Re: to Phil and Group (letter to my enocrinologist)

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I am confused by your corrleation of estradiol and HCG. Whether or

not your estradiol is high has nothing to do with whether HCG will

work for you.

The only thing that will determine if HCG will NOT work for you is

if your LH and FSH test HIGH prior to any hormone therapy. In

virtually all other scenarios, HCG is a good thing to try.

Also note, YES Androgel will cause your testicles to stop producing

testosterone because your LH and FSH will shut down production

completely, HOWEVER, you can keep your testicles in action by adding

HCG in addition to the Androgel. This is only necessary if HCG alone

is not enough to do the trick (which, unfortunately, it usually is

not).

Another note: Your T level is way too low whether it is in the 200's

or 100's. Mine was 360 prior to any therapy and it was wayyyy to low

for me. You need to address your low hormones. They are likely what

drives you to drink a lot as well.

Finally: I would be suprised if you get an overly positive response

from your endo. Endo's are infamous for not taking patients

direction well, regardless of how solid the base for it is.

Good luck.

Armyguy

> Thank you Group for all your input and links. Here is a fax I just

> sent to my endocrinologist. I hope I composed and conveyed my

> concerns and requests correctly.

> 09 19 04

>

> Dear Dr. xxxxxx,

>

> Could you please add the following tests to my order?

> 1.Prolactin

> 2.Estradiol (E2)

> 3.HGH

> 4. LH (again)

> 5. FSH (again)

>

> I understand that even if testosterne replacement therapy is

> utilitzed, sometimes much of the testosterone can be converted

into

> estrogen compounding health issues.

> If I am high in estrogen, I request that you prescribe Arimidex

> at .05 2x a week. Or I can use an over the counter estrogen

> inhibitor at the health food store GNC (non prohormone). I have

not

> yet started the Androgel because I am highly concerned even

scared

> that as you stated and I also read that androgel can shut down

> testosterone production permanantly and atrophy testicles. I would

> like to try Hcg instead of Androgel if I have high estrogen

levels,

> I am to understand that treating the (If I have it) high estrogen

> then trying to kick start the testies with Hcg can start the

> production of testosterone again. If I do not have high estrogen

> levels, then I think my only route to wellness would be androgel,

> but please Doctor can we give this a try first? I will feel much

> better knowing and trying to get well without long term

testosterone

> replacement therapy.

> I have entirely quit alcohol and at the time of my last

testosterone

> test, I was getting off of an extreme drinking binge along with

> sleeplessness and stress which as you know can all lead to low

> testosterone. Also, I had an extreme case of internal Candida

which

> affects all organs. Dr.xxxxx perscribed diflucan and it helped,

now

> I have cut out all sugar and most complex carbs and am feeling

much

> better.

> As you know tests results from June 7th showed testosterone at

230,

> just a tad low. But in only 2 1/2 months later testosterone was at

> 129, a significant drop in only 2 1/2 months. And that was a hard

2

> 1/2 months of heavy drinking and high stress which as you know

> lowers testosterone.

> I would like to have my testosterone checked again this week as

well.

>

> I would like to get these tests done this week to see if I have

too

> much estrogen. I understand when there is too little testosterone

> present, estrogen attaches to testosterone cell receptor sites

> throughout the body and creates many problems in aging men. In

> youth, low amounts of estrogen are used to turn off the powerful

> cell-stimulating effects of testosterone. As estrogen levels

> increase with age, testosterone cell stimulation may be locked in

> the " off " position, thus reducing sexual arousal and sensation and

> causing the loss of libido so common in aging men (94, 99, 259).

> High serum levels of estrogen also trick the brain into thinking

> that enough testosterone is being produced, further slowing the

> natural production of testosterone. This happens when estrogen

> saturates testosterone receptors in the hypothalamus region of the

> brain. The saturated hypothalamus then stops sending out a hormone

> to the pituitary gland to stimulate secretion of luteinizing

hormone

> that the gonads require to produce testosterone. High estrogen can

> thus shut down the normal testicular production of testosterone

(1,

> 53, 54, 271-277).

>

>

>

>

> I understand the test for prolactin requires a fast for 8-12 hours.

>

> Please inform. Home: xxxxxxxx Fax: xxxxxxxx

>

> Messages may be left on the recorder.

>

>

> Thank you,

>

>

> xxxxx

[Guest guest]

Thanks ArmyGuy,

here are my previous tests results:

The PREvious tests taken august 25th were:

LH 2.0 (normal 1.5 - 9.3)

FSH 5.9 (Normal 0.7 - 18.1)

Thyroxine (T4) Free, Direct, S 1.10 ng/dl (Normal 0.61 - 1.76)

Testosterone, Serum 129 ng/dl (Normal 241 - 827) " I am very low

here "

THS 1.767 uIU/ml (Normal 0.35 - 5.50)

Cortisol 13.1 ug/dl (Normal 3.1 - 22.4)

As you can see the LH and the FSH test in the low/normal range.

I thought if my Estradiol tested low it meant that the testies were

not working, I guess I am wrong and I appreciate your help.

I agree, the endocrinologist probably wont go along with the

program, I may have to find another endocrinologist if he doesnt.

But if my Estradiol tests high, than I would need an amoratase

inhibitor, right? And I will insist on trying the Hcg.

Sincere Thanks

Tony

> > Thank you Group for all your input and links. Here is a fax I

just

> > sent to my endocrinologist. I hope I composed and conveyed my

> > concerns and requests correctly.

> > 09 19 04

> >

> > Dear Dr. xxxxxx,

> >

> > Could you please add the following tests to my order?

> > 1.Prolactin

> > 2.Estradiol (E2)

> > 3.HGH

> > 4. LH (again)

> > 5. FSH (again)

> >

> > I understand that even if testosterne replacement therapy is

> > utilitzed, sometimes much of the testosterone can be converted

> into

> > estrogen compounding health issues.

> > If I am high in estrogen, I request that you prescribe Arimidex

> > at .05 2x a week. Or I can use an over the counter estrogen

> > inhibitor at the health food store GNC (non prohormone). I have

> not

> > yet started the Androgel because I am highly concerned even

> scared

> > that as you stated and I also read that androgel can shut down

> > testosterone production permanantly and atrophy testicles. I

would

> > like to try Hcg instead of Androgel if I have high estrogen

> levels,

> > I am to understand that treating the (If I have it) high

estrogen

> > then trying to kick start the testies with Hcg can start the

> > production of testosterone again. If I do not have high estrogen

> > levels, then I think my only route to wellness would be

androgel,

> > but please Doctor can we give this a try first? I will feel much

> > better knowing and trying to get well without long term

> testosterone

> > replacement therapy.

> > I have entirely quit alcohol and at the time of my last

> testosterone

> > test, I was getting off of an extreme drinking binge along with

> > sleeplessness and stress which as you know can all lead to low

> > testosterone. Also, I had an extreme case of internal Candida

> which

> > affects all organs. Dr.xxxxx perscribed diflucan and it helped,

> now

> > I have cut out all sugar and most complex carbs and am feeling

> much

> > better.

> > As you know tests results from June 7th showed testosterone at

> 230,

> > just a tad low. But in only 2 1/2 months later testosterone was

at

> > 129, a significant drop in only 2 1/2 months. And that was a

hard

> 2

> > 1/2 months of heavy drinking and high stress which as you know

> > lowers testosterone.

> > I would like to have my testosterone checked again this week as

> well.

> >

> > I would like to get these tests done this week to see if I have

> too

> > much estrogen. I understand when there is too little

testosterone

> > present, estrogen attaches to testosterone cell receptor sites

> > throughout the body and creates many problems in aging men. In

> > youth, low amounts of estrogen are used to turn off the powerful

> > cell-stimulating effects of testosterone. As estrogen levels

> > increase with age, testosterone cell stimulation may be locked

in

> > the " off " position, thus reducing sexual arousal and sensation

and

> > causing the loss of libido so common in aging men (94, 99, 259).

> > High serum levels of estrogen also trick the brain into thinking

> > that enough testosterone is being produced, further slowing the

> > natural production of testosterone. This happens when estrogen

> > saturates testosterone receptors in the hypothalamus region of

the

> > brain. The saturated hypothalamus then stops sending out a

hormone

> > to the pituitary gland to stimulate secretion of luteinizing

> hormone

> > that the gonads require to produce testosterone. High estrogen

can

> > thus shut down the normal testicular production of testosterone

> (1,

> > 53, 54, 271-277).

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > I understand the test for prolactin requires a fast for 8-12

hours.

> >

> > Please inform. Home: xxxxxxxx Fax: xxxxxxxx

> >

> > Messages may be left on the recorder.

> >

> >

> > Thank you,

> >

> >

> > xxxxx

[Guest guest]

High estradiol is a problem, but it has nothing to do with whether

HCG will work for you.

Yes, HCG will help, but in the end, my guess is you are going to

need testosterone replacement.

The best though, is testosterone replacement plus HCG, that way you

get teh best of both worlds, natural production, plus added benefit.

In that scenario though, estradiol almost always becomes an issue

and you will need arimidex to manage higher estradiol.

It sounds complicated, and maybe it is a bit, but in the end, the

improvements in your life will be vast.

Armyguy

> > > Thank you Group for all your input and links. Here is a fax I

> just

> > > sent to my endocrinologist. I hope I composed and conveyed my

> > > concerns and requests correctly.

> > > 09 19 04

> > >

> > > Dear Dr. xxxxxx,

> > >

> > > Could you please add the following tests to my order?

> > > 1.Prolactin

> > > 2.Estradiol (E2)

> > > 3.HGH

> > > 4. LH (again)

> > > 5. FSH (again)

> > >

> > > I understand that even if testosterne replacement therapy is

> > > utilitzed, sometimes much of the testosterone can be converted

> > into

> > > estrogen compounding health issues.

> > > If I am high in estrogen, I request that you prescribe

Arimidex

> > > at .05 2x a week. Or I can use an over the counter estrogen

> > > inhibitor at the health food store GNC (non prohormone). I

have

> > not

> > > yet started the Androgel because I am highly concerned even

> > scared

> > > that as you stated and I also read that androgel can shut down

> > > testosterone production permanantly and atrophy testicles. I

> would

> > > like to try Hcg instead of Androgel if I have high estrogen

> > levels,

> > > I am to understand that treating the (If I have it) high

> estrogen

> > > then trying to kick start the testies with Hcg can start the

> > > production of testosterone again. If I do not have high

estrogen

> > > levels, then I think my only route to wellness would be

> androgel,

> > > but please Doctor can we give this a try first? I will feel

much

> > > better knowing and trying to get well without long term

> > testosterone

> > > replacement therapy.

> > > I have entirely quit alcohol and at the time of my last

> > testosterone

> > > test, I was getting off of an extreme drinking binge along

with

> > > sleeplessness and stress which as you know can all lead to low

> > > testosterone. Also, I had an extreme case of internal Candida

> > which

> > > affects all organs. Dr.xxxxx perscribed diflucan and it

helped,

> > now

> > > I have cut out all sugar and most complex carbs and am feeling

> > much

> > > better.

> > > As you know tests results from June 7th showed testosterone at

> > 230,

> > > just a tad low. But in only 2 1/2 months later testosterone

was

> at

> > > 129, a significant drop in only 2 1/2 months. And that was a

> hard

> > 2

> > > 1/2 months of heavy drinking and high stress which as you know

> > > lowers testosterone.

> > > I would like to have my testosterone checked again this week

as

> > well.

> > >

> > > I would like to get these tests done this week to see if I

have

> > too

> > > much estrogen. I understand when there is too little

> testosterone

> > > present, estrogen attaches to testosterone cell receptor sites

> > > throughout the body and creates many problems in aging men. In

> > > youth, low amounts of estrogen are used to turn off the

powerful

> > > cell-stimulating effects of testosterone. As estrogen levels

> > > increase with age, testosterone cell stimulation may be locked

> in

> > > the " off " position, thus reducing sexual arousal and sensation

> and

> > > causing the loss of libido so common in aging men (94, 99,

259).

> > > High serum levels of estrogen also trick the brain into

thinking

> > > that enough testosterone is being produced, further slowing

the

> > > natural production of testosterone. This happens when estrogen

> > > saturates testosterone receptors in the hypothalamus region of

> the

> > > brain. The saturated hypothalamus then stops sending out a

> hormone

> > > to the pituitary gland to stimulate secretion of luteinizing

> > hormone

> > > that the gonads require to produce testosterone. High estrogen

> can

> > > thus shut down the normal testicular production of

testosterone

> > (1,

> > > 53, 54, 271-277).

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I understand the test for prolactin requires a fast for 8-12

> hours.

> > >

> > > Please inform. Home: xxxxxxxx Fax: xxxxxxxx

> > >

> > > Messages may be left on the recorder.

> > >

> > >

> > > Thank you,

> > >

> > >

> > > xxxxx