Re: Sore Joints and Muscles from Testosterone Levels to Low.

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

How long have you been doing the shots in addition to the Testim? (You

probably said this but I've forgotten.)

I would think 200mg/week would keep your T in the 800-1000 range without

any Testim.

I don't know what your co-pay for Testim is. When I was on Androgel 10

mg/day the insurance co-pay was steep, about $95/month. T-cyp & syringes

cost a helluva lot less, at full price without insurance.

Peace,

Bruce

>

> They say in a lot of articles that I have read that if you have high

> E2 Estradiol and you get it down you will have higher levels of

> testosterone on less TRT.

> This was not the case for me before getting my E2 down I would not

> feel good unless my T levels were over 800 my Dr. would keep them at

> 1000. So to do this I would use a Gel now Testim 10 grams a day and

> get a shot 200 mgs every other week. When I got my Estradiol down

> my levels shot way up over what the lab could measure. So we not

> having any experience with this E2 stopped the shots. Then my

> having osteoarthritis in my back and using Vioxx I though all the

> pain I was having was from stopping Vioxx because it was pulled of

> the market. Boy was I wrong. In the last 2 weeks I have gone in to

> my Dr.'s and gotten a 100 mg. shot to see if the pain in my joints

> and muscles would go away. Will the first shot took 2 days to work

> and my pain was 50% better for 3 days. Now the pain came back so

> last Wed. I got a nether shot and today I have no pain. So what is

> it the shots or the levels that cause the pain. Back in the day if

> I got an infection and my levels went down I would got sore joints

> and muscles but the pain was not like this. I think that if my

> levels are to low and my being older the pain is higher because of

> the osteoarthritis getting worse. I asked my Dr. if I could use

> more Testim I am now using 10 grams or 2 tubes he said no I am on

> the highest dose approved by the FDA. So if anyone is doing more

> then 10 grams of Testim or Andorgel please let me know. I am not

> going to do both and if I am going to do shots my BCBS is giving me

> a hard time about paying for the script for the shots and syringes.

> They say that unless the gel is not working they will not pay for

> the shots.

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Phil,

Maybe you could get your doc to write a letter of medical necessity

saying that the gels aren't working for you and that you need to be on

injections?

Mark

[Guest guest]

Bruce has a good point. Needles and syrgines were about 3 bucks for

10 the last time I got some. T-cyp was about 100 bucks a bottle for

generic. This was 10 ml, so 10 200mg doses.

Mark

[Guest guest]

Hi,

The tool used is called a trocar. It has a chisel type sharp end with

a tubular interior. The pellets are usually loaded 10 at a time and

plunged home with a ram behind the pellets.

75mg T pellets are used in women and I don't know of a smaller size

just for women but that doesn't mean much. The wife has been receiving

both T and E pellets since 1991. Typically she would receive 4 E 25mg

and 3 75mg T pellets. More recently she has been down to 3E and 2T.

The wife is 5' 11' and used to weigh about 190. It made the world of

difference in her life and mine when she was rescued after 1 1/2 years

of suffering.

As I mentioned the max of 20 X 75mg yields 1500mg for 120 days or

12.5/day. It is totally efficient as it all gets consumed by

dissolving gradually into the blood stream. As it is so constant, the

body does not snap into conversion of T to E.

Trouble free and not any more expensive. In fact in Augusta most of

the expense is paid for by medicare unlike other parts of the US much

to my surprise. We travel from uipstate NY to NC for a visit with out

son and make the trip down to Augusta and back in one day.

Did I already mention the web site:

http://www.members.aol.com/gambr999/

Ernie

> > > >

> > > > They say in a lot of articles that I have read that if you have

> high

> > > > E2 Estradiol and you get it down you will have higher levels of

> > > > testosterone on less TRT.

> > > > This was not the case for me before getting my E2 down I would

not

> > > > feel good unless my T levels were over 800 my Dr. would keep

> them at

> > > > 1000. So to do this I would use a Gel now Testim 10 grams a day

> and

> > > > get a shot 200 mgs every other week. When I got my Estradiol

down

> > > > my levels shot way up over what the lab could measure. So we not

> > > > having any experience with this E2 stopped the shots. Then my

> > > > having osteoarthritis in my back and using Vioxx I though all the

> > > > pain I was having was from stopping Vioxx because it was

pulled of

> > > > the market. Boy was I wrong. In the last 2 weeks I have gone

> in to

> > > > my Dr.'s and gotten a 100 mg. shot to see if the pain in my

joints

> > > > and muscles would go away. Will the first shot took 2 days to

work

> > > > and my pain was 50% better for 3 days. Now the pain came back so

> > > > last Wed. I got a nether shot and today I have no pain. So

what is

> > > > it the shots or the levels that cause the pain. Back in the

day if

> > > > I got an infection and my levels went down I would got sore

joints

> > > > and muscles but the pain was not like this. I think that if my

> > > > levels are to low and my being older the pain is higher

because of

> > > > the osteoarthritis getting worse. I asked my Dr. if I could use

> > > > more Testim I am now using 10 grams or 2 tubes he said no I am on

> > > > the highest dose approved by the FDA. So if anyone is doing more

> > > > then 10 grams of Testim or Andorgel please let me know. I am

not

> > > > going to do both and if I am going to do shots my BCBS is

giving me

> > > > a hard time about paying for the script for the shots and

> syringes.

> > > > They say that unless the gel is not working they will not pay for

> > > > the shots.

> > > > Phil

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >