] Re: Protocel

Bobby -

As far as I know there is no site that compares the success rates of any

of the alternative protocols or cancer fighting items, though certainly

there are a number of sites that mention success rates for one or

another alternative treatment. How accurate those numbers are is

anyone's guess and I have seen several that I consider to be inflated

(there is no end of hype inside and outside the mainstream).

There is no magic bullet that I have found. But there are some good

ones out there and oleander is the best bullet I have found. I have

also found that it is a good idea to have more than one bullet in your

gun.

Based on my own research of thousands of hours and years into oleander

and other alternative treatments, including writing a book about

oleander, oleander has been about as successful overall as anything out

there. Doctor Ozel in Turkey, who was forced to use mainstream surgery,

chemo and/or radiation as a first option and only use oleander after

those had failed, or as a complimentary treatment, had an overall

success rate of 72% for a wide range of cancers.

Marc Swanepoel has distributed his Sutherlandia OPC supplement

containing 80% oleander extract and 20% Sutherlandia frutescens (The

South Africa Cancer Bush) to hundreds of people over the past five plus

years with a wide variety of cancers and stages, many of whom had had

prior mainstream treatments. At last count, three people did not

survive who came to him with only days left to live, five died of major

organ failure who had all had prior chemo and all the rest are still

alive, most of whom are either cancer free or with cancers in remission

or shrinking. Two people stopped the protocol and the cancer returned

and they are now back on it.

In my own " Oleandersoup " group, which is over 5 years old now, we

now have almost 1400 members. I am not aware of anyone who had not had

mainstream chemo and/or radiation first who began the suggested

protocol, or even much of it, who is not still alive - and I am aware of

only a handful who did have mainstream treatments first who are not

still alive. Now, many of the members have only been there a couple of

years or less, and many are still fighting their cancers. Also, I have

not tracked all the members to see what they have done or how they have

faired - but the lack of bouncing emails indicates that they are still

around. I do know that we have had many success stories and the record

would appear to be a good one regardless.

Some of our members tried protocel without success before coming to our

group, btw. My main objection, or concern, with protocel, besides

Webster Kehr not ranking it that high, is that it seems to be a tricky

protocol that must be followed pretty exactly and there are just too

many good things I would want to do that it forbids.

To answer your question about what I would do - I would do as much of my

suggested protocol as possible. Likely all of it.

The protocol is posted freely in the group files as well as in my

articles section of my website tbyil.com.

All the best,

Tony

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Bobby -

As far as I know there is no site that compares the success rates of any

of the alternative protocols or cancer fighting items, though certainly

there are a number of sites that mention success rates for one or

another alternative treatment. How accurate those numbers are is

anyone's guess and I have seen several that I consider to be inflated

(there is no end of hype inside and outside the mainstream).

There is no magic bullet that I have found. But there are some good

ones out there and oleander is the best bullet I have found. I have

also found that it is a good idea to have more than one bullet in your

gun.

Based on my own research of thousands of hours and years into oleander

and other alternative treatments, including writing a book about

oleander, oleander has been about as successful overall as anything out

there. Doctor Ozel in Turkey, who was forced to use mainstream surgery,

chemo and/or radiation as a first option and only use oleander after

those had failed, or as a complimentary treatment, had an overall

success rate of 72% for a wide range of cancers.

Marc Swanepoel has distributed his Sutherlandia OPC supplement

containing 80% oleander extract and 20% Sutherlandia frutescens (The

South Africa Cancer Bush) to hundreds of people over the past five plus

years with a wide variety of cancers and stages, many of whom had had

prior mainstream treatments. At last count, three people did not

survive who came to him with only days left to live, five died of major

organ failure who had all had prior chemo and all the rest are still

alive, most of whom are either cancer free or with cancers in remission

or shrinking. Two people stopped the protocol and the cancer returned

and they are now back on it.

In my own " Oleandersoup " group, which is over 5 years old now, we

now have almost 1400 members. I am not aware of anyone who had not had

mainstream chemo and/or radiation first who began the suggested

protocol, or even much of it, who is not still alive - and I am aware of

only a handful who did have mainstream treatments first who are not

still alive. Now, many of the members have only been there a couple of

years or less, and many are still fighting their cancers. Also, I have

not tracked all the members to see what they have done or how they have

faired - but the lack of bouncing emails indicates that they are still

around. I do know that we have had many success stories and the record

would appear to be a good one regardless.

Some of our members tried protocel without success before coming to our

group, btw. My main objection, or concern, with protocel, besides

Webster Kehr not ranking it that high, is that it seems to be a tricky

protocol that must be followed pretty exactly and there are just too

many good things I would want to do that it forbids.

To answer your question about what I would do - I would do as much of my

suggested protocol as possible. Likely all of it.

The protocol is posted freely in the group files as well as in my

articles section of my website tbyil.com.

All the best,

Tony

>

> no problem tony

>

> what would be your protocol if you had to take the journey?also,is

there a site or group where i can see success rates for example

comparing

> protocel to oleander?

>

>

> bobby

>

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