Re: chemotherapy in 82 year old woman

[Guest guest]

I will let you know but perhaps not soon enough. I am on chemotherapy;

took some essiac tea capsules and Pau D arco capsules; could not stand the

tea. I plan on doing a detox soon and then will move to parasitic cleanse,

but will not have another PET scan until sometime in March or April. It

seems like I am just whizzing by with the chemo with no side effects at all.

Good Luck and God Bless...Sharon

-- [ ] chemotherapy in 82 year old woman

My 82 year old mother is currently in the hospital. She has had

cancer before about 30 years ago, first cervical cancer, then bladder

cancer, and then a benign tumor removed from her leg about 10 years

ago.

She has been ill for about 7 months and the doctors are just now

suspecting cancer of the lymphnodes. Diagnoses is not definite yet.

But they say the treatment is chemotherapy. I am very much concerned

that she would not survive chemotherapy. She is in a weakened

condition, can not keep food down and has lost a considerable amount

of weight. She now weighs at about 113 pounds.

She has never been open to alternative therapy, but has stated now

that she will do " anything " to beat this. I am not in favor of

chemotherapy, but that is what she is willing to do. Perhaps I might

be able to help her with alternative treatment to detoxify the body

from the chemo.

Has anyone ever used an alternative method to detoxify the body in

addition to taking the chemo? If so, what did you do and what were

the effects?

I have thought about Essiac tea and Hulda 's protocol of ridding

parasites and pollutants. I am not definite yet on the best path to

take in doing this.

Any suggestions will be appreciated. She is still near and dear to us

and although she has lived a long life, she could live yet more years.

Thank you.

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your answer.

Did you make the Essiac tea capsules yourself? Or where did you buy

them?

Do you think the capsules are as effective as the tea?

She might be more willing to take capsules than tea. She is a 2 year

old when it comes to taking medicine. Won't take anything that

doesn't taste good to her.

> I will let you know but perhaps not soon enough. I am on

chemotherapy;

> took some essiac tea capsules and Pau D arco capsules; could not

stand the

> tea. I plan on doing a detox soon and then will move to parasitic

cleanse,

> but will not have another PET scan until sometime in March or

April. It

> seems like I am just whizzing by with the chemo with no side

effects at all.

> Good Luck and God Bless...Sharon

>

> -- [ ] chemotherapy in 82 year old woman

>

> My 82 year old mother is currently in the hospital. She has had

> cancer before about 30 years ago, first cervical cancer, then

bladder

> cancer, and then a benign tumor removed from her leg about 10 years

> ago.

> She has been ill for about 7 months and the doctors are just now

> suspecting cancer of the lymphnodes. Diagnoses is not definite yet.

> But they say the treatment is chemotherapy. I am very much

concerned

> that she would not survive chemotherapy. She is in a weakened

> condition, can not keep food down and has lost a considerable

amount

> of weight. She now weighs at about 113 pounds.

> She has never been open to alternative therapy, but has stated now

> that she will do " anything " to beat this. I am not in favor of

> chemotherapy, but that is what she is willing to do. Perhaps I

might

> be able to help her with alternative treatment to detoxify the body

> from the chemo.

> Has anyone ever used an alternative method to detoxify the body in

> addition to taking the chemo? If so, what did you do and what were

> the effects?

> I have thought about Essiac tea and Hulda 's protocol of

ridding

> parasites and pollutants. I am not definite yet on the best path to

> take in doing this.

> Any suggestions will be appreciated. She is still near and dear to

us

> and although she has lived a long life, she could live yet more

years.

> Thank you.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

how is this PAU' D ARCO tea , with respect to ESSIAC TEA ?

[ ] chemotherapy in 82 year old woman

>

> My 82 year old mother is currently in the hospital. She has had

> cancer before about 30 years ago, first cervical cancer, then

bladder

> cancer, and then a benign tumor removed from her leg about 10 years

> ago.

> She has been ill for about 7 months and the doctors are just now

> suspecting cancer of the lymphnodes. Diagnoses is not definite yet.

> But they say the treatment is chemotherapy. I am very much

concerned

> that she would not survive chemotherapy. She is in a weakened

> condition, can not keep food down and has lost a considerable

amount

> of weight. She now weighs at about 113 pounds.

> She has never been open to alternative therapy, but has stated now

> that she will do " anything " to beat this. I am not in favor of

> chemotherapy, but that is what she is willing to do. Perhaps I

might

> be able to help her with alternative treatment to detoxify the body

> from the chemo.

> Has anyone ever used an alternative method to detoxify the body in

> addition to taking the chemo? If so, what did you do and what were

> the effects?

> I have thought about Essiac tea and Hulda 's protocol of

ridding

> parasites and pollutants. I am not definite yet on the best path to

> take in doing this.

> Any suggestions will be appreciated. She is still near and dear to

us

> and although she has lived a long life, she could live yet more

years.

> Thank you.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm a cancer patient and also a retired nurse. It is very important to let the

doctor know if and what alternatives your mother might try. Chemo is designed

to kill off the cancer cells and something as simple as some vitamins can

actually protect the cancer cells from the chemo drugs. You either need to be

very versed on the options you are going to try or find someone who is. There

is no point in going through the misery of chemo if something else you are

doing is going to block it's effects. Good luck to you and your mom.

At 01:06 AM 01/26/04 +0000, you wrote:

>

> My 82 year old mother is currently in the hospital. She has had

> cancer before about 30 years ago, first cervical cancer, then bladder

> cancer, and then a benign tumor removed from her leg about 10 years

> ago.

> She has been ill for about 7 months and the doctors are just now

> suspecting cancer of the lymphnodes. Diagnoses is not definite yet.

> But they say the treatment is chemotherapy. I am very much concerned

> that she would not survive chemotherapy. She is in a weakened

> condition, can not keep food down and has lost a considerable amount

> of weight. She now weighs at about 113 pounds.

> She has never been open to alternative therapy, but has stated now

> that she will do " anything " to beat this. I am not in favor of

> chemotherapy, but that is what she is willing to do. Perhaps I might

> be able to help her with alternative treatment to detoxify the body

> from the chemo.

> Has anyone ever used an alternative method to detoxify the body in

> addition to taking the chemo? If so, what did you do and what were

> the effects?

> I have thought about Essiac tea and Hulda 's protocol of ridding

> parasites and pollutants. I am not definite yet on the best path to

> take in doing this.

> Any suggestions will be appreciated. She is still near and dear to us

> and although she has lived a long life, she could live yet more years.

> Thank you.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am battling breast cancer and underwent neo-adjuvent chemotherapy. I had a

tumor that was over 5 centimeters. I was suppose to get 6 chemo treatments

before having breast surgery. I underwent 4 treatments, also took a supplement

called Haelan which is a fermanted soy beverage which the doctors didn't know I

was taking and there is no tumor left. It totally disappeared. I really

believe the Haelan did it. There has been a study done on it working well with

chemo and radiation. It also helps to boost your immune system. Noone can

believe I've had chemotherapy. I look great! The product is expensive, but I

figure what price can you put on life. You can research the product at

haelan951.com. Also, there have been articles written in the Journel of Well

Being on it too at sagepartners.com. I can give you the phone number of the

woman (Patty Saccoman) in one of the articles who cured herself of breast cancer

without chemo, surgery or radiation. She totally believes it was the Haelan

that did it. You can also order the Haelan through her. Her husband is a

retired doctor and he started selling it in his practice. I need to warn you,

the taste is terrible. It will definitely help your mother. There are no

doubts about it, if she can choke it down. I could give her some tips on how to

get it down if she decides to take it. If you want to speak directly to someone

at Haelan, the phone number is 800-542-3526. You really need to check into

this. This is what you're looking for.

Good Luck!

P.S. Let me know if I can help you further.

[ ] chemotherapy in 82 year old woman

My 82 year old mother is currently in the hospital. She has had

cancer before about 30 years ago, first cervical cancer, then bladder

cancer, and then a benign tumor removed from her leg about 10 years

ago.

She has been ill for about 7 months and the doctors are just now

suspecting cancer of the lymphnodes. Diagnoses is not definite yet.

But they say the treatment is chemotherapy. I am very much concerned

that she would not survive chemotherapy. She is in a weakened

condition, can not keep food down and has lost a considerable amount

of weight. She now weighs at about 113 pounds.

She has never been open to alternative therapy, but has stated now

that she will do " anything " to beat this. I am not in favor of

chemotherapy, but that is what she is willing to do. Perhaps I might

be able to help her with alternative treatment to detoxify the body

from the chemo.

Has anyone ever used an alternative method to detoxify the body in

addition to taking the chemo? If so, what did you do and what were

the effects?

I have thought about Essiac tea and Hulda 's protocol of ridding

parasites and pollutants. I am not definite yet on the best path to

take in doing this.

Any suggestions will be appreciated. She is still near and dear to us

and although she has lived a long life, she could live yet more years.

Thank you.

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I am interested in your information on Haelan 951 but admit to being fearful

about taking it at the same time.

I know most DR won't like this alternative treatment (at least not for me),

as they seem to not recommend soy products of any kind once you have had Breast

Cancer. My cancer is/was E-, P- and Her2- and all the DR I have spoken with

tell me: Soy products are not a good idea for Breast Cancer Patients. I get

the impression that we need to be careful with our delicate hormone balance. The

DRs apparently are concerned that by adding any type of hormones to your

system you would be taking a risk with encouraging cancer growth.

When it comes to soy products ... I was told that They didn't want me going

out of my way to add it to my diet. They also said there was no need to go out

of my way to avoid it either. Just don't add soy on purpose. They told me

that there is so much hidden soy in products now that we get plenty of soy in

our everyday life without even knowing it and we would be surprised at how much

we already get. They suggested I start reading labels to see for myself. That

deliberately adding even more to our systems would not be advisable. They

also didn't want me adding any types of Progesterone to my system either.

They were not picking on soy and this information was included in with other

suggestions. Such as the fact that cancer patients have a compromised IMMUNE

SYSTEM even when not in treatment. I was told to watch cleaning products,

always wear gloves when cleaning and some other helpful " DOs & DON'Ts " tidbits.

Back to the subject at hand, would there be many testimonials on this or any

DR studies showing effectiveness or safety issues?

Thanks, Sue

..

[Guest guest]

I do them both in capsules. I won't know how they work until I get another

bone scan or PET scan. I usually get mine from www.vitacost.com .

-- [ ] chemotherapy in 82 year old woman

>

> My 82 year old mother is currently in the hospital. She has had

> cancer before about 30 years ago, first cervical cancer, then

bladder

> cancer, and then a benign tumor removed from her leg about 10 years

> ago.

> She has been ill for about 7 months and the doctors are just now

> suspecting cancer of the lymphnodes. Diagnoses is not definite yet.

> But they say the treatment is chemotherapy. I am very much

concerned

> that she would not survive chemotherapy. She is in a weakened

> condition, can not keep food down and has lost a considerable

amount

> of weight. She now weighs at about 113 pounds.

> She has never been open to alternative therapy, but has stated now

> that she will do " anything " to beat this. I am not in favor of

> chemotherapy, but that is what she is willing to do. Perhaps I

might

> be able to help her with alternative treatment to detoxify the body

> from the chemo.

> Has anyone ever used an alternative method to detoxify the body in

> addition to taking the chemo? If so, what did you do and what were

> the effects?

> I have thought about Essiac tea and Hulda 's protocol of

ridding

> parasites and pollutants. I am not definite yet on the best path to

> take in doing this.

> Any suggestions will be appreciated. She is still near and dear to

us

> and although she has lived a long life, she could live yet more

years.

> Thank you.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I bought the capsules from our local general nutrition store. I know the

herbalist and mentioned that I made essiac tea and could not stand the taste

and she showed me a bottle of E-tea, same thing, she said but may be more

potent. I am sure if you do a search on the web for essiac tea, the capsule

form should come up.

God bless, Sharon.

-- [ ] chemotherapy in 82 year old woman

>

> My 82 year old mother is currently in the hospital. She has had

> cancer before about 30 years ago, first cervical cancer, then

bladder

> cancer, and then a benign tumor removed from her leg about 10 years

> ago.

> She has been ill for about 7 months and the doctors are just now

> suspecting cancer of the lymphnodes. Diagnoses is not definite yet.

> But they say the treatment is chemotherapy. I am very much

concerned

> that she would not survive chemotherapy. She is in a weakened

> condition, can not keep food down and has lost a considerable

amount

> of weight. She now weighs at about 113 pounds.

> She has never been open to alternative therapy, but has stated now

> that she will do " anything " to beat this. I am not in favor of

> chemotherapy, but that is what she is willing to do. Perhaps I

might

> be able to help her with alternative treatment to detoxify the body

> from the chemo.

> Has anyone ever used an alternative method to detoxify the body in

> addition to taking the chemo? If so, what did you do and what were

> the effects?

> I have thought about Essiac tea and Hulda 's protocol of

ridding

> parasites and pollutants. I am not definite yet on the best path to

> take in doing this.

> Any suggestions will be appreciated. She is still near and dear to

us

> and although she has lived a long life, she could live yet more

years.

> Thank you.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the information. I will certainly use this in

presenting alternatives to my mother.

She had been vomiting and couldn't keep anything down before I

took her to the hospital. She has been on an IV and has eaten

some bland hospital foods.

I tried the sagepartners.com url and couldn't get anything to

come up. But I did get the website for the haelan.

I would like to get the phone numbers you offered. This will help

when I talk to my mother and maybe if she talks to someone who

has used it, it would help her to try it. You can email me off list.

She has an operation this evening to take abdominal fluids. I

don't even know if I will be able to make it to the hospital. It is

about a 45 minute drive and we are having the snowstorm of the

year today, but I am going to try to get there.

> I am battling breast cancer and underwent neo-adjuvent

chemotherapy. I had a tumor that was over 5 centimeters. I was

suppose to get 6 chemo treatments before having breast

surgery. I underwent 4 treatments, also took a supplement

called Haelan which is a fermanted soy beverage which the

doctors didn't know I was taking and there is no tumor left. It

totally disappeared. I really believe the Haelan did it. There has

been a study done on it working well with chemo and radiation.

It also helps to boost your immune system. Noone can believe

I've had chemotherapy. I look great! The product is expensive,

but I figure what price can you put on life. You can research the

product at haelan951.com. Also, there have been articles written

in the Journel of Well Being on it too at sagepartners.com. I can

give you the phone number of the woman (Patty Saccoman) in

one of the articles who cured herself of breast cancer without

chemo, surgery or radiation. She totally believes it was the

Haelan that did it. You can also order the Haelan through her.

Her husband is a retired doctor and he started selling it in his

practice. I need to warn you, the taste is terrible. It will definitely

help your mother. There are no doubts about it, if she can choke

it down. I could give her some tips on how to get it down if she

decides to take it. If you want to speak directly to someone at

Haelan, the phone number is 800-542-3526. You really need to

check into this. This is what you're looking for.

> Good Luck!

> P.S. Let me know if I can help you further.

> [ ] chemotherapy in 82 year old woman

>

>

> My 82 year old mother is currently in the hospital. She has had

> cancer before about 30 years ago, first cervical cancer, then

bladder

> cancer, and then a benign tumor removed from her leg about

10 years

> ago.

> She has been ill for about 7 months and the doctors are just

now

> suspecting cancer of the lymphnodes. Diagnoses is not

definite yet.

> But they say the treatment is chemotherapy. I am very much

concerned

> that she would not survive chemotherapy. She is in a

weakened

> condition, can not keep food down and has lost a

considerable amount

> of weight. She now weighs at about 113 pounds.

> She has never been open to alternative therapy, but has

stated now

> that she will do " anything " to beat this. I am not in favor of

> chemotherapy, but that is what she is willing to do. Perhaps I

might

> be able to help her with alternative treatment to detoxify the

body

> from the chemo.

> Has anyone ever used an alternative method to detoxify the

body in

> addition to taking the chemo? If so, what did you do and what

were

> the effects?

> I have thought about Essiac tea and Hulda 's protocol of

ridding

> parasites and pollutants. I am not definite yet on the best path

to

> take in doing this.

> Any suggestions will be appreciated. She is still near and

dear to us

> and although she has lived a long life, she could live yet more

years.

> Thank you.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you about soy to a certain extent. I have read a lot of

bad things about it and you can't get me to eat it knowingly either.

But the one thing that I noticed about this soy product is that it is

a fermented product. From what I understand that makes all the

difference in how it is assimilated in the body.

I have read things about it at the following websites:

http://www.westonaprice.org/

http://www.price-pottenger.org/

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/home.htm

I can understand your position having breast cancer. For my

mother who has never eaten healthy in her life and is currently in

a life/death situation, I am willing to try it.

What type of information did your doctors give you about wearing

gloves when cleaning, compromised immune system and stuff?

These are suggestions I would like to show my mother. She just

thinks I am a " health nut " and picks these things out of the air. If I

can give her written information she may believe it.

> Hi,

>

> I am interested in your information on Haelan 951 but admit to

being fearful

> about taking it at the same time.

> I know most DR won't like this alternative treatment (at least

not for me),

> as they seem to not recommend soy products of any kind once

you have had Breast

> Cancer. My cancer is/was E-, P- and Her2- and all the DR I

have spoken with

> tell me: Soy products are not a good idea for Breast Cancer

Patients. I get

> the impression that we need to be careful with our delicate

hormone balance. The

> DRs apparently are concerned that by adding any type of

hormones to your

> system you would be taking a risk with encouraging cancer

growth.

>

> When it comes to soy products ... I was told that They didn't

want me going

> out of my way to add it to my diet. They also said there was no

need to go out

> of my way to avoid it either. Just don't add soy on purpose.

They told me

> that there is so much hidden soy in products now that we get

plenty of soy in

> our everyday life without even knowing it and we would be

surprised at how much

> we already get. They suggested I start reading labels to see for

myself. That

> deliberately adding even more to our systems would not be

advisable. They

> also didn't want me adding any types of Progesterone to my

system either.

>

> They were not picking on soy and this information was

included in with other

> suggestions. Such as the fact that cancer patients have a

compromised IMMUNE

> SYSTEM even when not in treatment. I was told to watch

cleaning products,

> always wear gloves when cleaning and some other helpful

" DOs & DON'Ts " tidbits.

>

> Back to the subject at hand, would there be many testimonials

on this or any

> DR studies showing effectiveness or safety issues?

>

> Thanks, Sue

>

>

>

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I understand exactly what you are saying. My doctors have said the same thing.

You really need to research Haelan951. After I did the research I found out

that it actually locks into your binder receptors at a much lower estrogen level

than your natural estrogen. It actually lowers your estrogen! Also, the

doctors are quick to put you on Tamoxifen. That can cause uterine cancer. Why

would you want to trade one risk for another. There is a lot of information on

Haelan helping breast cancer patients. Call the company and they will send you

the information. The doctors don't know about Haelan because they operate in a

box. All they know is what they've learned in school and what pharmaceutical

companies are pumping into them. Not even my alternative doctors had heard of

Haelan. I also had estrogen receptor positive breast cancer. I wouldn't be

recommending or taking something that I wasn't 100% positive about. My doctors

can't believe my case. And the fact that I'm not doing the required surgery is

unprecedented. I'm still looking for woman who have fought this without

surgery. One I know of is Patty Saccoman who takes Haelan. The other is

Lorraine Day. I know it can be done. We can't let the doctors scare us into

doing things their way. Let me know what you decide.

Good Luck!

Re: [ ] chemotherapy in 82 year old woman

Hi,

I am interested in your information on Haelan 951 but admit to being fearful

about taking it at the same time.

I know most DR won't like this alternative treatment (at least not for me),

as they seem to not recommend soy products of any kind once you have had

Breast

Cancer. My cancer is/was E-, P- and Her2- and all the DR I have spoken with

tell me: Soy products are not a good idea for Breast Cancer Patients. I get

the impression that we need to be careful with our delicate hormone balance.

The

DRs apparently are concerned that by adding any type of hormones to your

system you would be taking a risk with encouraging cancer growth.

When it comes to soy products ... I was told that They didn't want me going

out of my way to add it to my diet. They also said there was no need to go

out

of my way to avoid it either. Just don't add soy on purpose. They told me

that there is so much hidden soy in products now that we get plenty of soy in

our everyday life without even knowing it and we would be surprised at how

much

we already get. They suggested I start reading labels to see for myself. That

deliberately adding even more to our systems would not be advisable. They

also didn't want me adding any types of Progesterone to my system either.

They were not picking on soy and this information was included in with other

suggestions. Such as the fact that cancer patients have a compromised IMMUNE

SYSTEM even when not in treatment. I was told to watch cleaning products,

always wear gloves when cleaning and some other helpful " DOs & DON'Ts "

tidbits.

Back to the subject at hand, would there be many testimonials on this or any

DR studies showing effectiveness or safety issues?

Thanks, Sue

.

[Guest guest]

You are exactly right! It's not pasturized. The beans are high quality, grown

in high quality soil found in Mongolia. I will e-mail you off-line later today.

I've got to get to work right now. Keep researching and call Haelan at

800-542-3526.

[ ] Re: chemotherapy in 82 year old woman

I agree with you about soy to a certain extent. I have read a lot of

bad things about it and you can't get me to eat it knowingly either.

But the one thing that I noticed about this soy product is that it is

a fermented product. From what I understand that makes all the

difference in how it is assimilated in the body.

I have read things about it at the following websites:

http://www.westonaprice.org/

http://www.price-pottenger.org/

http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/home.htm

I can understand your position having breast cancer. For my

mother who has never eaten healthy in her life and is currently in

a life/death situation, I am willing to try it.

What type of information did your doctors give you about wearing

gloves when cleaning, compromised immune system and stuff?

These are suggestions I would like to show my mother. She just

thinks I am a " health nut " and picks these things out of the air. If I

can give her written information she may believe it.

> Hi,

>

> I am interested in your information on Haelan 951 but admit to

being fearful

> about taking it at the same time.

> I know most DR won't like this alternative treatment (at least

not for me),

> as they seem to not recommend soy products of any kind once

you have had Breast

> Cancer. My cancer is/was E-, P- and Her2- and all the DR I

have spoken with

> tell me: Soy products are not a good idea for Breast Cancer

Patients. I get

> the impression that we need to be careful with our delicate

hormone balance. The

> DRs apparently are concerned that by adding any type of

hormones to your

> system you would be taking a risk with encouraging cancer

growth.

>

> When it comes to soy products ... I was told that They didn't

want me going

> out of my way to add it to my diet. They also said there was no

need to go out

> of my way to avoid it either. Just don't add soy on purpose.

They told me

> that there is so much hidden soy in products now that we get

plenty of soy in

> our everyday life without even knowing it and we would be

surprised at how much

> we already get. They suggested I start reading labels to see for

myself. That

> deliberately adding even more to our systems would not be

advisable. They

> also didn't want me adding any types of Progesterone to my

system either.

>

> They were not picking on soy and this information was

included in with other

> suggestions. Such as the fact that cancer patients have a

compromised IMMUNE

> SYSTEM even when not in treatment. I was told to watch

cleaning products,

> always wear gloves when cleaning and some other helpful

" DOs & DON'Ts " tidbits.

>

> Back to the subject at hand, would there be many testimonials

on this or any

> DR studies showing effectiveness or safety issues?

>

> Thanks, Sue

>

>

>

> .

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Soy, generally speaking, is bad stuff and should be avoided. The bad stuff it

contains cannot be removed by cooking, only by fermentation. Now that is not to

say that everything in soy is bad. Along with some things that can actually

increase one's chances of getting cancer are other things that can help in

fighting cancer. In that respect it is a two-edged sword.

The only way through the morass is to educate oneself. Of course that can be

said about most anything. Remember, " A little learning is a dangerous thing.

Drink deep or taste not of the Pierion Spring. There, shallow draughts

intoxicate the brain, while drinking largely sobers us again. "

>I agree with you about soy to a certain extent. I have read a lot of

>bad things about it and you can't get me to eat it knowingly either.

>But the one thing that I noticed about this soy product is that it is

>a fermented product. From what I understand that makes all the

>difference in how it is assimilated in the body.

>I have read things about it at the following websites:

>http://www.westonaprice.org/

>http://www.price-pottenger.org/

>http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/home.htm

[snip]

--

Neil Jensen: neil@...

The WWW VL: Sumeria http://www.sumeria.net/

" Dragons is sooooo stupid! " -- Yosemite Sam

[Guest guest]

Re: [ ] chemotherapy in 82 year old woman

>> " It is very important to let the doctor know if and what alternatives your

mother might try " .

The sad point is that this would be counterproductive. Most alopathic MD's,

Radiotherapists and Chemotherapists

know less about the efficacy of using antioxidents, herbs and other

supplements while on orthodox therapies than donkies know about fruit

salads.

As a result, they use a " blanket " type policy and advice against and most

often prohibit their patients from using any during ortodox treatments. That

is not just wrong it is CRIMINAL!!

While it is true that certain (very few) antioxidents and other substances

such as curcumin, hypericum, glutathion, Artemisinin (during radiotherapy

only) and perhaps high dose vitamin C might interfere with only certain

types of chemo drugs or radiotherapy, studies show that 90% of all herbs,

and antioxidents not only don't interfere, but help protect healthy cells

while the cancer cells are under the attack of the toxic treatment.

Gubi

[Guest guest]

The problem with telling the doctor about the Haelan is they know absolutely

nothing about it. Also, they won't take the time to research it. Do the

research and follow your gut.

Re: [ ] chemotherapy in 82 year old woman

>> " It is very important to let the doctor know if and what alternatives your

mother might try " .

The sad point is that this would be counterproductive. Most alopathic MD's,

Radiotherapists and Chemotherapists

know less about the efficacy of using antioxidents, herbs and other

supplements while on orthodox therapies than donkies know about fruit

salads.

As a result, they use a " blanket " type policy and advice against and most

often prohibit their patients from using any during ortodox treatments. That

is not just wrong it is CRIMINAL!!

While it is true that certain (very few) antioxidents and other substances

such as curcumin, hypericum, glutathion, Artemisinin (during radiotherapy

only) and perhaps high dose vitamin C might interfere with only certain

types of chemo drugs or radiotherapy, studies show that 90% of all herbs,

and antioxidents not only don't interfere, but help protect healthy cells

while the cancer cells are under the attack of the toxic treatment.

Gubi

[Guest guest]

Thor 610: How do I e-mail you offline?

[ ] chemotherapy in 82 year old woman

>

>

> My 82 year old mother is currently in the hospital. She has had

> cancer before about 30 years ago, first cervical cancer, then

bladder

> cancer, and then a benign tumor removed from her leg about

10 years

> ago.

> She has been ill for about 7 months and the doctors are just

now

> suspecting cancer of the lymphnodes. Diagnoses is not

definite yet.

> But they say the treatment is chemotherapy. I am very much

concerned

> that she would not survive chemotherapy. She is in a

weakened

> condition, can not keep food down and has lost a

considerable amount

> of weight. She now weighs at about 113 pounds.

> She has never been open to alternative therapy, but has

stated now

> that she will do " anything " to beat this. I am not in favor of

> chemotherapy, but that is what she is willing to do. Perhaps I

might

> be able to help her with alternative treatment to detoxify the

body

> from the chemo.

> Has anyone ever used an alternative method to detoxify the

body in

> addition to taking the chemo? If so, what did you do and what

were

> the effects?

> I have thought about Essiac tea and Hulda 's protocol of

ridding

> parasites and pollutants. I am not definite yet on the best path

to

> take in doing this.

> Any suggestions will be appreciated. She is still near and

dear to us

> and although she has lived a long life, she could live yet more

years.

> Thank you.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for saying that!!

-- Re: [ ] chemotherapy in 82 year old woman

Re: [ ] chemotherapy in 82 year old woman

>> " It is very important to let the doctor know if and what alternatives your

mother might try " .

The sad point is that this would be counterproductive. Most alopathic MD's,

Radiotherapists and Chemotherapists

know less about the efficacy of using antioxidents, herbs and other

supplements while on orthodox therapies than donkies know about fruit

salads.

As a result, they use a " blanket " type policy and advice against and most

often prohibit their patients from using any during ortodox treatments. That

is not just wrong it is CRIMINAL!!

While it is true that certain (very few) antioxidents and other substances

such as curcumin, hypericum, glutathion, Artemisinin (during radiotherapy

only) and perhaps high dose vitamin C might interfere with only certain

types of chemo drugs or radiotherapy, studies show that 90% of all herbs,

and antioxidents not only don't interfere, but help protect healthy cells

while the cancer cells are under the attack of the toxic treatment.

Gubi

[Guest guest]

I agree. Maybe I'm spoiled since my oncologist is very knowledgeable about

alternative medicine and even promotes some of it to his patients. Most cancer

hospitals have nutritionists who can sometimes help, providing they are up on

herbs, supplements, etc. If that is a dead end then most communities have some

holistic practitioners who might be able to help. The best approach is always

to educate yourself, but there is so much to understand and consider it can be

over whelming when you get down to the wire of having to go in for chemo. I do

think more and more doctors are becoming better informed about alternatives.

They have to when so many of their patients are experimenting with them.

At 04:15 PM 01/27/04 -0700, you wrote:

>

> The problem with telling the doctor about the Haelan is they know absolutely

> nothing about it. Also, they won't take the time to research it. Do the

> research and follow your gut.

> Re: [ ] chemotherapy in 82 year old woman

>

>

> >> " It is very important to let the doctor know if and what alternatives

> your

> mother might try " .

>

> The sad point is that this would be counterproductive. Most alopathic MD's,

> Radiotherapists and Chemotherapists

> know less about the efficacy of using antioxidents, herbs and other

> supplements while on orthodox therapies than donkies know about fruit

> salads.

> As a result, they use a " blanket " type policy and advice against and most

> often prohibit their patients from using any during ortodox treatments.

> That

> is not just wrong it is CRIMINAL!!

> While it is true that certain (very few) antioxidents and other substances

> such as curcumin, hypericum, glutathion, Artemisinin (during radiotherapy

> only) and perhaps high dose vitamin C might interfere with only certain

> types of chemo drugs or radiotherapy, studies show that 90% of all herbs,

> and antioxidents not only don't interfere, but help protect healthy cells

> while the cancer cells are under the attack of the toxic treatment.

>

> Gubi

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I thought my email address showed. It is thor610@...

> Thor 610: How do I e-mail you offline?

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have to agree with you. I am from Cleveland, Ohio and we have some of the

finest hospitals here, such as the Cleveland Clinic, University (Ireland

Cancer Center - a NCI hospital) and Metro. We have probably 20 smaller hospital

throughout the city and neighboring communities and used to have More big

hospitals, but some are closing and many are consolidating. We lost 2 Major

hospitals this year. I have been to all of the large ones and perhaps 5 of the

smaller

ones throughout my lifetime and treatment time frames. The point being I

have spoken with many different practicioners from different places and NOT ONCE

did anyone ever object to my using alternstive treatments along with my

traditional ones. Infact it has been the opposite. Maybe it is because I am in

an

area with up to date ideas and treatments that I don't have a problem.

An example would be: When I had my overies removed after my first bout with

Breast Cancer I wanted HRT (OK, I didn't know any better at the time) and my

GYN told me to take vitamin E 2x a day instead. I could recite numerous other

examples like this. I have heard other things like this from friends and

relatives.

I don't believe that the medical profession is against alternative

treatments, I think they are not up on everything (who could be?) and are

worried that

we won't do our homework and just take anything willy-nilly, thus doing

ourselves more harm than good. Not to mention I think it might be illegal for

them to

practice outside of their field. I have even had a few DR TELL ME THEY DON'T

OBJECT, BUT THAT THEY ARE ALSO NOT EDUCATED IN THIS FIELD SO CAN'T OFFER ANY

ADVICE OR JUST DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT TO COMMENT. I see nothing wrong

with that type of honesty. I have also had DR tell me, that whatever I am doing

-- keep doing it because it is working. So that seems to be a seal of

approval to me.

I have to agree with some previous posters too. It is true that our DR don't

know everything about this topic, but isn't that the same within the medical

world too? We all have to go to a specialist for everything. Our Drs. won't

step out of their field the tiniest bit. They will send us on to the GYN,

Gastro, onc, ect... Why would you expect the alternative field to be any

different?

My DR will ask me if I do alternative and what I take. When I tell them I

just take regular vitamin, minerals or food type herbs. They aren't concerned

in the least. They said as long as I am not taking huge-mega doses, that it is

fine. Now a few have tossed in, " be careful what I take -- learn about it or

go to someone who has knowledge about them, because if I am not careful I

could really hurt myself. " Now that statement is very true. I have even been

told the same thing at a few health food stores. Like never mix an upper and a

downer herb -- that I could kill myself if I took enough. So I think my Drs.

were just looking out for my best interests when they said that. They don't

even want a list of what I take, because they feel I am being cautious about

what

I am taking. The only thing I have been told is what might conflict with

what medicines I am taking. I am always glad for that information.

Now unbelievably at my Regular DR Office, he has am assistant who actually is

well versed in the alternative field. He himself is very big into all of it.

He and his family are vegetarians and big into juicing. He helped me with

quite a few helpful hints. But at the same time, he doesn't know about every

alternative option out there and to be honest neither do I. And I try to keep

up. What he did do was give me his personal card and told me to feel free to

call him about any new or different things I may have interest in. If he knows

about it he will tell me his opinion and/or advice. If he doesn't know about it

he will try to find someone who does. He said if I have interest in it, it

means probably some other patients might also so he should be up on it incase he

needs to know. I think that is about as helpful as he could get. I feel the

medical field is coming along, it is just coming slowly. Remember everything

has to be proven before these guys will OK it. I try understand why they feel

this way, after all they are responsible for hundreds of peoples lives and I

am sure they take that quite seriously. I just try to be open minded and look

at things from the other point of view.

But I have heard some horror type stories about some DR just completely

objecting to it, too. I guess if I were one of their patients I would ask them

why

they felt the way they did. If I didn't agree with their answer, they

wouldn't be the best DR for me. I would just look around for a new DR more open

minded. I would drive pretty far to get a DR I liked. I am just glad I haven't

been put in that position.

Well, this is just my experiece and thoughts on this.

Sue, In Ohio

..

[Guest guest]

For all of those who answered my inquiry about chemotherapy

for my mother, I thank you for all of your suggestions and

thoughts.

Unfortunately my mother died last night.

I will be signing off of this list.

And again thank you for your support.