Androgel: 10g - split or all at once?

[Guest guest]

Ok, I have been on 10g of AG split dose. My Dr. told me that it was

a better method as it keeps down the E2 conversion and increased

DHT. However, I have been having sleeping problems, so my doctor is

going to let me try 10g in the morning. I know some of you are doing

the split dose, but don't you eliminate some of the benefits by

taking T and then going to sleep. Wouldn't 10g in the morning

mirror the bodies natural rhythm, i.e. T highest in the morning?

[Guest guest]

HI Tallen

I am on 10g a day single dose and have no problems with it. I think it

is a matter of finding what's best for you.

Excess DHT and/or E2 is not a given. Nor is sleeplessness if you split

the dose.

Nick

> Androgel: 10g - split or all at once?

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> Ok, I have been on 10g of AG split dose. My Dr. told me that it was

> a better method as it keeps down the E2 conversion and increased

> DHT. However, I have been having sleeping problems, so my doctor is

> going to let me try 10g in the morning. I know some of you are doing

> the split dose, but don't you eliminate some of the benefits by

> taking T and then going to sleep. Wouldn't 10g in the morning

> mirror the bodies natural rhythm, i.e. T highest in the morning?

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[Guest guest]

tallen2_34,

For probably at least two years I've split my 10 G dose when Brad, a member

here suggested it.

Regularly at 9:00 PM I take my sleep aid supplements: one Valerian Root,

standardized extract capsule, a Valerian Root, whole herb capsule and two

Sam's Club, Member's Mark benadryl caplets. Nine thirtyish I apply second

five Gms AndroGel. Go to bed 10:30 - 11:30. I lay out on bedside table,

one Valerian Root, standardized extract capsule, a Valerian Root, whole herb

capsule...these I take generally on second piss call. I sleep well!

My guiding factor is to make certain there's five hour interval between

first and second dose application of AndroGel.

For some reason, way I'm wired, no sleep Rx or sleep aid supplement will

work entire night as a singlet. I've done Ambien, Sonata, Trazadone and

Tylenol PM as singlets....I was awake after 3-4 hrs. Being that Valerian

Root is an herb and innocuous...I consider the second dose as overlapping

with pre-bedtime dose.

66 yo

GayMan

OR eon

Androgel: 10g - split or all at once?

Ok, I have been on 10g of AG split dose. My Dr. told me that it was

a better method as it keeps down the E2 conversion and increased

DHT. However, I have been having sleeping problems, so my doctor is

going to let me try 10g in the morning. I know some of you are doing

the split dose, but don't you eliminate some of the benefits by

taking T and then going to sleep. Wouldn't 10g in the morning

mirror the bodies natural rhythm, i.e. T highest in the morning?

[Guest guest]

there's only a small spike in the t-levels for the first hour when you

apply the gels--testim especially soaks into the lipids rapidly and

secretes steadily throughout the day. not sure how that would affect

e2 conversion.

natural circadian rhythems in t-levels are certainly present for

young, healthy men. men around 50-60 years old have remarkably flat t

levels through the day regardless of whether they are hypogonadal or

eugonadal. not sure why, just saw this data presented by an MD named

Andre Guay in Mass. Anyone have data on this?

> Ok, I have been on 10g of AG split dose. My Dr. told me that it was

> a better method as it keeps down the E2 conversion and increased

> DHT. However, I have been having sleeping problems, so my doctor is

> going to let me try 10g in the morning. I know some of you are doing

> the split dose, but don't you eliminate some of the benefits by

> taking T and then going to sleep. Wouldn't 10g in the morning

> mirror the bodies natural rhythm, i.e. T highest in the morning?

[Guest guest]

How about stimulation of the CNS after application? Perhaps my sleep

problems are unrelated to the T application, but I wake up at the

same time almost every night 4:30, it's almost as if something

is " wearing off " , then I wake up. I am now trying 10g in the morning

and seeing if I can sleep better. Tonight is night number 2....

> > Ok, I have been on 10g of AG split dose. My Dr. told me that it

was

> > a better method as it keeps down the E2 conversion and increased

> > DHT. However, I have been having sleeping problems, so my

doctor is

> > going to let me try 10g in the morning. I know some of you are

doing

> > the split dose, but don't you eliminate some of the benefits by

> > taking T and then going to sleep. Wouldn't 10g in the morning

> > mirror the bodies natural rhythm, i.e. T highest in the morning?